Non-ignorant athlete/sports fan here- please read

[Sergey]

I meant to post this earlier, but for some reason I wasnâ??t able to because it automatically signed me out.


Fat Man:

You are obviously angry at me for calling you out the way I did. As a new member, it was out of line for me to talk shit about you without knowing your situation, and I apologize for doing that. You sure have had to deal with a lot of asshole jocks in your life. You have every right to be angry about the past, but you aim your anger at all people who are involved in sports. You donâ??t realize that your former tormentors were assholes who happened to be jocks, not assholes because they were jocks. Suppose that as I was growing up, my house was broken into, my sister was raped, and I was robbed at gunpoint. In all three cases, the criminal happened to be black man. Does this mean I should join a neo-nazi website or a skinhead gang? You showed a picture of NFL logos that said â??rape gang logosâ?. As someone who does not follow sports, you are in no position to accuse all NFL players of being rapists. Sure, there are rapists in the NFL, and in the other major sports leagues, but their cases will always receive the greatest publicity because of their fame, and I would be willing to bet that men who are highly involved in sports as a player or a fan are just as likely to commit rape as men who arenâ??t.


Millhouse: (Fat Man should read this too)

You say that youâ??ve â??never heard ofâ?¦ nerds, theater kids, goths, etc., ... bullying another group of kids.â? But the reason why jocks often become bullies is not because they like sports, but because the activity of their choice is validated and respected to a degree above all others. If more people decided to stop following high school sports and suddenly became more interested in high school plays, with that drawing the most fans and becoming schoolsâ?? biggest moneymaker among extracurriculars, than you would most likely see the star actors become cocky assholes like some of the football players once were. You say that Iâ??m not really capable of wondering where anti-sports people are coming from, but you are wrong. My own mother is one person who could care less about sports, and likely would never have watched a game in the 20 years sheâ??s been married if it wasnâ??t for me, my father, and my sister being interested in sports.


Earl:

Thank you for appreciating my tolerance and open-mindedness. I appreciate that you are able to see the good in those who enjoy sports, like your former personal trainer. Like him, I find the term â??jockâ? to be offensive. Not to put on the same level as the â??n wordâ? or anything like that, but hate being labeled as a jock just because I play sports. To me, that term implies that sports are the end-all, be-all of my existence and denies that I have other dimensions to my personality. Iâ??ve been lucky enough to play for coaches who were always coaching to win, and understood his players were playing to win, but were able to keep it all in perspective. Finally, about the comment I made about Fitz301 and plentyoffish.com, I can see why you didnâ??t understand it. I discovered it while looking for posts of his. Do a google search for Fitz301 and you will see what I mean. It should be the 4th result.

The Trolling One is not surprised at your failed attempts to troll my less paranoid allies, but I can see you laughing your ass off. NOW GET OFF!

[Sergey]

"Sergey", you think that people who sit on their ass playing this 'Starcraft' game deserve more money than pro athletes, well yeah we'll see about that when more people give a fuck about that game than sports.

Thank you for listening

What about those fat ass sports fans who won't leave the couch until those games end? Yeah you sure know what's you're talking about. I'm sorry you are part of that crowd so you aren't aware of it!

[SportsGuy92]

"Sergey", you think that people who sit on their ass playing this 'Starcraft' game deserve more money than pro athletes, well yeah we'll see about that when more people give a fuck about that game than sports.

Thank you for listening

What about those fat ass sports fans who won't leave the couch until those games end? Yeah you sure know what's you're talking about. I'm sorry you are part of that crowd so you aren't aware of it!

You are just as pathetically addicted to starcraft as some people are addicted to football or whatever sport

[Sergey]

"Sergey", you think that people who sit on their ass playing this 'Starcraft' game deserve more money than pro athletes, well yeah we'll see about that when more people give a fuck about that game than sports.

Thank you for listening

What about those fat ass sports fans who won't leave the couch until those games end? Yeah you sure know what's you're talking about. I'm sorry you are part of that crowd so you aren't aware of it!

You are just as pathetically addicted to starcraft as some people are addicted to football or whatever sport

Good thing I haven't played Starcraft for months and have no intention of playing it! Opposed to your stupidity and lack of comprehension when I say leave. Oh and I play World of Warcraft sometimes, does that prove anything to you?

[Millhouse]

Millhouse: (Fat Man should read this too)

You say that youâ??ve â??never heard ofâ?¦ nerds, theater kids, goths, etc., ... bullying another group of kids.â? But the reason why jocks often become bullies is not because they like sports, but because the activity of their choice is validated and respected to a degree above all others. If more people decided to stop following high school sports and suddenly became more interested in high school plays, with that drawing the most fans and becoming schoolsâ?? biggest moneymaker among extracurriculars, than you would most likely see the star actors become cocky assholes like some of the football players once were. You say that Iâ??m not really capable of wondering where anti-sports people are coming from, but you are wrong. My own mother is one person who could care less about sports, and likely would never have watched a game in the 20 years sheâ??s been married if it wasnâ??t for me, my father, and my sister being interested in sports.

Anti-sports people? No, sir. People with the degree of hatred for it that you find on this site.

As for human nature dictating that if one medium were to lose its popularity and be taken over by another, and overzealous individuals making the new popular medium miserable for everyone else, that's kind of beside the point I was making, and I already know all this.

I do not share the opinion some of the others have stated in that I see a use for sports. Much in the same way I see a use for a paperweight or doorstop, it keeps the more animalistic elements of the gene pool in line in that it gives them something to do. An 'outlet', if you will, to both appreciate and engage in observing and participating in various forms of physically aggressive behaviour.

And they can do that all they like. To each their own. Here is my problem with it.

Problem with it is harrassment and discrimination if I myself don't enjoy it, don't have any use for it, and don't wish to participate in it. Because I am human, it is assumed that I must also partake in the 'fun', whether it be some company baseball team, fantasy football league, or some other such nonsense, such as going to a sporting event. Harassment at this level is irritating enough, but many, many sports fans actually get offended at saying a resounding and most of the time polite 'no' to these activities.

Then in many cases, the ostracizing begins.

There is no good, reasonable excuse for this behaviour. There never was, and there never will be. I will state this again, plainly and clearly, because you ignored it in my first post. People who treat it like a religion are the ones I go after. And frankly, I think they deserve it for ramming it down my throat.

As for jocks bullying others, sporting activities in high school starts the heirarchy, and as a former nerd and someone who could get along with but not be a goth kid, I can tell you that your statement about their area of expertise being 'respected' is completely inaccurate. Goth kids and company generally didn't respect jocks. The difference is the jocks did the bullying. It has nothing to do with respect.

Other issue is that I side even with the people that carry the more extreme views on here, because they understand how I feel. And although I do not agree with their viewpoints on banning sports altogether, I respect their opinions and I feel a lot of empathy for them because I (unlike you) actually understand the things that brought them to where they are.

Sure, their views may be extreme to you, but are you bothering to ask why they are? How these people got this way? As a person that at minimum feigns intelligence on these forums (you may be genuinely intelligent), maybe you should take a step back from your defensive attitude, which you had the moment you made your first post, and ask yourself in a positive manner, why these people you are attacking from the get go are the way they are.

I'm not asking you to be a pacifist here. I'm just suggesting you could be a little more fair than you're being.

[Fat Man]

Hello again SportsGuy92

OK, thank you for your RSVP to my post.

But now I see that you're coming down real hard on Sergey.

Yes, he's a troll, but he speaks the truth, because he is The Trolling One, a titled that he requested to be given to him by the board admins.

Usually one has to make 500 posts before given a unique title, but he got his much sooner as did I before I made 500 posts. My unique titled was bestowed upon me, so I'm known as The Judge here in these parts, hence, my pounding gavel at the bottom of my signature.

I hold trial here. This is my court room.

Of course, sports fans who are rude and obnoxious will get their unique title after only the first 2 or 3 posts, that of Sports Bore in pink letters and if they're are rude enough, the avatar they put up for themselves is taken down by the board admins and they are made to wear The Jersey Of Shame instead as their avatar.



Also, their screen name then appears in pink text for example Polite24 who has the rank of Sports Bore on these forums.

Anyway . . . . .

No, I would not call all blacks rapists just simply because some black guy rapes somebody, because white guys also commit rape.

The difference is, when a mere mortal, black or white commits rape, if found guilty in a court of law, they go to prison.

But when some drooling slack-jawed knuckle-dragging moron commits rape, if he happens to be a professional football player, black or white, he usually goes unpunished, or only gets a slap on the wrist, but most of the time, not even that, he gets a pat on the back from his coach, a brand new car for FREE, and a millions dollar raise on his yearly contract.



And what I absolutely resent is how these ignorant baboons who are illiterate, or semi-literate at best, can make millions of dollars just for chasing a ball. In our Universities, a football coach gets paid twice or even thrice as much as a Physics professor or an Astronomy professor.



And football players have all kinds of extra privileges that places them above the law. A monkey-boy can park his $100,000 dollar Hummer all day long in a 15 minute parking zone, and he never has to worry about getting his vehicle towed away, nor even a fine.

In school, a jock, and I know you hate that word "jock" but I'm going to use it anyway, so get use to it.

Anyway . . . . .

In school a JOCK who beats up on other students gets away with it just simply because he's a JOCK!!!

When I was in the 6th grade, one day during recess, this other kid came up to me, and kicked me in the testicles. I was doubled over in pain while he was laughing at me, and when the pain finally subsided, I got back up on my feet, and then I lunged toward him, knocked him over backward, and I was on top of him, and I proceeded to pound his face in with my fists.

Well, this teacher who was monitoring the playground during recess, she was a great big German woman weighing well over 300 pounds. She grabbed me by the collar of my jacket, and started choking me, and she dragged me to the principles office, and I was choking all the way. I actually thought I was going to die from strangulation.

Anyway, I was punished for defending myself. The principle then called my mother to come and get me and take me home. But the kid who attacked me was never punished for kicking me in the testicles. He was an athlete who made high marks in physical education, but he was a drooling moron who was flunking on his ass in all other academic subjects.

He was NEVER held accountable for what he did to me, but I was punished for defending myself.

So, when a JOCK attacks you during recess or in the gym, you are not allowed to defend yourself.

You must stand there and let the JOCK use you for a punching bag or a tackling dummy.

Now, I am well aware that NOT ALL sports fans are obnoxious bores and NOT ALL athletes are brutal gutter-thugs.

Of course, Polite24 likes to make a case for it being the majority of athletes and sports fans who are not obnoxious bores, something like 99% percent, a number he keeps pulling out of his ass.

Sorry, but from what I know from personal experience, the decent sports fans and decent athletes do not make up 99% percent, but are actually in the minority of sports fans and athletes.

The majority of sports fan and athletes, that is, sports bores and assholetes , another words JOCKS are the absolute SCUM OF THE EARTH!!!

OK, an athlete who is a halfway decent person who is not a bully, but tries to be a good person, he is only an athlete. I will concede to that.

But,if an athlete who is a rude and obnoxious bore at best, and a slimy low-life gutter-thug at the worse (and some are slimy low-life gutter-thugs at best) then, he is a . . .

JOCK!!!

I rest my case!

[Sergey]

I bet he'll keep this idiocy up and I'll have to ask Skul or Ray to put his rank as "The Imbecilic Troll" and give the Jersey of Shame and change the color of his name to pink.

[Sergey]

I am going to see how easy it is to irritate him by showing this link. http://www.factpile.com/warhammer-40k-vs-star-trek

[Fat Man]

I am going to see how easy it is to irritate him by showing this link. http://www.factpile.com/warhammer-40k-vs-star-trek

Well, I'm a Star Trek fan myself, but Warhammer 40K looks pretty cool!!!

I bet he'll keep this idiocy up and I'll have to ask Skul or Ray to put his rank as "The Imbecilic Troll" and give the Jersey of Shame and change the color of his name to pink.

Yeah! That might happen.

Of course, I got to admit, he is more polite than I'll ever be, because I'm a big fat bitch and all that, and he does sound intelligent for an athlete and sports fan.

But he does not know it all.

It's up to us to break him of his know-it-all attitude and show him where the proverbial bear shits in the proverbial buckwheat.

[Sergey]

I am going to see how easy it is to irritate him by showing this link. http://www.factpile.com/warhammer-40k-vs-star-trek

Well, I'm a Star Trek fan myself, but Warhammer 40K looks pretty cool!!!

I bet he'll keep this idiocy up and I'll have to ask Skul or Ray to put his rank as "The Imbecilic Troll" and give the Jersey of Shame and change the color of his name to pink.

Yeah! That might happen.

Of course, I got to admit, he is more polite than I'll ever be, because I'm a big fat bitch and all that, and he does sound intelligent for an athlete and sports fan.

But he does not know it all.

It's up to us to break him of his know-it-all attitude and show him where the proverbial bear shits in the proverbial buckwheat.

Warhammer 40k has the Chaos Gods, C'Tan, Gork and Mork, The Laughing God, Khaine, and other surviving Eldar Gods, and the Immortal God Emperor of Man so it's a little biased, since the Q was outsmarted by girls and some French officer, and the Immortal God Emperor of Man is stronger than the Q since he can destroy a universe pretty easy, and he can destroy reality at full power. I found this too. http://www.factpile.com/chaos-gods-vs-q ... celestials

[Sergey]

Oh and yes I think people who play Starcraft deserve more money than sports.

[Earl]

I think some of you are being way too hard on SportsGuy92. He sounds to me like heâ??s a really nice guy. I realize that Iâ??m judging merely from posted comments. I also realize that there usually is no way to verify comments made in website messaging boards and that some devious person might create a fictional persona to fool those who read his comments. SportsGuy92â??s comments seem genuine to me. I have chosen to risk the possibility of erring on the side of trust, instead of on the side of suspicion and prejudice. If I turn out to be wrong in a situation like this, the consequences are trivial.

The Trolling One is not surprised at your failed attempts to troll my less paranoid allies, but I can see you laughing your ass off. NOW GET OFF!

Sergey, why do you think he's laughing at us? On what do you base your assumption? I'm not meaning to be disrespectful. I'm just trying to get you to think.

Also, despite my interest in sports I don't believe in having physical education classes in schools. While it can be fun with a good teacher, one semester I also had the biggest asshole you could imagine for gym. You know the kind of teacher I'm talking about, every school has one, the guy who always has to enforce the minor rules that nobody else gives a shit about. In his class it seemed like the point wasn't to get exercise but memorize every goddamn rule of whatever sport as if that was as necessary for college as reading or math skills. My point is, gym classes take up time that is needed for more important subjects in school and it should be up to kids and their families to decide how and when if at all they want to exercise.

Sergey, did you notice what he said? He agrees with you about P.E.

SportsGuy92 is defensive because he doesnâ??t want to be negatively stereotyped. Let me say this to make my point: As Iâ??ve said in one of my letters in the â??Letters 2009â? column, when I was still in junior high, my parents sent me to a psychologist because I was being picked on at school. The psychologist, who was incompetent, sent me to a judo instructor, which was pointless because the bullying I was experiencing at school was verbal, not physical. The instructor was not Asian, but was a white man who was a former university football player. I always felt like an outsider in his judo classes, and finally quit during my junior year in high school because I felt that I was just wasting my time. (The psychologist should have sent me to a gym instead.) Eight years later I visited the judo instructor at his home, when he made some rather revealing comments. He claimed that he had saved me from homosexuality, which is absolutely ludicrous, since you cannot save someone from something he doesnâ??t want to do unless it is about to be forced upon him against his will. I was quite outraged by his claim. The judo instructor had negatively stereotyped me from the first day we met. When he saw me, I was a very shy, slightly built boy who had no self-confidence and liked to read books about reptiles and other wildlife. So, he suspected that I must have homosexual tendencies, which was totally wrong (as my wife would attest).

I donâ??t mean to draw attention to myself. The point is that no decent person likes to be subjected to a negative stereotype. SportsGuy92 feels that he has been subjected to a negative stereotype. That is why he has reacted defensively. Just as he reacts against negative stereotyping of athletes, I react the same way whenever I hear nonathletic boys who have no interest in sports called â??sissiesâ? or â??fags.â? And he doesnâ??t deny that some athletes are jerks. Trying to pick a fight with SportsGuy92 is pointless. I say give him a break. No pink-letter treatment for him.

[Sergey]

Since trolls always attempt to act serious but he just keeps coming proving he wants attention rather than debating.

If he's defensive why is he attacking us before we get to respond?

[Lewis]

I don't think he will be back. If he was going to he would of responded to his replies.

[Skul]

What's he done, really? As far as I've seen, he's not come on here, boasting that he's better than us or acted like so many other sports fans who have come on here.

You're hurling angry, hateful comments at him when he's not done the same. I can understand that those of you who have been called out are angry, but a new member who sees your posts may think the same about you. He doesn't know everyone's story, so he was reacting to how you are representing yourselves. Give him time to get to know you, provided he stays around that long.

Also, remember Rule #1:

§1)No Flaming/Flame-baiting

Flame-baiting is not tolerated. Flame-baiting is making a post to someone that is obviously intended to elicit an angry response.

This goes for posts and PMs to sports fans, too. Not all sports fans who visit here are rude and obnoxious. Do not automatically assume they are and instantly start hurling abuse at them if they have not posted anything abusive themselves. If they start using insults, then by all means give it back to them.

In other words -- respond in kind.

Which reminds me -- stop quoting entire posts. Everyone, please read over the rules one more time. I hate telling you guys to do this, as I don't want to sound like some overly-strict dictatorish administrator, but it's my job.