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September 11th Remembering The Two 911's - Yeah! Two of 'em!

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Sorry to have to BUMP and old topic back up to the top, but it's relevant since this will be the 10th Anniversary of the 911 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon back in September 11, 2001 by extremist Muslim terrorists.


We all remember September 11, 2001 when Islamic Muslim terrorist flew the planes into the twin towers at the World Trade Center.

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World Trade Center - September 11,2001

But what most people don't know is . . . . . that in the the United States, we had actually experienced two 911's which of course, the most recent one being the one that happened on September 11,2001. But this was actually the second 911.

The first 911 happened 154 years ago back in 1857. The first 911 was known as The Mountain Meadows Massacre on September 11,1857 in which 120 men, women, and children were viciously slaughtered by those of the Mormon religion.

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Mountain Meadows Massacre - September 11,1857

Both 911s had some of the same elements in common. Both were motivated by religious fanaticism. The 911 on 2001 was motivated by Islamic extremists and the 911 back in 1857 was motivated by Mormon extremists.

Naturally, I am not implying that there is any connection between the two 911s especially since they occurred 154 years apart from one another, but only that the two 911s had similar elements in common. I mean, like, really!!! I'm not into conspiracy theories, and to say there's a connection, well, that is just a bit too much woo woo for me!

The new 911 in 2001 involved Muslim terrorists flying some jet planes into a couple of 110 story high-rise towers in which over 2000 people were killed, and another plane flying into the Pentagon killing more people.

The old 911 in 1857 involved Mormon terrorist riflemen attacking a wagon train of families heading out west to California in which 120 men, women, and children were shot to death.

I only say that the two 911s have some rather interesting elements in common, although totally unrelated, but still interesting nonetheless.

Both Muslims and Mormons are spelled with the letter M.

Also . . .

2001 = 2+0+0+1 = 3
1857 = 1+8+5+7 = 21 = 2+1 = 3

OK! Numerology bull-crap aside, lets get back to the facts! I just couldn't resist that one! Sorry 'bout that!!!

Also, I might add . . . . . the year, 2009 has been rather unique and interesting year, a year to remember and celebrate some very positive events and accomplishments. In February of 2009, we celebrated Charles Darwin's 200th birthday, and again August 2009 we celebrated the 400th anniversary of Galileo's Telescope (at least I did) both very positive things to remember and celebrate in the name of science to counteract all the negative memories of things that has often happened throughout history in the name of religion. So, there is still yet hope for the human race despite all the really heavy shit that has come down.

[RE_EDITED] (September 11, 2011)

But now, this being the year 2011, this years is the 400th anniversary of the publishing of the King James Bible in the year 1611 after the printing press was invented.

Anyway . . . . .

Here is an article from a web site at:

http://www.examiner.com/x-8829-Salt-Lak ... xaminer%23
The Mountain Meadows Massacre
September 8, 6:34 AM
Salt Lake City Freethinking Examiner
Jonathan Montgomery

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September 11th marks the gruesome day when 152 years ago, some 120 men, women, and children were slaughtered in cold blood by a group of Mormons. The Mountain Meadows Massacre would be the "worst incident of organized mass murder of unarmed civilians" until the Oklahoma City Bombing in 1995.

To understand how this happened, we must understand the relationship between the early Mormons and the rest of the nation.

Early Conflicts

Shortly after being organized as a church, Joseph and his two hundred or so followers settled in Kirtland, Ohio. The church grew, but by 1837 many had begun to lose faith. The "Law of Consecration" was introduced and retracted. A bank founded by Smith and Rigdon failed. Disaffected members accused Smith of being "an insidious fraud." A mob attacked Joseph and Rigdon, tarring and feathering the former. Historian Fawn Brodie makes a controversial conclusion that Eli Johnson, one of those in the mob, may have been upset with Joseph for "being too intimate with his sister."

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Smith had begun sending Saints to Jackson County, Missouri, a location he had proclaimed was once the Garden of Eden. He would later abandon Kirtland and go to Jackson County himself. The local Missourians were displeased with this new and insular religious sect moving in. Mormons tended to vote in blocs and they were buying up a lot of land. Tensions grew, and eventually violence against the Mormons broke out. When the Mormons were forcibly evicted from Jackson County, Joseph Smith gave a revelation of a parable in which land promised by the Lord could be reclaimed, by force if needed. This revelation increased the Missouriansâ?? unease.

At about this time, prominent church leaders like Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer were excommunicated over various disputes with Joseph, including Joseph's "dirty, nasty, filthy affair" with his 16-year-old maid Fanny Alger, one of his first (unannounced) polygamous wives. About 80 Mormons signed a Danite Manifesto warning the dissenters to depart lest a "fatal calamity" befall them. Facing growing apprehension from the Missourians and dissent from within, Sidney Rigdon delivered a speech where he warned:

"And that mob that comes on us to disturb us, it shall be between us and them a war of extermination; for we will follow them until the last drop of their blood is spilled; or else they will have to exterminate us, for we will carry the seat of war to their own houses and their own families, and one party or the other shall be utterly destroyed..."

The following month, a fight broke out when Mormons were illegally prevented from voting in an election. Later, Missourians began burning Mormon homes and plundering their possessions. General Alexander Doniphan arrived with a militia in an attempt to keep the peace, but the Mormons had set up their own militia and moved into Daviess County to fight back. They attacked the settlements of Gallatin, Millport and Grindstone Fork and burned them all to the ground. They continued to roam through the county, burning and plundering as they went.

A militia guarding Richmond and Liberty from the Mormons went against orders when it moved into the Mormon-run Caldwell County to intercept and disarm an approaching party. Fellow Mormons believed their comrades had been captured by a mob of Missourians, and they resolved to chase the mob out of the county. They didnâ??t realize it was a state militia they opened fire on. The Mormons won the battle, but inadvertently became enemies of the state. Exaggerated reports of the battle quickly spread. General Doniphan called for backup. A letter sent to the army explained:

"The citizens of Daviess, Coroll, and some other normal counties have raised mob after mob for the last two months for the purpose of driving a group of fanatics, (called mormons) from those counties and from the State. These things have at length goaded the mormons into a state of desparation that has now made them the aggressors instead of acting on the defensive."

Missouri Governor Lilburn Boggs wanted the Mormons out. He issued an extermination order stating:

"...the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace..."

Shortly afterwards, 250 bitter non-Mormons, many of whom had been forced to flee Daviess County during the Danite rampage, descended upon Haun's Mill in a surprise attack and killed 18 Mormons, including 10-year-old Sardius Smith.

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Mormon settlements were now surrounded by state militia, and the Mormons were forced to leave the state. They gathered again at the Mormon settlement of Nauvoo, Illinois. By 1840, Nauvoo was a well established city. Joseph Smith became the Lieutenant General of the Nauvoo Legion, a militia of 2,000 riflemen. In 1844, Smith ran for President of the United States on a platform of theodemocracy. He also established the Council of Fifty, men appointed to take over political positions should the worldâ??s secular governments collapse during Christ's return.

As in Missouri, the residents of Hancock County were becoming increasingly apprehensive about the growing Mormon presence. Not only were Mormons bloc-voting, but Joseph Smith himself was gaining an alarming level of power and apparently wanted more with his bid for the United States presidency. He was president of his church, mayor of his city, head of the municipal court, and had his own private militia. Some in Illinois saw the Mormon church as subversive to the law; Smith was successfully avoiding arrest attempts from Missouri. Word of Mormon polygamy was spreading, garnering a sense that Mormonism was an immoral religion that threatened traditional family values.

William Law was excommunicated when he voiced disagreement with Smith over polygamy and the church's dealings with the law. He subsequently established the Nauvoo Expositor, a newspaper meant to expose the church as a "public nuisance" and to publicize Smith's polygamy. Smith then ordered his militia to destroy the press and every copy of the Expositor. Smith and Hyrum were arrested for the crime and brought to Carthage jail, where they were murdered by a mob.

Mormons continued to be harassed throughout the county and eventually the state Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to disincorporate Nauvoo and dissolve its government. By 1846, the Mormons were abandoning Nauvoo and preparing to trek west.

A New Beginning

The Mormons finally had some peace in the Utah territory, although they remained suspicious of government intrusion. After being chased out of Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois, enduring mob attacks, the massacre at Haun's Mill, and the murder of their prophet, Mormons were filled with a strong sense of persecution. (Persecution remains a part of the Mormon consciousness even today, although it is generally attributed to a sense that "the devil will fight against the Lordâ??s church.") In reality, however, the early Mormons participated in a back-and-forth struggle with wrongs committed by both sides.

This was a time when the temple ceremony contained the Oath of Vengeance, added after Joseph and Hyrum Smith were killed:

"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."

Brigham Young was President of the church and governor of the Utah territory. He encouraged self-sufficiency so that the territory could remain independent from the States. The federal government feared that Brigham Young was building his own independent theocracy, and Utah was increasingly viewed as a rogue territory that considered itself exempt from federal law. Brigham Young spoke of the United States as if it were a separate nation that was full of enemies. This attitude in Utah is reflected in an 1854 discourse by Jedediah Grant delivered at the Salt Lake City Tabernacle:

"...I look for the Lord to use His whip on the refractory son called "Uncle Sam;" I expect to see him chastised among the first of the nations. I think Uncle Sam is one of the Lord's boys that He will take the rod to first... for his transgressions, for his high-mindedness and loftiness, for his evil, for rejecting the Gospel, and causing the earth to drink the blood of the Saints..."

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Brigham Young emphasized that peaceful travelers should be permitted to pass through Utah unmolested, but anyone who dared to cause trouble would have the Danites upon them. For his part, President Buchanan viewed Young as a danger, declaring:

"...all the officers of the United States, judicial and executive, with the single exception of two Indian agents, have found it necessary for their own personal safety to withdraw from the territory, and there no longer remains any government in Utah but the despotism of Brigham Young... Governor Young has, by proclamation, declared his determination to maintain his power by force, and has already committed acts of hostility against the United States."

President Buchanan sought the support of Congress in â??suppressing the insurrection and in restoring and maintaining the sovereignty of the Constitution and laws over the Territory of Utah.â? He sent a militia with the intention of installing someone else as governor. When word of the approaching army reached Young, he began to prepare his Saints for war, having them stock up on supplies while a militia was sent to harass and slow the approaching federal army.

The Wrong Place, The Wrong Time

A group of families, known as the Fancher (or Fancher-Baker) party, had set out from Arkansas towards California. When they reached Utah, they had difficulty trading for much-needed supplies. The Utahans were not only suspicious of outsiders, but they were saving their supplies for what they feared would be an imminent battle with the United States.

Making things worse, a few months earlier the Mormon apostle Parley P. Pratt had been murdered in Arkansas by Hector McLean. Pratt had converted McLean's wife and children to Mormonism and then married her as his twelfth polygamous wife. An angry McLean found Pratt and killed him, giving the Mormons another martyr.

Rumors spread that members of the Fancher party had previously harassed Mormons, were involved with Pratt's murder, and that one of them owned the gun used to kill Joseph Smith.

The Fancher party left Cedar City to continue towards California and stopped in Mountain Meadows for a few days to let their cattle feed. Stake President Isaac Haight wanted to send a militia after the emigrants. Other leaders rejected the idea, but another plan was hatched: get the Paiute Indians to attack them instead. John D. Lee was sent to organize the attack, but the Stake High Council decided to get Brigham Young's advice before proceeding. They sent a messenger to Salt Lake City.

Meanwhile, Lee went ahead with the attack. He had the Native Americans attack the emigrant party, killing seven before the Fancher party could circle their wagons and dig in for what would become a five day siege. Desperate for fresh water, they sent two riders to a nearby spring. One was shot and killed, but the killers were some of Lee's men, not Native Americans. The survivor returned to his party, and Haight feared their ruse was exposed. If word was allowed to spread that Mormons were behind the attack, it could be all the reason the government would need to attack, take their land, and scatter the Saints once again. Haight decided that the Fancher party should not escape alive.

Major John Higbee was ordered to march a militia to the emigrant camp. Lee and William Bateman approached the wagons with white flags and informed the party that they had arrived to save them from the Native Americans. They said they had negotiated a truce: the Paiutes would allow the party to leave in peace, but only if they left their livestock and supplies behind. The militia would escort the party back to Cedar City.

The Fancher party had little choice. They agreed to the terms and were split into three groups - the youngest children and a few of the mothers in wagons, the older children and mothers walking behind, and the men in the rear. An armed militiaman walked beside each adult male. After about a mile of marching, Higbee shouted the order, "Do your duty!" Each militiaman turned to the man he was escorting and fired. Paiute Indians and other Mormon militiamen hiding nearby descended upon the women and children. Within five minutes, all were dead except 17 children deemed too young to be able to tell what happened. The militiamen swore an oath to keep the slaughter a secret.

Brigham Young initially reported that the Native Americans were at fault. The federal government investigated the incident in 1859 and concluded that the Mormons were involved. Haight, Higbee, and Lee fled before they could be arrested. Eleven years later, Young excommunicated Haight and Lee. Lee was finally arrested in 1874 and executed three years later. He would be the only person held accountable for the 120 deaths in the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
So, now you all know the story of The Other 911, which was actually the first 911, and the one back in 2001 was the second 911, both were the result of religious fanatics and terrorists committing horrible crimes in the name of their religions.

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Attack on World Trade Center - September 11,2001

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Attack on wagon train - September 11,1857

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The more things change, the more they stay the same!

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BUMP!

Yeah, I decided to bump one of my old topics back up to the top, since September 11 is soon going to be upon us again.
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I have to take the ACT on this day... ugh :\
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Well, it looks as though today is the 9th anniversary of 9/11. Probably the darkest and most tragic day of the millennium so far. And I am not keen on the idea of the construction of a mosque around that area. 3,000 people died around there because of the actions of Muslim extremists. It would not be a fitting location for a Muslim worship place, to put it lightly. And I also heard somewhere in the news that they might even open it on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 (this was actually mentioned at one point in an article)... I really don't know what I can say to that. By no means should no mosque at all be built, but they need to relocate it. Building a mosque near Ground Zero would do so much more harm than good. That site would be better used for a memorial for all the people who died on that awful day.

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i_like_1981 wrote:Well, it looks as though today is the 9th anniversary of 9/11. Probably the darkest and most tragic day of the millennium so far. And I am not keen on the idea of the construction of a mosque around that area. 3,000 people died around there because of the actions of Muslim extremists. It would not be a fitting location for a Muslim worship place, to put it lightly. And I also heard somewhere in the news that they might even open it on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 (this was actually mentioned at one point in an article)... I really don't know what I can say to that. By no means should no mosque at all be built, but they need to relocate it. Building a mosque near Ground Zero would do so much more harm than good. That site would be better used for a memorial for all the people who died on that awful day.

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Yeah! I concur.

No religious structure should ever be built on Ground Zero.

I don't care if it's an Islamic Mosque, a Christian Church, or even a Jewish Synagogue.

Absolutely NO religious structure should be built there.

A lot of people of many different religions died in the collapse of the World Trade Center, Christians, Jews, AND Muslims, and also, some Mormons, Buddhists, Hindus, Hare Krishna, Scientologists (Who gives a fuck about them? OK, just kidding!) and atheists.

So, to build any religious structure at Ground Zero flies in the face of all other religions and people of other faiths who also died there.
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Just so you know, the people trying to get the center (it's a community center with a mosque IN it, not just a mosque) have been trying to do so for about 10 years. Before the 9/11 attacks. And it's not on Ground Zero, it's 2 blocks away.
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Just to make things fair, just build a Shinto shrine. (Joking)


They should go ahead and build it. If Americans cannot stand it (a lot can, a lot cannot- but I digress), it just shows how FORGIVING and ENLIGHTENED they are.
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The Imperialist wrote:They should go ahead and build it. If Americans cannot stand it (a lot can, a lot cannot- but I digress), it just shows how FORGIVING and ENLIGHTENED they are.
The tragic death of 3,000 people is something hard to forgive. Why did they have to pick that location for a mosque? It is quite clearly probably the most inappropriate location for one. They may build it if they want but not around that site. Surely there is a more appropriate location for it?
Jerry McGuire wrote:Just so you know, the people trying to get the center (it's a community center with a mosque IN it, not just a mosque) have been trying to do so for about 10 years. Before the 9/11 attacks. And it's not on Ground Zero, it's 2 blocks away.
I definitely think they should have reconsidered those plans following 9/11. And there is of course, still a mosque in there. I don't know how far a "block" is in metres seeing as how I'm not American but that sounds a bit close for comfort. I'd say at least a kilometre away. I say build it further away not only to respect the people who died, but also to ensure that the centre will not be vandalised by outraged citizens who lost friends and relatives in the 9/11 attacks when they discover that a mosque is operating around that area. There are plenty of more ideal locations they could have picked. Why that area?

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I will now sound very NATIONALISTIC and VERY VERY BITTER.
(This is not me personally- I still resent it, but I digress, again)

Most of Japan has FORGOTTEN and FORGIVEN the Unites States for the Atomic bombings. That eradicated two whole cities, and some were retarded enough to decorate CURTIS F*CKING LEMAY who despite doing carpet bombings of Tokyo. (which goes against the Geneva Convention that they actually signed- american double standard- even Robert McNamara admitted that if the US have lost, Japan would have enough material to put the US on trial)
I do not wish to argue about this because it will go on and on.

Japan as a nation has forgiven, even embraced America. Please. Do spare me the suffering of having to remind myself of such things. Some may say it was war, so such things cannot be avoided. Well, America could have warned Japan, instead of using "unrestriced means" to wage war. (Geneva convention, I am partially quoting from)

And sometimes, i think the twin towers is KARMA (two for two- I will not say how I felt when it happend)... and I believe that the Republicans are the scourge put upon America...

No hard feelings on anybody personally, by the way. (But I do wonder- the Japanese could copy the spitefulness of many Americans if it is to become a stronger nation... makes me sadder even more)
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I believe they have the right to build a mosque there. The Muslims who are building the mosque certainly were not responsible for 9/11, and I'm sure they do not support the extremists who were responsible for the attacks. I am friends with several Muslims and I know for a fact that none of them want to kill anyone, if anything, they are at least twice as peaceful as most people I know. As Jerry said, they have been planning on building it since before the attacks, and I'm sure it's not easy to just change all plans just to relocate the project because some people are offended. I respect the families and friends of victims of 9/11, however I believe everyone must recognize the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists and are not associated with terrorists. The Muslims who I am friends with are completely against any terrorist attacks in the name of Islam, and believe that those fundamentalists have given them a bad reputation. I'm sure the people who are involved with this mosque are completely against terrorist attacks too.
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BUMP!!!

Sorry to have to BUMP and old topic back up to the top, but it's relevant since this will be the 10th Anniversary of the 911 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon back in September 11, 2001 by extremist Muslim terrorists.
HugeFanOfBadReligion wrote:I believe they have the right to build a mosque there. The Muslims who are building the mosque certainly were not responsible for 9/11, and I'm sure they do not support the extremists who were responsible for the attacks. I am friends with several Muslims and I know for a fact that none of them want to kill anyone, if anything, they are at least twice as peaceful as most people I know. As Jerry said, they have been planning on building it since before the attacks, and I'm sure it's not easy to just change all plans just to relocate the project because some people are offended. I respect the families and friends of victims of 9/11, however I believe everyone must recognize the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists and are not associated with terrorists. The Muslims who I am friends with are completely against any terrorist attacks in the name of Islam, and believe that those fundamentalists have given them a bad reputation. I'm sure the people who are involved with this mosque are completely against terrorist attacks too.
Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree.

I don't think any religious structure should be built there, not an Islamic Mosque, nor a Christian Church, nor even a Jewish Synagogue.

But then again . . . if it's true that there were plans to build a Mosque there before the 911 attacks, then technically I guess it can't be stopped in that case. The same would be true of any other religious structure.
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I think everything that Muslim Americans (and even Muslim Canadians) have faced since 9/11 is completely unfair. Mosques were vandalized and firebombed after 9/11, Muslims were assaulted (a Sikh man was even killed after being mistaken for a Muslim), and hate crimes against Muslims were rampant. Muslims were then constantly racially profiled, for example by airport security, and the media portrayed stereotypes of Muslims. All because of a few extremist individuals which should by no means represent a group of over a billion people. Now compare this to the terrorist attacks which happened in Norway this year. A Christian white male goes on a killing spree to protest Muslims immigrating to Europe. Now imagine this situation: People begin to firebomb churches, attack and kill Christians, police racially profile anyone who looks Christian to prevent further terrorist attacks, and the media tells everyone that Christians should be avoided as they are dangerous. Of course this never happened, which is definitely a good thing because it would be ridiculous to associate all Christians with the person responsible for the terrorist attacks in Norway. But the point that I'm making is that it is just as ridiculous to associate all Muslims with the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
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HugeFanOfBadReligion wrote:I think everything that Muslim Americans (and even Muslim Canadians) have faced since 9/11 is completely unfair. Mosques were vandalized and firebombed after 9/11, Muslims were assaulted (a Sikh man was even killed after being mistaken for a Muslim), and hate crimes against Muslims were rampant. Muslims were then constantly racially profiled, for example by airport security, and the media portrayed stereotypes of Muslims. All because of a few extremist individuals which should by no means represent a group of over a billion people. Now compare this to the terrorist attacks which happened in Norway this year. A Christian white male goes on a killing spree to protest Muslims immigrating to Europe. Now imagine this situation: People begin to firebomb churches, attack and kill Christians, police racially profile anyone who looks Christian to prevent further terrorist attacks, and the media tells everyone that Christians should be avoided as they are dangerous. Of course this never happened, which is definitely a good thing because it would be ridiculous to associate all Christians with the person responsible for the terrorist attacks in Norway. But the point that I'm making is that it is just as ridiculous to associate all Muslims with the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Yes, I concur.

I'm merely saying that No religious structure should be built there, because people of all faiths, and people of no faiths, died when the towers came down. There were many Christians, Muslims, and Jews, and also atheists in those towers.

But, as you have said, there were plans to build a Mosque in the area before the 911 attack, then in which case, we legally can't stop it.

Yes, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and law abiding people, and most of them deplore that actions of the 911 terrorists. But many of them are afraid to openly speak out and publicly denounce the actions of the terrorists because the Imams back in the Arab countries might put a fatwa on any Muslim cleric who has publicly outspoken against the extremist factions.

It's not the Muslims themselves that's the problem but rather the Imams overseas.

Yes, I noticed that just because one white male Christian went on a shooting spree killing a bunch of people, that anybody who looks like he might be a Christian does not get profiled at the airports, but anybody who looks like a Muslim gets profiled.

Also, black motorists in some states get pulled over by the cops due to racial profiling. Of course it's been ruled tat racial profiling is unconstitutional, but sometimes it still goes on.

So, it's mostly anybody who doesn't look like a white Anglo Saxon who gets profiled.

This really sucks out loud!!!

Now, if the government or law enforcement were to start profiling whites, then, we would all be up the provable shit-creek with broken paddle and a leaky boat. But we all know, that's never going to happen.

White people do get stereotyped sometimes, but very seldom profiled.

Speaking of stereotyping . . . . .

People have often ask me if I have ever played football. Judging by my photo in my avatar, I guess I do look like somebody who could have played football since I'm a large guy and overweight.

Now, if I were to dress up in an expensive suit and tie, people might think I'm a conservative Republican, and if I were carrying a Bible, I could easily pass for a Christian evangelist, and all the morons will probably want to throw money at me! But I don't think I could live with myself if I were to try that. I like being able to go to bed at night with a clear conscience.

Yes, in these forums, some have said I'm just as guilty of stereotyping Christians because of my references to "Christards" but I make a distinction here.

I say that NOT ALL Christians are Christards and Funny-mentalists.

Copernicus, Galileo, Johannes Kepler, and Isaac Newton were Christians, and I have great admiration and respect for these historical figures.

To me, the Christard Funny-mentalists are the telephony evangelists like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell (now deceased thank goodness) and the right wing Retardican politicians like Texas State Governor Rick Perry, former President Bush, actually both of the Bushes, Papa Bush and Baby Bush.

Yeah, the last time some people listened to a bush, they wondered about in a desert for 40 years!

Oh! And I do believe the Bible story about Sampson killing a thousand Philistines with a jawbone of an ass.

It even happens today, every time some moronic politicians gets up and shoots off his big mouth and says a lot of stupid shit, then potentially, millions can get slaughtered with . . . . .

. . . THE JAWBONE OF AN ASS!!!

Also, another good lesson can be learned from the Biblical story about Sampson.

One should think with the big head, and not with the little head!

So, sometimes the Bible does work.

But then, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

A broken 24 hour clock is only right once a day.
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