SPORTS SUCK!

Fitman2, I'm guessing you won't be returning here again; but just in case you do, I've copied and pasted a message for you (or anyone else who'd be interested) to read from the webpage http://freelinemediaorlando.com/just-the-truth-from-an-alpha-male-daves-take-on-bullying/. I could almost disregard this message (written by a Dave Raith) as a parody, but I'm afraid it's not. The sentiment expressed in this message should explain to you why this website even exists.

[quote]Wah wah wah.
That s the sound of the whiny Geeks who, after being out of high school for 10-plus years, still cry about the unfair treatment they got. OK, so you got picked on, maybe bullied. But you chose your route and those of us who were jocks chose ours.
Being a jock s not easy I should know. But you don t hear us whining because we were jocks.
Geeks have chess practice. We had football, wrestling, weightlifting. I ve never known a wimpy geek to pull a hamstring or get a concussion from a checkmate. When we play a game, we have hours of blood, sweat and tears preparing for it.
Geeks? They study algebra and Quantum Physics.
Now that we re starting on this, it s probably harder being a jock. Practice, weight lifting and we have the possible stress of letting down our team and our school if we lose a game. I ve never seen a stadium or bleachers filled for a school chess match. The only person a geek lets down is himself.
Dude grow a pair. Quit whining. You re not in high school anymore. You took the easy route and got good grades, probably never broke a bone or got a D on a test. So pick up a dumbbell and put some muscles on.
Wimps.
If you get bullied in school, it s generally because of your decision on what you do and who you hang out with. I chose to be a jock.
But I was also a choirboy. Now, tradition tells you that jocks rule the school. They re the winners of popularity contests, everyone knows them, most people like them because of their status and want to be around them just to say they re associated with them.
Choirboys, however, are usually the students who get made fun of, who stay after school to sing Christmas carols and put on concerts to raise money for singing competitions.
But this choir boy was never bullied, I ll tell you that much. I chose to be assertive. I spent hours lifting weights, boxing, sweating, and also spent hours in choir practice.
I carved my path through a mountain with a hammer and chisel, and in turn I wasn t a victim.
Bullying victims are victims of their own laziness, of their own fear. Victims allow themselves to become victims because they fail to assert themselves.
Now granted, some kids are naturally smaller than others. But no one is stopping the small guys from picking up a weight! Don t chose to take the easy, pain-free way, with no sweat. The opportunities are there, you just have to pick what you want. If you want to be popular and good at sports, all it takes is practice.
If you d rather do your algebra homework or play Magic The Gathering and Dungeons and Dragons, that s your choice. But you make the decision as to your path through school. No one is stopping you from playing football, or wrestling, or whatever it is you want nobody except you, that is.
Make your choice, but it s time for you to stop blaming others because you weren t popular.
Quit your crying and pick up a damn football. Start sweating. Work out. Get a sixpack and ask a girl out. Seize the day.
Take the bull by the damn horns.
It s all on you.
Earl

In response to FitShit2:

[quote="Fitman2"]People like Fat Man are the problem with this country, not religion or sports, as he suggests.[/quote]

Sorry, JIMBO, buts sports and religion are a big problem in this country.

Normally, I don't care what religion someone is, as long as they don't force their beliefs on other people. But we have right-wing politicians who wish to insert Creationism into school science textbooks. I have a real problem with that!!! Too many students are appallingly ignorant of science, and the future of our country is in danger because of it. American students score much lower in science, and in reading and math skills than students overseas.

And yes, sports is also a big problem.

Again, normally I wouldn't care if some people like sports, if only sports fans would just enjoy their games without forcing their obsession with sports on other people who don't care for sports. OK???

And again, there is way too much emphases on sports in our schools at the expense of academics. When I was in high school, my science teacher was also the football coach, and he was too busy coaching his team or pre-frontally lobotomized baboons, so instead, he would set up the movie projector and go out of the classroom to coach his team, while we were left sitting in the dark, watching stupid cartoons, when I wanted to study science.

So, I was denied a decent education.

[quote="Fitman2"]If everybody in this country actually WORKED, our economy would be so much better. And sports are a huge industry and generate lots of tax revenue, and are therefore beneficial to the economy.[/quote]

Yeah, I guess since I wasn't allowed to get a decent education, then I guess I just have to settle for bagging groceries at minimum wadge for the rest of my life while some drooling moron makes millions of dollars every year just kicking a football around.

My mother taught me how to read before I even started school, and when I was only in the 3rd grade I could already read at high school and adult level, and of course, science was my favorite subject.

In grade school I had some teachers who were really Gung-Ho when it came to sports. I got suspended from school by the PE coach because I failed to climb a rope in the gymnasium. Never mind that I had a crippled up left knee due to having been in a car accident, and never mind that I was passing all my other academic subjects. Oh no! In the school I attended, sports was more important.

Then I got into an argument with another teacher over an Astronomy book that he would not allow me to check out from the school library. He dragged me out into the hallway, and bashed my head against the corner of a concrete block wall. The following year, that teacher was fired, but the damage was done. Due to the severe concision, I would have headaches and dizzy spells which gradually became less intense during my teenage years. Because of the head trauma, I also suffered emotional and mental problems.

So, yes, sports is a real problem in our schools. Sorry 'bout that!!!

[quote="Fitman2"]For example, he consistently speaks about how much he hates America, all the while this hated country gives him free money.[/quote]

Hey! You sports fans should be very happy that I'm only getting a lousy measly little $650 dollars per month in chump change! Just think, if I had been able to finish my education, I could now be teaching Astronomy or Physics in a University, and then, I would now be getting paid somewhere between $80,000 to $120,000 per year.

But, thanks to me getting my head bashed up against a brick wall, and having been beaten and raped by an older man when I was 17 years old while spending 3 weeks in a state hospital, and getting all fucked up in the head, and having to settle for a small disability pension, well . . .

. . . just think. Instead of making $100,000 dollars per year teaching in college, by allowing me to have my little $650 dollars in chump change, that $100,000 dollars that I would otherwise have made . . .

. . . well . . . that goes to buy a brand new Hummer to be given away FREE to some drooling imbecile who kicks a football around.

So, by getting a lousy little $650 dollars per month, over the years, I must have bought at least 10 brand new Hummer to be given away FREE to professional rapists!

Now, doesn't that make you happy?

Yeah! You're damn straight I hate my fucking country, after having been denied a decent education, and having been bullied around, beaten, and raped!

[quote="Fitman2"]But lazy assholes like Fat Man are the problem, as they take more than they give in.[/quote]

I use to work on oil paintings. I had hopes of being able to sell some of my painting to make some money, and art is a contribution to society, even more so than sports.

But, back in 2001, when I was living in a two bed room apartment, my room mate had his second stroke. It was a real struggle trying to take care of him. As a result of his stroke, he suffered severe memory loss. He didn't know what planet he was on half the time. Then he became paranoid and delusional, and even violent. Yeah, he became a real tyrant. Then one evening he came into my room swinging a machete, and he fractured my left wrist, struck me on my right arms, as as I was going out of the room, he struck me in the back of my head, causing even more head trauma. I now have lousy coordination and balance because if it, and it has left me feeling weak and wobbly, and at risk of falling.

Anyway . . .

After I had been stuck by the machete in three places on my body before I was able to escape, I went down the stairs, out of the apartment building, leaving a trail of blood behind me, and to the corner to a pay phone and dialed 911.

A fire engine, an ambulance, and two police cars arrived on the scene. As I was being strapped down to the gurney, and being lifted into the ambulance, I could see a police officer going into the building with a shotgun.

I was taken to the hospital where I spent three days, and my ex-room-mate was hauled off to the slammer for nine months.

I underwent surgery on my left wrist, and woke up with a cast on my arm, and a stainless steel pin in my wrist. I was in a Hell of a lot of pain! After three weeks, the cast was removed and the steel pin taken out.

But now, my left hand is all crippled up, and will be for the rest of my life. I use to play the guitar, but now, I can't anymore, and I can't even go back to working on my oil paintings, because my left hand is so fucked up! I can just barely sign my name to documents.

So, that's just one more thing taken away from me over the years.

In the meantime, FitShit2 . . . . .

YOU CAN JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

Fat Man - AKA -Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

[quote="Fitman2"]Check my IP address and match it up with Fitman's. The first post was on my laptop from his university. He and I are back in our home town now, so this IP address will be from there. I'm certain he's posted in both areas.[/quote]
I don't know if it's even possible to check the IP address of a visitor who leaves a message in the Guestbook. Perhaps there is a way, but I wouldn't know what it is.

[quote="Fitman2"]I really am his younger brother man.[/quote]
I'll take your word for it. Somehow your second message here in the Guestbook has a convincing ring to it.

[quote="Fitman2"]He told me he's done with this website due to the stupidity that he encounters here.[/quote]
That's okay. This website doesn't exactly have the widest appeal. It's just an isolated corner in the Internet universe. :)

[quote="Fitman2"]He DOES respect you, Earl, ... [/quote]Thanks for telling me that. Seriously. I respect him. As you may already know, we actually agree on a number of issues; and he's shown maturity by exercising restraint in dealing with Fat Man. At least by a certain point in the forum exchanges. And I respect you for being civil.

[quote="Fitman2"]... but it's Fat Man's absolute stupidity that makes him not want to be around this site anymore. I'm quoting him right here "I feel dumber having read some of the things Fat Man has posted." And from what I've read, I have to agree. For example, he consistently speaks about how much he hates America, all the while this hated country gives him free money. If he really hates America, he should move to the Middle East and see how much better it is.[/quote]
Since Fat Man seems to attract a lot of attention to this otherwise obscure website (albeit in the form of negative responses), the site Admin and the forum Admin have decided to change the name of this website. The first choice -- "QuotationsFromChairmanFatMan.org" -- was considered to be too long; so, they decided upon the shorter "FatManSpeaketh.com." Heh, just kiddin'. :mrgreen:

[quote="Fitman2"]People like Fat Man are the problem with this country, not religion or sports, as he suggests.[/quote]
This country, like just about every other one, has many problems. This has always been and probably shall always be true.

[quote="Fitman2"]If everybody in this country actually WORKED, our economy would be so much better. And sports are a huge industry and generate lots of tax revenue, and are therefore beneficial to the economy.[/quote]
I certainly don't deny that sports are a source of a lot of tax revenue. Most of a country's wealth exists not in the form of natural resources, but is created by business enterprise. At least that's my uninformed opinion.

[quote="Fitman2"]But lazy assholes like Fat Man are the problem, as they take more than they give in.[/quote]
I'm afraid people receiving public assistance are not the main cause of our current economic troubles, which really scare me at times. Fat Man's disability is hardly a drop in the bucket. I know next to nothing about economics and have even given up on politics, but the economic mess we're in seems to have been caused by irresponsible policies of certain large financial institutions and runaway spending by our federal government. IMHO, the Iraqi war (which, I'm afraid, may turn out to be another overseas waste of lives and federal tax dollars) doesn't seem to have helped. Let's hope Washington does SOMETHING to inspire confidence on Wall Street and does whatever needs to be done to bring the economy back to life.

Here's season's greetings and a Happy New Year to you and your brother. Tell him I said hi. Good luck to you both.
Earl

Check my IP address and match it up with Fitman's. The first post was on my laptop from his university. He and I are back in our home town now, so this IP address will be from there. I'm certain he's posted in both areas. I really am his younger brother man.
He told me he's done with this website due to the stupidity that he encounters here. He DOES respect you, Earl, but it's Fat Man's absolute stupidity that makes him not want to be around this site anymore. I'm quoting him right here "I feel dumber having read some of the things Fat Man has posted." And from what I've read, I have to agree. For example, he consistently speaks about how much he hates America, all the while this hated country gives him free money. If he really hates America, he should move to the Middle East and see how much better it is.
People like Fat Man are the problem with this country, not religion or sports, as he suggests. If everybody in this country actually WORKED, our economy would be so much better. And sports are a huge industry and generate lots of tax revenue, and are therefore beneficial to the economy. But lazy assholes like Fat Man are the problem, as they take more than they give in.
Fitman2

the anti-sports resistance claims responsibility -break-

http://imgur.com/gallery/4wPhk

another blow struck for freedom!
ASR Political Officer

Well, we haven't heard from Fit Man in the forum; therefore, it's safe to assume that "Fitman2" is a fraud. It's perfectly reasonable to doubt he's even a football player. Perhaps HE'S the nerd without a life. (When I was in high school decades ago, I wasn't a nerd, what with poor study habits and all. :-) )
Earl

By the way, Fitman2, Fit Man and I got along just fine because both of us were willing to be reasonable and listen to the other. In other words, we actually communicated instead of engaging in flaming, which is so depressingly common online. In fact, I have a high opinion of him. (Does that surprise you?) If you really are who you say you are, we'll be hearing from Fit Man soon (in the forum, that is). If not, ...
Earl

Aw, come on, kid. Are you really Fit Man's brother? He didn't mention having one. If you're really Fit Man's brother, ask him to post in the forum now to vouch for your genuineness; that way, we'll know you're not fake. Otherwise, we'll be forced to assume you're just playing a hoax. (It's no big deal; I've done it before, too. :-) ) At this point without confirmation, we have no reason to believe you're even a football player. You could be lying about that, too. I'm not sayint you are lying; I'm just saying we need some verification.

I admit the website has an "in your face" attitude (surprised that I would say that?), but I didn't create it. I don't even like the name "sportssuck." I'm not a hater. How about you? You'd be more than welcome to register for the forum and post there. I'm fair-minded enough. You could be specific in your objections to this website, as opposed to just a broad rant. It would be interesting. You'd even have the opportunity to bash Fat Man. Come on, what do you say? ;)
Earl

This is Fit Man's little brother. He was talking to me about this site, especially about Fat Man. My brother may have been a little too tolerant of Fat Man's rude and disrespectful demeanor, but the way Fat Man treated my brother disgusts me. Even though I'm Fit Man's little brother, I'm still big and strong. I am 6'2" and 210 lbs of all muscle. I'm also captain of the high school football team. Oh, and I'm not "dumb jock". I have a 3.99 GPA (got a B+ in a mandatory art class). I bet that's better than any of you nerds ever did in high school. I've browsed the forums and see that Fat Man is a dropout, yet he tries to claim intellectual superiority. As if! Fat Man is a joke.
Anyways, I'm going to hang out with my 10/10 girlfriend now to celebrate the end of finals for the semester. Have fun staying in while I go out and have a fun evening and actually do something with my life other than sit at a computer screen and complain about sports.
Fitman2

Lol, I didn't even get told about this site, I just found it. Well, It has certainly brightened my hopes, because 5 minutes ago I though I was alone.
Someone Smart

I apologize for being late in my response to the controversy below concerning Robbin. I agree with HugeFan. Divorce is a serious concern. People get divorced for trivial reasons. Regarding sports, I have a "live and let live" attitude. I have no problem with her son watching sports on TV. Personal preferences should be respected. The problem is when personal preferences are not respected. That's been a problem with the sports culture, specifically the negative attitude towards boys who have no interest in sports. I don't believe in being intolerant because more than a few "on the other side" are intolerant. I won't lower myself to their level. If a had a teenage son who wanted to play football in high school, I would support him. However, I would be concerned about the coaching philosophy of the football coaches at his high school; and I would be concerned about the possibility of my son developing the sort of cliquish attitude that seems to be so common in high-school football in the U.S. But if he had strong moral convictions, I would feel confident that he would not betray them. Well, actually, I'd still be wary ...
Earl

I read some of the comments on this site and the most entertaining thing is when the thread is lowered by vitriole from jocks (so called). I do not play video games. I go to the gym, I take care of myself and I have dated women that used to date jocks. The comments are always the same; Neolithic mental processes combined with sub standard sexual performance. I guess all that staring at man ass in the shower is enough?. Jocks/Sports Fans; you're all the same and the franchise owners see you as cattle.
Ryan
Victoria, BC Canada

This site sums it up. I wish I owned a sports franchise so I could make money off these morons. This would make me feel a little better about it. Little being relative. I HATE SPORTS and the FANS. The ones that smoke are the WORST. Breathe in death while watching some overpaid ape running/skating/punching/throwing. Darwin would be vexed.
Ryan
Victoria , BC Canada

Games should be just that - games. They should be played for fun, for physical fitness, for comradery with friends, for a diversion from the serious things we do in life that deserve the attention that is misguidedly devoted to organized (read: for profit, be that collegiate or professional)sports. We teach our children that there is a out to the requirement to acquiring a balanced education or learning a skill that is useful for a lifetime. Sure, they'll argue that taking the shortcut to success will contribute to the economy, but that works only for a few very lucky, and the benefit to our economy can easily be equated to the kind of help gambling, lotteries, and organized crime affords us. In the end, the vast majority of these duped young people emerge from high schhol and/or college with no marketable skills or abilities, so they become the couch potato fans that the owners of the sport teams hope they will become. There is only so much time in our lives, and a senseless devotion to following what amounts to other people's victories and defeats deprives these people of the time they could be using to develop their own abilities. I pity them all - millions of people wasting their lives by playing into the hands of the corporate sponsors that feed on the lemming-like behavior of the typical sports fan.
Rick <rrempes@gmail.com>
Beavercreek, Ohio USA

i simply cannot believe that SPORTS are taking over our world! it's so retarded!
John Malone

I HATE SPORTS!!!!!! Its not that I am unable to play them. I just can't stand how these idiots are idolized for playing!! Billions of dollars are wasted yearly, while our veterans are left out in the cold. These idiots who play these stupid sports should have go get a real job to support our economy!
Chad M. Wilkins <yellowjackpot@yahoo.com>
Lafayette, In USA

Robbin, obviously I don't know anything about your marriage with your husband, but it sounds to me like there really is not any problem with what he is doing involving sports. I personally don't like sports, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying them. And come on, do you seriously that your husband deserves a divorce because he allows his son to watch sports? Most boys have an interest in sports, are you saying that you don't want your son to be allowed to watch sports? That's taking it way too far. If your son has an interest in sports, you should let him watch them, it's not really going to cause any harm. What will harm him though, is sheltering him from harmless, normal things that most boys his age enjoy. You should be concerned if he is forcing your son to watch sports, but letting him watch them is no crime at all.
HugeFanOfBadReligion
Canada

In response to Robbin from Canada:

Yes, I think you should divorce the bum!

You have become a football widow and now you're losing your son to football.

It's a damn shame how football destroys families!
Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

It is a waste of time... and the stupid screaming, yelling, THOSE GD WHISTLES, etc. Really? Why? You think you won the lottery. Grown men & women acting like children - watching over paid idiots who - in Football like to run around in tights & smack each others asses, men on skates chasing an object ( puck ), men using sticks to hit a ball only to run around the field.. yep that takes talent alright. I have no desire to watch, participate, read, or hear any sport! I ABSOLUTELY DETEST SPORTS ! My husband all of a sudden is watching hockey & football - and allowing our son to watch it! One of the reasons I loved my husband in the first place was because he had ZERO interest in sports... now 10 yrs later...???? I foresee a divorce in our future if he soon don't stop! Another Fort McMurray statistic - gggrrrrr, I am completely riled up right now.. only because they are watching men in tights... unless he's turning gay! lmao
Robbin
Canada

Hi from Italy, tonight "my" national soccer team lost against uruguay and i am soo happy!!!, may that fucking social parasects die for a stroke while playing their stupid game. SPORTS SUCK!!!
NIcolo Gasparotto

I have seen sports make many people unlikeable and extremely arrogant, please, end this war of competition! Fuck sports yo
Randy Savage
Houston, TX U.S.A

Good to see another person on here from Arkansas that has found this site.....at least you live in Ft. Smith Michael, I live in FAYETTEVILLE where people care more about football than anything else...
Mike

Magnificent! Thank you!
Michael Marler <mbabblefish@yahoo.com>
Fort Smith, Ark usa

I hate sports and always have, yet I'm extremely agile, strong, work out, etc. I love to ski, back pack, etc. It's the mass competition and waste of money I hate. I do believe that people do it out of some sort of nostalgia that they don't understand themselves, and just to belong. One gets that message from about age 4: "you'd better like sports . . . or else." I firmly believe that the team sports mentality is at the heart of Western culture (growing since Industrial Revolution). It's reached it's behemoth state in current Late Capitalism, which is in it's death throes, in case you haven't noticed. But the sports spectacles keep people from noticing, they keep people mesmerized, distracted, lost without knowing it, and finding refuge in the fact that they "belong" in the lair of the world of team sports. But getting sports fans to see the truth is like asking the Hitler Youth to burn copies of Mein Kampf. Love the site and THANK YOU!!!!!
Matthew Krueger <mkruger@gmail.com>
Berkeley, CA Alameda

I googled "Why do I hate sports?" to see if I was alone in this, and I am not! Yeah!
Beverly <beverly_kaeintz@hotmail.com>
Millbrae, CA

I was pulled up at work today because a pub near me has bought Sky Sports in at a vast expense that could have used on better things like cheaper beer and music. Because I said, fuck this, it's a waste of money, and someone complained, I'm sure my dislike of televised sports could have been the reason. The England football qualifier, the quasi jock rugby matches on Saturday, no way am I going to make myself and my partner suffer these. We're shopping and attending rock pubs instead.
Glenn <glenn.aylett@btinternet.com>
Whitehaven, CA England

FUCK SPORTS!
kareem hinedi <kareem-4th@hotmail.com>

Yeah!!! I'm not alone! I was just wondering how many more football games I will have to endure in this house. It's amazing how everything stops for football. I think of it as the modern gladiator sport.
Stefanie Marschner <marschners@email.phoenix.edu>
Saint Joseph, MICHIGAN United States

Ohhh I am home...I am finally home.....
sigh...it just makes me sad that no matter how many of us are out there(here) it still wont matter. Who appointed morons to run the world anyway?
Nick.C
VIC Australia

I actually had somebody give me crap the other night because I wanted to watch The Emmys instead of football....
Mike

I work at a sports bar and the fans are morons .
Harvey Yandow <yandowharvey3@gmail.com>
PHOENIX, az U.S.A

Love your website!
Geoffrey Bruce <1chef.geoff@gmail.com>
Columbus, OH United States

I played baseball for 16 years, it wasn't until I turned 24 until I critically analyzed my past. All those years consisted of an emotional gamble for a good or bad time. For example, if my team did well and we won the game but I did poorly, it was a so so day. If I personally did well but the team lost, it was also a so so day. The only time it was a great day was when both factors were working simultaneously, which turns out to be less than the odds of winning at the craps table. Little did my parents know the sport they signed me up for would not in fact be a great time for years to come but a struggle towards perfection, competition, winning and loosing. Of those 16 years, I can recall about two dozen memories that stand out in my mind as great times. This is an extraordinary inequality when it comes to enjoyment and defeat. I realize now that the fun aspect of playing was lost long ago, it had turned into a fierce competition (between players and other teams) that the fun which brought me into the sport was now lost and the game now resembled a summer job.

Currently I'm looking at all the other embarrassing traditions and rituals I use to follow like a sheep and wonder what the hell I was thinking: ESPN, team bumper stickers, jerseys, hats, t-shirts, coffee mugs, and on and on... it's insanity!

Another point that really hit home was when I realized all the sports movies I've watched over the years weren't in fact filled with hero underdogs but half happy kids and half miserably disappointed kids: Remember the Titans, Hoosiers, Rudy, etc. They all have a glorified "WE WON WE WON!" attitude but they never look critically at the situation. They never look at the fact the same number of people on the winning side are also on the opposing side, the difference being that the opposing side is now completely miserable and defeated. It reminds me of war to tell you the truth. If the camera is not on the opposing side, who gives a shit about them right? It s really a fucked up way of viewing the world when you think about it.

I ran across a book the other day titled "Everybody Wins: 393 Non-Competitive Games for Young Children," this is what we need in school! Why oh why are we so backwards? :(
Travis <travisvadon@yahoo.com>
Austin, TX United States

Hi everybody, Im from a Sport obsessed Australia, where there is absolutely 0% acceptance, understanding or even knowledge of people not being interested in sport. Sport is huge. Me, I'm not like that all. I prefer more relaxing and enjoyable activities.
Tim

Hi mates of sportssuck! greetings from italy, home of bilions of stupid fucking soccer fans, where the 10/15% of tv programs are dedicated to sports, where a soccer champion is more considered that a nobel prize-winner.

Respect to you all.
Nicolò Gasparotto <sirgaspadapelarol@yahoo.it>
Vercelli, Italy Piemont

Hey Mike!

Yeah, I know what you mean.

The best way to find a date is to check out all the football widows at your local bar during the games.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

However...with football season on the horizon....I can look forward to talking to a lot of georgious women at bars in the next few weeks that are being ignored by there husbands. I always find it HILARIOUS how these idiots are more interested in watching sports on big-screen TV's at bars than paying attention to there obviously bored wives..
Mike

Well, it is that time of the year again here in Fayetteville, AR. Time for the Razorbacks to begin football practice!!!!!...Come watch as the ultra-tough razorbacks go thru their scrimmages, exercises, etc....See what REAL MEN go through. Then, realize that it is 105 degrees outside, and that anybody that is willing to do anything outside in that heat is putting themselves at risk of heat stroke or possibly death. A REAL MAN would stay inside and laugh at the guys trying to prove themeselves in the heatwave inferno that is engulfing middle America right now..
Mike

In response to Stephen from Milwaukee:

I was born in Cloquet Minnesota about 20 miles west of Duluth, and when I was a little kid, my mother and I would ride the train, the Hiawatha Express, from Duluth to Milwaukee to see my grandmother.

Yeah, 95 miles per hour non-stop from Duluth to Milwaukee. Whoooo! Whoooo! Clickity clack, clickity clack along the railroad track all through the night behind the heavy rumbling of the diesel locomotives. Riding a train at night is so freaking cool!!!

I was born in 1951, so I'll be 60 years old this coming September 30.

Milwaukee is a decent sized city with over a half a million people. Isn't there anything else you can do besides sports?

How about taking your kids to a classical music concert, or to a science museum or a planetarium, something educational to stimulate their young minds.

For exercise, well, you can always go out riding bicycles, or put up a basketball hoop in your back yard if sports is what you want to do.

Personally, I hate sports! It sucks!

How about taking your family out to a state park to go camping, fishing, swimming, boating, or hiking on a nature trail. There are plenty of lakes and state parks in the region. I should know, because I once lived in that area.

There are far more interesting things to do besides chasing balls, and your kids will thank you for that.

I can teach a dog to chase a ball.

Fuck that shit!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

I and my kids wanted to just play sports in school but its all about funding for wining champinships so there was no time for us.
Stephen <sloukanis@hotmail.com>
Milwaukee, WI USA

I HATE BASEBALL
Casey
Yjtt, Ririr Rurur

nice site, sports suck

allan blake <allanblake@hushmail.com>

I KNEW IT! Aw, don't worry about it, JIM. It's no big deal. Besides, there's nothing wrong with being a nerd. I consider the word to be a title of honor. I wish that I applied myself academically when I was in high school so that I would have qualified for that honorary designation. I defend nerds just as I defend decent athletes. Besides, the Internet is a wonderful place where you can lose all of your inhibitations (not to mention your temper) and then feel lousy about it afterwards, which I've done about five or six times at more than one forum ever since I as an old fogy discovered the Internet in December of 2008. :lol: So, I've forced myself to lighten up in certain situations. Beats being bitter about it.

Happy 4th!
Earl

..."basement". oops.
JIM

Actually, it's my dad's

jim
JIM

What? My blood pressure's okay. I wasn't even irritated with you. To the contrary, I was amused. I'm delighted that you've shown up. I don't take you seriously, but you're still fun. Sitting behind a computer who knows how many hundreds of miles away, you can say whatever you want because we have no way to check it out. (Frankly, I think you're a nerd living in your mother's basement. Aw, what a worn-out cliche! :lol: ) Like I said, it's fun. In the meantime, I'm quite aware of my own reality: a happily married man who's never gone through a single divorce, a guy who works out at a health club and is slowly but surely building up his physique, the proud father of two young ladies whom you'd undoubtedly lust after (unless you're gay) but whom you'll never meet. Generally content with life. I know I'm not a loser, but what about you? Besides, previously by your own admission you gave me reason to believe that you're just putting us on, anyway. But it really doesn't matter.

All right. That's enough. I want my entertainment, pronto! FAT MAN! Mr. JIM! Now get off your keisters and have at it! I want some laffs.

SEND IN THE CLOWNS! :) :) :) :lol: (I also want smilies.)
Earl

I'll be b'b'cuing with the honey's tomorroo and there ain't gonna be no out of shape, hotdog eating slobs at MY grill-fest. Nothing but smokin', hot, honey-bunnies in hot Summer pants serving BIG JIM his favorite umbrella drinks and thick-azz rib-eye and shrimp kay-bobs! I'll let you go now Earl so you don't get your blood pressure into the red and end up in the ER. See ya 'round losers. LOL

BIG JIM-----WINNING!
JIM

OH NO!

It's Jimbo Bubbah Booey again!

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkk!!!

So, Jimbo!

You think you're some kind of hot shit, because you get TANG from cheap two-bit jersey-chasing penny-sluts who spread their legs apart for a nickle just for the chance to sniff some monkey boy's jock strap!

You're a real pathetic loooooooooooooer!

I seriously doubt that you're getting any TANG!

Not unless it's the powdered instant orange flavored breakfast drink that comes in a jar.

Get your mangy little ass outta here!

Loooooooooooooer!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Besides, I don't drink TANG. ;)
Earl

Rats! I see that my attempt to copy and paste images in the Guestbook has failed. Oh, well ... if you want to look at pictures of those guys, do Google image searches on "brian sims" and "esera tuaolo."
Earl

Arrgghhh! It's YOU again. :lol: (Where are those smilies when you really need them?) How many times do I have to tell you, bubbah? I've been happily married FOR OVER 30 YEARS. This issue of the availability of sex is and has been irrelevant to me for all those years. Incidentally, I didn't "get laid" in high school -- which is actually quite fortunate because my future wife, whom I wouldn't meet for seven years after I had graduated from high school, is BETTER than any of the girls who were at my high school and is certainly FAR BETTER than the shallow social climbers who chased after the football players. Having sex with one of those girls, whom I considered to be repulsive human beings, would have been like "getting it on" with Eva Braun or Ilse Koch.

By the way, get a load of these guys.

[img]http://www.outsports.com/os/images/stories/brian_sims_sideline.jpg[/img]
Brian Sims

[img]http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID21122/images/Esera_Tuaolo_courtesy_of_Esera_Tuaolo.JPG[/img]
Esera Tuaolo

Sims was a college football player who was one of his team's most valued players. Tuaolo is a former professional player who once played in a Super Bowl game. Guess what? They're both gay. Think about it, won't you? :)

Seriously, I'm glad you showed up. I hope you've been taking good care of yourself and have not allowed yourself to become drunk in certain situations that would be disadvantageous or dangerous to you. (There really is such a word as "disadvantageous." I looked it up in the unabridged.) Things have been quite slow in the forum lately; so, you provide some relief from the boredom.

That reminds me ... Where is your friend with whom you love to exchange messages?

FAT MAN, WHERE ARE YOU? MR. JIM HAS RETURNED! YOU GET YOURSELF OVER TO THE GUESTBOOK RIGHT AWAY, YOU HEAR?
Earl

Good point there, Earl. Still, ya'll don't play no ball, ya'll gonna git no TANG!

BABA-BOOEY!!!!
JIM

Hi, Nora. :) I have no problem with amateur sports. The form of recreation that people choose is their choice and none of my business, unless they try to impose it upon those who aren't interested. Those of us who support this website don't follow a party line. I even disagree with a statement or two on the home page. We have different points of view. My problem with the culture associated with certain popular school sports is when it becomes coercive or intolerant in one way or another. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. Unfortunately, those who subscribe to a particular mindset don't subscribe to an attitude of tolerance. Best wishes.
Earl

What do all of you think about amateur sports? I know that the biggest complaint here is that sports take away from programs that desperately need funding, but I'm still curious.
Nora Epinephrine

Thanks for the good words Earl. I'm trying to spread this site to a few folks that I've known over the years that think similarly, we'll see what happens. Thanks for the encouraging words and again, thanks for this awesome site. Whether traffic has slowed or not, it sure is a breath of fresh air, in the sweaty jock strap musky odor that is America. HAHA! -- KarateMan
KarateMan
USA

Hey, KarateMan, I hear you! I deeply appreciate your message. I'm not one of the creators of this website; I just serve as a moderator, such as it is. I want to thank you very much for your comments. I'm a retired, happily married man and father of two. One of the stereotypes of men who have no interest in sports is that we're all sedentary, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm very active physically myself. For several years I've been working with a personal trainer at a local health club on a bodybuilding program three times a week now. I come in once a week to work out by myself, exercising a muscle group not covered by my trainer for the week. On "off days" I usually take an hour-long, brisk, nonstop walk in the neighborhood to help control my blood sugar level. I love bodybuilding! Although I haven't reached my goal yet, I've now got muscular development that I never had when I was a young guy.

The P.E. I was required to take in school from my fourth-grade year through junior high was a waste of time. That was because there was no "physical education" in P.E. It should have been called "M.S." for "Mandatory Sports." There was no training in bodybuilding or exercise programs of any sort. They weren't even mentioned. And they really provided very little instruction in sports themselves. So, when I was required to start taking P.E. ostensibly for the purpose of becoming physically fit (as the boneheaded adults who formulated school policy claimed), I was weak and scrawny. When my very last P.E. class in junior high had mercifully concluded, I was ... weak and scrawny. The real purpose of P.E. was to field football and basketball teams, not to promote physical fitness. This cherished goal could have been accomplished without forcing nonathletic boys to take P.E. Actually, nonathletic boys would have been BETTER OFF if they had NOT been required to take a course that did them no good. I'm sick and tired of all the unthinking people who claim that without sports, everyone would be out of shape. Incidentally, one of our infrequent members (namely, SEAL76) is a Navy SEAL combat veteran who got into shape WITHOUT participating in sports.

I'm not a hater of people; I have a "live and let live" attitude and try to respect others. I even have several close friends who played football in high school. But the overemphasis on sports in our society is truly astounding.

You caught us at a bad time. The forum is next to dead, possibly because of the beginning of the summer.

Again, thanks for your message! It's certainly encouraging to me as a nonathletic guy who's physically active. No, there's nothing wrong with you; and you're certainly not alone.

By the way, congratulations on your own fitness achievements; and I hope you get your black belt in Shotokan Karate soon. :)

Earl

First off, let me say, thank you very much for putting this website up. I haven't had a good solid laugh with a group of individuals that share a common thread in quite a long time. I was beginning to think that something was wrong with me mentally. I'm about to turn 28 years old. I have my black belt in Taekwondo, and have just started my strive for getting my black belt in Shotokan Karate. I have been physically fit for quite a long portion of my life. But I indeed hate televised sports. I hate football/baseball/hockey/golf, and anything else regurgitated on the TV. Hell I don't even watch TV that much anymore because of my rigid workout schedule along with martial arts classes.

I don't understand how a group of beer bellied fatties can sit infront of a TV, and eat thousands of calories of junk food and trans fats, and then muster up the nerve to call us sports haters "jealous" because we weren't good athletes. I just smile back and quote the following "yeah, when was the last time you were in the shower and looked straight down and were actually able to see your penis?" This normally will get a rise out of any half drunken genetic degenerate, which is okay by me, because as much as they spout off diarhea of the mouth about what they think is a logical assertion, when the rubber hits the road, I can out run them, out lift them, and if I actually had to, beat the living shit out of them.

I don't understand why they scream at the TV, frothing at the mouth, when some dumbass with an IQ of a tomato plant couldn't run the oddly shaped ball 10 yards. They (sports watchers) don't even realize that the players on that field don't give 2 shits about the fans, they don't care if they show up to the stands, or watch at home, they make millions and millions of dollars every year. They whore themselves out to whatever team will pay them the most money, just to be involved in simulated car accidents for 2-3 hours per game. I seriously don't understand it, but I can try and draw some correlations, or at least some theory threads as to why all sports fans are stupid and degenerates.

#1 - We as a human species should be combining our efforts and our brains to explore space as a human race, and start to colonize space. We CANNOT do that if we are all working dead end jobs from 9-5 that put us in the grave. There is no more retirement money, our economy is failing. Well I say let it fail, let's start a new currency that rewards individual creative thought on the merit of technology and advancing the human race. NOT how much money you can shove in your pockets so you can sit at home with a giant pile of nachos in your lap and a 64 oz beer mug filled with the most disgusting of substances (i can't stand beer, i'll do some shots of whiskey or have a glass of wine every once in a while, but beer smells like shit, tastes like shit, and is terribly unhealthy for you (anyone)).

I've been an engineer for several software companies and a few big wig companies (wells), and I can tell you that dumbasses are everywhere, there isn't a conference call that I get on with 20+ people where the topic of last nights (insert idiotic sport here)game doens't come up, or is at least mentioned. And then to top it off, a majority of these clowns talk like if they were actually running the team, they could do it better. Again, just mention the penis reference and that usually shuts them up.

#2 - IQ's are lower than whale shit -- Seriously, I believe that 99.5% of the world's population have IQ's that even a dolphin could beat. I am a firm believer that professional sports, paired with commercial TV, stupid sports speculation TV shows (ESPN late night), as well as dancing with teh starts, and american idol, were designed to actually dumb people down. yeah yeah yeah, sounds like a conspiracy theory, but is it really just a theory when we are all harassed everyday at work by having to listen to idiots drone on about some dumbass college basketball team. Dude, who gives a shit, those are KIDS out there, they barely even have chest and armpit hair, why do you care so much about something that doesn't even have a positive outlook on your own little "life."? Pick up a damned book, read and epic novel, do research on the internet about ancient history, go outside and run for a few miles, enjoy some music, pick up a guitar and learn a few songs and get good at it, learn a martial art, do something besides sit on your fat ass all day long, watching your IQ level plummit like the DOW and froth at the mouth and pretend that you are athletic because you "watch" your favorite team play some idiotic game of who can touch the ball the most. I'm no homophobe, but the above sentence certainly sounds homosexual to me.

When you combine the above information, the picture starts to become clear for those of us who know better than to subject our minds to something that will literally make it stop working correctly. It's a giant sham to get us to stop paying attention to what is really going on in this world. Stop paying attention to important politics that actually has an effect on our children's lives. Just like a magician, "oh look at my right hand, while i steal your wallet with my left hand!"

My rant is over... But seriously, thank you for this website! -- KarateMan
KarateMan
USA

The thing I hate most about sports is the way sports fans expect the rest of us to pay for their choice of entertainment through confiscatory taxation. No I do NOT want to build the Rays another baseball stadium...we just spent billions on the nearly new one you have. No I do not want to build the Buccaneers a new football palace. This will be the third one we built to your specifications and we still have not paid off the municipal bonds from the FIRST stadium. No I do not feel a sense of civic pride that a bunch of neanderthals gather weekly to bust heads while their "fans" clog traffic lanes. Seriously, if you are going to buy facilities for ONE entertainement business with tax dollars why not buy facilities for ALL of them (equal application of the law). I am willing to bet that Joe Redner's Mons Venus nudie bar would welcome a multibillion dollar venue be built for his "sport franchise".
mbarnett
SAINT PETERSBURG, fl

Mike, I am very sorry that you had to undergo open heart surgery. You have a greater appreciation than most of the need to not waste time. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in finding complete fulfillment in your life.
Earl

After recovering from open heart surgery....I now have a new lease on life, and that is I do not want to waste it on anything. There is nothing more wasteful than sitting on your ass all afternoon and watching football...
Mike

Hey, kid ... My wife of over 30 years laughed when I read your comment to her about the "kissless" 50-year-old virgins. Laughable stereotyping, a sign of intellectual laziness. Surprise, but I'm not even interested in computer games. I've been working out at a health club for over two years. I've even hired a personal trainer, who works with me on a bodybuilding program. I'm the proud father of two fine young women, both of whom would avoid you like the plague (assuming that you're still not in junior high).

I wonder where you will be when you're 50 years old. You'll probably be single yourself (or divorced, rather). Your apparent shallowness and view of young women as being nothing more than sex objects are bound to wreck havoc in your personal life over the long haul. (Joe Ehrmann would agree with me. Ever hear of him?) Perhaps three failed marriages and three divorces are in your future. I've seen it happen over the years to guys just like you.

Your "hit and run" message here sends a really negative message about you. (See above.) You've already discredited yourself. A secure sports fan wouldn't even bother with this website, being as small and unpopular as it is. But your hysterical reaction only proves how insecure you really are. Seeking to build up your ego by surfing the Internet? If you had the courage of your convictions, you would register and post in the forum of this website. Sincere critics of this website (as opposed to trolls) have been allowed to post their objections for as long as they wanted; and sometimes they've even been defended by members on the other side, so to speak. Perhaps we could have an interesting exchange, even one that would surprise you. But I doubt you have the maturity that would lead you in that direction. Actually, I doubt we'll ever hear from you again.

Earl

You guys are the fucking worst. 50 year old kissless virgins' opinions kind of hold not a lot of weight. Looking at this site just shows the kind of people that hate sports and kind of defeats its own purpose. Lol.
the guy whos fucking your dream woman

God isn't real
hi im atheist

HEY NICK, YOU LITTLE PRICK!!!

DO YOU REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION WE HAD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT WINDOWS XP AND WINDOWS 7?

I REMEMBER THAT YOU SAID THAT WINDOWS 7 IS A WAY BETTER PROGRAM THAN WINDOWS XP!

NO! WINDOWS 7 ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!

I CAN'T RUN GOOGLE EARTH ON WINDOWS 7 AND I CANT USE MY .GIF ANIMATOR ON WINDOWS 7 AND THE NEW MICROSOFT PAINT SUCKS! IT SHOULD BE CALLED MICROSOFT CRAYONS OR MICROSOFT SCRIBBLE!

ALSO, MY BROWSER LOCKS UP, AND THEN I HAVE TO SHUT DOWN AND REBOOT. THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS I COULD DO WITH WINDOWS XP THAT I CAN'T DO ON WINDOWS 7 ANYMORE!

ANYBODY WHO SAYS WINDOWS 7 IS BETTER THAN WINDOWS XP DESERVES TO DIE A HORRIBLE AND VIOLENT DEATH!

SO, HERE IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO!

I WANT YOU TO GET A GUN, STICK IT IN YOUR MOUTH, PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER, AND BLOW YOUR SHIT-FOR-BRAINS OUT!!!

OK???

FUCK YOU!

NOW GO DIE!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

sport? HAH. a joke i say.
The goverment shuvel out BILLIONS on sport equipment and HUGE halls when the money could be going to staffing and our childrens education.
christopher wales <chriswales13@hotmail.co.uk>
Edinburgh, Scotland

*Ahem*

Gentlemen, please...

...Carry on. ;)
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Hello HugeFanOfBadReligion:

Don't worry about the rape charge.

The worst that could possibly happen would be a slap on the wrist.

Most likely, you'll get a pat on the back from your coach, and a brand new car for free!

Of course it won't be a Hummer, since you're only a high school quarterback.

But you'll probably make it into the pros, then you'll get 10 million dollars every year, and a brand new Hummer every year for free!

And you get to park your Hummer all day long in a 15 minute parking zone, and never have to worry about getting it towed away, and not even a parking ticket.

You will be able to claim every man's sister or daughter as your own private property, and keep her barefoot and chained to the kitchen stove.

It's doesn't get better than than!

Way to go!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey guys, I hope you don't mind, but I won't be able to watch the game with you guys tomorrow. I have to show up at court because I've been charged with rape, but don't worry, I'm the quarterback of my school's football team so there's no way they will actually punish me for it. I'll be sure to record the game anyway so I can watch it later.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Hey ChrisOH!

Yeah, the party is still on!

But since I only live in a single-axle trailer home, I'll have to set up the TV on the patio outside with some lawn chairs. Not enough room for everybody inside. OK?

Hope you won't mind watching the game on an old black & white TV set with a coat hanger antenna.

Yeah! There will be plenty of Buckhorn beer for everyone!

Don't ya worry none about that!

OK?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Why yes, Zak, this site is obviously nothing more than a joke -- I mean, people not liking SPORTS??? Who'd take something like that was true?

By the way, Fat Man, is the party still on at your place this Sunday? Thought we'd turn on the big screen, crack open a few Buckhorn brewskis, and watch them Dawgz kick some ass!

I can't wait! ;)
ChrisOH

Hello again Zak!

I forgot to mention in my previous post, I'm really a moron with a single digit IQ that is less than my shoe size.

In fact, I can't read or write at all!

So, I really didn't type these guestbook posts.

Instead, I use voice recognition software. I speak into a microphone and my computer prints out in text what I'm saying.

I'm able to afford the most sophisticated software because I made millions playing football after dropping out of high school.

Also, I get a brand new Hummer every year, for free!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

OK Zak!

I guess the jig is up!

Yeah, we're really all sports fans here pretending to hate sports. This forum is a satire.

When I was a little kid, I didn't sleep with a Teddy bear. No, Instead, I went to bed hugging a football!

I watch football on TV every Sunday and I get drunk, and really pissed off when my favorite team loses a game.

I use to have a cat, but one day, I got so fucking pissed off after my favorite team lost, I kicked my cat, and the poor thing when flying through my 6th floor window.

Oh! And you should see my collection of football jerseys and posters of famous football players.

Now you know!

Yeah! You got us all pegged!

The jig is up!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Yes, zak, this site is 100% satire. We all love sports, and in fact, every active member of this site gets together on the weekend to watch the game. You'd be impressed by Fat Man's collection of rare sports related articles. I can't see why you would even have to question whether or not we are being sarcastic in the first place, I mean, it's not as if anyone doesn't have an interest in sports.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Life is full of mystery. ;)
Earl

I can't tell if this site is being sarcastic or not, and half of your articles seems like they were taken from the world of Breakfast Club or something.
zak <zakarydavis69@hotmail.com>
Savannah, GA

I finally found some community that agrees with me,the most terrible thing in this society is that so called professional sportsmen are being glorified as heroes.Keep up the good work.
Armagedon
Belgrade, Serbia

Hey Nick!

Remember my earlier post?

In response to Nick:

Quote:
"Hey Fat Man... I'm a catholic and I noticed you're spending a lot of time calling us baby fuckers... I'd just like to say that you're incorrect. . . etc. etc.
End Quote:

Well, check out this YouTube video by Pat Condell.

Catholic morality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStcajxvb_E&NR;=1

But in case you happen to be sitting in your little single-axle trailer home and still using an old text browser with the amber screen . . . well . . .

. . . here is a transcript of said video.

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While not content with trying to force religion into the European Constitution, now the Catholic church is interfering into British politics. This week a Cardinal and an Arch Bishop have both threatened to with-hold Communion from Catholics who don't vote against abortion. Personally I always thought that it was a shame that the Virgin Mary never had a right to choose because then, we might have been spared 2000 years misery and bloodshed.

But it wasn't to be, and so, for Catholics, abortion has always been a tricky one, especially if you're using a knitting needle in a back alley which is the Catholic Churches preferred method. Because when it comes to Catholic dogma, human life is only scared if you obey the rules. Hence, no condoms for Africa! We don't want those people doing anything immoral, so we're just going to let them die! This is supposedly from an organization founded on the teachings of Jesus.

I'm not sure what teachings exactly, it must be the bit where Jesus talks about living in palaces full of art treasures, protecting pedophiles and collaborating with the Nazis. I haven't actually managed to find that passage myself but I'm sure it must be in the Gospel somewhere. And this is why I wasn't too surprised when I first heard the current Pope is in fact, an ex-Nazi, because to me, the Catholic church and Nazism go together naturally as Bibles and lynch mobs.

If you think of one, it's not difficult to think of the other. Indeed, I often thought that it was just bad luck for the Catholic church that Nazism never became respectable because they put all their chips on the number of the beast, but it just didn't happen for them, although the pope who actually collaborated with Hitler by ignoring the Holocaust is now being made a Saint for his trouble.

That's right! Pious XII is being made a Saint which is going to be the cheekiest thing I have heard since Henry Kissinger had the nerve to accept the Nobel Peace Prize.

I'm not sure why the Catholic church exudes this aura of, not so much evil, as . . . well, actually yes, evil! I think this whole celibacy thing has a whole lot to answer for because there's got to be so much repressed energy there with nowhere to go, I mean, that's bound to cause a few short circuits.

I can understand someone being celibate if that's how they're comfortable, but if you're doing it as a penance, denying your most powerful basic urges because you think that God is going to be pleased with you, well then, I think you should see a doctor, because those inner demons that you're struggling with so manfully are really nothing that a $20 dollar whore couldn't put right in a couple of minutes.

But of course you couldn't do that, because that would be sinful. Much better to insert your penis into a choir boy, and then carry on lecturing dying Africans on sexual abstinence. If any Cardinals or Bishops are watching this video, then let me ask you a question on a theological level. Is it more of a sin for a priest to rape a child while wearing a condom, or not wearing one? How much more evil is it to wear the condom? And would it be OK, i. e. would you keep quiet about it if he went to confession afterwards and truly repented? Until the next time?

The Catholic church has lost so much money on this scandal. They must be down to their last few billion by now. If you were Pope, wouldn't it make sense to try to add up all the sex abuse that's being committed so far, and then add up all the money that's being paid out in compensation? And then you might be able to work out exactly how much the church is paying for, say, one blow job, and whether it might be more economical to buy the same product from a professional sex worker. That way, you will be helping to employ somebody in a legitimate occupation, certainly more legitimate than the one yours is! Your Holiness, Your Eminence, Your Grace.

A little word of advice.

Clean your own stain glass windows before you start cleaning everybody else's and then, people might take you a little bit more seriously.

Peace.
--------------------

Yeah! I like this Pat Condell.

He's good!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Samdaman2 = Earl

APRIL FOOLS! :) LOL
Earl

Come and get me Samdaman2!!!

I may be crippled up with arthritis in my knees and ankles, but I can still kick you fucking ass up between your shoulder blades!

I'll kick your can so hard up into your skull you'll need to take off your hat to have your shoes shined!

I'll let you have it across your teeth with my cane and send your lower jaw swing around to the back of your neck and for the rest of your fucking pathetic little life you'll have to suck mush through a straw!

So, you play football! Eh?

Oh! Like I'm so impressed!

I'm especially impressed by your single digit IQ which is greatly exceeded by your shoe size!

Yeah! Come and get me!

Ya loooooooooooooser!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

NERDS!!!

So you guys think Samdaman gave you a hard time. Well, I've got news for you. You ain't seen nothin yet. You didn't know Samdaman has a little brother. But I ain't little, ya wimps. I'm a tough homber just like my big brother. I'm goin to the high school where he played football. I have followed in his foot steps. I'm six foot six and I weigh 237 pounds.

I can't believe this fat guy in your forum. My brother woulda cleaned his clock. Michael Savage's my man, and he ain't no wiener. He says all fatties should be put in detention camps and FORCED to slim down. Yeah, that's what should be done to your Fat Man and all the other fatsos.

And this Earl what a joke! Sounds like a sissy Sunday school teacher. He won't cuss, eh? What a wimp and loser! So what if he works out? Me and my big brother are gonna beat him up some day.

And the rest of you sports h8terz here, you re just a bunch of nerds!

Yeah, I'm gonna get you pretties and your little dogs, too! You think you can get away with treating my big brother like that? Well, you're in a world of hurt. You got something comin to you. I'm gonna bring your crummy website down. How dare you fags make fun of sports! I'm gonna get you nerds!

I've got friends. We're gonna crash your lousy website. My brother didn't know about 4chan. Well, I do. And I also know some traitor nerds who will do what they have to do to find out where all you punks live.

And let me tell you, i_like_1981 and Skul, I may be in the US, but I got online friends in the UK. Someday some guys are gonna walk up to you, and the words you'll hear when you're stuffed into the nearest locker or garbage can will be "Samdaman sent us."

Yeah, we're gonna get all you nerds. Be seein' ya.

Just call me
Samdaman2

In response to Nick:

Quote:
"Hey Fat Man... I'm a catholic and I noticed you're spending a lot of time calling us baby fuckers... I'd just like to say that you're incorrect. My little brother is 4 (almost 5) and I'm happy to say he has not been fucked once in his short life!"
End Quote:

Not yet anyway!

If I were you, I'd leave the Catholic Church and you should get your little brother out of there! Like, pronto!!!

Those pedophile priests and butt-banging bishops just can't keep their rockets in their pockets!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Sup you guys?

Haven't talked to you in a while. How's it goin' Fat Man? Earl?

Hey Fat Man... I'm a catholic and I noticed you're spending a lot of time calling us baby fuckers... I'd just like to say that you're incorrect. My little brother is 4 (almost 5) and I'm happy to say he has not been fucked once in his short life! :D

Also, how's it going, the rest of you? I'm doing well, myself. Another fun fact-- I found out that I'm just about the only Nick Trano on the internet. Google image me, the first five images are avatars I've used. Google search, and my facebook and a ton of other stuff comes up. Pretty cool, no? I'm so unique!

TA TA NOW!
Nick Trano
MA United States

Good evening HM from Canada:

Yeah, I know what you mean!

I live in the USA, but I can't be a citizen. I'm considered a non-citizen, or un-American or a Commie because I don't like football.

I'm surprised I haven't wound up in Gitmo yet!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey, from Canada! :D

I'm Canadian and I hate sports... Recently, someone said "You can't be Canadian if you don't like hockey"... I laughed it off, because they are such morons.
HM <purely_skittles@hotmail.com>
Canada

guy, please feel free to register and post in the forum. You have the opportunity to refute any comment with which you disagree. We don't all think alike. Fat Man doesn't speak for all of us on every single issue. He has been contradicted by members on certain occasions and was even temporarily banned once (for a 24-hour period). I probably agree with you on this particular issue, although I've not paid attention to the details of this particular dispute.
Earl

I was reading your labor dispute thread and that Fat Man guy has no idea what he's talking about. He was kindly told tht he wa wrong and resorted to "AKJFAHKJHSFL I DONT FUCKING CARE ALKSJHCL" What an ignorant asswipe! So much for "we aren't intolerant people".
guy

good to know i'm not alone
harold <haroldkimpel@gmail.com>

Just thank god. I now know I'm not the only one who thinks sports are retarded. Almost 95% of my family loves them. It's tough, but I'll make it. :'(
Thanks again for the fantastic website.
Jakob L.

Cool site! I don't hate sports per se (I watch the local pro teams, and I like NFL in general), but I hate sports talk shows and I can't stand guys that are all-sports-all-the-time, and spend almost all of their free time following sports. Unfortunately, that's what about 90% of guys are like here in the armpit of America, otherwise known as Boston. At least I know I'm not the only normal male that isn't completely sports obsessed.
I hate stats junkies
Boston, MA USA

DEATH TO SPORTS! HAIL EDUCATION!
Max Miller <mcmrocks@gmail.com>
Naramata, BC Canada

Hello again Nick, you little prick!

Well, now I have some bad new for you.

Our anti-sports forum is back up and running again. It was down for several hours, but now WE'RE BAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!

So, now you can just sit there in your single axle trailer home, shit in your pants, and cry boo hoo in your Buckhorn!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey Nick you little prick!

You'll be happy to know that our anti-sports forum is down, so we are not able to express our opinions.

Does that make you happy?

Well, I have an opinion I'm going to express right here and right now!

Like all sports fans, you're a scum-bag piece of dog-shit!

Now, go die!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

(continuation of the message below)

Nick, Fat Man thinks you're out to get him. Hence, the distrust.
Earl

Congratulations, Nick.

"(Furries basically are sexually aroused by pictures of animals shaped like humans.)" You're kidding, right? What was the name of that John Lennon song? Oh, yeah ... "Whatever Gets You Through the Night." :lol:
Earl

I've won a victory, my friends. The furries were routed!

This is only the start of a long, hard battle for internet freedom, however.

(Furries basically are sexually aroused by pictures of animals shaped like humans.)

Anyways, good for Fat Man. I honestly don't see why he doesn't trust me. :D

Fat Man, do -you- enjoy flaming me? I enjoyed flaming you. :)
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

fuck the superbowl!!!!!!1
john smith <sjs4g63@hotmail.com>
bogota, nj u.s.a

Good evening Earl:

Yeah, funny you should mention the E-mail exchange between me and Pastor Richard Butler of Aryan Nations.

That was back in 2001, shortly after the 911 incident. I went to his web site out of curiosity, and I could see right away all the anti-Semitic crap and anti-black stuff on his home page.

So, I thought it would be fun to have a little E-mail exchange and I told him what I thought of his web site and what I thought of Aryan Nations.

Yeah, be both actually had fun exchanging insults back and forth. I would call him Pastor Richard Butt-lick instead of Butler.

And then he sent me a FREE subscription to his weekly Newsletter.

I thought it was all bullshit, but what the Hell, it was a free gift.

After he died, I really missed the exchanges we had going back and forth to see who could come up with best insult, the best slam.

Needless to say, try as he might, he couldn't top me!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Another message for Nick (How amusing this is): I think the main reason why you and Fat Man could not become friends at this time is because he's understandably suspicious of you. Also, you need to remember (to borrow a tired, old cliche) that Fat Man's bark is far worse than his bite. He also loves to -rant- and exchange insults. Here's an interesting story about Fat Man that you might enjoy: He once had a series of online exchanges with one of this country's leading white supremacists, Richard Girnt Butler (founder and leader of the Aryan Nations, now deceased). The two of them kept exchanging insults. (Fat Man started it. Now, if it had been me, I never would have even visited Butler's website. Why should I read something that would cause me to become needlessly upset? What am I saying? I've done that, anyway.) This went on and on. Fat Man believes that Butler enjoyed this little contest; and I think he did, too. They both enjoyed it. He actually gave Fat Man a -free- subscription to his online newsletter or whatever it was (which, by the way, is not something that I would have wanted to receive). You see, Fat Man -enjoys- flaming.

I hesitate to ask about "their disgusting fetish" because I know absolutely nothing about the Minecraft Forums, nor am I interested. (Well, you -could- tell me about them if you really wanted.) I'm just an old fogy (but my daughters and wife love me :) ). Well, I look a lot younger than my age; and I work out at a health club. Ironically, I'm beginning to look like a jock; but the rate of progress is rather slow.

"As you can see, that is far more injustice (yet not entirely different from these forums) than I have seen to date." No, Nick, I cannot see because I'm just an old fogy who's out of touch, lol. What specifically is this injustice you're talking about? If it's what I -think- it is, I would have to offer this reaction: -Aw, now you've gone and hurt my feelings.- :cry: (Where are those Smilies when you really need them?) If you want to tell Uncle Earl what these injustices are, please feel free to do so; but only if you -want- to.

Sincerely, stay well; and stay out of trouble!
Earl

I have a feeling that Fat Man would not be particularly open to friendship.

I've been a bit sporadic in my replies, as I've been fighting a (internet srs bsns) battle for freedom from the Furry upper class on the Minecraft Forums. They ban anyone who speaks against their disgusting fetish. As you can see, that is far more injustice (yet not entirely different from these forums) than I have seen to date.

Anyways, Fat Man is also quite fun to converse with. It's just that he needs to tone down his death threats and homo-eroticism a tad.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Okay, I shall stop acting silly and stop the clowning around; and I shall also assume that you're sincere in your claim that you want to cure Fat Man of his hate. That's far, far easier said than done. First of all, he doesn't trust you. I'm not saying whether he should or not; I'm just saying that he doesn't trust you. What Fat Man needs is professional help, which is something neither of us is qualified to give. He was seeing a therapist; but if my memory serves me right, he's no longer doing that. He's also in need of spiritual counsel, which I'm afraid he'd not be willing to accept. I also don't think that you or anyone else has the ability to cure him in a series of messages publicly posted at a website. I just don't think that would work. You're welcome to post here as long as you please, but I don't think you'd get anywhere with him. Perhaps corresponding with him privately via e-mail would provide a better opportunity since neither your ego nor his would be put on the line in a public exchange. (HINT: If you scroll down this guestbook webpage, you'll find Fat Man's e-mail address.) Again, there's the trust factor (or the lack thereof). In other words, you'd have to actually become a -friend- of his to have any hope of changing him. And not only is there a trust problem, but there's also the age difference that might get in the way of forming a friendship. Again, far easier said than done. At least that's my take, my two cents' worth.
Earl

I'm trying to cure Fat Man of his hate, of course.

*Smiles from ear to ear with an angel halo above my head*
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Hey, folks, the question of the hour is this: Nick, why are you trying to speak to Fat Man so much when it seems to get you nowhere? What is your motive? Do you want to be a -friend- to Fat Man *halo instantly appears over your head*, or are you just trying to give him a hard time *two little horns sprout out of your head just above your forehead, and you also instantly find yourself the proud possessor of a forkedeth tail*? Since not much is going on in the forum (Is our forum dying? :( ), I thought that I should offer this profound question for consideration. Well, folks, what IS the answer? Inquiring minds want to know.

Now, Fat Man, I don't want you to feel excluded from this amusing little exercise. Please feel free to answer this vexing question so that we can be sure that there is maximum participation in this thought-provoking exchange.

In other words ... SEND IN THE CLOWNS! I WANNA LAFF!

(Actually, I'm also being serious. I guess that makes me schizophrenic. Why do you think I always talk to myself? As Chucky the doll says (or does he?), "Hidy ho!" (And, no, I don't think he's speaking to a young woman of ill repute.) Bye. :)
Earl

Hey Nick!!!

Blow it out your shawn-gal-la'zay!!!

OK???
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

When I said, 'and why can't you be unreasonable,' I meant, 'and why can't you be -reasonable-'.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And also, why do you assume that people who visit 4Chan drink this 'buckhorn beer' you continuously rant about?

If you want to say a bad brand of beer, say 'natural ice', which is a brand that is actually known to be horrible. If you want to sound hip and edgy and cool (which is why I assume you spend all your time hating other religions) you can call it 'natty ice'.

Happy?

Seriously, why can't we be bros and why can't you be unreasonable Fat Man? I've been remarkably friendly given your intolerance and rude comments.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Fat Man, why do you feel the need to lump me in with 4chan? Because I visit a site I'm part of a hive mind? I find this interesting, that you believe that if I visit 4chan, I think the exact same thoughts, and carry out the exact same actions as all other (millions of) visitors. I'm willing to bet you've only visited /b/, where the point is to be random. (It's in the name, seriously. Are you even trying?) Well thought out posts are there. However, humor is more important. If you read some of the more thought oriented boards such as /lit/ and /tv/ (They even talk about that god-awful show Star Trek. What is the fascination with that show?) I'm even more interested, because you don't seem to think that everyone on -this- site hiveminds.

I also find it interesting that you seem to care so much for 'kids these days' (Also known as straw men... or childen). Yet, at the same time, if you don't like a child, usually because they had a better childhood than yours, or speak to you like an equal, they deserve to die.

I also wonder why you alternate between talking about how clever and smart I am, to other members, and calling me an idiot when you're talking to me directly. What gives there?

You also know that no one cares about this site anymore, and I am staying here out of personal interest, right? The worst damage I've done to your site is to post your rants in rage threads. A rage thread is a thread where you post infuriatingly ignorant things that people say or do. An example is a 'gurrl gaymurr' who thinks she is hardcore when the extent of her experience is COD with a .5 K/D ratio (that's really bad), or you ranting about your computer troubles, which was quite silly in that when offered help, you did the typical old person thing and said, 'You're too young I don't care if you told me the right thing or not go to hell raaaaaaaaaage!!!'

Fat Man, in all honesty, I have rarely initiated any sort of argument with you. Nearly every time, you have insulted me first. Look back on your logs, and search your heart. You know it to be true.

I also wonder why you seem to think Star Trek is superior to football. Star Trek is a sub-par science fiction show that tries to seem deep and thoughtful by making their alien worlds unoriginal and copied from Earth. Football is a game of strategy, Star Trek is a show about terrible acting and pseudoscience. (I was working on a school project, and my father was watching the show. 'WE HAVE TO SLINGSHOT AROUND THE SUN AT WARP TEN TO GO FORWARD IN TIME!' ...you call that good television? I'd almost rather watch football, but there's no bad acting to make fun of in football.

I'd also like to know why you hate sports but not video games. After all, many video game scoring mechanisms are similar to football. K/D is similar to RBI in baseball, average time alive is similar to yards run with the ball (I forget the term) in football. Etc. etc. What are your thoughts on that?

(Also, tell the Imperialist for me, Anime is horrible and North Korea is evil. I'm doing a project on North Korea, and that place is -screwed up-.)

Kthxbai.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I don't think any of the 4chan trolls are interested (at this point in time) in what goes on in the forum of this website. The novelty has worn off.
Earl

Hello Earl:

Yeah, I know Nick had nothing to do with it. He's not smart enough to do a hack job on a web site.

I just though that he would be thrilled by the news of our web sited being down for several hours, so that he and all his zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan could enjoy a good laugh at our expense.

But now, they can piss in their pantaloons and cry boo hoo in their Buckhorn now that our web site is back up again.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Fat Man, we were just having trouble with the server. Ray checked it out. Nick had nothing to do with it.
Earl

OK, Nick!

Bad news! For you and your zoo-tramp butt-buddies, that is!

But good news for me! HA! HA!

After 7 hours, the forum is finally back up again.

Just though I'd let you know so you can cry boo hoo in your Buckhorn and piss in your pantaloons!

Now, go dunk your head in the toilet three times and only take it out twice!

Another words . . . . .

GO DIE!!!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey Nick, you low-life sanctimonious scum-bag piece of dog shit!

I believe that you, and all your zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan will be very happy to hear that for the past 5 hours, our anti-sports forum has been down.

We are no longer able to post our opinions!

Dose that make you happy? You piece of shit!!!

Now you and all your butt-buddies can have a real good laugh!

Yeah! Fat Man can't post his political opinions in the OFF Topic sections. I can't post any more science articles on astronomy or on evolution anymore until they fix the problem.

And who knows how long that's going to take! Eh?

So, all those drooling knuckle dragging slack-jawed mouth-breathing retards at 4chan, they can still express their moronic opinions in one-syllable words and in sentences of 5 words or less in their shitty little Kindergarten Romper Room forums.

Yeah! Now only those retarded imbeciles at 4chan and express themselves.

But we, at Sports Suck, we can't express our opinions!

I hope you and all your Nazi butties are real happy!

You all deserve to fucking DIE!

Every football player, every damn jock, deserves to have his own Hummer parked on his neck!!!

And all you redneck trailer trash sports fans deserve to have your balls crushed in a vice and to be beaten to death with sledge hammers to the head.

You got that? JIMBO!

NOW, GO EAT SHIT, THEN CRAWL INTO A SEWER, AND DIE!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Also, Fat Man, I see you clash with the Imperialist a lot, when you have practically the same beliefs. You hate capitalism and democracy, don't you? I've seen you say as much, or imply.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

So, why isn't it bleeding us dry? By the time I'm your age, Social Security will be bankrupt and useless. Why should I pay into a safety net that will be no help to me?

Also, I see you were on a roll there, almost able to make a post without insulting someone, buuuuuut, you ruined it once you got to drawing. But keep going! You're almost there!

Stay classy, Fat Man.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

In response to Nick:

OK, Nick, I've been rather busy, so now, I have some time to respond to some of your past questions.

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"And also, Fat Man, I see you love going on about the Inquisition... How about we get something from this century?"

OK, here's something from this century.

I could go on and on for hours about all the recent scandals in the Catholic Church concerning all the butt-banging bishops and pedophile priest sexually molesting little children, just for starters.

But it's not just the Catholics, but I'm also aware of protestant ministers doing the same as well.

But getting back to Catholics.

The Pope is against birth control, and against the use of the condom to either prevent unwanted pregnancies, but also to prevent the spread of sexually transmissible diseases.

The Catholic Church is also against developing a vaccine to protect against AIDS.

When the small pox vaccine first came out, the Catholic Church was even against that!

Stem cell research has the potential to be developed as a cure for diabetes and many other genetic disorders, and the Catholic Church is against stem cell research.

So, the Catholic Church is still no friend to science.

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"I also love how you say that kids aren't allowed to study Science in high school when we're actually required to by law."

Oh! Kids will still be allowed to attend science classes alright, but it just won't be pure science anymore.

Here in the state of Texas, our State Board of Education (Indoctrination) last year voted on the textbooks that will be used in our schools for the next 10 years.

But thanks to Don McLeroy and some of the right-wing members of the board, Creationism will be inserted into the science textbooks.

Also, they want to have Thomas Jefferson removed from the history textbooks because he was a Deist and not a Christian. They want to replace Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin, a 16th century religious fanatic who had people tortured to death.

No, I don't hate all Christians.

Copernicus, Galileo, Johannes Kepler, and Isaac Newton were Christians, historical figures who I admire very much.

Isaac Newton, a Lutheran, had once referred to the Catholic Church as "The Great Whore of Babylon" as in the book of Revelations. Yes, Isaac Newton was also a Biblical scholar as well as a great mathematician and scientist.

So, in my reference to "Christards" I'm NOT referring to ALL Christians, but only to those right-wing whack-jobs, like Pat Robertson and his 700 Club, or Jerry Falwell (now deceased) and to that psycho bitch Becky Fischer with her Jesus Camp where children are being indoctrinated and brain washed.

OK, there use to be a nine video series on YouTube all about the Jesus Camp, but they have been removed. DAMN IT!!!

In one of the videos, a brainwashed child being home schooled says he believes that Galileo made the right choice by giving up science for Christ.

No! What actually happened was, that The Roman Catholic Church, the Holy Office, and the Inquisition brought charges of heresy against Galileo, threatened him with torture, interrogated him for many long hours until he broke down and signed a confession recanting his convictions that the earth and all the planets revolved around the sun. At the time, Galileo was an old man, going blind, was unable to defend himself anymore, and he spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

But the kid in the video had been brainwashed into believing that Galileo gave up science for Christ.

Galileo was always a Christian, so, he didn't give up shit! He had it all take away from him!

So, it's these right-wing whack-jobs, like Pat Robertson, and Becky Fischer, etc. etc. these are the ones I call Christards!

OK???

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"Fat Man, are you serious? There are many people who lose a passion for things over the years. For instance, I used to love drawing, and did it all the time. Now, I realised I suck, and I prefer working with ceramics and such things."

Yeah, you suck alright!

First time I have ever agreed with you on anything! Will wonders ever cease???

Anyway . . . . .

Well, I use to do oil paintings and I use to play the guitar. But now I can't anymore because back in July 2001, my left wrist was fractured, so now, my left hand is all crippled up, and I happen to be left handed.

But, even though I can't do those things anymore, I still haven't lost my passion for them.

I still enjoy going to art galleries to look at all kinds of paintings, and I still enjoy listening to classical guitar music.

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"Fat Man, enjoying a different TV show from you doesn't make someone less human. In fact, one could argue that a person who is unable to accept differences between people (one of the basic tenets of humanity) is inhuman."

Oh! I really don't have any problem with people who like TV programs that are different from what I like.

OK, many years ago, there was once a time when I did not actually hate sports.

I neither liked, or disliked sports. I was neutral when it came to sports. I was merely not interested in sports.

I really didn't care one way or the other about sports.

But, during my life, I have known sports fans who thought I was gay, or a fag because I had my own interests other than sports.

In school I was bullied around and beaten because I had no interest in sports.

So, it was sports that taught me how to hate sports. It was some sports fans, and jocks who taught me to hate sports fans and jocks.

And believed me, I learned those lessons well, and have now become a professional hater of sports.

I like to play Chess, but I did not go around beating up on people who didn't like Chess or who said the thought Chess sucks.

I did not go around beating up on people who didn't like classical music or who didn't like art, or who didn't like Astronomy.

No, I never bullied anybody around just simply because they didn't like the same things that I liked. I'm willing to accept the fact that not everybody will like the same thing I like. I really have no problem with that.

So, that's why I say there is something seriously wrong with sports, because many sports fans (perhaps not all) but many of them like to bully people around or beat up on people who simply don't care for sports.

That is how I became prejudice against sports fans and jocks.

It was the sports fans that I have known, and the jocks I have encountered in my school, who fired the first shots in this war.

My parents taught me to never start a fight, but that if someone starts a fight with me, then I have the right to damn well finish it.

There is no such thing as a Chess bully, or an art bully, or a classical music bully, or an Astronomy bully.

But there is sure as Hell plenty of sports bullies!

You see, intellectuals don't physically bully people around, not unless we get bullied around first, then we strike back by verbally tearing you a new one, and to put you in your place.

No, bullying is the sole province of the ignorant and the uneducated.

But now, I'm quite capable of striking back if the need arises.

You see, I have no problem accepting people who are different.

And so, It's the sports fans and the jocks who are unable to accept differences between people (one of the basic tenets of humanity) and therefore, are inhuman!

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"By SS I meant the nazis... Social Security would work too, since they're basically nazis but trying to bleed everyone dry."

Oh! I just love this one!

This has just got to be my most favorite standard old cliché that you right-wing whack-jobs like to use so much.

Yeah! You redneck sports fans, you don't object to some drooling moronic slope-headed, slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, stooped-shouldered, knuckle-dragging baboon with shit-for-brains and a single digit IQ getting paid millions of dollars just for kicking a football around.

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

But you like to come down on someone who is living on a disability pension, someone who's only getting a mere $650 dollars per month in chump change.

If anybody is bleeding us dry, it's these over-paid monkey-boys who are getting millions of dollars just for chasing balls.

And NOT some unfortunate person who's living on a small disability check that barely heeps one alive from one month to the next.

Why don't you just go dunk your head in the toilet three times and only take it out twice!

Of all the idiotic and moronic things you have ever said in the past, this has just got to be the most idiotic, moronic, and imbecilic thing you have ever said yet!!!

So, please do keep coming back.

I want to see some more idiotic and moronic comments spewing forth from your shit for brains.

I'm sure you won't disappoint me!

But in the meantime . . . . .

GO CRAWL INTO A SEWER, EAT SHIT AND DIE, YOU SANCTIMONIOUS SCUM-BAG PIECE OF DOG SHIT!!!

OK???
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Oh, I knew what you meant, Nick. I was just joshin' ya. I knew perfectly well that you meant Schutzstaffel -- or Stinkerschnitzel or whatever.

I used to have a fantasy of what an online battle between Samdaman and Fat Man would be like. I used to wish that Fat Man had discovered this website while Samdaman was still posting before he was finally banned for good (which, incidentally, was before I discovered this website.) (There are still times when I wonder if I could have reasoned with Samdaman in the hope of bringing out another side of his character.) Can't you just picture it now? A flurry of the most vicious insults, replete with big pictures yet. Sort of like the war between Hitler and Stalin. Last year I thought Fat Man would be the victor in such a confrontation, but now I'm not sure that he would be able to withstand Samdaman's formidable abuse. Samdaman has established a -standard- of abuse that I fear will never be surpassed in this forum. Mrs. Earl is of the opinion that such a match between those two would have destroyed the website. Anyway, it would have been a wonder to behold.

Alas, I don't believe you'll be able to change Fat Man's mind on anything. Surely you realize that? Yes, he's capable of making off-the-wall comments. He's even admitted that himself. Oh, well, you meet all sorts of people on the Internet. Don't we, Nick. Board messaging is -so- much fun. :)
Earl

Crap, I keep forgetting...

Stay classy, Fat Man.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I also see that Fat Man spends his time insulting Christian holidays. Seriously, why does he do such things? I have jewish friends, and we don't insult each others' religions. (We agreed that we're the two more civilized ones in the world, heh. (That was a joke)) He also insulted straight people by saying that they can't organize fun, festive events. Honestly, Fat Man... what is your problem with Christians? Did living as a Christian really hurt you that much? Would your life have been so much better if you had to wait a week to get all your gifts instead of getting them all at once? Seriously, stop hating on Christians, Fat Man, it's not hip, it's not edgy, and it's really not cool.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Stay classy, Earl.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Really? Where'd you get that from? I've simply been saying that if a large amount of people enjoy something, there must be a reason for it.

By SS I meant the nazis... Social Security would work too, since they're basically nazis but trying to bleed everyone dry.

Also, you know that 4Chan would have marked Samdaman as a bigger 'faggot' than Fat Man, right? Either way, though, it was just a point because Fat Man is calling a community which hates people who speak stupidly on the internet bad at writing the english language.

Anyways, I'm just responding to Fat Man's personal attacks in (much kinder) kind.

A lot of what he says seems designed to infuriate, which is why I used to be -sure- he was a troll. Read some of his posts from the standpoint of someone who is not a member of your community. Would you honestly believe he isn't simply trying to troll?

Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick wrote: "(After all, samdaman is not correct english, but you still type it out.)

Nick, you silly boy! Of course, we type out our beloved former member's username as "samdaman" instead of "Sam the man" because we -strive- to be accurate in our references; and we show respect for this personage by using the very username that he -chose-. Samdaman, incidentally, was not a 4channer, which truly is ironic because if he had been, all the 4chan trolls would have been absolutely delighted to do his bidding; and he would have derived -much- pleasure from seeing our website under siege. This was one time when samdaman's hatred of nerds failed to pay off.

You also wrote: "Stay classy, SS (Hah! I just noticed that abbreviation is similar to another unpopular group...) You mean Social Security? Or do you mean "steamship" or "supersonic"? Could it possibly be "Sunday School"? I've absolutely -no- idea to what you could possibly be referring.

Aside from that vital issue, Nick, you seem to be obsessed with the question of whether or not something is popular. Popularity doesn't mean a thing, my son. Popularity cannot be used to prove that something is inherently good anymore than unpopularity proves that something is bad. There was a time in this country when the Ku Klux Klan, despite their terrible crimes, was quite popular in the United States. In the year I was born (1950), those who objected to the racial injustice of Jim Crow definitely were -not- popular.

We're delighted that you've derived so much enjoyment from this very small website. Be well and prosper. (I mean that sincerely!)
Earl

I also am amazed that someone as clever as you took as long as you did to notice that HugeFan's story was a joke about cocaine.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And also, I think you should go surf 4chan for a bit. You'll find that they have better grammar than some members of your own board.

Other than, of course, intentional misspellings meant to evoke memories of earlier events on the board. An example would be the meme of threatening to 'backtrace' someone, or 'call the cyber police', or that 'Consequences will NEVER BE THE SAME!' These are all based off of the 'Jessi Slaughter' incident that took place a few months ago, where a young girl posted a video of herself insulting 4chan and swearing and threatening to 'pop a glock in your head and make a brain slushie' (lolWUT?). You should look up Jessi Slaughter, it's rather humorous. In fact (I don't exactly remember) I may have added some content to the ED page on her while the events were still going on.

Anyways, this is much longer than I intended... Basically, most members of 4chan have great grammar and prose, and memes are just used as a sort of in-joke. (After all, samdaman is not correct english, but you still type it out.) And also, calling you out on walls of text or saying TL;DR are merely (effective) ways of trolling (you).

So don't get mad Fat Man. I've been much more polite to you than you have earned, or been to me. Why can't weeee be friieeennnds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Stay classy, SS (Hah! I just noticed that abbreviation is similar to another unpopular group...)

Anyways, Stay classy, (name) is going to be my new signature on posts here from now on.

Stay classy, Fat Man.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

My mommy told me to never suck on things strange older men offer me... sorry.

I also find it interesting that you seem to have a serious victim complex (See the E.D article). I was commenting, on your guestbook, about some of the things you said. (Older people in El Paso say the -darndest- things!) But, as you often do, you blew it way out of proportion.

I also find it interesting that you didn't take any notice or respond to anything else that I said. I responded to your inquisition rant, and you had nothing else to say. All the time you brag about your quick wit and ability to 'verbally rip people apart'... but when you're losing a debate, you quickly back down and pretend it didn't happen.

Stay classy Fat Man. If you want to actually start trying instead of going off on nonsensical rants, I'll be waiting.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Oh! By the way Nick . . .

If you are reporting what you see at our forums to all your zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan . . .

Be sure to tell them in short simple sentences of 5 words or less, and use only one-syllable words so they will understand!

Keep it real simple!

OK?
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

In response to Nick.

I was only just a kid in the 4th grade when that threat was made toward me.

Yeah, I did have a lot of "book smarts" when it came to science, being able to read at the adult level when I was only in the 3rd grade.

But I was no expert in law, and at that young age one tends to take almost everything adults say, seriously.

It takes time to develop one's bullshit detector.

After having been lied to by some of my teachers and by a lot of adults, well, after a couple of years, I knew when I was being lied to, and then, I had a fully developed bullshit detector.

But then, I would still get into trouble for calling them on their bullshit!

So, I see you still like to spy on our forums. Eh?

I suppose you report everything you see to all your zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan!

Well, I really don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell. They're all scum over there, and if you have any association with them, then you too are scum!

So, suck on that!

And choke on it for all I care!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

I also wonder, Fat Man, why with such a quick mind as you tell us you have (And such great wit, as well!), you got into nearly as much trouble as you did. Did you honestly never learn to, once again, pardon my language, B.S your way out of trouble? You were saying that the P.E teacher threatened you with prison, you should have said HELL YES, because as the intelligent (and mature) child you were, you should have been able to see that they could never legally imprison you for such a thing.

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I don't know if that made much sense, the rest of you, Fat Man just... gets to me sometimes.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Post subject: There Must Be Something Seriously Wrong With Sports! Eh?

...Fat Man, are you serious? There are many people who lose a passion for things over the years. For instance, I used to love drawing, and did it all the time. Now, I realised I suck, and I prefer working with ceramics and such things.

Fat Man, enjoying a different TV show from you doesn't make someone less human. In fact, one could argue that a person who is unable to accept differences between people (one of the basic tenets of humanity) is inhuman.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I understand. Please excuse.
Earl

No, I was actually trying to point out that among the (mostly) silent majority of people who dislike sports, there are the vocal minority (Fat Man) who make the group look bad.

Basically, most of you are fine, it's just that some people need to learn their manners. That's what I was trying to convey.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Do you aim to silence "the vocal minority" who "screams their hatred of them"? Do you consider Earl to be one of them? Just curious.
Earl

I was actually doing the latter. Did you notice I said all the 'horrible things' about judaism and catholicism as well?

I know Islam is fine, and it's just that the vocal minority screws it up. Sort of like people who aren't interested in sports, eh? Most people who don't like sports simply don't watch them, the vocal minority screams their hatred of them and idolizes the columbine, which leads to giving a bad name to all people not interested in sports.

Anyways, yeah, Baddy. I'm cool with Islam. (Which doesn't mean I don't laugh at jokes about it occasionally. 'Everybody's a little bit racist...')
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Yes, I'm aware that horses definitely aren't treated that well in horse racing, and I'm sure the stuff that is done to them when they're off the track is a lot less pleasant, however, I'm sure anything overly cruel done to the horses off the track isn't legal either, just like dog fighting isn't legal. But while what happens on the track, what the people see, isn't pleasant to the horses, they aren't killed (other than unintentional accidents of course where the horse would have to be put down afterwords).

I'm definitely not an animal rights activist by any means, and PETA simply annoys me to be honest, but I definitely see something wrong with dog fighting.

Also, concerning this topic of Islam you've introduced by this discussion, are you arguing against Islam, or just using it as an example for Fat Man of why religions other than Catholicism have their flaws but are not entirely bad? I'm not assuming you're doing the former, but just in case, while I have a bit of time, I'll state why Islam is not a bad religion (no pun intended). The people who enforce the things that go against women's rights, the people who kill NATO troops, the people who blow up women and children, the people who force women to cover themselves up in heavy clothing, the people who destroyed the Twin Towers, they don't represent the entire Muslim population, and only make up an extremely insignificant amount of the Islamic population. I know, and am friends with, several Muslims, and they dislike Islamic terrorists just as much as you and I do. They don't have a problem with the women they know who don't wear headdresses, they don't believe NATO troops should be killed, they are completely disgusted by violent acts such as those against women and children, and they are appalled by the 9/11 attacks. And personally, I don't really have much of a problem with the Muslim community centre near Ground Zero, and disagree that it is a victory monument (in fact, there will be a memorial to the victims of the September 11th attacks in the community centre). But don't forget that some of the opposition to the community centre has been from Muslims. Out of the several Muslims I know, all (except for perhaps one) of them are kind, and extremely intelligent people, and they, just like the extremely vast majority of Muslims, are nothing like the ones who commit crimes against humanity.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

And also, Fat Man, I see you love going on about the Inquisition... How about we get something from this century?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I also love how you say that kids aren't allowed to study Science in high school when we're actually required to by law.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I don't need to watch the videos, since I already know what they're going to say. Let me see...

(I also don't have three hours to burn. Believe it or not, although it appeared I was omnipresent on the forums, I was simply popping in at random times throughout the day.)

-Catholics imprisoned Galileo
-Catholics burned jews.
-Catholics burned books.
-Catholics burned people they didn't like.
-Catholics burned people they did like.
-Catholics burned people.
-Catholics invaded the middle east on 9 different occasions.
-Saladin was pretty cool.
-Catholics are the root of all evil and should be removed from this earth because during the middle ages when everyone loved killing each other, they killed slightly more than other powers of the time, possibly, maybe.
-Catholicism has always been a bad thing and never contributed anything to the world but Judaism is clearly A-OK and the right way to go... right, guys? Guys? GUYS!?

Of course, all of this pales in comparison to the Jews inventing the evil art of circumcision... Seriously, they honestly popularized the art of self mutilation, before it was made 'cool' by bands such as My Chemical Romance (cringe).

I honestly don't see why you have to hate the Catholic church. Do you hate jews because of what they're doing to the Palestinians? No, of course not. To be honest, I think that, as with sports, you are simply looking for someone to hate. After all, why accept your own flaws when other people are -so much- worse, right?

Do you hate Muslims because the middle east has a bad track record for womens' rights? Muslims are killing American troops in the Middle East. Muslims are blowing up women and children. Muslims are forcing women to cover themselves in heavy clothing in the high temperatures of a desert. Muslims blew up the twin towers and are trying to make a mosque there as a victory monument. Of course you don't... the people who bullied you weren't Muslims... (Like the majority of America). Why would you hate Muslims? Sure, they did bad things, but they're not -Christians-!

I also find it funny how, a couple days ago, I read a (sad) story about a football player who was put in a concentration camp. Even though you spend all your time writing out your violent fantasies of killing them in brutal ways, you were quick to backpedal there. Even though you idolize the monsters who killed students at the columbine, (How can you defend them? They tried to detonate pipe bombs in a god damn school!) when Earl shares a story like that, you pretend to care. Stop lying to yourself. Either hate everyone and be honest about it, or stop with your random rants at everyone in the world. Apparently you hate Catholics, Republicans, Americans, Gays, Liberals, the entire world. Of course, you still accept the money that the country you so hate gives you...

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Anyways, Earl--

Don't worry, I forgive you. I wasn't railing against you in particular, as I said, I was seeing a lot of hate against him on these forums. It's just that I personally believe he's done well for himself with what he's been given. Contrary to popular belief, a child has a less than one in 250,000 (or something like that, I forget the exact number) chance to become a pro football player. So, although Fat Man loves to believe that skills in sports are the key to a good life in America, it's actually the opposite. You can be good at sports and only sports, and then not have the right lucky breaks and end up working in some dead end job the rest of your life.

(I also found a better way to write comments without having to do word. If you look in the bottom right corner of the text box, it can be resized.)

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Baddy, yes, it was a dramatic example. However, they do drug those horses up a lot. (Personally, I don't care. They're animals. If I like my pets, that's my own choice, but if someone wants to shoot a deer and eat it, they can go ahead.) So, the basic principles of forcing animals to do things against their own interests is the same. One may be more brutal than the other, of course.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

In response to Nick:

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And also, Fat Man, I love how you enjoy insulting Catholics. Clearly, since a couple priests did a horrible thing, the Catholic religion must be horrible.
[End Quote]

That just shows how little you really know.

It wasn't just a couple of priests doing some horrible things.

The Catholic Church has a long and bloody history. It all has something to do with a little thingy they had going on for over 700 years.

That little itty bitty thingy I'm referring to was known as The Inquisition.

Here are some links to 20 YouTube videos, all about the Inquisition.

Careful! You just might learn something!

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The Inquisition E01P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDNapxgMys&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcK-JCcwCk&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pHQwe061NU&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC96gUBV5YM&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWT5dpBWgEo&feature;=related
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The Inquisition E02P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVlEgduv2A4&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQO5TMZPHc&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Mjrhut0-w&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZabPSFVbz0&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sK-RVUoTMs&feature;=related
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The Inquisition E03P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5J41QMzfw&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJzwALsv108&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1vDzXzxVag&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZabPSFVbz0&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sK-RVUoTMs&feature;=related
====================

The Inquisition E04P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qulHayjdGqg&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gYMiPLG7fY&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETCo-cZK0s&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcW_khxCcTs&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q38jKOPRmZo&feature;=related
====================

There were about 80 Popes over a 600 year period of history who have blood on their hands.

Actually, the Inquisition lasted over 700 years from 1100 to 1858.

And The Holy Office of The Inquisition is still in existence.

Only now, it has been renamed The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Yeah! Now that's a scary thought!

Anyway . . .

I will take about 3 hours to view all 20 videos, each one being almost 10 minutes long.

Watch these videos, then come back and let me know what you think.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hi, Nick. Thanks for the kind remark. Actually, I was not citing Michael Vick as an individual player who was given preferential treatment. I simply met that I didn't admire him. As far as being given a second chance, I have no problem with that. His sincerity or lack thereof will become evident over time. Sorry about the confusion presented by my comments.
Earl

I don't intend on joining in on any arguments here right now as I probably won't have too much time to keep up with them because school starts again tomorrow, but I felt the need to point something out: While I'm sure many consider horse racing to be animal abuse, I'm not entirely sure horse racing is animal abuse to the same magnitude as dog fighting. While I'd be just as unlikely to watch horse racing as I would to watch a football game and I'm not defending horse racing, people don't watch horse racing to see the horses fight until one of them has been brutally killed. In dogfighting, that's the entire purpose, to watch the dogs fight with each other until one of them has suffered a gruesome death. I'm sure I didn't need to point that out, but I didn't view your example as an effective comparison.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

And also, Fat Man, I love how you enjoy insulting Catholics. Clearly, since a couple priests did a horrible thing, the Catholic religion must be horrible.

[sarcasm]That's why I hate jews, you see. I heard that this jewish guy killed someone once. All jews must be evil! -Especially- ones that are in the -process of converting to Judaism-![/sarcasm]

I love overstatements and foolish exaggeration just as much as the next guy, but seriously bro. Chill.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And also, FYI, do you honestly believe that -America- does not care about freedom? Did you seriously try and argue that Americans care more about sports than about freedom? Our entire culture is based on Apple Pie, Uncle Sam, and freedom to do whatever the hell we want.

That is seriously the most foolish thing I've heard today. And I've been surfing /v/ where weaboos are whining that Japanese developers are starting to make their games more realistic, instead of having their heroes be androgynous 17 year old 'boys' with six foot long swords.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Fat Man, a legitimate question--

I'm going to completely ignore my own personal disbelief at your statement as I ask this, as well: Why do you feel the need to objectify this lovely woman of yours? Why can you not simply be satisfied with the fact that you are in a relationship and leave it at that? I also find it worrisome that you feel the need to insult other women simply because a (rather large) portion of the male population enjoys a different TV show from you. Honestly, I've heard you say you like Star Trek... Star Trek conventions are generally composed of pale, sweaty (and oh so fat) men dressed up like their favorite female characters from the show. (Of course, I exaggerated, similar to the way you exaggerate the qualities of a minority of people who enjoy the TV show you don't.) Are these fans really -so much- (That's how I italicize, Earl.) better than men who watch Football?

I am seriously interested in some statistics and surveys which show the average IQ of women whose husbands enjoy sports. I'd also like to know the IQ of a steam iron, after all, you enjoy science yourself, we can't leave unanswered variables, or else it's simply a theory, not a fact.

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Earl--

On preferential treatment, I've seen a lot of hatred for Michael Vick, a man whose achievements recently (Although I haven't exactly been focusing on sports that much, beyond the occasionally headline and article) have far surpassed many peoples' expectations.

I've heard it said that he received preferential treatment because he regained his position as quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles (Yes, I had to look that one up...). However, that is, quite plainly, and excuse my language, Fat Man, B.S. He is highly skilled in his field. The field he happens to be skilled in is as a quarterback. As -any- businessman, would you remove your top earner for a minor offense? (It's just dog fighting, some forms of 'animal cruelty' are still allowed, such as horse racing, anyways. Who cares?) Of course you wouldn't. He is simply being paid the standard amount for someone of his skill in his field.

Now, on to what you said about judging individuals based on merit... I respect that, that's all I can really say.

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FYI--

I disagree with your assessment, mainly because what you describe is nothing new. Do many people from Alaska consider themselves the exact same as those from Hawaii? Doubtful.

In a more violent sense, do you believe that China and Taiwan desire to work together for mutual benefit? Israel and Syria? The northern Sudanese government and the people of Darfur?

Sports are not evil powers that force humanity against each other. In fact, it is humanity that forces itself against each other. Without sports, Massachusetts and New York would still have reasons for their own state pride. I can see it now, actually:

'Hey New Yorkers! How's that -red- Clam Chowder goin'? Have fun eating that crap while we enjoy our -glorious- white Clam Chowder! HAHA!!!!

Boston- 1.
NYC- -9001'

(For the record, Manhattan Clam Chowder looks disgusting.)

Basically, humans are always driven to believe that their group is better than -those people-. Sports are no more a cause of that than anything else.

Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

To answer your question, Nick, I am not against football per se. And to repeat myself, I make a sharp distinction between the game and the culture that is associated with the sport. I respect athletic achievement just as I do success in any other endeavor that requires dedication and self-discipline. There are individual coaches and players whom I actually admire -- not because they excel in a sport, but because they happen to be decent human beings. I don't admire those who behave dishonorably, particularly in the way they treat others off the playing field. I certainly don't believe that such individuals should be given preferential treatment and protected from the consequences of bad conduct. If the coaches at a high school or college do not exert strong, moral leadership, abuses and excesses are likely to occur. I've already said that if I had a teenage son who wanted to play football in high school, I'd support him (with reservations). If I happen to dislike (NOT hate) an individual player such as Michael Vick or Ben Roethlisberger, the reason why I dislike him is not because he's a football player, but is because his conduct off the playing field is despicable.
Earl

The central theme is the same throughout sports: divide and conquer. The techniques are quite simple: short circuit the natural tendency of people to cooperate for their survival, and teach them to form teams bent on domination and winning. Sports has always had a role as a key distraction that corrals tribal tendencies into a non-important event, which in modern America has reached ridiculous proportions where protests will break out over a sport celebrity leaving their city, but essential human issues such as liberty are giggled away as inconsequential.
FYI

BTW, Happy New Year, you two and everyone else!

Yeah, I know. I misspelled "sandwich" below. :(
Earl

HEY jimbo bubbah booey!!!

(Notice I don't capitalize jim's name.)

I also have a girlfriend.

She drops by to visit me and we go out together eating in restaurants.

She's a young black gal in her 30s and she's really chubby, about 5 ft 5 in and 285 pounds and really cute with a delightful personality.

Yeah, I love chubby women.

I have known her since 1998 a couple of years after I had moved down from Las Cruces New Mexico to El Paso Texas.

Sometime when I go out I'm run into her, and when we meet, we always give each other a nice big chubby hug.

I always look forward to her visits.

She is very intelligent and well educated as well as cute and sexy.

So, it's not just sports fans and jocks who get the chicks.

We sports haters can also get the chicks.

It might take us a little longer to to get a lady, but when we do, we meet up with a better class of "chicks" while sports fans and jock usually end up with shallow bubble-headed bimbos with the IQ of a steam iron.

So, good luck jim with your cheap slutty jersey-chasers!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Ahhh, Big JIM! I'm SO delighted that you've chosen to grace this Guestbook with your presence once again.

Nick, you've got a new pal. Nick, meet JIM.

JIM, YOU'VE got a new pal. JIM, meet Nick.

JIM, JIM, JIM ... how many times do I have to tell you? :) I've ALREADY got a chick, and I don't mean a Chick Fil-A sandwhich. This particular union, which has lasted longer than 30 years, has resulted in the production of two chickettes. :)
Earl

Happy New Year, ya sick anti-sports freaks! Hope ya get some chicks in 2011. Remember, No sports = no chicks!
JIM

No, I'm not ignoring you. As long as you're civil, I'll continue to respond. I was just having a bad day yesterday. I'll come back later when I have more time.
Earl

I don't entirely understand what you just said... are you ignoring me, or aren't you?

Also, I'd like to clarify what I meant by my last post's question. What I meant to ask was if you believe such opinions are healthy.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick, I'm not ignoring you now. I'm just tired of online arguments with people. Gets old after a while. You seem to be a good kid, but I'm tired. Sleep apnea doesn't help.

Earl

Yeah, I know. Sleeping as late as possible, not doing homework, this is the good life.

Hey, a question... do you honestly believe that football is as evil as Fat Man likes to think? I was just reading a thread where much of the forum attacked Polite24 for saying that whether or not Football is good or enjoyable is purely objective and that much of the united states enjoys it.

(His hatred of Christmas is galling as well.)

Also, in regards to you saying that Sports based PE should be an elective, in my school, at least, you get to choose which P.E class you take (There are about 10 or 12 to choose from). A class you get to choose is an elective, is it not?

As well, not to be rude or anything, but that African Village example could be considered a bit offensive. After all, Africa and the Middle East were the source of much of the world's scientific advancement, until they got raped repeatedly by the rest of the world.

Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Enjoy your vacation while you can, Nick. You'll have to go back to the old grindstone soon enough.
Earl

Access Denied.

I'm not posting much right now as I am busy enjoying my time off from school. I will talk more later.

Since I can't read what you said on the forum there, I can't exactly respond to it either. Could you post it here?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick, please read the DU topic that I've posted the link below. It helps explain what animates my point of view.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address;=439x71920
Earl

Nick, I hope my allusion to your being slightly overweight doesn't sound harsh. You seem to be a nice kid. I just have issues of anger connected with sports that I have to work out and that have nothing to do with you. I was only trying to make a point.
Earl

You may have misunderstood what I said. I believe that SPORTS-BASED P.E. should be an ELECTIVE. In other words, NOT mandatory. (I'm having to use capital letters to provide emphasis since the Guestbook does not allow for italicization.) In other words, nonathletic boys (and girls) who have no interest in sports should NOT be forced to participate in competitive teams sports. I will NEVER change my mind on this issue.

And HugeFan has already proven (not to mention many other guys) that there are situations in which sports actually GET IN THE WAY of promoting physical fitness, especially for those students who are the most unfit.

And I repeat myself: Sports-based P.E. should be retained for the athletic students and those who simply want to participate in sports. I don't favor and I've never favored taking sports out of schools.

Unlike mandatory sports-based P.E., the best sort of P.E. program offers a wide range of choice. You say that you're overweight. I don't mean to be offensive or get personal with you, but how have any of your sports-centered P.E. classes encouraged you to slim down? Again, I'm not trying to be offensive or get personal with you. I'm simply trying to make a point.

Also, what about freedom of choice? How would you feel if you and all the other guys at your high school were required to take ballet lessons? There is less justification (actually, NO justification) for requiring nonathletic students to participate in competitive team sports than there is for basic science requirements. Let's picture a technological society as compared to, say, an African village. Both societies have sports, but the second society lacks scientific technology. Sports are just as important as science? Those who actually believe that (or show contempt for scientists and "nerds" by calling them "pencil--necked geeks") should have the courage of their convictions and not be hypocritical and, instead of living in a society that enjoys all the blessings of science, go live in an African village.

You say that you've never seen any bullying in your sports-based P.E. classes. I believe that you're being truthful about your own experience, but I don't know what accounts for this. Possibly you may not be aware of what the most nonathletic boys are experiencing. I would suggest that you do a Google search on "P.E. bullying" and check out listed links to relevant webpages. I still believe that more bullying occurs in sports-based ("sports only," actually) mandatory P.E. than in all the academic classes combined. To do a little research, you might want to visit www.democraticunderground.org and do a search on the site using the words "jock bullies" and another search using just the word "bullying." If you took the time to check out links to relevant topics or threads (not having to do with "shock jocks," for example), you would find a lot more posts about bullying than any posts you've ever read at our very small website.

I'll give you credit, though, for not calling any of the members liars who have said that they endured physical bullying in such classes. But I'll go off on a limb here and also say I don't believe that the majority of high-school football coaches in this country are morally opposed to any of the football players in their charge bullying physically weaker, nonathletic boys at their schools. I truly wish that I could say otherwise. I know there are some decent coaches who are opposed, because I've read about them. But the majority? No, I'm not able to believe that. If they have the same mindset as my former judo instructor, they certainly have no problem with bullying at all.

As I've said before, I have no problem with even the most popular sports as long as they're not forced upon those who aren't interested in them and as long as individual participants in those sports are held accountable for the way they treat others off the playing field (as certainly was NOT true at Columbine before the 1999 shootings and probably still is not true). Regarding the latter consideration that I just mentioned, there have been amazingly pathetic instances to the contrary across the country, including instances of coddling or protecting criminal behavior.

I'm glad you received some good presents for Christmas. Among other presents, I received a two-season TV anthology series -- THRILLER, the horror/suspense anthology series from the early 1960s that was hosted by Boris Karloff. I've wanted that series for years! I've already got most of the TWILIGHT ZONE episodes. (Yes, some of them are not all that good. Rod Serling himself was his own harshest critic.)
Earl

I said I agree that non-sports based P.E should be an elective. However, in my school system, almost all of our P.E classes are sports based. (We have fitness/walking, yeah, but we also have baseball, football, golf, fencing(lolwut.), badminton, and a bunch of others.) and I never see any bullying.

I don't understand why one would consider them self recovered from a hobby or fandom (other than furries, they really need to recover. Like, a lot.), rather than simply not a fan any more.

Anyways, I'm enjoying my new gifts (Finally got a new graphics card so my computer can play modern games without killing itself.)

Merry Christmas (And Hanukkah to Fat Man because he's changing into a jew, I suppose... Merry Hanukkah, doesn't have a nice ring to it... Happy Hanukkah? Have a nice Hanukkah? I'll let the rest of you decide.)
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

HugeFan is absolutely right about mandatory sports-based P.E.; and, furthermore, he proves my case! I've heard similar stories from other guys time and time again. In your heart you know Earl is right! :) (By the way, HugeFan, congratulations on the progress that you've already made. Just remember that there are no shortcuts to building up one's physique. It takes a long time. I'm proud of your determination. By building up your physique, you're giving the finger to mandatory sports-based P.E. This is your vindication. :) )

Two comments about mandatory sports-based P.E., Nick: 1) The best sort of P.E. is one that allows for CHOICE. PE4Life was set up with this goal in mind. 2) I favor the retention of the old sports-based P.E. as an ELECTIVE for the athletic kids and those who simply want to participate in sports. I'm far more generous to the athletic crowd and sports fans than many sport fans are to nonathletic boys. I'm glad that you enjoyed your phys ed classes.

Regarding the 1973 martial arts magazine article about my former judo instructor, I wasn't mentioned by name; otherwise, I would have considered suing for libel. I suspect that he was referring to me, but he possibly could have been referring to some other unfortunate kid. I think you're missing the point I was trying to make: He equated being scrawny with being gay. Scrawny = inferior = gay. Remember, he specifically said that ONLY athletic men and men in certain blue-collar professions were "real men." This is a little bit like racism. Instead of being a white supremacist, he's a jock supremacist.

And, no, as I've said before, I'm not saying that sports are the cause of all evil in the world. I've never said that.

Regarding recovering_fan's chosen username, RF is a former sports fan. He got the idea for his username from the expression "recovering alchoholic." Get it? ;)
Earl

Hah.

He seems worse than I was. I only circumvented a ban once, and lost interest in the character after two posts. =P
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick wrote: <<Oh, also, when're you guys gonna ban wibberley?>>

Never. Earl is going to appoint wibberley to a moderatorship, and then wibberley is going to ban Earl.

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I wouldn't bother checking the threads here for a while...

RF

You know, I daresay I like Recovering_Fan. Although his name makes no sense, he seems like a pretty cool guy. His posts make a lot of sense, and he's talking some of it into Fat Man as well.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Earl-

So, yes. It is pretty clear that the guy didn't think you were gay because you didn't like sports. (Many people who are sports -fans- but don't play the sports are fat or scrawny.)

I also agree that it sucks that during the 60's they made you take sports based Phys ed. However, for many, myself included, sports based phys ed was pretty fun. Of course, when I took actual P.E I was in middle school, and we played more games like dodge ball, tag, kickball, etc. We even had watergun fights once.

Anyways, from what you've told me, I don't think that necessarily the guy was even thinking of sports when he thought you were gay. And besides, it's pretty cool you were mentioned in a magazine, eh?
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Baddy-

As I said to Earl, I've never had problems in Phys-ed (Other than when we got to wellness and it WAS based around fitness, but the teacher was a short, effeminate man with issues about desiring respect or something.)

But I agree that your teacher sounds terrible. However, from his point of view, by losing the game it shows that the other teacher taught his kids better, so I can forgive him that. (When my 'wellness' teacher tried to make me run laps, I was just all like 'Nope.' and I had to 'clean up the lunch room' during one of my 25 minute free mods. (At this high school, the day is divided up into 25 minute periods, most classes have three 2 period class times and 1 3 period class time).

Most of the time, just saying 'HEYELLLLLL NAWWWWW' could have served you well.

However, I would like to disagree with you about the math thing. Kids I've known would brag about test scores in class and make fun of lower grades often. (However, I'm usually above them so who cares?)

I also believe you could have gone to your principal and said something about the fact that your teacher was making you run in a circle for an hour instead of teaching his class. I usually exaggerate a little bit, but in a way that if I'm called out on it, I can just say that they were misconstruing my words. That's just me though.
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Now, there's not really much I can say using this about the debate over why sports are evil, (Or, in your case, sports-based PE with no alternative, Earl. Which I mostly agree with.), so I'll end my message here.

Oh, also, when're you guys gonna ban wibberley? He's been here since a while before I was banned, I think. =þ
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Good evening Nick (well, technically it is morning I suppose),

I see that quite a lot has happened here in the guestbook since I last visited it. Last time I visited the guestbook, there had only been a couple posts since you came back here, as I don't check the guestbook often as it is usually quiet for the most part, but less than an hour ago, I had just noticed the amount of new posts here. I've read through all the new posts and I'm glad to see that there has been intelligent discussion here (mostly).

I must admit that when I initially saw your recent posts here, I did not remember who you were. The name was familiar, but I couldn't exactly remember you. Don't take it personally though, there are several names that I've seen mentioned in the forums where I can slightly remember their presence, but all I can really remember is the fact that they posted a while ago and don't post anymore. Perhaps I have a memory loss problem :) (Is that the first time I've used an emoticon on this forum? I think it might be). But I soon remembered who you were, and a lot of my memory involving your presence on this forum was refreshed by some of these newer posts in the guestbook.

I'll try to address a few things that have been mentioned in this discussion if I feel like I have something to say about it.

Nick, while I must admit you were treated somewhat unfairly (although not outrageously unfairly in my opinion), you did act in a manner in which tension between you and some members would be inevitable. To my recollection, the first thing I ever read from you stated that you believed most bullying victims were jerks, which is something I, probably along with several other members of the site, disagree with. Your posts also stated that you were connected to 4chan, which had recently attacked this website and harassed specific members, and one member was particularly victimized in a completely immoral manner. Your treatment on this site cannot compare to the treatment that member faced from 4chan, yet I can't recall you saying anything that opposed 4chan.

While I agree with you that irresponsibility of teachers are to blame for many problems discussed on this site, I feel that this is extremely prevalent in Phys-Ed, when based on sports, compared to any academic subject. I've heard of and witnessed and have even been the victim of many incidents where someone is picked on due to athletic inability. Based on personal experience, I've noticed a student is very likely to be taunted if he can't throw a ball or perform some other sports related manoeuvre. But I have never in my life seen a good math student point at someone who is having difficulties in the subject and say Ha! Look over there! He doesn't know how to turn that equation of a parabola in standard form into vertex form! What a faggot! and then physically assault the troubled student. I've always done well with mathematics, but I've never looked down on students who are having troubles learning the subject, in fact, I try to assist them whenever I can, just like all the other successful math students I've ever known. But I have definitely on countless occasions heard successful PE students point at non-athletes such as myself and say something along the lines of Ha! Look over there! He didn't get that shot in! What a faggot! and often, but sometimes not immediately, physically assault the non-athlete. As a related example, I've never seen a history teacher command a student to repeatedly write June 28, 1914 for an entire class simply because the student didn't know the date of Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination. But in grade nine Phys-Ed when we had to play baseball, I failed to catch the baseball which was descending at a very rapid speed, and therefore I was forced to run laps for the rest of the period (each period is approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes long) which had barely even begun, simply because I wasn't too great at baseball. By the end of the class, I had run countless kilometres, and had lost track of the distance I ran long before the period was over. Why did the teacher issue such a punishment for something as simple as lacking athletic ability? It was because our class was playing a game against the other class, and my PE teacher, just like many sports players/fans who I pity, had some irrational mentality against losing a simple game. Like I said, the hostility between successful and unsuccessful students in school and irresponsibility/incompetence of teachers mainly exists in the sports-based PE curriculum and isn't commonly found in academic subjects.

I also must agree with Earl that mandatory sports-based Phys-Ed is completely ineffective in promoting physical fitness to nonathletic students. Until recently, I've never been physically strong. I've never had a weight problem and I've always been quite skinny, but I never had much muscle mass either, and the mandatory PE which I went through from elementary school to grade nine never made me build up muscle. PE never did any good for me, it only did harm. I was always humiliated and it destroyed any confidence I had. I completely despised PE, and it was perhaps the only subject where I eventually wouldn't have any respect for my teachers. I don't know if I have ever mentioned this here before, but on one of the last days of grade nine PE, we were required to write down some answers to questions about our thoughts about the course. One of the questions asked us to write down one thing we disliked about the course. I'll try to write my response to the best of my recollection: I hated so many things about the course that I can't pick just one thing, so I'll choose three things that I hated. First of all, I thought badminton sucked. It was feminine (before the word feminine, I wrote gay, but I crossed out the word gay, but only used one line to cross it out so it was still visible), which isn't really something I'm into. I don't have anything wrong with males doing feminine activities, but I don't think it should be forced upon students who aren't interested in doing feminine things. It wouldn't be right if heterosexuality was promoted to homosexual students, so the same rights should apply to heterosexual students such as myself. The second thing I hated about the subject was baseball. There's barely any physical activity in the sport, it's mostly just standing around, and isn't the purpose of Phys-Ed to promote physical fitness? You really need to stop using whatever you or the school board were smoking when you decided to put baseball in the curriculum. And the third thing I hated about the course was footy, it was simply retarded. I think it's completely bullshit that we have the choice of either paying $25 for two braindead athletes of some messed up sport to come from the other side of the world just to teach us something that will never contribute to my academic or professional career, or to not pay the money and have our marks significantly decrease. I hope you get fired for doing that. The next question was the opposite of the previous question: What did you enjoy about the course? I simply wrote Nothing. . There were several other questions where in my answer, I made it clear that I hated the course. Normally, I would never write a response to a teacher that consisted of the amount of negativity I used to answer those questions, but I was done with putting up with my PE teacher's crap, and since it was the end of the school year, I wanted to convey how much I disliked what I had to go through for an entire semester. Anyway, as I was saying, mandatory PE never contributed to my fitness whatsoever, there were no advantages to the course, only disadvantages. But now, I'm on my first ever year with no PE class, and I've decided to work out on my own time, which I have enjoyed, and I've made much more progress in staying healthy and becoming stronger in the few months since I started working out than I have made in the total amount of time I have spent in PE in my lifetime. I was definitely weaker than the average male my age until a few months ago, but now that I'm no longer taking PE and I'm working out on my own time, I believe I am stronger than the average male my age.

Enjoy,

HugeFanOfBadReligion

In response to Nick:

Well, I wouldn't say that the time I spent taking judo lessons from that guy was a horrible experience. It was just dull and unfulfilling. The psychologist should have known that taking judo lessons would do no good if my heart really wasn't in it.

You're right that I did not specifically tell him that I wasn't interested in sports. But he should have surmised that that was true. Unlike today (as I pack on muscle slowly but surely at my health club), I was physically weak; and my physique was undeveloped. Obviously, I wasn't athletic at all.

He did stereotype me according to the way I looked. But I did not have effeminate mannerisms. I was very conscious of doing what was considered to be masculine. When I was in the 9th grade, a bully in one of my classes once told me that I crossed my legs like a girl; so, I adopted the correct "manly" pose (never mind that William F. Buckley, Jr., crossed his legs in exactly the way that the bully said was effeminate).

I realize that I could be mistaken, but I am convinced that what my former judo instructor meant was that he prevented me from becoming a homosexual -- that had it not been for my taking judo lessons in his dojo, I would have become gay. I once did a Google search on him and found an online copy of an article about him from a 1973 issue of a martial arts magazine. In the article he was quoted making specific reference to an unnamed boy in one of his judo classes whom he claimed to have "saved" from becoming a homosexual. I don't remember the exact wording. But I assume that he was referring to me. Incidentally, I don't hate the guy. I wish him well. I just think that he's extremely wrongheaded.

I want to be sure that I'm not misunderstood. I think the martial arts are great, and I'm glad that you took Tae Kwon Do lessons. The point was that judo lessons were not the solution to the problem that I had when I was a teenager (and persisted into my early manhood). I've become a strong believer in a painfully obvious fact: Self-confidence is absolutely essential for academic success. Taking up bodybuilding when I was a teenager to build up my physique would have given me a lot of self-confidence, which would have enabled me to do better academically. There were certain classes that I should have aced in high school, but did not because I lacked self-confidence.

Yes, I was a teenager throughout the 1960s. And, yes, homosexuality was heavily stereotyped. Man, you're not kidding! There was a lot of stereotyping going on. I was influenced to believe that male homosexuals were either limp-wristed pansies or were somewhere in the middle between physical ruggedness and extreme effeminacy, but certainly NOT "macho." This will sound incredibly stupid; but since I was weak and scrawny, I considered myself to be like homosexuals physically (even though I had no homosexual desires) and felt inferior because of it. If I had attended my friend's high school and had seen that big, muscular gay holding hands with another guy in one of the hallways (as my friend once saw him do), my jaw would have dropped a foot.

Yes, I must admit that my messages are too long to read in a single setting. lol
Earl

Well I understand that that must have been a horrible experience (I took Tae Kwon Do but my instructors were bros.)

You didn't say that you told him you had no interest in sports. Also, you said you're sixty years old, yes? Back when you were a teenager, around 16, I'll guess... that was the 60's. Back then, homosexuality was heavily stereotyped and those people were treated horribly. In his own mindset, what he meant by saving you from homosexuality could have been a compliment, albeit a badly worded one. Many people back then were 'homophobic' (which, by the way, is a stupid phrase because it literally means 'fear of the same'. Although, I suppose, that could become a word for gays-in-denial.)

Anyways, TL;DR: I didn't see you say anything about sports to him, could he have just been stereotyping you based on looks?
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Fat Man, why are you assuming I know what alcohol tastes like, what am I, some kind of druggy? My experience with drugs ends at one awkward experience with weed, bro. Please, can you try to be civil?
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I'll make a longer response to what you said later, Earl.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Good evening Earl:

You know, I always thought that psychology and sociology were not real sciences but were crack-pot pseudo-sciences, and that most psychologists and sociologists are quacks.

I prefer studying real science and reading books on the real sciences like Astronomy, Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Paleontology, and Anthropology, etc. etc.

Many of these so called psychologists or sociologists are just quacks with a political agenda.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

I've read your latest message addressed to me, Nick.

No, (unlike our currently active forum members Skul, Lewis, and i_like_1981), I'm not a Brit; but I did get your joke. :) Like you, I'm an American.

I want to make several observations at this point. First of all, I don't mean to sound unfriendly; but I don't think you're going to change the mind of any of the forum members who support this website. But as long you're serious and not disrespectful, I shall continue this exchange with you. But you realize, don't you, that this exchange could continue for a long time? One or both of us might get tired of it.

Secondly, this is not the best medium to have a discussion of this sort. Long messages are necessary to get points across, and writing them is time-consuming. Since I have a life away from the Internet, I will be checking the Guestbook only once on those days when I'm not too busy. I'm having to discipline myself for the sake of my bodybuilding program and for the purpose of dealing with a serious health problem that I have (chronic sleep disorder caused -- only in part, I believe -- by sleep apnea, with which I have been diagnosed). There may be a few times when I won't respond for two or more days.

I have never said that sports per se cause bullying, but I do believe that there is a mindset that encourages bullying and that certain negative behaviors in sports have been tolerated in many quarters for generations. Of course, I recognize that some bullies are nonathletes. Some bullies are even girls.

You seem to be framing your argument in simplistic terms. I deal with particular situations. Someone's objection to corrupt business practices, say, does not necessarily mean that he's against free enterprise and is some kind of Marxist. Someone who objects to hypocrisy on the part of individual believers is not necessarily an atheist or an agnostic. Sports is regarded by more than a few people as being sacred; so, no critique of the sports culture is permitted. Every other social institution in this country may be criticized, but not the sports culture or sports institutions.

You're preoccupied with people who say they hate sports. You should check out the hysterically hateful reactions of many of the sports fans who have bothered to leave messages over the years of this website's existence in either the forum or the "Letters" columns. You've not referred to any of their reactions.

For now, all I want to do is present you with a non-bullying situation. (Please notice that I did say "non-bullying.") Again, presenting it will require more than a few sentences. And I realize that you may have read similar comments that I posted in the forum.

When I was in the 8th grade, my parents sent me to a clinical psychologist because my grades had fallen and I was being picked on at school. (I must say, though, that I did not suffer the sort of physical bullying that i_like_1981, Fat Man, and other members of this forum experienced when they were in school.) The psychologist, who turned out to be abysmally incompetent (at least in my case), said I should take judo lessons. If he had been competent, he would have evaluated my lack of self-confidence and discovered that it was due to extremely poor body self-image on my part (i.e, being physically weak and not having a well-developed physique). The solution to this problem would have been simple: namely, to send me to a gym to work with a personal trainer on a bodybuilding program (which is exactly what I'm doing now as a middle-aged man). Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not knocking any of the martial arts. The problem with taking judo was that I had no need for it since I was only being verbally bullied; and, besides, it was not a bodybuilding activity.

I followed the "good" doctor's orders because I assumed that he knew what he was talking about. I wasn't interested in judo, but I viewed taking judo lessons as "medicine." (He didn't give me a choice.) That wouldn't have been too bad, and I possibly would have benefited from it. But the judo instructor my psychologist chose to send me to was a former university football player who, IMHO, could not relate to nonathletic boys. This is the lesson to be learned from this situation: Never send a sensitive teenage boy to a judo instructor who epitomizes machismo at its worst. This approach just doesn't work, folks.

In contrast to my health club (where all the personal trainers know and respect me because I work hard at bodybuilding), I always felt like an outsider in this judo instructor's dojo. Years later I would eventually learn why. Sam (not his real name) eventually promoted me to brown belt, but at the time I felt that I did not deserve this promotion. In fact, I felt like he was patronizing me. I felt like something was missing. Besides, he never took a personal interest in me, even though he knew that I had been referred to him by a psychologist. By the spring of my junior year in high school, I decided that the charade had gone on long enough; so, I quit. I half-expected Sam to protest, but I never heard from him.

Eight years later I visited Sam at his home. He made some rather interesting unsolicited comments. The first was this: "Earl (not my real name either), I saved you from homosexuality." SAY WHAT? That s funny; I thought you could not save someone from something he didn't even want to do unless it was about to be forced upon him against his will. I had never had any homosexual desires. The very idea is a vile insult.

Do you realize why Sam said this? The reason why he made this outlandish statement is because he STEREOTYPED me from the very first day he saw me. When I had the misfortune to meet this jerk, he saw a physically weak boy who had no interest in sports, a boy who lacked self-confidence and had never been in a fistfight, a boy who liked to read books. So, because of these facts, I had to have had homosexual tendencies; right? No! WRONG!

He then went on to say that only athletes and men in certain blue-collar professions were "real men." He even started dissing Dr. Andrei Sakharov, who was a hero of mine -- an iminent Soviet physicist ("the father of the Soviet H-bomb") who had become a courageous human rights activist. He said he really wasn't all that courageous. Undoubtedly, he viewed Dr. Sakharov as a "pencil-necked geek." Well, Dr. Sakharov had more courage (and compassion) in his little finger than Sam did in his entire misshapen body (beer belly).

The year before I had come across a hateful book written by a sociology professor (a woman) who denounced "feminized males" as inferior people who supposedly were a threat to society. Still alive today, she considers all boys who lack an interest in sports to be "feminized." (Of course, her ideal of masculinity just happens to be jocks. I take that back. She considers some sports to be superior to others.)

Incidentally, Sam saw for himself that I had a scrawny build; yet he never told me that I could do something about it by taking up bodybuilding. That wouldn't have contradicted his machismo any. What a jerk.

I could say more, Nick. But for now I'll let you reflect upon the ramifications of this mindset and what role it plays in certain interpersonal interactions among boys and men.
Earl

In response to Nick:

No, Buckhorn is even worse!

When you open the can, it smells like old wet tar paper torn off a shit-house roof!

I only drink Amber Bach Dark Lager or Shiner Bohemian Black Lager, the good stuff.

Buckhorn is the beer of low-life redneck scum-bag sports fans who live in single-axle trailer homes who beat the Hell out of their wives and kids when their favorite football team loses the big game of the season, and also twice daily and thrice on Sundays after coming home from church, and rape their daughters, and screw the pooch, give the golf fish and parakeet cause for alarm.

That's who drinks Buckhorn beer.

But then, you should know from personal experience.

Isn't the right, Bubbah!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

And also, what's Buckhorn beer? Is it a beer with a bad reputation like Natural Ice?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I suppose I shouldn't point out how few good sports player go on to pro leagues, should I? I forget, but there was a statistic showing that your child is more likely to be autistic than a pro footballer, more likely to be a published author, or a singer, etc. I can't find it though.

Also, this was a nice attempt at conversation, however your insults ruined it. Please, try again though. I like where this is going.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

In response to Nick:

I tried G Mail, and it sucks. When I reply to anyone with a G Mail address it bounces back.

So, I can only receive E-mails from G Mail, but I can't replay to anyone on G Mail.

So, that's another suggestion you can shove up your ass sideways!

Now,concerning religion.

Here is a video from ABC NEWS NIGHTLINE.

Don McLeroy The Creationist in Charge of Education in Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGmli0YI1WI

I downloaded the original version, and then up-loaded it to my own YouTube channel and added my own annotations to the video.

Here is the link to my channel.

Science Wins! Creationism Loses! We have the fossils! WE WIN!
http://www.youtube.com/user/BigFatMan1951

And if you go to the OFF TOPIC section of our forums, you'll notice many topics I have posted with links to NEWS articles concerning science, religion and politics.

I know you can't post there anymore, but as a guest you can read the forum posts.

So, keep your fucking mouth shut, and your eyes and ears open, and you might learn something!

Oh! And by the way . . . . .

I was up all night working on my IncrediMail problem.

When I tried to delete some spam on my E-mail, simply clicking on the mail from a particular Yahoo Group caused my Incredimail program to lock up.

I have now unsubscribed to that Yahoo group so I won't be receiving any more E-mails from them.

Over the past few days, I have had to unsubscribe to 7 different Yahoo groups because I was sick and tired of the spam, but the spam I received from a group last night was the worst, because it had some kind of malicious software that cause my Incredimail to lock up.

So, I had to shut down and then reload my Incredimail, and then delete the entire contents of my In Box in order to delete the spam and I ended up losing the more valuable E-mails from Newsletters I subscribe to just so I could get rid of the worthless spam.

So, I had to throw away the good stuff along with the trash.

That's almost like having sports in our schools.

The lives of good students gets ruined by the jocks while low-life scum-bag jocks are put up on a pedestal, and the rest of us are forced to bow and scrape and lick their boots.

Well, NOT me! NO FUCKING WAY!!!

If you like to lick boots and suck jock cocks, then enjoy yourself and your pathetic little life.

It must really suck to be you!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Also, you may just want to get a GMail, far superior.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

So, you just hate a different religion from your own because of what some people in the organisation may have said (You didn't link any sources.)

And also, I don't even know what buckhorn beer is.

And why are you being so hostile?
Nick
MA US

Oh! And one more thing Nick you prick!

My IncrediMail is fucked up!

I can't get my E-mails anymore!

Yeah! I'm a US citizen, but I can't get my own mails anymore!

So, I might aw well be living in a dictator ship.

But while I still have a little bit of freedom of speech left, I'm going to use it to tell you to . . . . .

EAT SHIT AND DIE!!!

OK???
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

In response to Nick:

You ask me what I have against the Catholic Church.

Can you say, Inquisition???

And the Catholic Church still has an anti-science attitude. The Pope, or I should say, the Poop is against stem cell research, against developing a vaccine to protect against AIDS, and against the use of condoms that could prevent the spread of AIDS or prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Here in Texas, our State Board of Education, actually, Indoctrination, has recently voted on school textbooks that will be used for the next 10 years.

Don MacLeroy, and some of his fellow right wing Funny-mentalist Christards members of the State Board of Indoctrination wat to have Thomas Jefferson removed from the history text, to be replaced by John Calvin, a 16th century religious fanatic who had people tortured to death.

It's not surprising that right-wing conservatards would admire John Calvin when you consider that the Bush administration tortured war prisoners by water-boarding.

Also, these Funny-mentalist Christards wish to insert their Creationist fairy tales into science textbooks.

And then, you wonder why I'm down on religion.

The quality of education has been steadily declining over the years, and our schools care more about athletics than academics.

And you wonder why I say FUCK THE USA!

Now you know.

Also, I don't want any more suggestions from you on how to solve my computer problems.

Not unless you're willing to send me a check for a few hundred dollars so I can follow your suggestions.

Otherwise, here is my suggestion to you.

Take a dirty old sweat sock, stuff it in your mouth, put duct tape over your mouth, and pour your cheap Buckhorn beer up you ass and . . . . .

SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Q.) What's the difference between acne and a Catholic priest?

A.) Acne usually comes on a boy's face after he turns 12.

...I'll give you that, Fat Man. That's pretty good.

Sorry for the rapid fire posts, I'm posting as I read.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Haha, wow. I'm reading through the fallout after my banning a bit. You guys really hated me, huh?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And hey Fat Man, do you actually like me? You seem to compliment me fairly often, albeit while talking to other people, and not me.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I never had a quarrel with you, either. In fact I was rather surprised at some of the angry posts I received earlier this year.

However, I think that what you pointed out just further strengthens my argument. The bigger someone is, the less likely they are to be picked on. If I were bullying you, I wouldn't look for your strengths; I'd make fun of your weaknesses. If you don't like something that most people do like, that's a weakness in the eyes of others. As such, I can exploit that weakness for my enjoyment. I m not going to exploit that weakness, though, if I know you could fight back.

I have a story to share, here. I'm a little over weight (Not morbidly obese, though, thank god. Some fricken' Wales (Get it? Like the country or state or province or whatever you brits call them there, you are a brit right? I ll assume that for the rest of this, as I am reasonably sure you said that at one point.) at my school.) Anyways, this kid would make fun of me for being overweight every day. One time, he got a bad grade. I made fun of him for it and he cried. Later, the principle asked me if I had a soul, and I laughed at her, because it was genuinely funny, but that's a story for another time.

My point is, if someone wants to pick on you, they're going to exploit what's different; and they're only going to pick on you if they're reasonably certain they can take you on in a fight, or that they have friends who can.

And you know what activities draw big people? Sports, simply because big people are generally more useful, and as I ve already said, a lot of people who are bigger can be mean, because they have no one who can put them in their place. This doesn't mean that you have to play sports to bully; after all, I've been bullied before by a kid who doesn't play sports. (We're sort-of-bros now, which is weird. Strange how things turn out, eh?) It also doesn t mean that you re a bully if you re big. It just means that -you can get away with it- more easily.

So basically, as you pointed out, the big gay kid didn't get picked on, because everyone knew he could fuck them up literally (Joke, I couldn't resist.) and figuratively.

Bullies will bully, regardless of who someone is, if they know they can get away with it. Be honest, if you were a little 5' tall kid and a big 6 foot kid comes over and says, "Gimme your lunch money, or I'll POUND YA," are you going to try and fight him, or are you going to give him your lunch money? Sadly, it is often the latter.

The sports industry is also the cause of fond family memories for many. A large amount of people can remember watching football on a Sunday night, or grilling up food for family and friends on Superbowl Sunday. I myself can remember chasing my brother s baseball team around my little red truck (You know, the electric powered ones? I can t remember the specific name.) after practices.
Bullying isn t caused by sports; it's caused by a lax disciplinary system in some schools. After all, do you honestly believe that any sports players would want to risk getting kicked off of their teams? In many schools, players are required to make up tests and class times missed for state and country wide tournaments, and have at least a C average (C here is supposed to be average, with B and A reserved for higher scorers, except on assignments and tests where it s the normal 70, 80, 90 range.) or else be kicked off of the team.
In my schools, bullying is generally met with suspension and detentions, so a lot of bullies get put in their place rather quickly, however, that was not always the case. As someone who has been on both sides of bullying, of course, I never got into fights or anything like that, I can tell you that sports are not the cause, not even really a major contributor, to bullying.

Something tells me I used way too many commas.

Nick
MA US

I consider your reference to my "perfectly worded essay" to be a compliment. Of course (as if I actually need to tell you this), I did type the first letter of your name; but when I highlighted the text of my message that I had typed up on a word processing composition page for the copying and pasting process, I lost the "N" somehow. Also, I've noticed that the copying and pasting process left out the quotation marks and hyphens. (I think I may have solved that problem now.) I had to write an essay because my views could (and cannot) by conveyed in a sentence or two, despite the frequent practice in board messaging.

I'm pleasantly surprised by your response. I half-expected a smart-alecky or snide remark. You ve shown by your compassionate response that you're a decent person -- in fact, more decent than I had previously believed. So, I give you credit for that. You've put me in a good mood. Many people -- including, unfortunately, many adults -- actually condone bullying. I concede that the problem of school bullying can be complicated. So, I won't say any more about bullying in this message, as I want to conclude this message after several more paragraphs.

I'm now 60 years old, which means that I have been able to make certain observations over the years. One particular observation is about the negative stereotype of nonathletic boys and men that is closely associated with machismo. If you've already read similar comments of mine in the forum, please excuse.

First of all, the notion that boys who don't like sports are "fags." Over the years I ve been able to make the observation that in BOTH the homosexual as well as the heterosexual male population there are superficial characteristics that range from physical ruggedness to "effeminate" mannerisms, such as tone of voice. I've known heterosexual guys who spoke with a slight feminine twang, but either had or were growing up to be competent men who would get married and have children. On the other hand, there are gay men who are quite rugged; and gay men have always participated in sports (including rough contact sports), just as they've participated in just about every other human endeavor. About eight years ago a former NFL player named Esera Tuaolo, who had once played in a Super Bowl game, came out of the closet and admitted that he had been gay ever since he was a very young boy. A friend of mine who graduated from high school in 1969 told me last year that the biggest and strongest boy in his senior class was definitely homosexually active. Even though he was "queer," no one dared to bully him because, needless to say, he was quite capable of defending himself and had the physical strength to retaliate.

I've long resented the notion that nonathletic boys who don't like sports are wimps somehow. Wimps -- that is, moral cowards -- come in all sizes and shapes and come from different backgrounds. My best friend had an athletic background but later became a wimp. I don't know if you've read any of my posts on Raoul Wallenberg, who was one of the greatest heroes of World War II and of the past century. If you haven't done so, do a Google search on him and read about him at referenced websites. He was a mild-looking (but extremely courageous) man who, in the words of his half-sister, "detested competitive team sports" -- meaning, of course, that he had no interest in them. This man was not exactly a wimp, I'd say. There have been many courageous men who didn't like sports.

I'd also say that I probably don't have much of a quarrel with you. I'm sorry that our exchange on the forum earlier this year didn't end up like this exchange here. Thanks again for the pleasant surprise.
Earl

On a lighter note, no matter how much you all hate sports, you must admit that anime and -most- japanese video games are far worse.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Hah, write a huge perfectly worded essay and forget the first letter.

I agree that Fat Man and 1981 should be bitter, hell, they should -hate- the people who made their lives miserable. However, how is it sports' fault? Instead of placing the blame where it belongs, namely the shitty teachers and the kids who bullied them, they're blaming sports as a whole. If I were a teacher and I asked a mentally retarded kid the hardest questions in the class, and the normal kids the easiest, and did nothing when the other kids made fun of him, it would be just as bad.

Sports are not the root of all evil, bad teaching and refusing to support the victims are, and by blaming it on sports, they're ignoring the true problem in their schools.

I've said I'm not interested in sports on many occasions. I have a friend who plays Lacrosse; I make fun of the sport all the time. No one cares. It isn't sports that are causing misery, it is bullying. And the fact that none of these members can see it is sad, although not surprising.

Look, for instance, at Fat Man's topic about how 'sports ruined his life' or some such. It should be 'How Bullying and a Lack of Support Ruined My Life, But instead, it's 'How Sports Ruined my Life.'

I agree that they've been through a lot, but they're misplacing blame.

Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Obviously, the first word should be "Nick," not "ick."
Earl

ick, you say that you came to our website because it was ridiculous. I assume that you re not necessarily calling each one of us ridiculous as individuals, especially considering that you know none of us personally -- because if you are, you re not exactly encouraging us to be civil to you.

You say that you came simply to argue that there is no reason to hate sports. Not like them? Sure. But hate them? Why? Just taken by itself without regard to your actual motivation for asking it, this is a fair question that deserves an answer. You could be trolling or trying to play some little online game with us, but I will assume that you are being sincere. If you were not sincere when all was said and done, that would mean that I was fooled by you. But the fact would remain that I acted in good faith and had a clean conscience, and the one who would actually look bad would be you. Needless to say, I cannot read your heart. Only you know the answer to that question.

I just wonder why you feel the need to defend sports. Are sports unpopular? Is the place of sports in society and in our culture threatened in any way? So, the question that comes to my mind is why you would even care that some people hate sports? What impact do such people have in your life? Now, if you are one of those people who feel that sports is sacred or that sports defines them as guys, then I would understand why you would bother with us. There are websites of various groups that are odious to me -- such as white supremacists, black racists, Communists, Holocaust deniers and other anti-Semites, and the John Birch Society. Do I waste my time visiting such websites to ask why they believe what they believe? Of course, not.

This may surprise you, but I don t apply the label anti-sports to myself. In fact, I think the word is a bit vague. There is a very real sense in which I am not against sports. I have a live and let live attitude and believe strongly in respecting others, regardless of their interests or backgrounds. As long as they don t try to impose their personal preference upon me or upon others who aren t interested in sports, I have no trouble with people who enjoy sports either as a participant or as a spectator. If I had a teenage son who wanted to play football in high school, I would support him (with reservations). Two of my closest friends played football in high school, and one of them played football at the university where he earned his degree in sociology. They are rugged but sensitive men who reject the machismo that is so often associated with that sport. I hold them both in high regard.

So, I m not a sports hater and won t allow myself to be called a sports hater. What I am, though, is a critic of the sports culture. Now, I recognize that different sports have different cultures associated with them. What I object to is the culture that is associated with (but is not inherently a part of) certain school sports, especially the very few that are the most popular. This, incidentally, is also Skul s position.

To explain my own position further, I need to comment on the mandatory sports-centric boys P.E. of my generation. Those who formulated school policy claimed that they were promoting physical fitness, but they were telling a hypocritical lie. The old P.E. was hellish for nonathletic boys, especially those who were physically weak or overweight. In my own experience, all of the P.E. teachers and coaches I had or ever heard about from my friends viewed nonathletic boys with either indifference or outright contempt. There was not even any mention of exercise programs or bodybuilding in these P.E. classes, despite the claim that physical fitness was being promoted.

Not only that, there usually was not even any instruction about the sports themselves. The assumption seems to have been made that all boys either were athletes or already knew how the games were played. When she was in high school, my older daughter had a calculus teacher who actually would not teach the class about calculus. She told the students in her class to teach themselves. Fortunately, my wife had taught calculus as a high-school math teacher; so, she was able to do the job for our daughter s sake that her teacher should have been doing. This teacher was fired by the end of the year. But phys ed coaches who would simply toss a ball and say, Go play, were not fired.

In my eighth-grade P.E. class I once was forced to play in a basketball game, never mind that I didn t even know how the game was played. Decades later my personal trainer at my health club would vary the workout routine in my bodybuilding program with exposure to a sport or two. He showed me how to shoot a basketball, which I had assumed was just the action of thrusting the ball towards the hoop. I was amazed to learn that shooting a basketball was actually a skill that involves certain finger and wrist movements that had to be practiced in order to master them. The point is that [i]this was never taught in any of my P.E. classes[/i]. So much for the education in physical education.

Nonathletic boys were frequently bullied in those classes; and in all school districts that continue to have the old P.E. instead of genuine fitness class, the bullying continues. I dare say that historically more bullying has taken place in sports-centric mandatory P.E. than in all the academic classes combined.

Two of the members of this forum, including FM, were forced to take mandatory P.E., [i]even though they were physically handicapped[/i]. Common sense dictated that they should have been exempted, but they were not. FM had received a permanent injury to one of his knees in a car wreck when he was four years of age. He could not run and could walk with only a limp. The other member lacked depth of perception because he was born with an eye defect. Both of them were humiliated by more athletic classmates in their P.E. classes, and none of the coaches cared.

Incidentally, the member who had the visual problem eventually retaliated against the jock who had been bullying him for months or even years by slamming his head against the nearest wall. Guess whom the coach punished? Why, the victim of bullying, of course! After all, the bully was a jock; and his victim was just a nonathlete.

One of our other members was not physically handicapped, but had a scrawny build. Again, was any bodybuilding instruction or any exercise program ever taught in any of his P.E. classes? No, of course not. They were only about sports. His P.E. class was divided into two teams to play a game of cricket. His team lost, and one of his teammates walked over to him when the game was over and smashed his face with a cricket bat, breaking his nose. Instead of being sent to a juvenile detention for committing this crime, the perpetrator was merely suspended for a few days, which no doubt was like a holiday to him. When he returned to the school, he showed his repentence by shoving our member into a locker. If someone walked up to you on a street and smashed your face with a baseball bat, you would see him in court. But because this crime happened in a P.E. class and because the perpetrator had athletic talent, no one cared. Same reaction as in the paragraph above.

Are you honestly going to say that these guys should not be bitter about what happened to them? Do you honestly expect such guys to have a great love for sports?

Whoever came up with the old P.E. must have really hated nonathletic boys. Not only were they frequently humiliated and bullied in such classes, but they were discouraged from becoming physically active years later. I ve read a number of posts from middle-aged nonathletic guys who ve said this was true in their lives. So, they were bullied when they were kids and were discouraged from becoming physically active as grown men. This is the way to promote physical fitness in the schools? Give me a break.

I ve read comments by sports fans at other websites that nonathletic boys should be forced to take mandatory sports-centric P.E. even when they are bullied. Why should I respect this point of view? This is coercion. Sports should be a form of recreation, not a weapon used by bullies against those who have no interest in sports.

Nonathletic boys who have no interest in sports frequently have their masculinity questioned. Again, I ve known this from my own personal experience. Aside from that, a childhood friend of mine who played football in high school in the late 1960s told me that most of his teammates had looked down on all the nonathletic guys at their school as being inferior. Last year a formerly active member of this forum, a decent kid who was playing football at his high school and was a critic of this website, admitted that most of his teammates viewed the nonathletic guys at their school as fags. Why should I respect guys who have such ignorant, bigoted attitudes, Nick?

I could go on with this, but my message is already quite long. This should begin to answer your question. There s even more that I could say, but I ve written more than enough for now.
Earl

Also, Fat Man, I have a couple questions...

Why do you hate Catholics? What has the religion done to you?

Also, why do you hate America? Every so often you type in all caps that you hate this country. In one post you even said you hate the country for giving you money, but not enough money.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I came to this website for the same reason most people visit websites. If you see something ridiculous, you check it out. Other forums I've checked out were otherkin.org (Which is hilarious, by the way. I totally reccomend it.)

I also came to this website because it's interesting. And to be honest, Fat Man probably played a decent part in me deciding to visit. However, I expected a lot of the stuff he said to be exaggerated. I was honestly surprised at how quickly he flamed. When I visited the forum, believe it or not, I came simply to argue that there is no reason to hate sports. Not like them? Sure. But hate them? Why?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Hi, Nick. I don t know where you got the idea that I was blaming the entire 4chan board for the trolls who raided our forum earlier this year. Nowhere did I specifically make that claim. I addressed the 4channers in a thread that I posted here simply because it was from among their members that the raiders came. During perusals of their sports board, I noticed that several of the members actually posted with the message that FM should be left alone; and one of their members even complimented me, which compliment I consider to be an honor.

No, no, no, Nick. I was NOT saying that YOU would have displayed FM s contact info. My criticism was directed ONLY at those who actually did it.

Well, I must agree with you that your initial reception wasn t handled well. After being besieged by trolls who wanted to shut our website down, we weren t exactly in the best of moods. But you re right; your stance on school bullying was misrepresented. (However, if I remember correctly, you did mock bullied kids who had committed suicide. More compassion is called for with regard to this issue, since at least some suicides are linked to mental illness.) I do recognize that some kids make themselves unpopular by ridiculing other students. My younger daughter had such a classmate in one of her classes at the high school from which she graduated -- with honors, too, I m proud to say. (As a dad, I m permitted to brag about my kids because they re actually better human beings than I was at their ages. :) ) The boy was pompous and frequently ridiculed other classmates; so, yes, he eventually got bullied. But most kids who are bullied in schools definitely don t ask for it. These are the kids who mind their own business -- who are shy, lack self-confidence, too studious (!), or aren t sufficiently macho in the willfully ignorant view of some. I also agree that blackdog4444 attacked you immediately without asking you to clarify your position. She assumed you to be an enemy of this website. I wish that you had said this months ago.

I agree that this forum is not exactly friendly to all sports fans. Even the creator of this website did not intend to have such a forum. (If I had created a website of my own to provide criticism of the sports culture, it definitely would have been less in your face and more conciliatory; and it also probably would have been boring.) But was your intention a friendly one? Would you subject any sports board (of which there are too many to count) to the same standard as the one to which you have subjected our forum?

I don t mean to be unfriendly, but the question remains as to why you came to this website. (Before I continue, please remember that I did not set up this website. That fact is significant.) I check the home page, and I find no claim that the purpose of this website is to provide a forum for debate. The forum really is a ranting board. Yes, some of the members aren t friendly. But, after all, the home page says Welcome, Sports Haters! -- not Welcome, Sports Haters and Anyone Who Wishes To Defend the Sports Culture! I will say this, though: Until the raid by the 4chan trolls, critics of this website (including abusive ones, such as Samdaman) had been allowed to submit posts for a lot longer than is permitted at other websites. Incidentally, even after the troll raid, SPORTSROCK (who definitely was a hostile critic of this website) was allowed to post as long as he wanted. He was even allowed to get Sergey s goat, which he most decidedly did.

Apparently, I and other members of this forum are willing to continue to have a dialogue with you here in the Guestbook.

Incidentally, to avoid the hassle of writing a long message in the small rectangular message box of the Guestbook, I wrote this long message on a word processing composition page; and then I copied and pasted my message in said rectangular box.
Earl

Nick wrote: "(Also, Protip: If you do not want to be subscribed to things you hate, do not give out your email in public.)"

I would like to caution members not to flame someone who has given out his or her email address in public. After all, certain TROLLS might be using fake email addresses. *eye-roll*
RFan

Fat Man, actually, many problems can. My new printer was about 40 dollars, and it comes with a scanner just like yours. I was simply trying to help you. I'm trying to be civil here, if it is your wish to continue the name calling and 'verbally rip me apart,' then let it be known that it was your own choice, however, as I've shown in the past, if you wish to start a battle of words, do not be surprised when I am just as apt to say cruel things back.

I am trying to have a civil dialog with the more moderate members of your website. If you truly wish to give me reasons why sports are the root of all the evil in the world, then the floor is open. Now, are you going to show us all some of your fabled intelligence and give me a true reason, or resort to petty insults as you often do?

Plus, there are about 40 NFL teams and about as many Baseball, Hockey, and Basketball teams. At most, they employ several thousand players. Other than that, they support many fitness specialists who would possibly be without jobs were they not employed there. They also support the myriad workers who supply food and drink, and clean up stadiums after a game. They also support plastic and textile workers, because where do you think they get their helmets and uniforms? Are you honestly telling me the world would be a better place without all these jobs?

(Also, Protip: If you do not want to be subscribed to things you hate, do not give out your email in public.)
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Now Earl, I think, and just listen to me here, that you are blaming the whole of 4Chan, a board which has hundreds of thousands of posts each day, (seriously, in /b/, try to start a thread and if you do not get a post within about two seconds, you're gone.), for the actions of two hundred individuals at most.

Do you think that I would have given Fat Man's contact details away? No, I would have at most played with the idea for a few minutes and then discarded it.

And as for getting rid of Sergey, I am glad... He was a pretty bad troll. However, far too often members of this site flame mercilessly. Look at my welcome when I first joined the board. First, members quote-mined me (a tactic which they often accuse 'trolls' of doing), in order to falsely accuse me of saying all victims of bullying deserve it, when I was actually saying that most of the kids shunned by the rest of my school community were quite rude and unkind themselves. The vicious cycle of the denizens of this board attacking new members in order to make sure they're radical enough (sort of like in the French Revolution, except they killed people, instead of just fantasizing about it.) Blackdog, in an effort to preserve her mystique of the girl who doesn't conform to social norms, attacked me. Other members of your site would post insults but never speak (or type) to me directly. As well, I've seen anti-gay, anti-conservative, and anti-religion remarks. All of these were rather cruel.

I wrote this in a hurry, and the text box is small so it's annoying to try and reread my writing. If I left anything out, feel free to ask or respond.

For a board that prides itself on its love of friendly debate, I've seen very little.

(http://www.cracked.com/funny-2724-trolls/ is a good index for the different types of trolls, and has some laughs in it to boot.)

Nick

In Response to Nick:

How do you know how much printing I do?

I'm not some moron who only uses a computer to go to sports web sites to look at the pictures.

So, don't presume to know what I need or don't need!

And unlike most drooling morons, I'm not made of money!

Here in the USA, we see more and more intelligent people forced to live in poverty while drooling morons have most of the money because they chase balls.

You're a moron!

You think all problems can be solved by buying our way out of them!

So, shut the fuck up!

Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Nick, there's another comment I'd like to make in addition to those that I made below just minutes ago. And this is not a criticism of you.

As rude as FM can be, there's something that he would never do to you or anyone else. If he had your full name, your mailing address, and your phone number, he would never post them on a webpage (as some of the 4chan trolls did at the Encyclopedia Dramatica website) that invited Internet trolls to harass you on the phone and otherwise wreck mischief. I've done some research and may have discovered Samdaman's true identity, yet I've never shared (and never will share) this information with anyone at this website simply because that would be wrong and unethical.

I'm not trying to pat us on the back. I'm just trying to help you have a little perspective. As a website we're no big deal, anyway. We're just a very small group of people who talk (mostly) to each other.
Earl

Hi, Nick.

If you're willing to scroll the Guestbook back to around the beginning of January, you'll see that when Sergey started flaming Andy and Tony (who were two respectful critics from the gridironplace website) with vile insults, I urged him to calm down; and I invited the two of them to post in the forum. Later in a forum topic when Sergey was having a heated exchange with another critic who wasn't as polite, Skul told him to calm down. Sergery no longer posts here in large part, I suspect, because I didn't support his flaming. He probably ended up resenting me.

On previous occasions I was reticent to criticize FM because I felt sorry for him, and the reason I felt sorry for him was because of the very hard and traumatic time he had growing up. I still feel sorry for him, but I'm more likely to object to his comments. I can only do so much,though, because this is not my website; I didn't set it up.

But even with all this said, there's something I should point out to you: This website is not exactly unique, as far as rude messaging is concerned. You will find it all over the Internet. Surely you've seen it yourself. Comes with the territory, unfortunately.
Earl

What I was attempting to ask was why the members of this board at the very least tolerate, and sometimes encourage Sergey's uninspired trolling efforts, yet are angry when they are, themselves, trolled. You haven't had many true trolls. A lot of them seem to be driven to it after being attacked by Fat Man. I know I was.
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Also, 1981, did you discover that part of my 'About Me' section after I pointed it out in the guestbook? Or did you figure it out on your own? If you did, mad props bro.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Fat Man, I'm trying to be civil with you here. No tit for tat, please.

I was honestly trying to help you out there. If you keep XP, especially a pirated, un updated version from five years ago, you're going to be getting a LOT of viruses. Firefox (Ha, Chrome for the win.) can't protect you from everything. Besides, what do you do that you really need to print much anyways?

Not to mention how much nicer looking and easier to use W7 is than XP. Honestly, the upgrade was the best thing I've ever done.

Plus, if you want to play any of the more modern games (think COD: Modern Warfare, onwards.) Vista and W7 handle it better than XP.

So yeah, come on Fat Man, let's be civil here. Pip pip!
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Thank you, Nick.

I never said that your true signature insulted any member of the forum. I would never deny that FM has been rude sometimes. Although we're personal friends, he and I frequently don't see eye to eye. Many of the critics of this website assume that we all think alike. That isn't so. We're quite capable of disagreeing amongst ourselves.

If I understand your last question, I think your reception as a sports critic would depend upon the website forum's members. Some are completely unreasonable, of course. Others are reasonable. Believe it or not, I once got a positive reception at www.thegridironpalace.com. (albeit not from being confrontational, but simply trying to show that some people on our side were reasonable and conciliatory). I think there is intolerance on both sides, although the sports side has a lot more power in most (but not all) situations. Don't know if that answers your question.

I appreciate this dialogue with you so far. You're showing a modicum of respect, and you're not playing games. We never "hated" you, Nick. (At least most of us didn't.) We just thought you were being disrespectful and were deliberately trying to be irritating. But this dialogue right now is fine.
Earl

In Response to Nick:

Quote:
"And Fat Man, dude, a little personal advice on the computer issue: Windows 7 is miles better than XP. If you keep XP, you're more likely to get viruses as they've stopped updating it permanently. And also, you've just gotta let it change. Get a new printer, printers are much cheaper now and better too. It'll all work out okay, don't worry bro."
End Quote:

Get a new printer? FUCK THAT!

It's a perfectly good HP Officejet J4580 All-in-One, a combination Printer, Copier, Scanner, and FAX.

It's less than 2 years old and had been working just fine! Why should I throw away a perfectly good office machine? I can't just come up with a hundred dollars or more for a new one and throw a perfectly good one away.

I don't have that kind of money! What do you think I am? A football player or a dope dealer???

Eventually I did get my Officejet to work. I had to format my C:Drive and re-install my Windows 7 again so that the new downloaded software would work.

So, fuck you!

Sorry, but Windows 7 sucks! I'm having nothing but problems with it. I can run Google Earth on Windows 7 and the free version of my GIF animator won't run on Windows 7. No I have to pay $39 dollars to register the newest version that will run.

And I'm in a bad mood right now.

Today, my IncrediMail screwed up on me, so I had to use a program called Final Uninstall which completely uninstalls
any program because it also gets rid of the registry files for a complete uninstall, then I was able to re-install as if it were a new program being installed for the first time.

But I can only un-install up to 3 programs. I'll have to pay $20 dollars to register the program if I want to use it anymore.

There is a lot of things I can't do anymore on Windows 7 that I was able to do on Windows XP.

Microsoft should be renamed MicoSCAM!!!

I wonder what else I can't do anymore!

So, you don't know what the fucking Hell you're talking about!

FUCK YOU!!!
Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Also, one last question then I'm going to bed, if I were to have called out fanatics in the 'sports debate', but on a pro-sports website, (pretending to hate sports for some reason), would I have been nearly as hated on this site by some members?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Also, a question, how did my true signature insult a member of the board?

If I remember correctly, I just quoted Fat Man insulting me and said something about "attempts at intelligent conversation with the board's biggest contributor."
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Not the most notorious, you say? Damn Samdaman. Well, I try.

Merry christmas to you too, Earl.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>

I don't mind at all, i_like_1981. I was tempted to respond to Nick myself.

No, Nick, you're definitely not the most notorious character who's ever posted in the forum of this website. I don't know what to make of you. Merry Christmas to you.
Earl

Hi Nick. I'm probably not going to be liked by the rest of the forum members for responding to your message, but in my opinion, you're not the most notorious character that has ever appeared on this website.

"By the way, I'm cool with you getting me banned, I_Like_1981, I wasn't really feeling that troll character anyways."

No problem. I suppose in that sense, I did you a favour. You were wasting your own time pretending to be a character you weren't keen on and you were wasting our time by pretending to be someone you're not.

Also, you do realise that you mentioned the word "Turudes" in one of your posts on the forum using your original account? Don't believe me, go and search for the term "Turudes" and you'll see where you slipped up.

"So, here I am. I caught myself up on what's going on. I see you've already found a replacement for me. How's that going?"

I think you might be referring to wibberley in this sentence but I'm not sure. Nonetheless, he's fine now, and has been reinstated on the forum thanks to me sending him an email via his banned account and building up a dialogue.

"Also, I see that you thought it might be me posting as some other /b/tard because he posted a cracked link."

I think this is referring to SensibleSportsman. That was months ago - you must have been doing a lot of reading. Nonetheless, I'd need to see more than just a Cracked link to suspect you were on the forum again doing your usual business. I just saw it as a coincidence.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

By the way, I'm cool with you getting me banned, I_Like_1981, I wasn't really feeling that troll character anyways. But yeah, I'm serious, I'd like to hear from you all. I see you still talk about me a lot. Figgered I'd stop by and chat. I was playing Minecraft, and nobody else on my server was on anymore, so I figured why don't I check out this place? Mite b cool.

So, here I am. I caught myself up on what's going on. I see you've already found a replacement for me. How's that going?

Also, I see that you thought it might be me posting as some other /b/tard because he posted a cracked link. (Cracked's a popular site, you should check it out. Pretty hilarious, actually.)

And Fat Man, dude, a little personal advice on the computer issue: Windows 7 is miles better than XP. If you keep XP, you're more likely to get viruses as they've stopped updating it permanently. And also, you've just gotta let it change. Get a new printer, printers are much cheaper now and better too. It'll all work out okay, don't worry bro. ;)
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
Lexington, MA US

Sooooo... Just checkin' in. How's everyone doin'? I'm doing well. Still hate me or we all cool now?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>

if i didn't know better, i swear that was me that wrote the introduction on your home page. i did not know there were any like minded indviduals such as yourselves.
there is nothing worse than sports in this world, except for one thing. that is people talking about sports. i hate it above measure.
thank you for making my day. keep up the good work...
lewis chappel <patch1157@yahoo.com>

Casey, your parents were absolutely wrong. But don't let them get you down. Show them how wrong they were by being successful in spite of their delusion. Living well is the best revenge.
Earl

Sports ruined my childhood. With parents convincing you that the only way to make friends and become a successful person in life is through playing sports that you hate. I hate sports and I hate practice. HATE!
Casey

I agree with almost everything on this website; however, it's not ALL sports that are inherently retarded and money-making scandals: only the competitive, corporate-owned ones like baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc that are plastered all over the television and in society. I find non-competitive sports that actually teach you how to be an individual and creative and not just another face of a unit to be exhilirating. I do parkour because it's really, really fun, not because I'm trying to be better than anyone. It also helps keep me in peak shape. And the good thing about non-competitive sports is that you can't really brag to other people, and those who are better than you can't really brag either because WHO CARES? There's no pressure, nobody screaming down your neck to do something the "right" way. That's what sports should be: things you actual take part in (not just watch like the fat bastards who "suit up" to watch the Broncos of Colts on Sunday afternoons), are fun, non-competitive, and teach you how to be unique in your own way; not just another drone.
yami <lilshaw1212@yahoo.com>
Chicago, IL United States

In response to HugeFanOfBadReligion:

Whoops!

I guess I sort of jumped the gun on that post.

Well, I was very tired last night when I posted a response to that one.

I must not have been thinking clearly.

Sorry!

Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Fat Man, again, I believe you're arguing with a person who is on your side. I think you misread his comment. He's not saying that he thinks sports are more important than saving lives, he's saying that society thinks that sports are more important than saving lives, but he disagrees with this view that society takes.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

In response to Bryce Mullins:

Tell me Jimbo! How does sports save lives?

Having sports shoved down my throat when I was in school only served to ruin my life.

So, to all those sports fans and coaches who tried to shove sports down my throat . . .

Take your sports and shove it up your ass!

Then pull it out again and suck on it!!!

OK???
Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Apparently, society says Sports > Saving lives.
Bryce Mullins <bmullins0118@gmail.com>
Mt. Zion, IL USA

Hi, i_like_1981. Well, the "big JIM" episode has regretfully been brought to a close. How shall we categorize our departed guest? He certainly wasn't abusive and insulting, which is the case for most of the critics of this website who actually post here. I'd say that he was an Internet clown. And I thought your concluding comment here was funny, too; and so did Mrs. Earl. (And I think you're right, too.) I now regret that I took myself so seriously and suggested that he join the forum or leave. I've changed my mind. I shall NOT delete his messages, but shall leave them for all posterity to see. As a matter of fact, if he does change his mind and return, I won't mind.

I had suspected that either you or HugeFan was the "JIM" imposter. I certainly didn't mind. After all, I seriously considered impersonating him myself. I should have done it. It would have been fun. Such is life on the Internet. Earlier someone impersonated ME on the Guestbook webpage.

This particular episode did have a humorous aspect to it. Send in teh clowns ...
Earl

Sports are for brain dead morons who are the typical everyday american!! boooo two thumbs down
steve <walton95920@yahoo.com>
chico, ca usa

I thought he wouldn't accept your invite to the forum either. That term "intelligent debate"... an incredibly alien concept to our friend JIM here. Let him run along back to his hot chicks and cold beer, but based on his incessant need to keep hounding this guestbook for two months now, they don't seem to be keeping him busy enough. Either that, or my suspected reason for all this is correct... they DON'T EXIST.

And while I'm here, I'll have you know that it was me who was the "JIM" imposter from earlier. Why not?

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Makes me kinda sad in a way ...
Earl

Good luck to you.

(I wonder what he expected or wanted to find here.)

Sincerely,
Earl

PLEASE, delete away. I've lost interest anyway. As for the forum? Never been there and really have no interest. C'ya.
JIM

I hate sports a lot! I cant stand them at all why are sports on tv so much? always freakin sports! why not air something different for the world to see? try and make our nation a bit more intelligent! I HATE ALL SPORTS!!!
Phil
Baton Rouge,

Yeah, I really can't stand the fact that colleges and high schools are spending more money on new sporting equipment, than in the academic department. It's pretty disgusting. Nice site you have here.

I was always humiliated when people at school or people in my family would ask me stuff about sports and I'd just sit there, not knowing how to answer because I had never wasted all day watching a stupid game. Then I'd get made fun of, simply because I had better things to do with my time.

Sporting events are moneymaking scams. I can't believe how many people buy into that shit.

Luckily, I'm pretty sure the Broncos are losing their asses off this season, so I haven't heard too much of it.

Cheers, and peace from Denver, Colorado.
DredgeGolgari <dredgegolgari@gmail.com>
Denver, CO US

JIM, sorry; but I have to get serious. The show must NOT go on. There have been times when you were funny. (I've been goofy, too.) It was fun for a while, but now it's gotten to be boring. The Guestbook really is not the place for extended exchanges. The forum is the place where you can do what you want to do, unless (of course) you previously posted there (under a username other than "JIM") and were banned. Insofar as banning is concerned, the people who run this website have been quite tolerant of criticism of this website (at least for the most part) and have even put up with abusive posts. (Trolling and spamming, of course, are a different matter.) Assuming that you've not been banned, you would be more than welcome to voice your criticisms of this website in the forum, which is intended for that purpose.

If you don't respond to my request by Tuesday of next week, I will start deleting whatever Guestbook entries you make because, frankly, I'm bored with this routine now; and, besides, as I've said over and over again, the forum is the place to voice your objections to the website or to simply just have fun. If you were banned on a previous occasion, PLEASE TELL ME. If you have been banned, perhaps you can be unbanned; and you'll be able to post in the forum.

But like I've just said, if you don't even answer my question as to whether or not you were banned, come Tuesday of next week, I will start deleting your Guestbook entries. Your cooperation would be appreciated. Besides, you would have more fun in the Guestbook than you do here.

I'm bored with this stuff, buddy; I'm BORED.
Earl

Well, JIM, I think you came up short on that one. Come on! I'm 60 years old, and I've help raise two daughters.

Why don't you join the forum? Were you banned under a previous username? Come on, JIM!

While I've got your attention, let me tell you a little secret. You see, we Americans all live in what is called a pluralistic society. That means that there are many different groups of people who say all sorts of things about many different things. This means that there is the very real likelihood that you are going to be -- Can you handle this revelation? -- OFFENDED by what some people. *gasp* Is that really true? Well, I'm afraid it is. The only sort of society that will provide uniformity of opinion is a totalitarian dictatorship. There, as long as you're on the right side, you're not likely to hear anyone say something that is likely to offend you. So, unfortunately, we live in this really, really, really BIG country where there are all sorts of groups of people -- some big, some small, some very small (such as this website) -- who say all sorts of things. Some of the things that these people say may strike you as being strange or unusual or -- shall I say it? -- OFFENSIVE to you. Horrors! There's something called the Constitution that guarantees all this noisy discord that can be so annoying at times. Not only that, there's another big thing called the Internet. Why, there's a website for just about EVERY point of view. There's probably a website for people who believe the planet Earth is flat. I know it's terrible that some people have the nerve to make such outlandish statements; but, you know, it really is true. There are people out there who say things that you don't like to hear or that you *gasp* DISAGREE with. (Oh, say it ain't so, brother!) Well, life goes on; and we must make the best of things that we can. That means that there's this website where sports are not appreciated as much as other people appreciate them. Why, I've also heard something that I think is absolutely terrible and heartbreaking. At this website athletes and sports may not receive a favorable hearing. *gasp* THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, I TELL YOU! THIS IS TERRIBLE! THIS IS OBSCENE! THIS IS UNPATRIOTIC; AND, BESIDES, IT'S JUST NOT NICE!! *sob* The world MUST be a fair place, and EVERYTHING must get a fair hearing. If everything doesn't get a fair hearing, then I'm going to stamp my feet and go boo-hoo. But then I notice something strange. At politically liberal websites, conservatives and conservatism don't get a fair hearing. And at politcally conservative websites, liberals and liberalism don't get a hearing. HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE? you wonder to yourself. And then like a revelation from the blue it hits you: why, politically liberal websites are for liberals, not conservatives; and politically conservative websites are for conservatives, not liberals. NOW YOU GET IT! According to fearfully told rumors, there's this website, see, for people who don't ... I can hardly say this ... they don't ... they don't ... THEY DON'T LIKE SPORTS! Wow, whew! I didn't think that I'd ever be able to say that. It's so horrible! But, alas, it's true. There ARE evil people in the world who *gasp* just don't happen to share my interest in sports. But they're just as entitled to have their own website, just like all of the other STUPID, MISINFORMED, TERRIBLE, UNPATRIOTIC alleged "humans" who have BO. (That's short for "body odor.") Finally, though, the realization has dawned upon you that there is order in the world after all. This awful website is not a threat to you, after all. It's just one facet of the complicated mosaic that is reality. You're at peace with the world and with yourself. You realize that this website with the HORRIBLE name of "sportssuck" is just someone's opinion. So, you decide that you'll just pass them by; or you will join their forum and try to outdo Samdaman BY NAILING THEIR HIDES TO THE WALL!! Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

May you have tranquility in your soul -- sole? soul? Aw, who cares?
Earl

If sports-hatters "can't get no chicks" as you say, then how do you account for the fact that many sports haters are married with wives////////

'cuz they ain't never met no honey who can clog-step to Rocky Top faster then a suckegg-mule?
JIM

I can't speak for all the other members; but, seriously, when have I ever called sports players "idiots"? You would be hard put to find any post in which I've ever called any athletes idiots, because there isn't even a single one. I've never denigrated athletic achievement in my life. Mister JIM, my dear friend, you're making a big mistake if you think the members of this website's forum all think alike. Believe it or not, we have different points of view. That's quite common among human beings, you know. I suggest you register to post in the forum so you can get to know us personally. You'll get more interaction with the members if you start posting in the forum. Just think, you'd have the opportunity to argue with individual members. Perhaps you'd be able to nail the scalps of one or more of us to the wall, rhetorically speaking (of course). Come on, buddy. Do it. What holds you back? It would be fun! It would be better than leaving messages on this goofy Guestbook webpage.
Earl

pps, ya'll call sports players "idiots" but they must be perty smart to make millions of dollars doing nothing but "chasing little balls around".

BIG, BAD J-I-M
JIM

"...Chasing a little ball around".//////

Hey lady, you'd wet your pants if you went to bat in front of a major league pitcher. I played ball when I was younger and there was a pitcher who would make people's knees shake because of his awesome power and speed. He later played in the Big Leagues. He played for the S.F. Giants for a season or two before he retired about ten years ago. His name was Doug Henry. Try to show an ounce of respect or at least pretend to admire the natural born talent of a fellow human being. A major league pitcher is BORN, not MADE. Do you even realize how difficult it is to be drafted into the big leagues? It's about as difficult as trying to become a famous actor or a famous rock star. Hey, why don't you give Willie Mays a call and ask him about the good-old days of "chasing little balls around" you sports ignorant smart-ass!

ps, Willie Mays was a baseball player, in case you've never heard of him.
JIM

A "JIM" imposter typed, ///////"Im gonna go off and have a blast watching some buff dudes in tight pants manhandle each other over a little ball!"//////////////////////

Dude, you shouldn't break everything down to it's simplest level. Example, "Hey, I heard they spent millions of dollars building a rocket and then they shot it into space and landed on some stupid rock and then men in funny suits got out and floated around like a bunch of retards. They spent MILLIONS so that they could set up a flag that no one will ever see again".
JIM

JIM, your enthusiasm is contagious. WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT?
WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT?
Earl

WOOOOOO! Im gonna go off and have a blast watching some buff dudes in tight pants manhandle each other over a little ball! This is 2010 - thats how we spend our lives now! Big JIM and his chicks know how Saturday nights are meant to be spent - acting like a moron and possibly removing yourself from the gene pool through your own stupidity! GO, TEAM, GO!
JIM

S.F. GIANTS 2010 CHAMPS!!! WHOs STUPID NOW?!!!! HUH?!! WHOOOOOO STUUUUUUUUUPID NOOOOOOOOOOOOOW???!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(2010 WORLD CHAMP BIIIIIIIIG JIIIIIIIIIM!!!!!!)
JIM

And, HugeFan ... I like your comment, too. I think it's funny. :)
Earl

Ah, JIM, my friend, I'm so happy that you're enjoying yourself with your chosen form of entertainment, although I do think you should watch your drinking. I would never attempt to rob you of any of your enthusiasm. You enjoy watching sporting events; I enjoy working out at my health club, building up my physique -- slowly but surely. I've got hard pecs now, and I can clench them! I find your messages to be quite amusing.

"Sports hatters." Are those like mad hatters?

"Who the heck wants to look at some naked dude?" Why, the medical doctor who's giving him a physical, that's who.

Bye for now. (Remember, don't drive while drunk.)
Earl

Ughhh, my head is pounding like a freaking sledhammer. Our team KICKED the filthy Rangers ASS last night!! WE DID IT!!! GO GIANTS! I drank at least 30 beers and couldn't find my car for a few hours until my girlfriend told me a cop drove me home after getting into a fight at a bar. It's all worth it thouh. You sports hatters dont know what your missing!

Big JIM---WE KICKED THEY ASS!!!!
JIM

"I awready bougt about $300 dollars of Giants jerseys, caps"

You know, firewood is much cheaper.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Uh, "cut and paste" ring a bell? Anyway, the artwork that I tried to share is from a 20th century realist painter named Elvgren. He painted paintings for REAL MEN! He was way better then that Micheal Angelino dork who sculpted naked dudes. Who the heck wants to look at some naked dude? Not big JIM!
JIM

Aw, come on, Fat Man. You're not supposed to take Big JIM seriously. On second thought, maybe you're not.

"Sports-hatters," is that synonymous with "mad hatters"? JIM, JIM, JIM ... unfortunately, the wonderfully lengthy, supposedly genuine webpage that you have left for us does not serve as a link. I don't even know if it is possible to post links on this Guestbook webpage. Now, if you expect us to go to the trouble of typing ALL of those characters which supposedly represent a webpage ... well, I tell ya, I ain't gonna do it because it's too much work. But welcome back, anyway. BTW, "Happy, happy Halloween! Halloween, Halloween! Happy, happy Halloween! Silver Shamrock!"
Earl

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://curtisbaigent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/36.jpg&imgrefurl;=http://curtisbaigent.com/blog/%3Ftag%3Dgil-elvgren&usg;=__PnW5IMccDcQL3b-Ncl4KiBMbK-E=&;h=1256&;w=893&sz;=120&hl;=en&start;=52&zoom;=1&um;=1&itbs;=1&tbn;
Just to show ya'll that I also have good taste in art:

id=QNSXwN1lo_KogM:&tbnh;=150&tbnw;=107&prev;=/images%3Fq%3Delvgren%2Bart%26start%3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1
JIM

Hey little jimbo!!!

We really don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell!!! OK?

WOW! What a waste of money! So you spent $300 dollars on a bunch of sports garbage, Giants jerseys and caps, and lots of beer.

Well, you just go ahead and enjoy yourself swilling down that cheap Buckhorn beer until you pass out laying face down in your own puke!

Also . . . . .

If sports-hatters "can't get no chicks" as you say, then how do you account for the fact that many sports hatters are married with wives and raising kids? Eh?

OK, so you sports fans and jocks might get more chicks in high school, but it's usually the shallow-minded bubble-headed bimbos with the IQ of a steam iron. Then you end up getting married to cheap ugly trailer-trash sluts with missing front teeth, which explains why most of you redneck yokels prefer to make it with your young daughters instead after you have beaten your wives and screwed the pooch.

But sports hatters tend to be better educated, and married to a better class of women who make better mothers who raise the kid properly so their kids won't grow up to be losers who can only bag groceries after leaving high school.

Yeah, you sports fans and jocks get more dumb chicks in high school.

But sports hatters marry better women after going to college.

So, I hope you enjoy living out the rest of your life in your single-axle trailer home, married to a buck-tooth slut, swilling down that cheap Buckhorn beer until you're found dead at the age of 40 laying face down in your own puke.

Yeah! Have a good life!

Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Go Giants!!! My S.F. Giants are gonna go ALL THE WAY BABYYYYYYYY!!! WE'RE gonna KICK some seriuzzz AZZZZZZ!! I awready bougt about $300 dollars of Giants jerseys, caps, and not to mension TONS of COLD BEER!! Can't get no chicks with no cold beer!!! I feel sorry for you sports-hatters who can't get no chicks. No sports=no chicks! GO GIANTS!!!

Big JIM is here to WIN!!!!
JIM

In response to I_like_1981:

Yeah, maybe you're right.

I've become a bit cynical lately. And who can blame me?

Funny how so many sports fans and jocks think we're all fags and queers, when football has many homoerotic aspects to it.

Yeah! A bunch of guys running around in tight pants slapping each other on the butt!

Also, basketball is kind of light in the loafers!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I think he was saying that to point out the homoerotic overtones of rough contact sports and the irony that people who aren't interested in these sorts of games are often branded "queer", "gay" etc. I doubt he was insinuating anything about anyone here.

Best regards,
i_like_1981

In response to 6doublefive3two1:

[Quote]
"Is it possible that some guys subconsciously desire to be dominated or usurped by other males under the guise of 'teamwork'?"
[End Quote]

Only a sick and perverted masochist would have the desire to dominated or usurped by other males!

So, you're talking to the wrong crowd here!

FUCK OFF!

PACK YOUR GUCCI BAG AND HIT THE ROAD JACK!

AND DON'T COME BACK!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Is it possible that some guys subconsciously desire to be dominated or usurped by other males under the guise of "teamwork"?
6doublefive3two1 <carnesupremo@gmail.com>
Oceanside, Ca United States

You all need to download and install the Mozilla Firefox browser, and stop using Internet Explorer.

The Mozilla Firefox browser warns you when you are about to enter a web site that have a virus or malicious software.

I will never go back to using Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Yeah, I was suspicious of that link when I saw it, so I didn't go to the site. But thanks for the warning Fat Man.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Thank you, Fat Man! You've been very helpful. And you've been considerate of others.
Earl

Whoops!

Never mind!

I guess somebody deleted the post by George Steinbrenner.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

Do NOT go to the web site link posted by George Steinbrenner!

My Mozilla Firefox browser blocked my access to the page.

It gave me the following warning . . .

--------------------
Reported Attack Page!

This web page at www.shutupandbagmygroceries.on.nimp.org has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.

Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.
--------------------

Of course, I do have the option to proceed to the web site at my own risk, but I clicked on the button that said [Get me out of here] and tat took me to a Firefox page.

In response to George Steinbrenner:

OK Georgie BOY!!!

The jig is up!

I'm posting this warning to protect any other forum members from going to your fucked up web site!

You have some nerve pretending to be somebody who hates sports, and then setting up a web site that has malicious software on it.

You not a real sports hater! You just pretending! You're a rotten low-life jock collaborator.

Do you know what Concentration camp prisoners did to fellow prisoners who were really Nazi collaborators???

You don't want to know!

A person pretending to be one of us fellow sports haters, but who is in reality a jock collaborator, is worse than a jock or a scum-bag sports loving piece of human garbage sports fan!

Get out of here you scum!

Hit the road Jack and don't come back!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Yeah Earl.

I have my clown suit on.

It's really big and baggy and I have it stuffed with pillows so my clown suit make me look even bigger and fatter.

When I'm wearing my clown suit, I can't even get through the door!

Have you also got your clown suit on?
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Well, what do you know ... it IS you, JIM! Welcome back for more laffs. (Yes, this IS Earl, not an imposter.)

Fat Man, I hope you've got your clown costume on now.
Earl

Heckofa situtation that miner story huh?
I'm a MAN! I couldn't go no two months without no hot chicks! Women get all excited when I'm around them because I'm so hot. I'm just saying...I'd want to be the first out of that mine so that I could get some sweet tang ASAP.
What do they do 'bout the games on TV that they missed? Now THAT'S traggic!
JIM

For the record, it is me being ironic (and silly).
Earl

I think there is a lot of identity theft occurring here in the guestbook right now. I could be wrong, but unless Earl is just being ironic, there are 4chan memes put in Earl's last two posts, such as spelling "the" as "teh", and "laugh" as "laff". Again, I could be wrong and Earl is just being ironic or maybe they are just largely coincidental spelling errors.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I guess your right Earl.

This jim, or big jim is just another Bozo!

Yeah! Send in the clowns!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Aw, he don't bother me none. He's just an Internet clown. You should don your clown shoes and put on your clown nose and join in the fun. And don't forget to put on your face paint, like you did the last time. How many times do I have to tell you? I've already got some creamy pies and my squirt gun loaded. We need some laffs. The show must go on. Send in teh clowns!
Earl

Aw forget it Earl!

This jim, or big jim (notice I refuse to capitalize his name) is just some wet-behind-the-ears little punk recently out of diapers who gets his kicks out of masturbating with his keyboard!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Greetings, JIM (whoever you are). Are you the same JIM who submitted messages below, or are you someone else who is presuming to take over the cherished role of "JIM"? Assuming that you are not the same JIM (who certainly was an amusing fellow and a charming gentleman), I must say that having or not having "chicks" is not a problem that I happen to currently experience in my life, as I've been happily married to a "chick" for over 30 years. (When we stared having children, she didn't lay eggs, though.) And although I never played football before (simply because I never had an interest in this most notable sport), I do work out at my health club four times a week on a bodybuilding program. Yes, I am a confirmed gym rat. Who knows, I might even end up as a narcissist. (Well, not really, since I do have a sense of humility.) I like to occasionally slap my pecs because they're hard now. Ah, what a topsy-turvy world we live in! I know who I am, but I don't know who you am. I have no way of knowing that you are what you say you are. Perhaps you aren't one of the big boys. Perhaps you're a keyboard kommando, a lonely nerd in search of a victim. No, I take that back. I mean someone who is, as the 4chan trolls like to say, OUT FOR JUSTICE! If so, I tremble in my sweatsocks and sneakers. (Well, I often walk about the house in my bare feet. I've even been known to stub my toes.) I don't even have any way of knowing whether you are the original JIM or if I should regard you as JIM The Second. Oh, well, it really doesn't matter. Since I sometimes take myself too seriously, I'm almost always ready to have a good laugh; and I don't happen to suffer from coulrophobia, which is defined as "an abnormal or exaggerated fear of clowns." Now, see, aren't you glad that you came back to this highly esteemed and much appreciated and honored website to check out the Guestbook again? Why, you've learned a new word! I would hope that you would welcome every opportunity to broaden your vocabulary for the purpose of making yourself a more cultured gentleman. Yes, it makes me proud to know that I have contributed to someone's education. Anyway, I do love the circus. I really do. So, I say ... Send in teh clowns!
Earl

Oh my!!!

We have another pathetic little jimbo pretending to have a pair of balls.

Oh! I am so impressed!

Yeah! Get outta here little girl!

Pack your pretty pink little Gucci bag and . . .

HIT THE ROAD!!!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I don't feel sorry for some kid who ain't man enough to make it with the big boys! I'm a tough guy and I ain't got no time for no little wimp who's skinny with glasses and can't even play no football. You sissies need to MAN UP 'cuz chicks don't like no sissys!!! I'm into drinking beer and kicking ass and I'm running low on beer.!

I'm BIG JIM (Man up or take it like a man, ya wimps!)
JIM

Sports develope overly competetive people. In highschool if you didnt play sports, you didnt have friends. I hate sports. They are illogical. I run after a ball and get the pissed smashed out of me, ooooo thats impressive. Glad to find others who feel the same. $%^& Sports especially football. Football players think they are above everyone else. They are nobody special. I love this site.
Erik Krantz
Warren, PA USA

Ugggg i hate my brother because hes obsessed with basketball!!!!! I hate how he is always talking and trying to relate everything to basketball!
Evan Crawford <actordude97@aim.com>
MI US

Thanks, JIM, for not being a flamer.
Earl

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(How I wish I could use Smilies in the Guestbook!)

My, my ... it looks like you've been stranded somewhere without any transportation. I should call AAA. Are all the farm animals inside? It sure looks crowded in there! You certainly don't have any room for all dem ... ahem, HOT CHICKS. (Speaking of hot chicks, when I finish typing this up, I'm going to drive over to the nearest Chick Fil-A to purchase food for myself and my wife. I really am.)

As I just recently had an encounter with the most unpleasant character I've ever met online (at another website) who is possibly the biggest jerk in the universe, I sincerely thank you for providing badly needed comic relief. You've made my day!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Earl

That's mighty kind of ya Earl. In fact I'd like to invite you and The Fat Man over to my home for a few cold ones. You can bring your wife and The Fat Man can bring his favrite farm animal of choice. Here's a pic. of my home. It don't look like much but insides pretty dern cozy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/3411386836_2dd511e0bc_z.jpg
JIM

I've got to give you credit for being funny and honest. *thumbs up*
Earl

Do those three young ladies comprise your harem, or is your relationship only with the picture itself?
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Yah, even BIG JIM can't get CHICKS that are THAT hot to visit the Trailorhood, not without a large rubber mallot and a fifth of Wild Turkey.
JIM

*Uh ... what am I going to ask him now? Let me see ...*

I don't see any chickens in the picture, alive or fried. All I see are three nice, young, attractive ladies dressed somewhat immodestly. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I must ask you the following question: Do those three young ladies comprise your harem, or is your relationship only with the picture itself?
Earl

http://www.ecollo.com/image.axd?picture=matrix-fdgfdgdfg.jpg

Big JIM's CHICKS!
JIM

BIG JIM gets his "hot CHICKS" at Chick Fi-LAY. *ka-ching!* :o)
Earl

BIG JIM is another Scott Steiner, who claims that he has broken Wilt Chamberlain's record of sleeping with more than 10,000 women. *giggle*
Earl

Texas gave us some mightyyy fineeeeeeeee mooooosicians though. Stevie Ray Vaughn, ZZ Top, Johnny Winter, Edie Brickell..to name just a few that BIG JIM likes. Actually, I hate ZZ Top. BIG JIM likes Skynyrd, hot CHICKS and COLD BEER!! Outta my way I got tang to get at!!!

BIG J!
JIM

NOTICE!!!

OK, in my previous Guestbook post, I made some references to "right-wing Chistard Funny-mentalists" and I understand that some Christian readers might be offended.

So, let me clarify what I mean here. OK?

I'm NOT saying that all Christians are "Christards".

Copernicus, Galileo, Johannes Kepler, and Isaac Newton were Christians and there were obviously brilliant scientists and mathematicians.

So, when I refer to "Christards" I'm only referring to right-wing whack-jobs like Pat Robertson, Don McLeroy, and that psycho bitch Becky Fischer with her Jesus Camp where children were being brainwashed.

I know a lot of good Christians who do not fall under that category. OK?

But when I say anything in reference to people like Pat Robertson, Don Mcleroy, and Beckey Fischer, etc. etc. then I'm going to call them Christards!

OK?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

In response to jim:

First of all, I hate Texas, because Texas sucks, especially El Paso, it sucks worst of all! El Paso is a scum-bag sports-obsessed donkey fucking redneck town!

I call Texas the Banana Republic of The USA because Texas is becoming more and more like a third world dictatorship.

Recently, our Texas State Board of Education (Indoctrination) had voted on textbooks that will be used in our high schools for the next 10 years, and Texas buys up more textbooks than all the other states and we have an influence on the kinds of textbooks purchased by the other states, so as Texas goes, so goes the rest of the nation.

Unfortunately, because of the choices made by the Texas Board of Indoctrination, Texas is going to drag the rest of the USA down into the academic gutter!

Don McLeory, one of the board members wants to insert Creationism into the school science textbooks, and he wants Thomas Jefferson removed from the history texts because Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. But he wasn't an atheist either, he was a Deist, he just wasn't a Christian.

I'm not a Christian either, but more of a Deist instead, sort of like Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin were Deists.

Anyway, Don McLeory wants Thomas Jefferson replaced by John Calvin who a few centuries ago had people tortured to death in the name of his religion.

So, the Texas Board of Indoctrination wants to rewrite history, and insert Creationist fairy tails into the science textbooks to eventually replace Darwin's Theory of Evolution.

The USA is also becoming more like a Banana Republic because we have all these right-wing whack-jobs, these Christard Funny-mentalists like Pat Robertson of his 700 Club wanting to influence our politicians, and we have another Whacked out Christard psycho bitch like Becky Fischer and her Jesus Camp brainwashing children.

There is a series of nine videos on YouTube, about a summer camp for children where little kids are being brainwashed and indoctrinated. This is some real scary shit!

Here is a link to the first video in a series of nine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

You can't click on it, you have to copy and paste it to your browser.

In the second video of the series of nine, we see a brainwashed child being home schooled who says he believes that Galileo "made the right choice" by giving up science for Christ.

BULLSHIT!!!

No! What actually happened was, that The Roman Catholic Church, the Holy Office, and the Inquisition brought charges of heresy against Galileo and threatened him with torture. He was not actually tortured, but was merely threatened with the possibility or torture, and he was interrogated for many long hours until he broke down and signed a confession recanting his convictions that the earth and all the planets revolved around the sun. At the time, Galileo was an old man, going blind, and he was eventually sentenced to spend the remainder of his life under house arrest.

But the kid in the video has been brainwashed into believing that Galileo gave up science for Christ.

Galileo didn't give up shit! He had it all take away from him!

And besides, Galileo was always a Christian, he didn't give up science for Christ, he was always a Christian. It's just that he didn't accept everything in the Catholic Church doctrine. According to Catholic Church doctrine, the earth was the center of the cosmos, and Galileo proved them wrong, thus he was punished for it.

So, we have these right-wing Funny-mentalist Christard whack-jobs wanting to change how history is being taught and wanting to insert their Creationist fairy tails into high school science textbooks.

Thanks to our Texas Board of Indoctrination, we are really fucked up now.

That's why I hate Texas. Our state is run by redneck whackos who probably have sex with barnyard animals.

We are losing our basic freedoms, and our right to intellectual and academic freedom.

That's why I call Texas "Texass" instead, and that's why I call Texas The Banana Republic of The USA, because my fucked up state is becoming more like a dictatorship.

And this thing about the "PLOW BOY Magazine" well, that was a satire I saw in the National Lampoon Magazine many years ago back in the 1970s. National Lampoon is no longer published.

I hope that explains all the references I made in my earlier Guestbook post.

Now, go way jimbo! You bother me!

Go masturbate to photos in you PLOW BOY Magazine and shut the fuck up!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I once heard that there is a Redneck magazine coming out called PLOW BOY!

That's about his speed!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA//////////

1) You're from El Paso, Texas
2) You spell Texas with "ass" at the end and make mention of a certain "banana".
3) You made an effort to remember that "Plow Boy" magazine will soon be coming out.

Anything you wanna tell us?
JIM

Good evening anonymous.

Nah! jim just likes to masturbate while looking at photos of barnyard animals!

I once heard that there is a Redneck magazine coming out called PLOW BOY!

That's about his speed!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

For a gUy who Claims to Keep On getting Fantastic Frivolous tang, JIM sure spends a lot of time on this website.
A certain user of the forum who will remain anonymous

Haha!
HugeFanOfBadReligion

*ka-ching!* (nite klub laffs) :o)
Earl

/////I told her she looked like a two-bit whore and she clobbered me with her purse!

It was full of quarters!
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Let's hope she knocked some cents into you.
JIM

Hey jimbo bubbah booey!

The other day I ran into one of your sluts on the street.

I told her she looked like a two-bit whore and she clobbered me with her purse!

It was full of quarters!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

... "old and nasty like in your 30s and 40s"? J-I-M, you're such a silly boy. As far as getting, well, you know ... haven't you ever heard of M-A-R-R-I-A-G-E? As one who hasn't been single in 30 years, all I can say is ... hey, wait a minute. I think I've already said this -- "Been there, done that." And as far as Tang is concerned, I'm afraid I can't drink that, being a diabetic and all. Too much sugar. Please tell us, J-I-M, as inquiring minds want to know: JUST HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE YOU HAD? Have you had more women than Scott Steiner? I've gots to know! And keep dem laffs a-comin'!
Earl

Hahaha. It really is nice to have a comedian here on this site to give us some humour.
HugeFanOfBadReligion
Canada

Life is for the young. You can always get smart later with books and stuff but when you get all old and nasty like in your 30s and 40s you can't expect to get no tang. Thats just the truth, you know?
JIM

Are you serious? I can get almost any 'tang' I want 'cuz that's how BIG JIM gets it done! Maybe you'd get more action if you played a little ball instead of sitting around reading a bunch of stupid books and stuff. Books never got no one no tang that's why people who read books are so edjucated because they can't spend time with no tang. Ouch, bet THAT stang! LOL
JIM

Hey jim or "jum"!!!

The only "Tang" you've ever had or ever going to get is the instant orange drink by the same name!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

http://www.savejapandolphins.org/quickfacts.php

Sign the petition to end dolphin killing in Taiji, Japan

Peace

"Jim"
JIM

So JIM ain't wanted 'round here no more? Whatever. JIM's got honeys to bag.

Are there any CHICKS in the forum? No since going to no forum if there ain't no CHICKS. Gotta have CHICKS!

You clowns are on yer own, JIM's got babes to take care of.

JIM!
JIM

Fat Man, you've changed your mind.

Okay, guys, if that's what you want. (This is funny and I'm amused.) In about two days I will delete all of JIM's messages and all of our responses to him.

JIM, it doesn't have to end here. You can always register to post in the forum. Too bad you don't know Samdaman. :wink:
Earl

In response to nameless.

Yeah, a person who actually hates sports, but who is pretending to be a sports bore and pretending to hate nerds and geeks while pretending to love sports, such a person is actually worse then the real obnoxious sports fan who hates us for being anti-sports.

I would much rather deal with the genuine article than to deal with a phoney.

So, jim or "jim" can just pack his Gucci bag and hit the road!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I personally think JIM, or should I say "JIM", should go and get bent. He's wasted enough of our time already and tried to agitate people on here, and now he's choosing to tell us that he really hates sports? Is this guy for real?
A certain user of the forum who will remain nameless

NO!! DON'T GO AWAY! PLEASE DON'T SHUT UP. WE WANT MORE!

(Seriously, some of us are more unpredictable in our views than you would think. You may not believe it, but some of us are not haters of people. Far from it. You're always welcome to leave messages here or, even better, to post in the forum.)
Earl

Yeah, Earl's on to me. I actually hate sports. I'll shut up now. :o)

"JIM"
JIM

I'm not sure he's really "sports trash." I think he's just an Internet clown who wants to have fun.
Earl

Nah! Don't delete anything. Just leave it up.

We all could use a few laughs.

Also, when other guests come here, they can see what kind of morons we have to put up with on our anti-sports forum.

People need to see just how idiotic and moronic and low class sports trash can be.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I meant to say "along with all of our responses TO them." My mistake. :)
Earl

i_like_1981, I was the one who deleted those comments of JIM's. He's not agitating me at all. He's just an online clown, which brings me to the following question ...

Do any of you want me to pull the plug on this clown show? This means that I would delete ALL of his comments, along with all of our responses them. I'm willing to do this, if that's what you-all want me to do. Let me know either on this Guestbook webpage or by PM. It's up to you.
Earl

I think JIM is just trying to get some agitated responses by pretending to have crap spelling. Most of his comments which were deleted actually had pretty decent spelling (which I've preserved in text format for anyone who wants to see them again). But his "all about the chicks" rhetoric is still incredibly boring.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

I wanna see Bozo!
Earl

jim is a clown! A real Bozo!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I think "JIM" is just being silly. I wanna laugh. Send in the clowns!
Earl

Yeah jim! Too fucking band that you can't go back in a time machine (NOT masheen, but machine) and hit the books and study harder so you could learn how to spell, ya moron!!!

And NO, we are NOT 'jeolous' or jealous because many nerds and techno-geeks who studied hard in school and went on to college to earn a degree in science, most of them are married now.

Most scientists, Astronomers, Physicists, Biochemists, Paleontologists, etc. etc. are happily married and are raising children.

These guys are married to decent intelligent women and NOT to cheap buck-tooth sluts like most of you sports fans.

So, you may just go back to your singer-axle trailer home, and back to your text browser with the green or amber screen, or watch sports on your black & white TV set with the coat-hanger antenna, swill down the cheap Buckhorn beer and just SHUT THE FUCK UP!

ya got that? jimbo!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

"Meant" not "meat". Talk about a Feurdian slip. LOL
JIM

I meat 'jeolous'. whatever.
JIM

I'll admit, if I could go back in time in a time masheen I would've read more books but then again all the time I spent on sports inabled me to get all the chicks. Don't be jelless.
JIM

I don't think you can. Besides, he provides comic relief.
Earl

Good evening I_like_1981

Let's all agree not to capitalize jim's name anymore.

NOT even the first letter in his name!

I wanna really piss him off!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I for one just wish JIM would shut the fuck up about his stupid chicks whose vocabulary probably doesn't go beyond "handbags", "nails" and "money" and actually make a damn point. Does he think his hyper-hetero attitude means anything at all on the internet and that it's anything more than just words? I doubt it.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Good evening Earl.

Yeah, I get the joke about peep shows or looking at chicks.

Well, as we all know, there are two different kinds of chicks, either sexy young gals, or the barnyard variety of chicks that go Peep! Peep! Peep!

So, I'm assuming that jimmy boy likes to make it with the latter variety.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

JIM and Fat Man:

This whole exchange is silly. lol (I assume both of you got my joke about "peep" shows. You know, nudity or worse vs. newly hatched chicks. At least I hope so.)
Earl

Yeah, jimmy boy likes to make if with barnyard fowl.

he thinks that he's the cock of the walk!

(Notice I didn't capitalize "he" in the beginning of the previous sentence.)

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Is this what you mean by a peep show?
Earl

...all 'bout the chicks.
JIM

Hello again Mike.

Here is a link to a YouTube video, a cartoon of a redneck version of Carl Sagan's COSMOS edited for rednecks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_OehRLH3s

I don't know if we can click on links posted here, so you'll probably have to copy and paste the link to your browser.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I recall an SCTV sketch where they lampooned Carl Sagan and Cosmos. It was pretty funny...oh yea...SPORTS SUCK!!!!
Mike

Good afternoon Mike.

Yeah, I remember Jack Horkmeir's Star Hustler on PBS, but it was usually less than a half hour long.

I would like to see the Super Bowl game interrupted on all channels by a COSMOS marathon with all 13 episodes of Carl Sagan's COSMOS being shown.

But then of course, the redneck sports fans getting drunk in the sports bars will just get all pissed off, go home and beat their wives and kids, rape their daughters, screw the pooch, and give the parakeet and the gold fish cause for alarm.

We don't want to be the cause of any more violence.

Maybe we should just let the big cry-babies have their ball games.

Yeah, I know! It really sucks!

No! Wait a minute!

It really make no difference. Even if the games aren't interrupted and even if their favorite team wins the big game of the season, they will still come home, beat their wives and kids, rape their daughters, and screw the pooch.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Here ya go Fat Man...interrupt the Super Bowl with 'Jack Horkmeir..Star Hustler"....HAHAHAHAHA!!
Mike

Hello again Mike.

Actually sports fans don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell about anything else. Sports is all they care about.

So, how can they possibly miss what they don't care about anyway?

Hey, it would be even more hilarious if all the TV screens in a sports bar went blank, and all of a sudden the Phil Harmonic Orchestra appeared, or some science documentary on Astronomy and the latest discoveries by the Hubble telescope appeared, or perhaps re-runs Carl Sagan's COSMOS appeared instead.

Now that will really make all those redneck sports fans piss in their pantaloons!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Sports fans do not know what they are missing.. While all of the sports obsessed zombies were watching football Sunday afternoon, I was enjoying "The Last Waltz" on VH-1 Classic..Somebody should figure out a way to JAM ABC's frequency with VH-1 Classic on Sunday afternoon. Imagine this, you are sitting at a sports bar on Sunday afternoon. Lets say that you are there because you are starving and had to get something to eat. The big game is on between Dallas and Kansas City. They begin to interview one of the illiterate thugs that play for Dallas, then all of a sudden the signal goes blank and Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson appear rockin' out to "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"..I would start laughing my ass off, and all of the sports zombies would start to panic like it was 9/11 all ovwer again..
Mike

Hey Fat Man... it is starting to get even WORSE!!!!...they are now playing HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL on my favorite rock station here on the radio!!!!!...There is NO WAY IN HELL that would've happened 30 years ago!!!
Mike

Good evening Mike.

Yes, I remember a long time ago, when football was on during Sunday afternoons,but then late Sunday evening we would get our movies.

I have Cable TV and there are plenty of sports channels. Why do they have to pre-empt regular programming on any of the other channels.

Even the Science Fiction Channel shows wrestling, and SPIKE TY which is suppose to be for movies, they have added more and more sports programming.

Eventually, sports will take over the National Geographic Channel, the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, and TLC The Learning Channel.

I really hate it when my favorite crime fighting program America's Most Wanted gets pre-empted for a stupid game.

Does sports have to take over everything?

No, don't tell me, let me guess.

The answer is, yes!

Like, there is nothing else in the world but sports.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Well guys, here we are....the beginning of another NFL Season, you know, that great time of the year when everything gets preempted on Sunday for a damn game..It is funny how I do not recall that happening when I was a kid during the late 70's-early 80's...

SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL....BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!...bring back the Sunday Night Movie...
Mike

Good evening Mike.

Yes, real men love to cook!

Actually, it was men who invented cooking.

About a 100,000 years ago, when our ancestors lived in caves or huts, they were hunters and gatherers.

The women would go into the forest to gather roots and berries and nuts, whatever wild fruits and vegetables they could find.

The men would go hunting for game and bring back meat and the men would build the fires and roast the meat over the fire, so it was men who invented cooking.

Then our ancestors learns to domesticate animals and plat crops, thus farming and agriculture was invented, and women began cooking as well as men.

But I have know many women who will tell you that men are better cooks. Most women actually admit to this.

Our most famous chefs are men.

I know I enjoy cooking myself. I love making up a great bit pot of beef stew, chopping up the meat and the vegetables and making the gravy.

I love to cook!!!

Ever know a fat man who couldn't cook?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Hey Fat Man.....that was pretty funny..Actually your post makes me think of a something. You mention how most sports fans are rednecks that keep their woman chained to the stove. I can definately see that, because most sports fans do not know jack squat about cooking.. It always pisses me off when I see some bozo with a "Hogs" or "Gators" t-shirt on just "Grillin'" away...

Real men actually cook on a stove and will not ignore a lady because some stupid gay-ass football game is on..
Mike

Sorry Mike, but I must beg to differ with you.

Most jocks keep their women tied up to the bed posts when they go out so nobody can move on their chicks.

And most sports fans are rednecks who keep their women barefoot and pregnant and chained to the stove.

Especially during football season.

My idea of football season is hunting football players and mounting their heads on wall plaques.

OK! JUST KIDDING! I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT SHOOTING ANYBODY!

No need to worry about me. I'm harmless. I haven't killed anybody since breakfast.

OK?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Well fellow sports haters, the time has come , and that time is college football. Use this to your advantage this weekend as a chance to pick up and meet a lot of fine women. Their boyfriends will be mesmorized and brainwashed by the games on TV that they will not even notice if you take their chick home with you...
Mike

I hate sports so much that just hearing a word like "football" gives me a headache. It's nice to know others feel the same way. Baseball is by far the dumbest sport. As a child, I wasted many beautiful sunny afternoons standing in a baseball outfield getting sunburned. I wish I could have realized what a complete waste of time it was. It was hard to make my own decisions at that age with all the indoctrination and propaganda surrounding sports in the community and on tv. Baseball is a game where 90% of the time NOTHING IS HAPPENING! Why do we push this game on kids so much? It teaches them nothing. I just don't get it. I would love to edit a major leage game down to just the action parts. It would be about 10 minutes long! America's pastime? How the hell did that happen? Pretty stupid pastime! Ha ha ha!
Too smart for sports.
Minneapolis, MN USA

Watching sports is like watching paint dry. It's also like being served up a plate of Fail Fries slathered in Double Mild Weak Sauce with a side order of SUCK!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Sports should only be for recreational activities not that overrated crap people put too much emphasis into.
Miguel Epistola <Jamzclub86@yahoo.com>
Sicklerville, NJ USA

Quote: "Don't get your fat head stuck in the door as you leave." End Quote

Actually, jocks and sports fans are pin-heads who need to wear prosthetic foreheads to make them look more human.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

"Sports are kick ass, you nerds should just get a life and quit your bitching."

Oh yes, it is the usual eloquent, well-supported argument I've come to expect from you 4channers this year. Why the need to use the name "Tom Hanks"? Trying to elevate yourself to the status of somebody important because you consider yourself worthy of everyone's attention? Whatever.

Sports are NOT kick-ass. They're a load of overblown tripe which for some reason have become a sort of worldwide religion over the last 100 years or so. And for some reason, people who don't indulge in this wonderful pastime of spending weekend afternoons watching men chase each other or throw balls around deserve to become the subjects of harassment which has happened to our website many a time.

Face it, you sports fans come on here attacking us with mere insults because you really know no better. You have absolutely no solid cases against our opinions and can't give us a reason regarding why we are so wrong and socially disgraceful for not sharing your interest in these overhyped play games. You're never going to take down this site so just give up. Go watch your stupid games. Go throw money at something that really shouldn't be where it is in the modern society. It's not people like us that are what's wrong with the world. It's people like you - those who have absolutely no regard whatsoever for those with conflicting opinions and believe that everyone has to conform to their ideals. Get over yourself.

Don't get your fat head stuck in the door as you leave.

Best regards,
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England,

Touche, HugeFan! :lol:
Earl

"Sports are kick ass, you nerds should just get a life and quit your bitching."

I love that logic. That was one of the most intelligent cases I've seen in my life. In fact, I've just contacted the Nobel Prize Committee to nominate you for the prize in all categories. I'm sure they'll notice your genius as much as I do.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Excuse me Earl

But did you notice Tom Hanks E-mail address?

banned@4chan.org

We don't need to be raided and harassed by any of those zoo-tramps from 4chan again as we were earlier this year.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Jocks are KISS-ASS and you sports-tards need to accept the fact that we are not interested in your fucking retarded Kindergarten games!

Sorry, but we're not interested in watching a bunch of drooling moronic monkey-boys in tight pants chasing a ball. That is so fucking gay! Chasing a ball! I can teach a dog to do as much.

DUH! HUH! HUH! HUH! I CAN KICK A BALL! Oh yeah? Really? Like, I could give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell!!!

Excuse me sir, but you must have me confused with somebody who gives a fuck!!!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Join the forum and present your case.
Earl

Sports are kick ass, you nerds should just get a life and quit your bitching.
Tom Hanks <banned@4chan.org>
Hoboken, NJ USA

Concerning the issue of people having disagreeable online personalities: Fat Man is not exactly the only website poster who is strident and, yes, capable of making hateful statements (with which I disagree, by the way). The Internet is full of such people. Should Fat Man be singled out above them all? By the way, has Fat Man ever posted anyone's mailing address and phone number online for the purpose of subjecting that person to harassment? Does Fat Man make crank calls late at night? Does he order unwanted subscriptions for people with whom he disagrees or dislikes? Those who have subjected Fat Man to precisely this sort of harassment are, in fact, LOWER than he is. Being a human being, Fat Man has character flaws, just like everyone else (including yours truly). I have problems with many of Fat Man's posts, but I don't feel the need to go on a campaign against him (as some people have) so I can take pride in myself and say, "Wow! I confronted Fat Man. That means I'm someone special." I'm not saying you have this attitude, Drew; but most of those who have been obsessed with Fat Man's shortcomings apparently have a strong need to massage their egos.
Earl

Hahaha, Whatever 1981. I don't care if you think I'm not credible, but I *am* right. Fat Man is extremely difficult to reason with and even when you can get through to him, it's just barely. Certainly you can accept this, whether you like me or not.
Drew Mcintyre

To be honest, Drew, I don't really see what gives you the right to come onto our website and constantly keep criticising the behaviour of our long-term members. You're certainly not someone who I'd trust. Someone who comes on here under a false guise, pretending to be one of us after deceiving the admins into validating his account and then doing loads of stupid posts trying to see how many references you can throw in to your wrestling "hero" who you named your internet moniker after. After months of this stupid shit happening to us, people obviously taking pride in how far they can push their luck on this forum, you wonder why people get pissed off with you and don't want to listen to a word you say. Why should we trust you? I mean, it's all right if you want to criticise the website but at least be direct. Don't start throwing a load of stupid crap at us first if you want us to listen to you and don't expect to be shown any regard when your true purpose is discovered.

I'm sick of you fucking trolls coming onto our website and acting like you own the fucking place. I'm sick of you thinking that you have the right to piss people off on the forum and waste our time on there and then have the audacity to criticise the behaviour of any member on here once you're banned. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who signs on as a new member, starts spamming the forum, gets banned and then starts to make so-called "valid" charges against us should really just sod off. You're no genuine critic. You're just one of those trolls who thinks he owns the internet and can do whatever he damn well pleases anywhere he wants. Sorry, doesn't work like that!

You 4channers and trolls act as if we harbour some of the worst people in the world here. You constantly take time to gripe at us and say how terrible we are to the world. Why don't you fucking look at yourselves in the mirror? Look at what trolling and online harassment has done to people. It's driven some people to their death; done far worse things to people than anything anyone here has done. We know about your sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica and what they've done and continue to do to the people they humiliate, so you really have no damn right at all to start acting like the moral compass on here!

As far as I'm concerned, anyone linked to 4chan and ED who comes on here thinking they've got any right to criticise our behaviour and tell us how we should behave on our website, well, you can certainly expect no fucking regard from me and hopefully nobody else on here either!

Have a nice day.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

In response to Drew McIntyre (or is that Drool McIntyre)

You're damn right I'm fucked up in the head!!!

It comes from getting beaten too many times, and getting raped back when I was 17 years old.

It comes from not being allowed to get a decent education and having sports shoved down my throat.

Well, you can take sports and shove it up our ass sideways for all I care.

Fuck you very much, and have a nice day!

Now, go eat shit, crawl into a sewer, and DIE!

OK?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I wouldn't even bother trying to talk some sense into Fat Man. The man is just too fucked up in the head to be reasoned with. He's blind to his own hypocrisy.
Drew McIntyre

OK, I acknowledge that NOT ALL athletes are dumb jocks. Earl has given many examples of that.

But I have not been fortunate enough to meet any athletes who were not dumb jocks.

I'm sorry, but every single one that I have had the misfortune to meet were unmitigated ass-holes!

So, it's very hard, if not impossible for me to have any respect for sports people.

But bullies or not, I feel that they are all overpaid for just chasing balls and over-privileged, being able to get away with all kinds of crimes, while I was once suspended from school just simply because I failed to climb a stupid rope in a gymnasium.

Never mind that I was passing all of my other academic subjects, and never mind that I had a crippled up left knee, the result of an accident when I was 4 yours old, leaving me unable to run like the other kids in my school and walking with a limp.

Oh no! Sports and PE was more important than science, history, or math.

Sports was all they cared about in the schools I went to.

Sorry, but I have been beaten over the head too many times, and the part of my brain that would enable me to be polite to sports people has been badly damaged.

So, as a result, when I see sports people, I can not suppress the urge to tell them to . . . . .

FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Yes Sarah, like 1981 said, there is a between jocks and athletes. I have been good friends with several athletes who I know are intelligent, independent thinkers. I have also known several jocks who are dumber than you could imagine and treated me along with other people who succeed academically like we aren't human. I recognize the fact that there are in fact smart athletes, however there are also a large amount of jocks who are not even remotely smart.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Alright Sarah, let's set you straight on a few facts here. I try my best to distinguish between athletes and "jocks" in the forum. Whenever I mention the term "jock", I'm not applying it to all athletes, but the minority who do fit the negative stereotype of being dumb, abusive and intolerant of those with differing opinions. If I believed all sports people were like this, which I don't, then I wouldn't have used the term "jock", but applied it to all athletes instead. There is a difference between an athlete and a jock, and I know which is which. I'll make some examples of athletes and jocks on our forum. Athletes are people with a keen interest in sports. Yes, some can be abusive, but they are the ones I refer to as "jocks". Normal athletes, such as our members Polite24, Andy and SportsGuy92, are not like that and are somewhat intelligent and polite in their approach to this forum. Now here are some jocks who have posted on our forum: Samdaman, SPORTS ROCK., mikejones and Captain America. Go and check out their posts and you will see why I find it important to make the distinction between "athletes" and "jocks".

I was always under the impression that over in America, "jocks" were the abusive athletes and it was not a term used for all of them. If I am wrong in this assumption, please let me know.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England,

Oh! And another thing . . .

I resent people like Don McLeroy (who was recently voted off the Texas State Board of Education) wanting to rewrite history by removing Thomas Jefferson from the text books and also wanting fuck up the science curriculum in our schools inserting creationism into a science class.

Yeah! This is what Texas is all about.

Sports and removing science from our schools and teaching fairy tales!

By keeping young people ignorant, and shoving sports down their throats, they hope to produce another generation of morons who will gladly fork over their money toward sports to make retarded monkey-boys rich while living in single-axle trailer homes, watching sports on their black & white TV with coat hanger antennas, drinking cheap Buckhorn beer and beating the crap out of their kids and raping their wives.

Ah yes! Ignorance is bliss!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

When Sarah said that she was appalled and my "abusive behavior" toward the employees of the sports center, well . . .

When they wanted to charge $3.25 dollars just for a small cup of ice water and handicapped people sitting in power chairs can't reach the water fountain for free water like so-called "normal" people so that we cripples have to pay for water while so-called "normals" drink for free, then . . .

I don't have to be polite to Nazi scum who discriminate against the handicapped.

Do I have to be nice to the KKK or to Neo-Nazi skinheads?

FUCK NO!

So, I'm a bigot because I hate morons?

In school I was beaten and bullied around by sports morons, and now sports morons what lots of money just for being morons, and charge handicapped people $3.25 just for some water.

Sports morons are bigoted because they hate people who are better educated, and moronic sports Nazis want to exterminate the handicapped and the elderly.

So, yeah! I guess I'm a bigot because I hate moronic sports Nazis!

I hate those who want to kill me!

So, I wish they would just crawl into a sewer and die!

Here lately, it seems that people come to this guestbook just to attack me.

Well, it's called Sports Sucks, so it's for people who hate sports and think that sports suck!

And I hate sports with a passion!

So, I don't have to be polite to drooling gutter-thugs like Drool McIntyre and sports sluts like Sarah who spreads her legs apart for monkey-boys, coming in here to the guest book just to criticize me.

This is the Sports Sucks forum and guest book, and NOT, the lets rip Fat Man apart forum!

NO! When it's 105 degrees outside, and I come in hot and thirsty, I don't feel it's right to be charged $3.25 just for a cup of water.

What if someone was severely dehydrated and collapsed on the floor? Would they still charge $3.25 just for some water.

Oh, I forget! Sports people don't believe in science or medicine, so instead of administering first aide to someone who has collapsed on the floor, they would probably rattle some beads over him and say some prayers, and go oogah! oogah! oogah!

Yeah! I hate morons who don't care if I live or die.

So, I want morons to die before they can get a chance to kill me!

Yeah! I'm a bigot!

I'm a big fat bitch!

OK?
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

You sound just like a bigot. Do you realize what you've become? You're the mirror image of Samdaman.
Earl

I don't want to get along with morons!

I want to publicly humiliate them for being fuck-tarded morons!

OK, earlier this evening I was watching a program on The History Channel. It was all about Nikola Tesla one of our greatest American scientists.

Thanks to Nikola Tesla we have AC current lighting up our cities, and all kinds of modern technology, which would not be possible if it weren't for discoveries and inventions by Nikola Tesla.

But he ended up all alone in a small hotel room living in poverty. The only company he had during the last few years of his life were the pigeons that roosted on his 33rd floor window sill in New York city.

This is how our society treats intellectuals.

Oh! But some drooling retarded monkey-boy gets millions of dollars every year just for chasing a football.

An Astronomy or Physics professor in a university only gets paid about $80,000 per year.

But monkey-boy gets millions of dollars just for chasing a ball, and moronic sports fans all across the USA are willing to pay outrageous prices for tickets to the games.

No, I do not have to show any respect for people in sports.

Piss on sports and all the people involved in sports.

I don't have to be polite to morons.

Sport in our schools is responsible for the declining quality of education in the USA and responsible for the bullying of students in our schools.

No, I don't want to get along with morons!

I want all redneck sports-tarded morons to drink themselves to death on their cheap Buckhorn beer and die in their single-axle trailer homes.

I just want all moronic sports-tards to shut the fuck up and go die!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

"Can't we all just get along?"
Earl

Good evening Earl.

When Sarah said the following . . .

"Im also appalled by the almost abusive behavior that has been expressed by one member towards the employees at a sports center. It did not occur to them that these people are just trying to earn a living. What the hell did they do to deserve such treatment?"

I knew she was referring to me.

Sorry, but they were morons, and they should just get a job scrubbing toilets or bagging groceries instead of selling food and drink to people in a public establishment.

All sports people are morons.

I had to show them how it was not possible to reach the water fountain while sitting in my JAZZY power chair and how that discriminates against the handicapped, and that I shouldn't have to pay $3.25 dollars just for a cup of ice water while only "normal" people who could reach the fountain can get free water.

No, I don't believe that my view are extreme.

People should be treated like human beings, but only if they act like human beings.

Sports people act like animals, so I treat them accordingly, like animals! And some are dangerous animals that should be put in cages or hunted down and shot before they can hurt someone.

Sport people are morons who have no respect for those of us who are better educated, or for people with physical handicaps or for older people. Sports people like to bully us around.

Therefore, I have no respect for morons!

But I'm not in a position to physically kick their asses because I'm physically handicapped due to my arthritis.

So, I love to publicly humiliate morons and verbally rip them apart with words.

And they dare not attack me physically just because they can't think of anything clever to say in response, so they should just shut the fuck up and keep their slimy shit-coated hands to themselves, because if they do lay a hand on me, I'll just file charges and see to it that they are locked up so far away they won't be able to hear the dogs barking.

So, NO! I will not have any respect for morons, and I will public humiliate them at every possible opportunity.

In fact, I actually enjoy looking for reasons to publicly humiliate a moron!

It's what they deserve.

Fat Men
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Admittedly, Fat Man's rhetoric is a bit extreme.

Earl

As a moderator of this small website, I must say that Sarah's message is the most polite critical reaction I've ever read. It was a pleasure for me to read it. She's obviously fair-minded. I appreciate her for being nice.

(By the way, thanks for the compliment, Sarah.)

To all visitors who read this message: Those of us who support this website do not all share the same views and attitudes. No one here speaks for all of us. Fat Man speaks for himself. His views do not represent the entire website.
Earl

In response to Sarah:

The people at the sports center were all a bunch of morons. I came in hot and sweaty. It was 105 degrees and I needed a drink of water. I have arthritis in my knees and ankles so I get around using one of those power chairs, my JAZZY 614 HD and I was unable to reach the water fountain.

Most public places have two fountains side by side with one down lower for people who are handicapped.

But NOT in a sports center.

And I didn't believe that I had to be charged $3.25 just for a cup of ice water.

Yeah, in a sports center, we cripples have to pay for a cup of water while only "normal" people can drink from the fountain for free!

I told them that if they didn't give me a cup of water free of charge, that I was going to go out to a public phone and dial 911 and have them all charged with discrimination.

So, they relented, and gave me a cup of ice water free of charge. I had to publicly shame and humiliate those morons in front of onlookers.

Last summer, the Don Haskins Sports Center requested that some bus stop benches in front be removed because it didn't look good to have those benches there.

Yeah! Like it doesn't look good to see elderly or disabled people sitting on benches in front of their precious SPORTS CENTER while waiting for a bus! Like, were suppose to stand at attention out of respect for sports!

FUCK IT!

This was before I got my JAZZY and I was still walking with a cane. I fought for 7 weeks arguing with the Sun Metro City Bus system and with the Don Haskins Sports Center to get those benches put back.

Sports people are Fascist Nazi scum who want to eliminate the elderly and the handicapped, even those who are far better educated than they are, they still want to exterminate, so that only jocks and sports fans will be allowed to live.

But then, most sports fans are redneck trailer trash with great big beer guts hanging down over their belts causing their pants to slide half-way down on their asses exposing their butt-cracks, and they just sit around in their single-axle trailer homes watching sports on their black & white TVs with coat hanger antennas, and beating the ever-living crape out of their wives and kids when their favorite football team loses the big game of the season.

So, trash like them very seldom live more than 40 or 50 years, and that's why sports people want us older people eliminated.

They're pissed off and jealous because intelligent and educated people live much longer while most ex-jocks are broken down human trash heaps when they're in their 50s, sitting on their plastic covered living-room couches, pissing in their pants and drooling as they sit in front of their expensive big screen TVs watching videos of their former glory days!

Also, jocks don't have any control over their bodies. You first of all, must have a brain in order to control your body.

This is why jocks roam about mindlessly like zombies looking for women to rape.

They just can't keep their rockets in their pockets!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I have to say that I respect the opinions of most people on this forum. Earl (?) is especially courteous in expressing his ideas.

Sadly, I've read some posts that make me feel sorry for the "stupid jocks." People who play sports professionally may not be entirely book smart, but they do have to know how to control their bodies and how to work in a team. That's a totally different kind of intelligence.

While I do agree that some athletes get special treatment, I do not agree that they are all stupid or bad people, which is an opinion that has been expressed here. It hasn't been expressed by everyone, but it's still an appalling opinion to see. I know good, intelligent people who play for college teams. One of my friends plays soccer for my university, and he's in engineering.

Im also appalled by the almost abusive behavior that has been expressed by one member towards the employees at a sports center. It did not occur to them that these people are just trying to earn a living. What the hell did they do to deserve such treatment?

I'm sorry, but I can't support your cause because of these few members. I can't agree with telling people they are stupid for liking something. That's just as sick and twisted as the stereotypical jock giving the stereotypical geek an atomic wedgie.

I wish every one of you the best in your cause.
Sarah <cunningire@aol.com>

Guess what Drew?? Yeah we are biased. You might even deduct that from the name of our forum. It's called "SPORTS SUCKS!" And, all the people in our little corner of the internet will always be that way. Most of the people here endured 12 years of bullying and having people be biased against us, only because we had different interests. Sorry we are a little slow to forgive unlike you, you "thick skinned" person.

My comment about him being self centered was petty, and that was all it was meant for. I still don't see anyway in the article where he is trying to help others to not repeat his mistakes.

I also liked how you just cherry picked my response and then accused me of refusing to give him credit, which i did twice in my post. You have to read all the words.

"On one hand the kid has finally become self aware. That happens to a lot of people, but not usually jocks, so he has my respect there."

and

"Kudos to him for finally waking up though. Maybe he can make something positive of his life."

Seems like you want us to give him credit for turning his life around but not credit for the harm he did. Guess you can't have it both ways.
rotten

Thanks for the compliments, Drew. But while I disagree (sometimes strongly) with some of the comments made by some (or many) of the supporters of this website, I will continue to support it because not all is good and well in the world of sport.
Earl

Alright Drew, I've got one question to ask you. Your recent comments on this guestbook show you to be somewhat of a genuine critic of this website. You do come up with good points and know what you're talking about. But if you wanted to be taken seriously, why the hell did you start spamming the fuck out of the forum pretending to be a sports hater? Seriously, what really was the point? You may be serious in what you're saying now but I'm still not 100% sure about taking you seriously after all that spamming.

Best regards,
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England,

"Shut the fuck up Fat Man. You are a ridiculous waste of my time." No one is forcing you to read his posts or reply to them, that is your choice. If you feel your time is being wasted when reading and responding to his posts, you are just as responsible for it as he is.

I understand that he isn't the number one and only person responsible for the shooting, however, if it weren't for him and other bullies, the shootings certainly would have never happened, and I have a moral difficulty forgiving a person who I view as responsible for murder. There are plenty of other people who are directly and indirectly responsible for the Columbine shooting, many of them even more responsible than the drug addict (such as the other bullies, the shooter's parents, the school staff, the NRA (I truly hope someone robs Charlton Heston's grave and literally takes his gun from his cold, dead hands), and many others). However that doesn't mean he isn't responsible. And the reason why I said your argument could be used against you is that you seemed to be implying that no one deserves to have to go through what the Columbine bully went through, when it was in fact his fault that he went through it, and what I was implying is that he deserves to face consequences for his actions.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

EARL: Noted. Yeah I figured it was just a misinterpretation. Sometimes I feel like you are the only person here with their head on straight and can look at issues objectively. So many people here are blinded by their bad experiences and take on irrational, ignorant and biased opinions.
HUGEFAN: First off, I'm not implying that bully isn't responsible for his drug addiction and such.. so I don't see how you are turning my argument against me. Also, I'm not saying that this bully isn't at fault here for what happened at Columbine -- but it's a miniscule relative to what the actual shooters did. The issue here is that you are placing direct blame on those who contributed indirectly. It's just wrong to say that this kid was just as guilty for the shootings as the shooters themselves.
Drew McIntyre

Shut the fuck up Fat Man. You are a ridiculous waste of my time. You haven't said one thing that was in any way relevent to my previous post. I'm guessing you were trying to say that bullying fucked you up, so bullying is wrong. Well no shit, retard. You've missed my point completely. Now please, stop relating every. fucking. thing. in your life to your traumatic experience. We get it, you went through tough shit and it fucked you up. I understand that and you really don't need to explain it all the time. You need to get some serious mental help, my friend. It's impossible to have rational and thoughtful discussion with you. I can't believe you think your pathetic rambling is "serving me up". Fucking hell bro, go talk to a shrink and help him deal with your issues because they are clearly consuming you and preventing you from acting like a decent human being.
Drew McIntyre

Fuck you Drew McIntyre! Or is that Drool McIntyre? - I'm in a bad fucking mood tonight! I just broke one of my front teeth this afternoon. It is cracked and loose and I'm in a lot of fucking pain right now! I had a hard time chewing my food while eating my supper this evening and the pain is even worse now, so I just took 4 Aspirin and I'm sipping on a small shot of Vodka, swishing it around inside my mouth hoping that it will ease the pain. I'm living on SSI disability, and here in this donkey-fucking redneck state of Texas, my Medicare/Medicaid does not cover dental work for anyone over 18 so I may not be able to eat solid food anymore because of the pain. Oh! But some football player who has raped someone's daughter, and got off with just a slap on the wrist, and was given a FREE Hummer that he can park all day in a 15 minute parking zone, and never has to worry about having his vehicle towed away, nor even get a ticket, he can get free dental work so he can chomp down on T-bone and sirloin stakes, while I'm going to have to live on soup! You want to know why I'm living on disability? It's because of the years of bullying which eventually lead to my having an emotional breakdown and spending three weeks in a psychiatric ward where patients were often beaten by the ward attendants. I was 17 years old at the time, and one night I was beaten and raped by an older man! When I was seeking some kind of psychological help, none was forth coming, because back then, back in the 1970s nobody believe that a guy could get raped, so the shrink just prescribed tranquilizers and sent me home. It wasn't until recent years that I was finally diagnosed with PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. So, yeah! I admit I'm a bit fucked up in the head! OK? But I never turned to drugs because of it. I seldom drink, having a little bit of beer only once in a week, but I don't get drunk. That kid's stuff. When I was in school, I wanted to study science, but I was called a "fag" because I didn't care for sports. In the art class, some oil paintings I had been working on were destroyed. My science teacher was also the school's football coach who was too fucking busy coaching his team of pre-frontally lobotomized baboons to be teaching in the classroom, so instead, he would set up a movie projector, leaving us all sitting in the dark watching a bunch of stupid cartoons! But I wanted to learn science, and NOT watch retarded cartoons. So, I didn't learn jack-shit when I was in school. All we learned was how to fold paper footballs! When I think of where I could have been today, instead of where I'm at now, I just want to scream out into the night! sometimes, I still get flash-backs and bad dreams relating back to the time when I was beaten and raped. Oh, and please don't tell me to get over it! I have heard that kind of right-wing crapola over and over again and I'm damn sick and tired of it! My life is a perfect example of how bullying can destroy a person, and fuck up one's life for keeps! So, I don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell about how some sports-tarded jock named Jason suffers from the guilt he feels after bullying students in Columbine which lead to his getting drunk and doing drugs. I hope he has to live with that guilt for the rest of his fucking life! And so . . . . . if you have been a bully who has destroyed other people's lives, and you now feel guilty about it, and wish to beg forgiveness, well don't come to me! If it's absolution you seek then go see your pedophile priest or your butt-banging bishop!

FUCK YOU!!!
Fat Man

"With the opinions, behaviors and attitudes that the members of sportssuck.org have show, its no wonder why you guys were bullied." Now that's just a bad thing to say. I was bullied by people who I had never spoken to in my life, not based on any of my opinions, attitudes, and behaviours. I don't agree with communists about their political ideologies, and I think some claims/actions made my communists are outrageous, but I don't say to them "With the opinions, behaviors and attitudes that communists have show, its no wonder why you guys were killed in concentration camps in the Holocaust". In fact, if you don't agree with my opinions, behaviours, and attitudes, they were all largely shaped by the people who have treated me with immoral actions throughout my entire life. I'm sure some other members of the forum can honestly say the same.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Why yes, Hitler's parents were largely to blame for the Holocaust, he had a terrible father who abused him, and had it not been for his father's failure at parenting, Hitler likely would have never acted as he had. Of course that doesn't mean Hitler isn't to blame, he is still at fault, but that doesn't mean other people involved in his upbringing didn't also cause it. And if it weren't for Islam, 9/11 certainly wouldn't have happened. That doesn't mean that in general, Islam is a bad thing, as it has also contributed to the world in many ways, however it is an ignorant view to not believe that Islam had a large presence in 9/11. And in this case, the Columbine shooters would have never acted so without the "encouragement" from their bullies. It is an irrational ideology that can enable future problems to only view the person directly responsible for a crime to be guilty for it. We must also reflect upon the actions of the people who influenced that crime. In this case, the bullies influenced that crime, and if it weren't for them, the shooting certainly would not have happened. Those bullies must have known that every once in a while, treating others like shit and disregarding human rights would cause drastic actions occasionally. All actions have consequences, with the significance of the consequences based on the significance of the actions. Those bullies acted upon the Columbine shooters until they believed they had nothing left to live for and that the Columbine students were worthless people who didn't deserve to live. That bully is largely to blame for the death of 15 people, almost as much as the shooters, and I believe that he was a criminal who deserved punishment. Also, on top of that, your very own argument can be used against you. You are implying that mainly only the direct perpetrators are responsible for a crime. By that logic, the Columbine bully was responsible for his own drug addiction and problems of guilt. He chose to bully which eventually led to guild and drug addiction, and only he was responsible. I retract no statements I made.

HugeFanOfBadReligion
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Correction: Andy's website is thegridironpalace.com.
Earl

Hi, Drew. I wasn't implying that Jason didn't feel any guilt until he was undergoing treatment for his addiction. I knew he turned to drugs in the immediate aftermath of the massacre because he was overwhelmed with a sense of guilt for having previously bullied the two perpetrators. What I meant was that BEFORE the massacre he knew that bullying was wrong. Many of us do things that we know are wrong. Remember, the last comment that I made about him was that I wished him well.

You may not believe this, but never in my life have I hated anyone who ever did me wrong or wished him ill. And the reason why is because THAT IS NOT RIGHT. That's not the way I was raised by my parents, and I have always believed in some sort of moral code. Throughout the years I have been critical of certain individuals' actions, but I have never wished that any misfortune befall them. I certainly have had other moral failings in my life, but hatred of others has not been one of them. I believe in justice, but I don't believe in vengence.

And, of course, I agree with you that nothing justified the murders at Columbine, needless to say. Absolutely nothing. There now is some controversy about what drove the killers, and I think there probably will always be controversy about Columbine. They seem to have shot the other students indiscriminately. I've not done a lot of reading about Columbine, but I'm not sure if any of their victims had ever tormented them. One of the victims, whose father had set up a website in memory of his son, was even a stereotypical "nerd" -- a slightly built guy with black glasses who had excelled academically whose main interest was biology.

Each of the members of this forum speaks for himself. (Incidentally, not all of the currently active members of the forum posted in this particular thread.) There is not a party line that we follow. As I've said before, we're quite capable of having a split. Again, as I've said before to other people, please check Andy's first topic, which is entitled "Here to have a civilized debate." We had a major split. I even apologized at his website thegridironplace for the way he was treated.

I'm glad that you have communicated your criticism, as it certainly is valid. If you have a reaction to what I've just said, please leave another message.

Best wishes,
Earl
Earl

I checked up your page after a few weeks and saw the Columbine bully thread. I have to say that I am completely appalled by the posts there. As you know, I sometimes troll around, and as such I've got a pretty thick skin when it comes to outrageous things on the internet -- however this one made me want to scream out and throw my monitor out my window. Let's start with the first post by Earl where he said: "Jason had a conscience, which eventually caught up with him and enabled him to feel guilt." Are you implying he didn't feel guilt until recently, once he got help? I hope I am misinterpreting because if thats the case, then you are incredibly dense. He turned drugs because he had a MASSIVE amount of guilt and didn't know how to deal with it, obviously. Next is rotten's post: "He seems a bit self centered" Fuck off. How on Earth do you get that from the article? Because of the phrasing in one quoted sentence? Thats an awfully big conclusion to jump to. It seems to me that you are simply biased because he was a jock and a bully TEN YEARS AGO and you refuse to give him the credit that he is trying to turn his life around. It's petty thing to do, and you need to look at the situation objectively. Let's move on to HugeFanOfBadReligion's post. To say that this kid is as bad as the Columbine kids is simply ridiculous. Do you blame Hitler's parents for the Holocaust? Do you blame Islam for 9/11? Call me crazy, but I think the people responsible for the Columbine shootings are *gasp* the fucking shooters! Yes, they were bullied, but being bullied is NO EXCUSE for what they did. There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with situations, and the shooters dealed with their issues in the worst way imaginable. Bullying is certainly wrong, and this kid probably contributed to the shooter's frustration at society.. but how on Earth was this guy supposed to know that the weird kids he was picking on were going to shoot up a school? For you to feel satisfaction that this kid went through 10 years of a miserable life is abominable. You should feel ashamed of yourself. Lastly, Fat Man... oh boy... everything I said to HugeFan aplies to you tenfold. Unfortunately, you are one of the most unreasonable and intolerant people I have ever encountered on the web; you are everything the front page of this website says you guys aren't. Therefore, I refuse to even bother with you. I know the following sentence will get misinterpreted greatly, but I will say them anyways: With the opinions, behaviors and attitudes that the members of sportssuck.org have show, its no wonder why you guys were bullied. You guys make me ashamed for humanity.
Drew McIntyre

Thank you for the great comment Aaron.. Drum Corps is WAY TOO ADVANCED for any football player to understand...It is kind of like playing a musical instrument WHILE YOU PLAY FOOTBALL AT THE SAME TIME!!!....It will always piss me off how band guys always get made fun of while the football players do not... What I recall, I was workin my butt off in the percussion section at football games while the other players that were not on the field were just sittin there waitin for their time to play.. When you are in band.. YOU ALWAYS PLAY...

Another extremely difficult position that is ALWAYS OVERLOOKED=...College band director
Mike

Hello Aaron. I have a great amount of respect for marching bands and similar groups. I know they physically and mentally challenging. I myself am a musician and realize that it can be difficult depending on the music being played, and on top of that marching in a manner that requires a lot of physical energy to be exerted and requires knowledge to march in the correct patterns. That is quite impressive. I have definitely observed a stereotype not only among the highschool athletic community, but also in the media, that band members and similar people are "nerds", "geeks", "wimps", "pussies", and all those similar immature insults, and I know these stereotypes are completely incorrect and it is unfair to label band members such terms. To finish up, I'll say that I do not understand the views on band members by the athletic community, and I have a great amount of respect for marching band members and anything similar.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I wanted to bring to light a competitive athletic event that most people have never heard of and thus never shows up in your forum discussions. It's an activity that requires significant mental and physical fortitude and yet, ironically, is looked down upon and shunned by the traditional jock mentality. I'm mentioning this for the sake of discussion. I'm referring to the pageantry arts:

Marching band
Winter guard
Indoor percussion
Drum and Bugle Corps

If you've never had the opportunity to see, hear, or even know what a drum corps is I implore you to check out the Drum Corps International homepage at www.dci.org and search YouTube for some videos of corps performances (I recommend Santa Clara Vanguard 1989, The Cavaliers 1995, The Cavaliers 2006, and Phantom Regiment 2008). I'll give a quick crash course:

Drum corps is a music and movement activity. Shows consist of around 11.5 minutes of performance involving demanding music and drill. A study done on a marching percussion player noted that for the 11.5 minute performance the moving members averaged the heart rate of a marathon runner at full stride. You're traveling at high speed, sometimes at huge step sizes, and carrying large pieces of metal or throwing rifles/sabres/flags into the air. At the same time you're recalling some 200 pages of drill and 11 minutes of music. But you can't just remember the music. We're musicians, we have to PLAY the music, put emotion into it, make it GOOD.

I myself marched with Spirit Drum and Bugle Corps in 2005. From an athletic standpoint it was a fantastic endeavor. I lost a lot of weight, gained good muscle tone, and gained a LOT of stamina. As a brass player, while basically running around the field for ten minutes, I can't breathe at my leisure. Running a mile and running a mile when you have to breathe in for one second and out for thirty are not remotely close when it comes to difficulty. I also grew as a musician. The techniques and teaching I learned/received from the staff have carried me as a player to this day. I grew as a person, too. From the camaraderie to the worth ethic to the goal setting I grew up a lot during the course of a 3 month season. It was an experience that I would never trade for anything.

I wanted to share this because drum corps as well as the other pageantry arts are in a strange place when it comes to the Sports Rule/Sports Suck discussion because, well, it takes athletic skill but the jocks don't want us and, quite frankly, we don't want them. I received less criticism in high school playing tennis than I did being in the marching band. Something I'll never understand about the world.

If I've piqued your interset in the drum corps activity I'd love if it you'd shoot me an email. I love spreading the word of this great activity to all the "drum corps uneducated" folks out there and don't worry, there are a lot of you. ;)

Aaron
Mellophone player, drum corps enthusiast, and Alabama football fan
Aaron <steelfalcon2001@gmail.com>
Tuscaloosa, AL USA

I support you! Sport sucks!
Mladjan <kondormit@gmail.com>
Belgrade, Serbia Serbia

I think George was just pulling our leg, and as a sucker I fell for it.
Earl

Hi, George. Needless to say, I share your repugnance to the brutal Communist movement, which has claimed the lives of 100 million people since the Bolsheviks seized power in Petrograd in 1917. I understand your negative reaction to certain images presented on a few pages of this website, but you're mistaken about our intentions. (I also must say, to be frank, that I'd never paid much attention to any of this imagery.) This website does not promote any totalitarian ideology, I assure you. The images are just hype. I'm sure this is not the only time that a group of people have borrowed imagery from a movement that was totally unlike and unrelated to their own. And as HugeFanOfBadReligion says, many revolutions had taken place long before Karl Marx' time.

Sportssuck.org is not a political website. Two or three members of the forum may express their own political views, but they speak only for themselves. There is not a "party line" here, not even on issues related to sports. And I can assure you that no one here is a Communist. That would be absurd. The members of the forum have different political views ranging from liberal to conservative. For example, I voted for Senator McCain in the last Presidential election. One of our members has told me privately that he is a Libertarian. One of the creators of this website, who prepared the home page and the schools section, happens to be a conservative Republican who is an avid supporter of the Tea Party movement. I assume he thought that confrontational images would be more likely to make more of an impression. The point is that he was not trying to promote Communism.

If you would take the time to check the forum posts (not to mention other features), you would find that there's absolutely nothing that promotes Communism; and, again, that's because this website is not political. Not to mention that we are all opposed to any brutal totalitarian movement.

In a number of posts, I've referred to the Swedish humanitarian Raoul Wallenberg as an example of a very courageous nonathletic man who, in the words of his half-sister, "detested competitive team sports." Wallenberg was one of the more prominent foreigners who was victimized by Stalin's secret police in what has to be one of the most unjust fates that anyone has ever suffered. A website promoting Communism would not allow Wallenberg's hideously unjust fate to even be mentioned.

I hope that I've given you some reassurance that we're not screaming Communism.
Earl

You know, revolutions didn't originate from communism. They came millennia before Marx did. Also, who cares how a message is spread? As long as the cause is just and no one is harmed, there is nothing wrong with similarities between one ideology and a completely different ideology in terms of how it is promoted. Sure, we compare the nonathletic to the lower class or proletariat, and we compare the jocks to the upper class or bourgeoisie, but in communism, the idea is that everyone is equal economically and no one possesses anything, but our idea here is that you can still accomplish things and achieve more than others have, but you shouldn't have to face adversity due to the lack of athletic ability. Well, that's mostly my reason to support this site, but everyone has a different reason, so I can't speak for others. But like I said, our cause is completely different, and isn't that all that matters?
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Oh I believe your portrayal is very much like communism, allow me to make an easy to read list.

1. I see a very commonly used logo of a fist raised in the air on your site, a raised fist is a commonly associated with revolution, which is what communism is based off of.

2. Your link to come into the chat room invites you to join "Comrades."

3. You have a manifesto.

4. Just LOOK at the banner picture you have in the schools section, its clearly based on Communist Chinese propaganda. Here, see a link to another picture. It also has the word REVOLUTION very clearly on it.

http://www.newint.org/features/2004/09/01/historypic.jpg

5. The entire schools section seems dedicated to pointing out how the vast majority of students (the proletariat) are oppressed by, in your exact words "the ruling class" (bourgeoisie.

Let me quote several things from your own site.

"For far too long we have labored under the crushing weight of state-endorsed sports-obsession. For too long we have suffered from the oppression of the elitest athletic groups in our schools"

"It's time to end this insanity and take back our schools NOW!"

"privileged class" (Interesting choice of word "class")

"To keep the masses indoctrinated..." (Sounds very much like Lenin)

"The first step in the battle against sports is publicly acknowledging your indifference to the big game" " The next time you're approached to participate in the office football pool, just say NO! The next time some dullard approaches you and says, "how 'bout them dawgs?", just look them straight in the eye and say, "I don't know what the heck you're talking about! I don't watch sports!". Just say NO!"

http://spaliuke.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/curranposter4.jpg

This entire site screams Communism. How could you not see that unless you put it there purposely? I agree with the message, but you've lost my support.

George <firebird270@gmail.com>

Thanks so much. Finally a site I can relate to!
Sera <riddlersgirl@gmail.com>
Garden Grove, CA 92843

George, can you please elaborate? How does this website resemble communist ideals? Do you believe that our cause is similar to communism, or that the way we portray our cause is similar to the propaganda of communism? If you believe our cause is portrayed the way that communism was exploited in communist places such as the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, North Korea, Cuba, or another communist nation? Because if you are referring to how our cause is portrayed, most ideologies use the same tactic as propaganda so I don't see how it could be only similar to communist propaganda.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Sports... sometimes i can't help but wonder... why are they so special? Like so many other people on this site I just don't know what the big deal exactly is. I also don't know why not being interested in sports means that one is classed as being unable to socialize, weird, or any of that bullshit. Just makes me wonder.
Robert <rjones4612@gmail.com>

*bare
George <firebird270@gmail.com>
Seattle, WA USA

I really dislike sports, but your website and message bear a disturbing similarity to communism, very similar.
George <firebird270@gmail.com>
Seattle, WA USA

Good, Drew. You've finally made an intelligent, relevant comment on here. Nice work.

But I don't think you should be allowed back on the forum. When you come to a website pretending to be a legit member and then proceed to fill the forums up with stupid shit to irritate people, you are banned. And normally the ban is not negotiable, as you've lied and wasted people's time in a hope of having a laugh for yourself. Your Guestbook comment is intelligent, but there are several comments on this Guestbook which appear to be from legit members but have really just been submitted as a ploy to distract people from the truth. You're probably not stupid in real life. But you pissed around on the forums and a ban was deserved. You were offered a discussion several times and refused to take this offer up in favour of putting up more stupid "chosen one" comments. I don't think you should be allowed back on.

If your motive was really sincere you would have shown it on the forums. But I strongly doubt that. Many a troll has deceived us in the past by sounding intelligent and civil. I doubt you're any different.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Good post, Drew.
Earl

I am so tired of sports and the stupid hype surrounding them, all I'm hearing about now in my office is how awful it is that the USA have gone out of the World Cup. big damn deal! Whenever somebody would come up to me and ask "How 'bout dem Tigers?" or some other stupid shit, I'd just respond by saying "WHAT DAMN TIGERS! ALL I SEE IS A BUNCH OF MORONS RUNNING AROUND A RECTANGULAR SHAPED COURT!" or whatever. Yeah. Sports bore me to death. Thank God I found people who agree with me.
Gareth

Then I'll just post here if you guys won't unban me.

In response to Fat Man's recent post in the "Sports are good for you..." thread:

I agree that those prices are pretty ridiculous for water. However what you claim you would do if refused water is equally ridiculous. First off, no one is refusing anyone anything, they are requiring you to pay for it -- theres a difference. Let's say for arguments sake that they are refusing to give you water. Pretending to go into shock is not a very good way to go about correcting this situation. It's essentially wasting their time and wasting an ambulance's time that could be devoted to a real emergency. Crying wolf is never good. Secondly you wouldn't be able to sue them for your "pain and suffering" because you weren't in pain or suffering -- at least not enough to put your life at risk. If you were sent to the emergency room they would catch on to your charade rather quickly and tell you to leave. In fact, you might get sued for fraudulently calling an ambulance. If someone is refusing you water, as in they are refusing you and only you, then you could probably have a strong case for discrimination but faking an emergency is not only stupid it's also morally wrong.
Drew McIntyre

So you think you can troll this forum, get banned, and get back in, do you? That's quite silly. You should have made your rational posts while you had our trust and stayed that way, instead of pulling all that stupid shit with us before you wanted to post rationally. I don't believe you'll even be able to post rationally if your stupid enough to troll us, get banned, and then want to post seriously. If it was up to me, I'd never lift your ban. Of course, it's not up to me, but I really hope it doesn't get lifted anyway.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

No offense, 81, but I don't think that's your decision to make
Drew McIntyre

Ah, so we're going to just lift your ban immediately, are we? Because we have every confidence you're not going to start spamming the forum again with your "chosen one" rhetoric once the ban's been lifted.

Sorry Drew. If you were sincere you would have introduced yourself to the forum that way. But I strongly doubt you are. I don't know how many people have tried this before - spamming a forum, getting banned and then begging to be let back on the day after claiming to be sensible next time. Whether you get away with it or not is not up to me. You'll probably be allowed back on, I don't know why. Personally I think you're just here to waste people's time.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

If you unban me I'll post seriously. The Drew McIntyre gimmick got old anyways -- not enough material. I understand if you won't though.
Drew McIntyre

If you haven't been approved in a day or two, I'll be sure to let the forum Admin know.
Earl

Thanks Earl. I have registered but I still can't post. I hope to be approved soon.
Drew McIntyre

Hi, Drew. Thanks for your interest in our website. I'm one of the forum moderators. What had happened was that access to the forums was temporarily denied. We've had a problem with trolls lately; so, the forum Admin may have restricted access briefly. As a moderator I had nothing to do with it. Access has now apparently been restored. Please try again. We're always glad to have new members, as long as they're not trolls or abusive. Again, welcome.

Earl

Hello. I found this site yesterday and want to join but it seems as if the forums are no more. What happened??
Drew McIntyre

In response to Random Dude:

Yeah, those are good reasons to hate sports. 42 of 'em!

I could probably think of a thousand reasons (or more) to hate sports, but trying to list them all would make me sick and want to up-chuck!

It's not the sport itself, but rather, the cultural mystique that revolves around sports, like it's the most important thing in all the cosmos, which of course, it is not!

It's like, sports has become the sun around which all the worlds revolve.

The typical rude obnoxious jock, he thinks (assuming jocks can think at all) that he is the master of all he surveys, but the typical jock is only a worm, an insect, a dung beetle, batting away at his little ball of muck, and fooling himself that he trundles the sun!

And most athletic coaches are just a bunch of unimaginative, business-as-usual, seven-carbon sons of bitches who can go take a jump at a galloping goose or a flying fuck at the moon as far as I'm concerned.

In the cosmic scheme of things, they are of no greater significance than some poor old drunken Skid Row bum passed out is some dark back alley somewhere.

Oh! My God! Me thinks I wax poetic!!!

Fat Man
El Paso, TX USA

42 REASONS TO HATE SPORTS:
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1. They are boring
2. Sports is watched by retarded people with no lives or hobbies.
3. The jocks & cheerleaders think they are better than everyone else.
4. Video games are much more fun
5. It's the reason why Americans are so stupid when it comes towards math & science
6. I rather watch the Discovery or History Channel.
7. I rather watch COPS, AMW, or some other show with some substance.
8. The dumb athlete gets "special treatment" from his school to go to a college when he doesn't even make good grades. C'mon how's that even fair to the rest of us?
9. Public schools value sports more than academics, when it is the academics that will get you a good job. WTF!
10. All professional sports are fake! By fake, I mean they take steroids, do drugs, etc. People in this profession make horrible role models.
11. Sports fans are PEDOPHILES! Why? Because they go to the games to see little 15 yrs old cheerleaders dance in mini-skirts & belly shirts. Sports fans are perverted.
12. Cheerleaders are mean, snobby, slutty women who need to die!!!
13. I rather read a book
14. Jocks are faggots. They love to pick on the nerds & try to "molest" them. I can't believe sports fans look up to these people!!!
15. Majority of idiots are sports fans
16. Get a REAL hobby sports fags!!!
17. Sports fans enjoy humiliating the social outcasts.
18. Majority of sports fans & sports players are complete assholes.
19. Does the game mean that much to you? Wow! Your pathetic.
20. Martial Arts is the only sport I have respect for.
21. The majority of sports fans & sports players are bullies.
22. Sports programs ruin my Sunday & Saturday evenings because when I want to see The Simpsons or COPS, it doesn't come on because some dumb football game is on. Where's my favorite show?
23. Playing sports won't get a good job. The chances of being a professional athlete is like 1 to 1000. Those odds aren't in your favor.
24. You go to school to LEARN, not play or watch a guy kick/throw a ball on the field!
25. People choose their colleges based on the football team. Uhh...that's not a good idea. Just because a school is popular, doesn't mean it's a good school. Look at Texas A&;M! Their engineering program is the WORST I have ever seen.
26. I hate girls who are sports fans. I just do! They have no lives & aren't worth my time.
27. In high school, those annoying prep allies ruined my concentration. I want to study! Not watch the school's football team ruin my learning.
28. I hate being FORCED to go to prep rallies. Not everyone is a brainwashed sports fag.
29. Cheerleaders end up fat after high school/college & the football players end end bald & fat.
30. Jocks are the assholes of every sports. They aren't considered Athletes, because Athletes actually respect people & aren't assholes like jocks.
31. Sports video games are a abomination to all sports & video games.
32. Suck my cock if you disagree with these points
33. Playing with balls makes you look gay LOL
34. Most jocks make horrible boyfriends
35. Cheerleaders make horrible girlfriends
36. Many sports fans are UNSPORTSMANLIKE! Even on the field.
37. It's just a game! Not a matter of life or death dumb-asses
38. Sports fans like to degrade those who don't like sports by calling them "unmanly", "weird", or name calling. Apparently sports fans don't understand people have different tastes.
39. We don't hate sports because we aren't good them, we hate them because they are uninteresting.
40. Sports fans suck at math & science. Watching sports can make you dumb.
41. Sports fans are lazy
42. Suck my cock if you don't agree with these points!
randomDude <sdfasdf@yahoo.com>
Your Mom, KY USA

In response to Mike:

Yeah, I guess sports fans would much rather watch a bunch of tall skinny guys in baggy loose shorts jumping around butting a ball through a metal hoop, or football fans would rather watch a bunch a moronic monkey-boys in tight pants chasing an oval-shaped ball. And they call us fags???
Fat Man
El Paso, TX USA

I had a really good time last night at a local bar here in town. While all of the sports freaks were watching the basketball game, I met and had a great conversation with a hot blonde chick that was sitting at the bar that nobody (too busy watching the game) was talking to. I find it hilarious how when it comes down to it, the sports freaks would rather shout and yell at a TV than talk to a hottie..
Mike

I can't believe how many people have truly convinced themselves that sports matter. Not to mention the violence perpetrated in sport's name. Sounds familiar...
Mac
TX USA

Ahh. kindred spririts. How refreshing....I am the bullied spouse of a footbal fan. I hate footbal.
Johnny Doodads

In response to Who Cares:

Quote:
"Wow. Fat Man now hopes all fans of sports get cancer. I thought that he "listens and learns from his mistakes". That guy is trash, and that how more you give him free reign to spew his bigotry the less credible your site becomes."
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Actually I was only kidding.

It was in response to a stupid one-line comment by SensibleSportsman concerning an earlier post I had made on a previous page in a forum topic.

He said "This post gave me cancer." YEAH RIGHT!

So, I suggested that we all make more anti-sports posts in the hopes that all sports fans would get cancer from reading them and wither away and die in their single axle trailer homes.

It was a joke! Yes, a stupid joke! But a joke nonetheless.

Come on now! Like, seriously! Does anybody believe that a person can get cancer just from reading something???

I certainly don't!

Now maybe a sports fan or a jock will go insane if you put him in a round room and tell him to go sit in a corner.

And a jock or sports fan will lose a night's sleep and go nuts trying to spell C-A-T.

But nobody gets cancer just from reading something.

So, when NonsensicalSportsman said that reading one of my posts gave him cancer, naturally I feel like saying "GOOD! I hope more sports fans and jocks read my posts!"

But there is really no danger of that happening because just reading something will not give you cancer. OK?

Also, most jocks and sports fans can't even read anyway, at least not beyond the 2ed grade lavel.

In fact, most can't even find their way back out of their own socks!

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CAUTION: The Surgeon General warns that reading any Internet forum posts by Fat Man may cause you to get cancer.
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YEAH RIGHT!!!

Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Paso, TX USA

I have to agree with "who cares" that wishing genocide is completely beyond the pale.
Earl

Expressing disdain for sports is one thing, but wishing genocide is a completely different thing. It's a shame that you can't see the difference, 1981.
who cares

Hmmm... I wonder how much success I'd have if I went onto a sports forum and asked them to ban their most active member because he had some extreme views against non-sports enthusiasts like myself? Somehow I doubt I'd be showered with acceptance and agreement. I'm sorry, but hard as you may try, you're not going to get Fat Man banned. I personally haven't agreed with some of the statements made in his recent posts but the fact stands that this is an ANTI-SPORTS forum where the members are entitled to let off the steam that has been put in them through the negative side of sports culture, so it's not a gross breach of our forum's ideology or rules. Oh sure, it would be an instant ban on any other forum but look at the site name. SPORTS. SUCK. Bound to be some extreme comments here? You don't like them? Well, I advise you to leave this site because if they're going to be anywhere on the internet, they will be here. That is all I have to say.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Wow. Fat Man now hopes all fans of sports get cancer. I thought that he "listens and learns from his mistakes". That guy is trash, and that how more you give him free reign to spew his bigotry the less credible your site becomes.

And before you give me that crap about how he "doesn't represent all of us": By allowing him to continue posting you are guilty by association. By not deleting his posts or banning him you are essentially saying it's okay to express those vile and disgusting thoughts. Wishing cancer upon millions of people is okay but god forbid anyone makes a case that sports are a good thing! Your website is a complete joke.
who cares

http://www.puppetgov.com/2010/06/09/america%e2%80%99s-bread-and-circus-society/
Bell depress vu

Sports are so damn bad it's unbelievable! What inspires huge crowds of people to go mad just because their team has lost a game! It's not even like they know anyone on the team. To be honest, I think it would do the world a lot of good if professional sports were to be eradicated completely! All they do is make people go insane over nothing! And as far as compulsory sports in schools go... don't get me started! I fail to see how teaching people to throw a ball better or run around with one is called "education"! It's a total joke! I failed to understand the big deal about sports in the first place, and I still do now! It's just stupid! Like who died and made sports God?
Tom <thetacticaltom@yahoo.com>

Tell me Nick, if you wanted to be taken seriously by us, why did you create a false identity to use on the forums and lie to us? Was there really anything to gain from that apart from doing it "for teh lulz"? If you want a serious discussion now, have one, but now that you've done that and thrown another load of crap at us I'm not sure taking you seriously is a good idea.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

P.S. I did not create this website. I had absolutely nothing to do with the main page. I would have taken a different approach.
Earl

Now we're communicating.

Are you referring to the way that I reacted towards you in the forum?
Earl

Hi, Nick. Yes, I did say that I was going to be very busy today; but I have time to leave a relatively brief message. As long as you don't troll, I'd be delighted to converse with you for the sake of understanding each other.

First of all, perhaps the reason why this website seems ambiguous to you is because we (the forum members who defend this website) are not all of the same mind. We don't think alike. You almost seem to think that we're practicing groupthink here, but I can assure you that we're not doing that. For a group of people that is so small, we're actually quite diverse.

I need to ask you a question. When you say that "what he is saying is the exact opposite of what he is doing," who is the "he" to whom you are referring? Are you referring to me, or are you referring to Fat Man or someone else? If we are to communicate, you and I must understand what the other means. Otherwise, we'll just talk past each other and possibly end up yelling at each other. So, I need to know to whom you are referring here.

You ask why should we spend time talking about sports if we don't like them. Why not? Political liberals don't like political conservatives, but they sure spend a lot of time talking about them. And vice versa. People let off steam about all sorts of concerns. So, I don't get your point here. I will assume that you're not just trying to shut us up.

Perhaps the leading reason why I talk about sports is because I recognize that the traditional sports-centered approach to physical education has failed nonathletic students miserably. There are P.E. coaches and former P.E. coaches who make this claim themselves, and they are right. What nonathletic boys and girls need to do is to get on an exercise program, instead of being forced to participate in competitive team sports in mandatory P.E. I realize that there have been some changes since I was required to take sports-centered P.E. through junior high, and I am thankful for those changes. But as Coach Tim McCord (a leading proponent of the innovative PE4Life program) personally informed me in an e-mail, the old P.E. is still with us, meaning that way too many school districts still have the same tired approach that does not promote physical fitness for all students. I hate to see kids go through the same negative, pointless experience that I went through when I was a teenager. In other words, this issue is relevant TODAY.

As they say, the floor is yours. Remember that my purpose is not to debate you. I want to communicate and not yell.
Earl

I completely agree with you, HugeFan. To be honest, what annoys me about this site is how ambiguous it is.

MAIN PAGE: RAAAWR OVERSTATEMENTS!! I WAS BULLIED 30 YEARS AGO BUT NOW I HAVE A WEBSITE OUT FOR REVENGE RAAAAAH!!!11

FORUM:
At first it was like: Oh, we're actually here for civilized debates. Srry lol
But THEN... : RAAAAAH!!!

You get m'point. What I was pointing out in my last paragraph is that what he is saying is the exact opposite of what he is doing.

And also, I was pointing out that if you guys hate sports so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them? You're practically sports FANATICS.
Nick

Nick, I will make a lengthy response to your message in a few days. Being a family man, I happen to be rather busy at the moment with pressing responsibilities. Please be patient. I will respond to you.
Earl

Nick, you are correct. This site is biased. But that is the same with many forums. It's like having a fan page of something that allows people to join that have no interest in whatever the subject of the forum is, because the point of the forum is to offer a place for people with a certain viewpoint. This viewpoint happens to be against sports. Of course we'd prefer to talk with people who we agree with on the subject rather than jocks or trolls, because we came to this site because it is one of the few places there are were you can find others who dislike sports without being ridiculed or assaulted by others. However, now trolls and sports bores visit here, and that ruins the purpose of having the site. That's why this site is more fair to people who share the same viewpoint of the site. It's supposed to be a safe haven for non athletic people, a rest from a world that is seemingly based on sports.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Also, I did not mean to imply that you're the only one who has failings. It's the whole staff. I almost feel like Fat Man complaining to Girlvinyl and thinking she made everything on ED.
Nick

You would never support an 'I hate jocks' site... but you allow posts saying that sports players and the fans who are entertained by them should be lined up and shot. You allow death threats. Your members grossly exaggerate facts and rage that a school would DARE show that it has beaten another in athletic ability. If you truly don't support 'I hate jocks' websites, then why do you support this one? Whenever a true non-troll appears, if he is in favor of sports you allow your members to cuss him out. Instead of deleting posts and locking threads (you allowed a thread named 'Nick the Prick' to stay active) the moderators ignore your own rules and only enforce them against those with opposing viewpoints. Then you sit on the sidelines as Fat Man, a victim of bullying, plays out his fantasies of bullying people a quarter of his age. Instead of reining him in, he is allowed free reign himself. He is practically a moderator. I caught flak for quoting him -insulting me- because I was pointing out the fact that he is a bully. Until you and the rest of the moderating staff start cleaning up your board, I highly doubt that you have any problems with the phrase 'I hate jocks.'

Of course, you'll probably ignore my wisdom and delete this guestbook comment, because that's how this site rolls. You wanted a debate, here you go.

And also, if your board is for people uninterested in sports, why is so much space taken up by sports-related posts? 6/8 of your boards are about sports. This is more of a 'complain about sports and talk about teenage fantasies of killing people' than a community of people who don't like sports. That is also why trolls continue milking this lol-cow of a website.

Nick Trano signing off.
Nick

Well, Nick, after deleting the next to the last message of yours, I bit. I give up. Unfortunately, you're making some valid charges; but your motivation is wrong. You probably would like to see this website hacked. Actually, Fat Man is probably the only reason you came to this website. I was going to delete all your Guestbook messages, but I've changed my mind. At the same time that you're a pest, you're also actually amusing in a way. Yes, I must admit that's a compliment. So, you can continue to play your little game. I think that one or more of the other members might actually be enjoying this little tit for tat.

I did not create this website, and I do not agree with every statement that has been made in the forum and elsewhere at this website. I'm almost getting tired of being a moderator. The main reason I've continued to do so is because I've established friendships with some of the active forum members, plus I think there should be a website for people who simply are not interested in sports. Since several good friends of mine are former school athletes, I would never support a website that was simply an "I hate jocks" website.

Fat Man does not represent me. He speaks for himself. I have no problem with "an individual who enjoys watching sports on TV after a hard day's work supporting their family."

Have fun, Nick.
Earl

Sorry, I messed up on deleting part of my last post (when I was quoting the bishop) before it was posted.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

"Pretending to be God and parroting his power of creation is an enormous risk that can plunge men into a barbarity... (Scientists)should never forget that there is only one creator: God."

- Bishop Domenico Mogavero on creating synthetic life

"(Scientists)should never forget that there is only one creator: God."

-Bishop Domenico Mogavero on creating synthetic life

There is not one ultimate view on the subject Nick. It would be naive for anybody to think that there is a unanimous opinion on the subject, whether it is in support or against the creation of synthetic life.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Thank you, Earl. Of course, Fat Man then went on to attempt to drive me to suicide. I find that incredibly impolite. I expected one who has had such harsh experiences with bullying in the past would not be so quick to stoop to their level. Fat bitch or no, insulting someone's religion, lying and copypasting the same post multiple times changing a few words around each time (rape story copypasted OVER 9000 times) should not be considered reasonable contributions to any forum. He is offensive, anti-catholic, and anti-gay (as shown by his many homo-bashing remarks) and yet he is allowed to stay. He has far exceed the (ironic) three strikes. In my opinion, he is far worse than an individual who enjoys watching sports on TV after a hard days' work supporting their family.
Nick

I hadn't read the synthetic life topic. If I had, I would have recognized James as a 4chan troll and banned him immediately.

I've done you an undeserved favor, Nick. I did this for the sake of Catholic readers who might be offended by Fat Man's post. (Actually, I'm relieved. I was afraid that it might be worse than it was.) Even though you were banned from the forum, I've copied and pasted your objection to that topic. Now, whether your motive was sincere, I'll let the reader decide.

Nick, you're not supposed to be here. I don't think I'll bite the next time. If you're a guest in someone's home where you're rude or you act up, you're told to leave. That's what you've done at this website. So, go play somewhere else.
Earl

In the synthetic life topic. First he lied and said the church opposed the synthetic life (they released a statement in favor of it) then he shared his fantasy of defacating on the pope. Gross.
Nick

Where did he insult Catholicism?
Earl

You guys really need to reign Fat Man in. I just noticed him insultibg catholicism. That's really offensive. For someone who is so against bullying, he seems fond of it.

As the Channer said, you're all just. Like. Us.

Kthxbai
Nick

Funny, but i_like_1981 said just as much in a recent post of his. Of course, you would never give us credit for being right about anything. Nick, you're still irritating. Since you had been banned from the forum, I had resolved just last week to start deleting your messages from the Guestbook; but I decided to not delete your latest comments. Oddly enough, your comments here have generally been slightly more intelligent and less irritating than your comments in the forum. I just wish you weren't playing games. ;)
Earl

You know if you guys changed the main page you would seem a little less dickish to people, right? (Until they meet Gerald St. Germaine, that is...)
Nick

That's such a great argument David. I am so intimidated. Now I think that sports are the ultimate way of life and that I will now join a sports team and pick on the people who excel academically. Thanks for showing me the truth in life that sports really are the most important thing of all time.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Also thanks for calling me clever.
Nick

So was it the really obvious sarcasm, the hidden I AM NICK message, or the mistake of not turning wifi from my cell phone off that gave me away?

At first I was all like LOL but then I got bored with a character I instantly disliked. Also, I didn't change my way of speaking enough. I tried the frantic teenage angst that's so prevalent on this board but I couldn't make it work for myself. I'll admit I failed epicly there... but I'm not the one with the board that claims to be civil and doesn't even follow its own rules, am I? :) Well, I just hope you don't catch my original.
Nick

David, you probably won't visit this website again; but I'll say this, anyway: I can understand why you would be offended by this website, but those of us who support it do not all think alike. We have different points of view and have sometimes even disagreed with one another in the forum. At least several of us actually don't hate sports. I consider myself to be a critic of the sports culture, which is not the same as hating sports. Even though I'm not a sports fan, I have no problem with sports as a form of recreation. I'm not a gamer, and for about two years I've been working out at a health club on a bodybuilding program. I_like_1981 started working out at a local gym about a month ago. And I'm not very computer literate either.
Earl

HAHAHAHA WOT A LOAD OF FAGGOTZ! YOUR ALL SUCH A BUNCH OF GAYZ I CUD KICK DA SHIT OUT OF YALL! HUHUHUHUH CHEK OUT ME AN MAH HOT GF! SHE BETTA DEN ANYFIN U CUD GET U FUCKIN TECHIE! MY NAME DAVE AND I HEAD JOCK! YOUR SITE IS CRAP!

Is that all you got, Dave? Really? Oh yeah, sorry, you're so right. We MUST be retarded because we don't like sports. We MUST all be pathetic losers because we don't like chasing balls around or watching other people chase balls around. Yeah, how right you are. Silly me. Thanks for showing me the light. Now if you don't mind, I need to go stock up on beer, food, and a bunch of other morons for DA BIG GAME TONITE! WOOOT!

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

What is wrong with sports you retards!?!? You guys are just a bunch of stupid gamers who sit around wasting your time and getting fat and lazy. Wow.. this website is pathetic.
David
Caldwell, ID United States

I can't stand people who follow sports religiously. It's an unhealthy obsession that needs to stop.
Person McMan

If anyone falls for that guy, I will laugh my ass off. *patiently awaits Fat Man's rage post after he bricks his computer*.
Nick

Hello Sporthaters!
Thank you for a wonderful sporthate website. I love this website
Please support my swedish sporthate club, you can support We dont like sport by join. Please click on "gå med" link in my website. Taht means "Join"
Soon i release my sporthate website in english, so everyone can understand.
Please support.

With love from Christian
URL: www.wix.com/avskysport/vi-som-avskyr-sport
Christian <nutte_arvidsson@hotmail.com>
Sweden

Okay thanks, I'll see you all then.
Turudes <Sedurut@ymail.com>

We'd be delighted to have you as a member. Please be patient. The admin who handles new accounts (Skul) sometimes is busy with his job in real life. Don't worry. You will be cleared.
Earl

I'm glad to finally find this place. One of my friends told me about it. I hate sports, you wouldn't believe the shit athletes get away with at my school!!!

Anyways I just made an account... how long does the verification take?
Turudes <Sedurut@ymail.com>

>my face when 1981 gets trolled hard by john copypasta then tries to brag about his response to it, even though he knows its copypasta
asd

The worst example of a moral coward on these forums would be "Captain America". Goes and stirs up all that trouble and abuse on his thread and never comes back to consider any responses. Man, I hate that guy. His post was three years before I found this website. I still hate him.

By the way, Nick, what did you think of my response to "john"? I have to admit, that message got me so mad. His self-important face on that photo and slutty girlfriend reminded me of one of my old enemies from high school. After typing out my rather emotionally-charged response to his post I smashed my computer desk twice with my fist and roared at the screen. True dat.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

"It's funny because none of you have been in highschool for at least two decades" What the hell? What are you smoking? I'm in high school, and so are many other members here. I know for a fact that there are still immature jocks who pick on others at high school. Think before you post.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Nick, I was at high school from the years of 1992 to 1997, so your presumptions about all the members here having not been to high school in at least 20 years are wrong. Yes, back in the mid-90s things were slightly different. There wasn't so much technological chitchat. Mobile phones were only just starting to become commercially popular, the Internet was not a great deal more than just text and a few pictures (we hadn't got Facebook then, THANK GOD, I'd have probably received further grief for being the only person not to have one), computers were pretty crap and slow compared to what we have now and as for iPods... well, there was none of them. Walkmen were in back then but they were banned from our school due to all the scumbags stealing them. Nonetheless, I had one - didn't bring it in, though. That would have been a bad idea. But the way I see it is, there have always been intolerant and cruel students around whose attitudes simply stink and this will never change. There will always be bullies and victims. The only thing that will change is the way they do it. Nowadays it can be done through social networking sites, instant online chat services etc., stuff that wasn't even around a decade ago. What was your point in that message, Nick? There will always be scumbags who bully in school. It's always been like that. The kids today are no different - some of them bully. Just because they have ways of doing it which people in us older guys' days didn't, doesn't mean their motives or intentions have changed any. There will always be people who take delight in ruining other's lives.

I responded to your message because I'm quite sure you'll be back to read it. We know what you're like, Nick. As for Dara... I don't know. I won't say anything. I think Earl has said what needed to be said. Chances are she'll be one of those "hit-and-run" types who won't come back to read and consider any responses to her message so until I'm proven wrong, I shall take my leave!

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

She probably won't visit this website again; so, I'm probably wasting time posting this comment. But I've done it, anyway.

Dara, none of us actually has said that playing a sport is "a bad thing." I would challenge you to quote any of our posts that has said so. You have misrepresented our position, either deliberately or out of ignorance. I have said repeatedly that I respect athletic achievement. Before you indict someone, you should take the time to be sure that you understand his point of view. This you obviously haven't done. You say that you feel sorry for us. Pardon me; but you sound condescending, if not sarcastic.

Earl

It's funny because none of you have been in highschool for at least two decades, yet you know what happens to "kids these days."
Nick

The only ones who have scolded Fat Man have been members of the forum because they care about him. The 4chan trolls and their sympathizers have yelled at him and have mocked, ridiculed, and humiliated him -- all under the whitewash of "We're for truth and justice." But what they're really for is manipulating others for their entertainment.
Earl

The extent that Fat Man listens is fairly limited. He'll only admit that he is in the wrong if you call him out very very delicately and only by a respected member of this forum. If he scolded by anyone he doesn't know very well he goes apeshit. Even when he does own up to his mistakes, he does nothing to improve upon them and makes the same hyperbolic statements and continues to jump to illogical conclusions only a few posts later. The guy just doesn't have his head on straight. And please, don't give me that rehashed crap about how he's been through traumatic experiences and that justifies his behavior. I've met people who have gone through some awful things as well, but they try their damnest to persevere through it instead of blaming semi-imaginary boogeymen and decending into insanity.
Who cares

Sorry, Dara; but the CULTURE that is associated with (but is not inherently a part of) CERTAIN (but not all) sports DOES encourage bullying. (Of course, there are more than a few school athletes who reject this culture because of the moral upbringing that they've received from their parents and other authority figures.) I've studied this issue for many years. Today what are nonathletic boys who have no interest in sports called? "Fags." And that's just the starting point. And you mention "discrimination"? To what discrimination are you referring?
Earl

At least when Fat Man is reprimanded, he listens. And we've had the likes of someone called "Samdaman" around who was many times more offensive. I don't think he could make one post (where he made a total of 96, not counting his sockpuppet account, Yo_Joe) without making some kind of insulting or derogatory remark.
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Serious question to the admins here: Why is Fat Man not banned? You guys are quick to ban people who post insulting material but I've read tons of offensive things from Fat Man. It's impossible to take you guys seriously when you keep a member like that around. Do you guys just feel bad for him or something?
Who cares

I have never said that playing sports is a bad thing. Like most of our critics, you misunderstand the position of most of those who support this website.
Earl

Playing sports is not a bad thing, if anything they help you meet new people/friends and if your local sports team does well it will generate money for the local economy. Sports is not the problem here, it does not make people act like assholes, nor does it encourage bullying. Your anger and hate is misplaced and quite frankly I feel sorry for you guys. Life is too short to waste on stuff like hate and discrimination and in the long run won't do any of you a lick of good.
Dara

if ya don't like it don't fucking come here. its cause of you fuckin 4chan dolts why they're not validating all accounts that get made. i'm hardly surprised by it. why are they gonna let you fuckin spammers waste more of their time? 4chan = idiot and timewaster congregation.
4chan sucks

in b4 this comment gets deleted. also LOL@ members here who say sports fans are supressing free speech but then deleting opposing comments on the guestbook and preventing peple with opposing beliefs from registering on their forums. never change sportssuck.org!
erghq

If you want my opinion, the most idiotic sports bores are the ones that type in nothing but capitals. COZ WERE LIKE DA BEST ONES HERE AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS! HAHAHA! I wonder what they're trying to prove that way?

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England,

Not that I was around when Samdaman was around, but he doesn't seem like the kind of person that would capitalize when appropriate.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

* Earl bursts out laughing and continues to laugh and chuckle for over a minute. *
Earl

That just shows how little he matters, Earl. :P
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Hasn't anyone noticed that Samdaman has returned? (Scroll down past several messages.) No reaction? ;)
Earl

Nick, your entire argument consisted of "I'm only 14 years old" and "Chill out and smoke a bowl man". You "fail hard". You waste your time on sites that you have no definite opinion on. Now screw off, I'm getting bored with you.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Mike, I like your optimism. Sadly it just doesn't work for all of us. Particularly when you have greasy hair, stubble and glasses. ;)

Nick, stop spamming.
i_like_1981
England

Now, my /sp/ friend, they've only deleted one thing which I added for the specific purpose of them making a rage topic about (if you truly wrote the fanfics, thank you for the idea). I never expected it to last. However, the main point I want to argue with you is my age: I am 14 years old. =)

Also... Baddy, your whole argument was that someone frm 4chan disagreed with me... so yes, you failed hard. :-)

I'll check back in a few days for some replies. To be honest, I wish I had added some quotes to the Fat Man page. Some of his posts were golden.

Also, Spartan, do you think there should be a Sports Suck page as well as or instead of a Fat Man page? A lot of the stuff on the Fat Man page isn't about him. Thoughts?
Nick

To all of you fellow single sports haters out there that are looking for hot chicks...this is a GREAT time of the year for that. Just go to any sports bar and you will find TONS of hotties that are not being given the proper attention by their NBA Finals watching boyfriends...Just take your pick....their boyfriends or dates will be so into the game that they will NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT THEIR CHICK DOES NOT CARE!!!!!!!!!!
Mike

I HATE sports. I always have and I always will. Up until now, I thought I was alone in my absolute HATRED of sports until I found this website. I fail to see the attraction of sports. In fact, I find sports to be gay. A bunch of men playing around with each other. Who the hell wants to see that?
Shawn Rubin <h47xxx@gmail.com>
Van Nuys, CA United States

Hey, faggots! You thought you'd seen the last of me, eh? Well, I'm BACK; and I'm gonna get revenge! Bwhahahahahaha!
Samdaman

Just so the message that I posted previously will make sense, the "brief message" has been deleted (by Ray, I assume). It's no big deal. I just didn't want the reader to be confused. Anyone can be impersonated on this guestbook webpage, which gives me an idea ...
Earl

I did not write the brief message below that was submitted in my name. Someone has misappropriated my username for his own purpose. As proof, I am not in the habit of using hyperbole.

Sports hater, please don t assume that all of the forum members who support this website all think alike and have the same views. We don't practice groupthink. I do not hate sports fans. If you read enough of my posts, you would see that.

I will assume that your criticism is sincere and that you re not just making a misrepresentation for the sake of putting yourself in a superior position (which, as you must admit, is easy to do in this medium where true identity cannot be established conclusively). For several months we ve had a problem with a group of trolls acting together (not just individuals) targeting our website; hence, our suspiciousness at this time. Regarding SmartSportsPerson, I did use the e-mail function to send him an apology for my initial reaction to his posts. At first to me he did seem to be smart-alecky. At one point he personally insulted one of the other members over his marital status, which (as you must admit) has absolutely no relation to any issue relevant to this website. Again, I apologized to SmartSportsPerson; but he was not without fault in the matter.

If you would check older topics, you would see that Polite24, SportsGuy92, and Andy (all of whom were decent critics of this website) were allowed to post as long as they wanted. I will admit that some of us have been quite rude to sports fans, but I ve not been one of them. If you checked the topic Here for a civilized debate, you will see that we actually split over the way Andy was treated. Even Skul the forum admin was furious over the way he was treated. I even apologized at his football fan website. So, please don t be so quick to make such a broad generalization about all of us.
Earl

I don't really like sports but...I was looking at your board, and the way you guys treat sports fans is abominable. I've lurked around and I understand many of you have been bullied or have seen the negative aspects of sports culture. Be that as it may, thats no excuse for you to irrationally dismiss any sports fan simply for liking sports. No everyone on your board who engages you in debate is a troll. In particular I've seen "SmartSportsFan" get dismissed and insulted for giving you tips how to deal with trolls. That's outrageous! You people should be ashamed of yourselves. You guys are even worse than the sports fans you hate!
A sports hater

No, the admins had to validate accounts to keep out the trolls (as opposed to serious critics), who (by definition) (the trolls, that is :) ) aren't serious and really have nothing to say. You give yourself away, troll. Now run along like a good little boy to 4chan or your favorite porn website.
Earl

>mfw admins had to validate accounts because they were afraid new posters could hurt their little feelings
Ray Finkle

Another /sp?/artan frustrated! Score!!!
Ray

You are right, Nick. I did rage. It's because of you that sportssuck.org thinks everyone is a 4chan troll. Thanks for ruining any lulz potential, cunt. Now we can't have funny trolls like Hank come in and produce hilarity. Now we have to deal with your half-assed shit trolling. Also, it's obvious you aren't 14. You suck. No one likes you. Even the ED admins had to delete your shitty contributions to the wiki. You're trolling yourself.

Whoever said that a perfect game is easy because they saw one in little league made me lol. 10/10, made me rage hard. The trolling is strong in that one.

And Ray, you are terrible. A sports fan who ISN'T a troll comes in here for some discussion and you're response is "YAY ANOTHER SPORTS FAN PISSED OFF". Seriously, if you guys are going to talk shit about 4chan, but then respond in a juvenile manner towards a rational person then I've got news for you: You are just. like. us. Feels good to sink to the bottom doesn't it?
/sp/artan

Sportfan80, you waited ONE DAY for validation? Look, we have lives, you know. You've been validated now, but the reason it took an unbearably long amount of time was because I'm busy in real life.
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Another frustrated sports fan (below). SCORE!!! :)
Ray

I signed up for an account on here yesterday which never got validated, so i then went and had a look around your forums. jesus christ, you people are pretty paranoid. you are presuming that everyone who wants to sign up fot your forums is a troll who wants to spam you. no wonder you are hardly getting any activity on here and lot of your members are getting bored stiff. i myself am a fan of sports and dont particularly like seeing what the aparent recent attacks on your forum have done to the morals of some of your members; it's obvious some of you want a debate but just aren't getting it. yeah, you don't want trolls spamming your forum, which is understandable. But how hard can it be to delete a few pointless posts or ban a user? surely not that hard. You have a Spammer rank. Use it. i would have liked to have a talk on your forums. but it's obvious the people who run your board presume that everyone signing up now is a spammer who just wants to cause trouble, therefore i see no use in signing up to a forum where I have to beg in order to be allowed on and where I'm probably just going to get a load of unjustified suspicions thrown at me anyway. So have fun, and if you are ever getting bored to death on here of nobody having anything to say, you'll understand why. Even with the ass-licking username of "smartsportsperson" (i think that's what it was) I can't even get on here. I know when people dont want to talk, so goodbye, and best of luck with your ambitions in life.

Yours, Sportfan80

Sportfan80

Nick, I never claimed that 4channers all act together. I said that the 4channers don't like you, and that is a "hard fail (what were you smoking when you made that up? I guess I don't even need to ask) that you misinterpreted my comment that bad. And I'm afraid you are the one that requires a break from the Internet if you spend so much time on it that you join a forum that has ideology that you have no opinion on. Then again, I suppose my points are rendered useless, because you're 14 years old. Oh my god!
HugeFanOfBadReligion

As well, transgenders are grooooooosssss...
Nick

Lol HugeFanOfBadReligion, fail hard... what you seem to believe is that everyone who visits 4chan is part of a group and that none of the people who visit the website act without approval of the whole. That is retarded, and you have failed. Now, 4channer, I believe you are suffering a case of nerd rage, and should take a break from the internets. =)
Nick

1981, I wouldn't exactly suggest putting your Email on this site considering all of the trolls. I know they can't do much with an Email address, and it would only cause a minor setback, but if it falls into the wrong hands they can become annoying until you do something to stop the Emails, such as marking certain addresses as spam or getting a new Email.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Well, Tessa, I don't particularly like being branded such names as "faggot", "queer" or "gay" because I don't share the same interests in sports as everyone else. Some of our members, including myself, react defensively when attacked. I believe in giving back what I get to any flamers on here. If they start off with the swearing and insults then I give it back to them. There is no point in being reasonable to those who quite clearly are only here to cause problems. Sorry if you find some remarks on this website quite offensive but when the insults are thrown around on this website, it is not exactly the time for people to showcase their finer sides. As for the Jersey of shame, I believe that is only given to the most obnoxious and unreasonable sports fans. It is done to point out those who have shown an exceptional level of obnoxiousness and ignorance. I don't believe every sports fan who visits here is a bully and should be given it, but if we are insulted by authoritarian sports fans on here we have to give them back what they give to us. Admirable? Not exactly. Justified? Yes.

Best regards,
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England,

Tessa, I don't exactly agree with some of the homophobic things on the site either, however I do believe it is just to be ironic because jocks always call unathletic people "fags" or phrases along the lines of that. They basically claim that all non athletes are homosexuals, and they are definitely homophobes. It just makes them mad I guess because they think they are more privileged than us and only we can be made fun of.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Can someone please explain why is this site so homophobic? I mean giving people who aren't liked by the site admins avatars saying GAY, or calling people 'homo', like seriously? I would like to join here because I'm tired with sports but as a transgendered person I find such acts by the admins offensive.

Love, Tessa
Tessa

Fantasy Football = Dungeons & Dragons for jocks...
Mike

"Pitcher Pitches Perfect Game"

So what's the big deal? I once pitched a perfect game in little league when I was eleven so if an eleven year old kid can pitch a perfect game so should a full grown man. Big whoop.
Jim

Touche, HugeFan!
Earl

This may be one of the first time I've seen a 4chan comment I agree with. How do you feel now Nick, nobody cares for you. Obviously we don't, but also the 4channers you have sucked up to even don't care about you. You tried to brag about yourself because of something that required no skill, and you failed. Now get off of the Internet.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Hey Nick, you're a fucking faggot, so is everyone else on this website, but you are the worst. You are not hot shit for trolling Fat Man months after people stopped caring. Also, don't edit ED if you are only going suck your own dick, post funny shit. Nobody cares if you came on this board and trolled Fat Man -- anyone can do that. Do it in a funny way.
/sp/artan who wrote the fanfics

Nick, I just read your contribution to ED. You truly are a little punk. You're just a little coward hiding behind a computer. Careful you don't cross the wrong guy in real life. Get lost.
Earl

Nick, you weren't banned because of your opinions entirely, you were banned because you would post so much with such little content. You just posted random shit that had nothing to do with anything and made no points, and that was annoying to read. It was a waste of my time, and I was/am low on time. And your latest comment on Fat Man, that is just sickening, and is a perfect example of why you were banned. You are an immoral asshole and I hope you get what's coming for you. Sorry everyone else for feeding the troll, hopefully if he responds again I won't respond back.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Regarding the reason you were banned, you had nothing serious to say. You were just showing your contempt for us by playing your little childish games by submitting little posts that were frivolous. You have no respect for us; so, why should we have any respect for you? If you "want justice," why don't you hound the nine teenagers who have been indicted for driving Phoebe Snow to commit suicide? Of course, you'd rather target Fat Man. You and your little friends have no understanding of the concept of justice. I hope you have a good life.
Earl

*yawn* "Go away, boy. You bother me."
Earl

Ehhhh, since I'm banned I'll say it. I'm not gonna lie back and take it like Fat Man.

Come on, somebody had to say it. =D
Nick

Oh, and that topic was in the off topic forum. =P
Nick

Well, one last post: You're basically saying that because I'm unwanted (due to a dissenting opinion) I should leave a board that many members say is for debate. That's pretty silly, reminds me of fifth grade.
Nick

Sorry, Nick. Perhaps some longer, more informative posts would have been in order if you'd have wanted to stay on the forums. You didn't even tell us what your definite standing was on this sports issue; your posts just seemed to talk about weed, trolling, 4chan etc. I wouldn't say you were a flamer but that rank of SPAMMER was most definitely justified. I mean, that topic saying "Next time, when high, I will share the moment with this board". That was pretty useless. I won't deny that some of the treatment you got was a little heavy-handed but perhaps it was not the best time to start going on and on about the wonders of 4chan when our board was recently raided and harassed by it and some rather sick jokes made at the expense of some of our members. You defended 4chan and did provoke some of the members on our board. You didn't have a lot to say but you sure put down a hell of a lot of posts anyway. It was kinda wasting space and time on the board. Yes, I can accept the fact some of the members didn't give you the nicest welcome but perhaps in that case the best thing to do is just leave if they don't want to talk to you. I give up quickly when I realise people just don't want anything to do with me. It saves trouble and time instead of constantly bugging them and getting in the way of their lives and I can concentrate on my own life instead of worrying what their reaction will be to the next thing I say. Sometimes it's best to quit early as there are people out there who don't like persistence in other people. It's a defeatist attitude, I know, but it really wouldn't have been a bad idea here.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England

Nick, I had to ban you because I had no choice; and I think you know that. One of our longtime members was threatening to leave because of your childish antics. He was tired of Romper Room. As far as banning SPORTS ROCK is concerned, he left on his own accord. At least he was sincerely in what he believed, unlike you. You never wanted to have a serious discussion of any kind. You showed no disposition to listen to what others have to say, which is a mark of maturity. All you ever wanted to do at this website is just play your little games. You are in no position to lecture anyone, not even Fat Man. You show a moral deficit, which I hope will be corrected in time when you learn that life is a serious business and not just a game; and you are not someone whom I would consider to be a good Catholic. Grow up.
Earl

Also, you can reach me on Xbox Live as darksword95, if you wish to QQ moar.
Nick

Well, I figured I'd leave a parting message to each of my pals.

Earl- Other than your irrational hatred of 4chan, you weren't too biad. Same goes for i_like_1981.

Blackdog444- You're just plain nuts. You were the first to be hatin' on me, for no apparent reason. Perhaps if you had given me a chance, heard me out, certain events would not have come to pass. That being said, smoke weed erryday. (Even though I made clear multiple times I was joking with you.) Also, on your big kids comment... are you calling yourself fat? Don't put yourself down, girl... that's my job. ;)

Sparkle- Errr... keep on sparkling, I guess. Just not in states where fireworks are illegal.

Fat Man- I like to think you're a God-tier master troll, but sometimes I worry that you're serious... if so, well, there are stranger things in life, I suppose. Our chats were fun and refreshing. I think you need to update your main page to this website. Read the topic where I deconstruct the opening paragraph for ideas on how to make things better. Also, if you were truly worried about 4chan, stop making yourself major trollbait. When you spend all your time insulting and joking about things important someone, and then they insult and joke about you; don't have the nerve to play the victim. It's pathetic and childish.

Sergey- Even though I never spoke with you, if you were truly a troll, you would be ripping this site a new one right now. There is no haven for a troll other than 4chan. Trolls troll everyone, not just certain targets. Shame on you.

This will be my last post for a while. It's been fun, guys. Also, I'd like to ask why I was banned when I didn't get the required (and ironic) three strikes. I was polite, used good grammar, hell, if I didn't specify you wouldn't have guessed my age... but you keep Sports ROCK. That seems pretty unfair. Well, /endrant
Nick

Stick a drumstick in his mouth.
Earl

First off: I think we should restrict all sports to a subcrition channel for example (like the porn channels) and leave the news, local television and basic cable alone. I don't have contempt for sports. Sports are beneath contempt!
Contact the FCC, and start petitions! Let's raise the standard for television everywhere!

On a personal note, how should I take care of my abnoxious brother in law, he gets really loud when we say grace on thanksgiving and it is disrespectful.

Any help in this matter is appreciated.

Thank you,

Kira
KIRA <patrick.stonebronx@gmail.com>
Bronx, NY USA

"As for the list HFoBR was talking about, I think the real insult is that Don Cherry was ahead of Gretzky, or that anyone was ahead of Gretzky for that matter". Come on, you really believe that Gretzky is more important than the telephone or insulin or our first prime minister or the person who made our universal health care system? Or that he's better than Terry Fox, who ran across half of the country with a prosthetic leg and cancer and would have ran across the whole country if he didn't die? That's just low. I really hope you weren't serious. I mean you think that a hockey player is better than a Nobel Prize winner who saved lives on an extremely large scale, which is just pathetic if you are serious. All Gretzky has done is hit a puck into a net a bunch of times.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Does it Matter, you re welcome. I think that s what many people do who post in website forums. They post frequently in a short period of time, then don t post as often and eventually leave the website. Nah, I m not trying to trick you in any way. :) You can visit this website as often as you like (if you can stand it). Of course, I realize that you might find comments by one or more of the members offensive -- comments with which I m likely to disagree also, even though I support this website. Those of us who support this forum have our differences.

I m a middle-aged guy with two grown children who started posting at websites recently (in January of last year). I ve noticed that many forum exchanges are rather reactionary and that there s the temptation to loose one s temper with whomever you disagree. (I ought to know. I ve done it several times at another website and at least once at this one, and I ve apologized each time either publicly or by PM.) Name-calling seems to be a frequent result, which can be entertaining only when wit is employed by the combatants. I just don t go for that anymore. I m willing to hear from someone who has had experiences different from my own. In fact, I m rather interested in a different point of view so I can learn something.

Another problem with board messaging is that the potential exists for misunderstanding. I ve learned this fact the hard way. Some people give the impression that they re mean and hateful with their overheated rhetoric (which is not to say that some people who use overheated rhetoric aren t mean and hateful). I ve gotten to know several members of this forum personally. They re nice guys, but some of their comments create a false impression. Now all I want to do in any website forum is to communicate and not be misunderstood, and possibly understand someone else s point of view.

Anyway, I ve blathered enough. I will respect whatever choice you make. This website is not for everyone (although I would welcome anyone, as far as I m concerned). Granted, I wouldn t recommend it to my personal trainer at my health club because he would get annoyed with it. I don t agree with every single statement at this website either.

Earl

Thanks for the offer Earl, but I'm not really a forum guy it seems. Whenever I join one, I have a brief period of extreme activity then I just stop posting or even going to the site altogether.

Or could that be your plan? :p

As for the list HFoBR was talking about, I think the real insult is that Don Cherry was ahead of Gretzky, or that anyone was ahead of Gretzky for that matter
Does it Matter? <whywouldyoupostthis@youcrazypeople.com>

Hi, Quiet One. There's no need to apologize. I'm fairly busy, too. Just post when you can. I hope that the new approach I have in mind will work. At least it's worth a try.
Earl

Earl,

This is the one marked as 'what freedom of speech?' before. Been busy, so I apologize for not getting back in regards to registering, maybe holding a fair dialogue within the forums.

I've browsed the forums and noticed the attacks that have been made on the site. I can understand why people would rail against the site, and why people on the site would rail against sports as well. In spite of that, I'm still interested in joining up, and I will see about registering. As is probably obvious from the delay in responding before, I likely won't be on every day, but I'll do my best to try and hold up a fair discussion.
The Quiet One

JJ, in Canada, it's the same. Hockey players are called heroes, and we basically let them represent the country. It's sad that here, hockey is basically considered the most iconic and significant thing about our country. Hockey is considered more significant than anything related to Canadian politics. They don't care that we are a multicultural society, they don't care that we have a health care system that is unique from most countries, but they'll think that we are better than the Russians because we beat them in hockey in the Olympics. In fact, check out this link: http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/standings/
In that link, there is a list of people considered the greatest ten Canadians of all time. Don Cherry, an ex-hockey player/coach and now a host of a hockey television show, was considered the seventh best Canadian of all time. He was ranked greater than Sir John A. Macdonald (our first prime minister)and Alexander Graham Bell (the inventor of the telephone). Apparently a hockey television show is more important than the telephone or the first prime minister. And a hockey player named Wayne Gretzky was ranked as the tenth best. That is an insult, making two people whose only significant accomplishments were involved with hockey considered some of the greatest ten Canadians of all time.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

JJ, the same is true in the United States.
Earl

I live in Australia and what I hate is the esteem that people who play sport well are held. If your good at sport great and good on you but here we call you a 'hero'. I think its offensive. Our diggers are heros; firemen are heros; leaders who make sacrifices to help those in need are heros. Kicking a ball well does not make you a hero and people who use that word to put them in the same category as those men and women who really are changing the meaning of the word.

What gets up my nose so much are the sportspeople referred to as heros also break the law and treat women like objects. People should be seen the way that they are and not be given special treatment cause they play sport well.

I also hate channel ten for screwing around regular programming for sport - isnt that what the sister channel One is for?

I wish we valued art and science a little more. Not necessarily to manic proportions which we value sport.
JJ
Australia

Fucking hate Sports.
I live in Australia and if you hate sports here, its like you have a mental disorder.
AWarGuy

"Does it Matter?", so you're surprised that I criticized you because you claimed that you were going to harass people through email just because they have a different point of view? And I find it funny that there are so many pro-sports websites that would hardly receive any criticism at all, however there is likely only a few or no websites similar to this, and the website receives more criticism than could be imagined.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Just a little hyperbole in my last post.
Jim

I'm sick of turning on the computer every morning and having the latest "unbelievable sports play" shoved down my throat. The only time I read and enjoy a sport related story is when a football player gets paralyzed from the neck down. Now THAT'S entertainment!
Jim

Thanks for the compliment (in your second paragraph).

I see an opportunity for dialogue here, instead of the usual tit for tat of exchanged insults. You express an interest in the question of why some people do not like sports. You apparently are open-minded enough to consider views that are expressed at this website; otherwise, you wouldn't be reading this now. I commend you for that. If you registered to post in the forum, I'd be willing to give you an interview that would allow you to present your side and would also allow you to understand our own. Since I am a moderator (no big deal, I know), I would be able to control the course of the interview by deleting any posts that attacked you personally. I do know that an exchange of insults can be amusing if there is some wit involved, but I think this interview approach might be interesting. I've never done it before. I just thought of it. I'm interested in your point of view. If my efforts resulted in understanding on both sides, that would be great.
Earl

yes, I hate free speech and put my opinion so far ahead of others that I got to a site populated by people who I generally disagree with and make an effort to read every new post they make (at least the ones related to sports, not the off-topic/forum game posts) to see what is about sports that people don't like.

Thankfully we have true defenders of freedom like you who are only here because the people DO agree with you, thus allowing you to close yourself from any outside views. And even when any differing opinion is voiced it is almost immediately shouted down by either you or Fat Man, the person who made said view is labeled a "monkey boy jock" or "spammer troll", they are made to feel inferior because of their beliefs (if only there was a word to describe that...) and almost any chance of a real discussion is put on hold until Earl or 1981 shows up.

Also, do you REALLY believe I would spend my entire day(s) going through hundreds of posts to enter them into 32 individual email fields for my own amusement? I mean, as much as I'd love to, I've got football practice in the evening. ;p

Seriously, some of the people on this site are wound up so tight if you shoved a piece of coal up their ass you'd have a diamond within 24 hours.
Does it Matter? <whywouldyoupostthis@youcrazypeople.com>

Excellent site! SPORTS SUCK!!!!
gjc866

"Does it Matter?", typical, low life, anti free speech, sports loving jock. You don't like what some people say, so you try to make them angry. In this case by harassing them through their email. I don't know if you're just some stupid jock who only respects his own point of view, or if you're some low life 4chan asshole who tries to control the Internet and eliminate free speech. Either way, you need to grow up, and stop living your life off of the reactions of others.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I'd just like to say that everyone who posted their emails in this guestbook can be expecting a newsletter from every NFL team in the near future
Does it Matter? <whywouldyoupostthis@youcrazypeople.com>

1 sports friend turned ape like on me, and i only have my 2 dance friends! SOPRTS SUCK SO BAD!
Rylie <Saphirebrausam@rocketmail.com>
Roseburg, OR U.S.A

I would enjoy having a conversation with you, however as Earl mentioned, it's a bad idea to post one's information publicly, especially on a targeted site like this. You should consider joining the forum. I would enjoy having a civilized conversation. I'm sure most members would be receptive of you if you are kind. You must remember that the ideas of each member are not identical. I have been friends with several athletes, however they are smart athletes who know that academics have a much higher priority than their sports. I dislike sports not because I'm not interested in them, but because I've noticed that the majority of athletes (and this is from personal observation) are not as bright as other non athletic students, and they enjoy tormenting people who are unlike them. Some members would kill every athlete on the planet if they could, however that is not all members, and I would never promote killing athletes. And some members don't hate sports, but just don't like certain aspects of the sports culture, like Earl. Not every member thinks the same way. I hope to see you on the forums.

HugeFanOfBadReligion
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Hi, this is Earl. Ray (the cite Admin) has just called my attention via e-mail to your message here in the Guestbook.

Thanks for the kind compliment. I prefer to think of myself as a sports critic, not a sports hater. I do not believe in hating people, and I prefer dialogue to diatribe.

Assuming that you re not a troll, I d be delighted if you joined the forum. Admittedly, since we recently experienced a raid by trolls, our patience is a bit short with anyone who would just be a nuisance; but we have no problem with serious posters.

I would disagree with you, though, about our record of tolerating dissent. We have not been quick to ban sincere critics of this website, not even the hateful ones. There are other websites, including sports websites, that are quick to ban new forum members if they don't like what they say. In comparison, we re actually tolerant of dissenting forum members. Of course, I m not taking into account any rude reactions by individual members. You ll find rude posters at just about any website. I m simply referring to banning.

Furthermore, we do not practice groupthink here. Yes, we re a small group; but we re quite diverse. We have a wide age range, from teenagers to middle-aged adults. As a 59-year-old, I m the oldest forum member (although I had nothing to do with the creation of this website and didn t discover it until late December of 2008). Several of our members are women. Several of the active members are British, one is Australian, one is Canadian, and the rest Americans. Politcally some of us are liberal, some are conservative, and at least one of us is apolitical. Religiously some of us are atheists or agnostics, one is converting to Judaism, and at least one of us is a Christian. At least two of us work out at a health club or a gym. We don t always agree with each other. Earlier this year we had a major split over the negative way a new member who plays football at Montana State was received by some of the other members, which caused him to leave us. I even apologized for the way he was treated at the football fan website where he regularly posts as a member.

I would point out that we are not a pressure group or a social movement. We only represent a minority view. We re just a small community of people who sometimes even joke with each other. If I may use a political analogy, think of yourself as a Democrat, say, living in a predominantly Democratic Congressional district who is aware that there is a young Republican couple who live down the street and invite Republican friends over to talk about politics. You wouldn t necessarily be motivated to bang on their door and tell them what terrible people they are. That s all that we are. You could think of this website as our home.

I d also like to point out to you that most of the sports fans who have actually left messages at this website (by submitting posts as forum members, leaving messages in the Guestbook, or sending e-mails to the Letters columns) have been rather hateful. Yes, I realize that hotheads are more likely to bother to leave messages at a website than those who just shrug it off. The point is that there is hatred on both sides, and attempts have been made to shut this website down.

You must understand that some of us have had some rather painful experiences that were in some way connected with sports; and I do understand that sensitive guys like the Montana State football player object to being subjected to a negative stereotype (and rightly so), as most of the members of this website s forum have been subjected to a negative stereotype themselves of a different sort. But, aside from that, I don t understand the heated reaction of some sports fans, as if they feel threatened by this website. Considering that we represent a minority point of view, who would even care? Since we are such a small minority and have no power, why do these people care what we think? There s intolerance on both sides.

I hope this long-winded response hasn t bored you. I d be glad if you joined the forum. Just remember that sports may not always receive a fair treatment (by virtue of the very nature of this website), just as liberals should not expect a fair treatment of liberalism at a conservative website, and vice versa. Please send another e-mail to the secretary to inform Ray that you would like to join the forum. But leaving your name and e-mail address in the Guestbook would not be a good idea. As two of our members have recently learned the hard way, posting one s e-mail address publicly on a webpage is not wise.
Earl

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