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[Agent 47]

I didn't know the definition of racism was that broad, so you got me there.

Ahhh, I thought maybe you'd seen the light, Detroit/Polite,

BUT THEN YOU WENT AND RUINED IT WITH THIS -

you are a fucking idiot.

Well for starters, that's not very polite for someone that CALLS themselves POLITE, now is it. To me that shows how you are trying to deceive everyone here with such a sham name. I bet you just piss yourself laughing that they even allow you to stay on here. I would ban you to kingdom come if it were up to me. You just pollute this website with all your garbage. You are a pollutant.

Detroit/Polite, I've said it before, and I'll say it again -

your mind is SO obviously such a tangled web of inaccuracies. So much bullshit. Where does one start.

Because at this point, I need to untangle some more of your bullshit.

you're being pretty confrontational.

Well that's just more of your garbage. I AM NOT BEING CONFRONTATIONAL. DON'T FORGET, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT INTRODUCED YOURSELF TO ME BY WAY OF AN INSULT, SO I HAVE ONLY EVER BEEN DEFENDING MYSELF HERE. You started it, so don't twist it around like that.

And it's been interesting to see your response to me now that you are fully aware that I feel that you introduced yourself to me with an insult. If you REALLY were "Polite", then you would have apologised for offending me. That's called manners. But instead what have you done? CONTINUED ATTACKING ME. That shows your true nature. That shows what you are really here for.

I normally don't attack people.

Oh really? Well I know from personal experience that you introduced yourself to me with an insult, and I also just happened to stumble upon this one other little post of yours introducing yourself to another new sports hater here, with an insult, (The1982Channel) -

LOL at this poster

What a jerk you are. Notice how that dude hasn't been back since. Looks like you scared him off. You claimed a scalp. You caused there to be one less sports hating member on this website. That was your intention wasn't it. That's classic bully behaviour. Go up to the new guys and push them around. YOU ARE A CYBER BULLY. That's your real purpose here isn't it. You're basically just "grooming" everyone here to think that you're "Mr. Polite". I can't believe you're not banned.

And don't accuse me of this whole NBA/NBL is better/worse thing either. I never made any such statements about who is better or worse. I wouldn't have a clue who is better or worse, AND I COULDN'T CARE LESS EITHER. You're living in fantasy land if you think I said that anywhere. Please show me the quote of where I said any such thing. Maybe my internet is different down here or something and I'm reading a different website to you, but I can't seem to find where I made any such claims. You basically made a claim that the NBL was no good, AND ALL I EVER ASKED WAS FOR YOU TO PROVE IT TO ME.

And that's what led to that whole statistical argument, (that YOU introduced), that ended in you losing your own argument. Apparently you still don't actually get it though, so have another go....

Dsf08, your mind is SO obviously such a tangled web of inaccuracies. So much bullshit. Where does one start. But it looks like I'll have to at least go over (YET AGAIN) the absolute basics for you. It's disappointingly dull and dreary that it has to come to this though - you're like the slow kid in class that needs everything explained to them several times - but it seems that's how it is. Now, dsf08, I'm going to type this out very slowly for you, so try to keep up.

1. You made a statement that "the NBL is nowhere near one of the best basketball leagues..."

2. So I basically said "prove it".

3. Then the proof you offered for that, was that "VERY FEW Australian players...etc..." - THEREFORE YOU INTRODUCED A STATISTICAL ARGUMENT.

4. So, going with your statistical argument, I then pointed out that the national participation figures would have to, at the very least, be WEIGHTED to take into account the different population totals for each country, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD BE MAKING AN UNREALISTIC STATISTICAL COMPARISON.

5. And the result of that SIMPLE population adjustment calculation is that Australia is actually OVER represented in the NBA. (For which I submitted evidence, and I even showed you which buttons to push on a calculator so you could work it out for yourself. BUT YOU WERE TOO DOPEY TO EVEN VERIFY THOSE FIGURES FOR YOURSELF WEREN'T YOU, YOU CLUELESS HALF-WIT).

6. And so that simple population adjustment calculation EXPOSES YOU AS TALKING SHIT, (in that "VERY FEW Australian players..."), AND THAT'S THE POINT - YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AS TALKING SHIT. YOU INTRODUCED A STATISTICAL ARGUMENT, AND I SIMPLY TOOK YOUR ARGUMENT AND TURNED IT AGAINST YOU. SUCKED IN. SO THAT'S CONFIRMED. YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT.

The only problem here is that YOU AREN'T COMPREHENDING the reality of those actual statistics. You just AREN'T taking the population adjustment calculation into account. AND THAT IS WHAT IS CAUSING YOUR INACCURACY. SO THE PROBLEM IS WITH YOU, NOT ME. YOU'RE JUST TOO THICK TO GET IT. THE MATHEMATICS OF IT ALL HAS JUST GONE RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN ADDITION TO EXPOSING YOU AS TALKING SHIT, I HAVE ALSO EXPOSED YOU AS BEING MATHEMATICALLY RETARDED. WHAT A BONUS. SO, DOUBLE SUCKED IN YOU STUPID MORON.

But I tell you what I'll do. I'm going to offer you some help. You seem to be lacking in the mathematical skills department. You seem to have a problem with numbers. So I know where you can get some free tuition for that. There's an educational program on TV that can help people at your level brush up on your basic mathematical skills. You should watch it. You might learn something. It's called SESAME STREET.

HA HA! For you, watching SESAME STREET would be like going to UNIVERSITY! - HA HA, sucked in AGAIN you STUPID, STUPID MORON!

It's over dude. You lost.

But anyway, there is one other thing that I do agree with you about though -

you're joke about counting is pretty funny too.

Yeah, it's a crack up, isn't it?!!!
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[Polite24]

You present your facts well, I'll give you that.

The bottom line is you're claiming racism because me and sportsguy92 said the NBA is the best basketball league. That's beyond idiotic.

And I thought the 1982channel was funny.

The NBL isn't anywhere near one of the basketball leagues, which is proven by the low number of Australians in the NBA

http://www.basketballreference.com/play ... m?code=AUS

[Agent 47]

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So just to re-cap, here's Detroit/Polite introducing himself to The1982Channel by way of an insult -

LOL at this poster

And here's his justification for that -

I thought the 1982channel was funny.

BULLSHIT D/P. You were insulting him. There's a difference between laughing WITH somebody, and laughing AT them. You were laughing AT him. You even said so yourself in the actual post - "Lol AT THIS poster". That's an insult. You really are a low piece of garbage.

The bottom line is you're claiming racism because me and sportsguy92 said the NBA is the best basketball league.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG - YET AGAIN.

Boy D/P, you really are the master at going around and around in circles. It's as if nothing I've said has sunk in to your thick skull. You've just gone right back to square one again. It really is like talking to a brick wall with you. I don't know how much more I can dumb it down for you, but I'll have another go.

BASICALLY, YOU USED SPORT AS A VEHICLE TO RACIALLY INSULT ME.

O.K., so lets analyze this. Your very first ever statement to me was -

the NBL is nowhere near one of the best basketball leagues.

There are 2 elements to that statement of yours -

Element (a): Demeaning Australians (by demeaning Australian basketball), and,
Element (b): Use of a sporting reference (to demean Australians).

The thing is you see, if the sporting reference turned out to be true, then your very first ever statement to me would simply have been a statement of fact, and I wouldn't have called you a racist. But I asked you - the self proclaimed expert on international basketball - to prove it to me. But you completely failed to prove anything. So therefore you just ended up demeaning Australians based on your own warped view of the world.

I asked you to prove the sporting reference element of your very first statement to me by way of MY very first ever statement to YOU, which was actually the question -

How do you even know that?

1: But you completely failed to prove it. The "proof" you used, and continue to use to this day, is the number of Australians in the NBA. But I have shown how the number of Australians is actually OVER represented in the NBA, WHICH COMPLETELY DEBUNKS YOUR SO CALLED "PROOF".

2: Therefore your negative statement about Australian basketball WAS NOT A PROVEN FACT, BUT MERELY ONLY YOUR OPINION.

3: Therefore the sporting element of your first statement to me was invalid and irrelevant.

4: Therefore the only remaining element of your first statement to me was the demeaning Australians part of it.

5: Therefore you simply demeaned Australians, and nothing else. You simply revealed YOUR NEGATIVE OPINION OF AUSTRALIANS and nothing else.

6: THEREFORE THAT WAS A RACIALLY INSULTING STATEMENT.

7: THEREFORE UP YOURS.

Now, I just know you're going to keep disputing the fact that Australians are actually OVER represented in the NBA, so I need to ask you another question. To me, it's really quite clear and straight forward that you would need to make a population adjustment calculation to get a realistic statistical comparison. To me, that just seems MATHEMATICALLY OBVIOUS. But YOU still don't seem to accept that. So now I just need to ask you the following question to help me understand your position on this -

"Why WOULDN'T you make an adjustment for national population figures when making such a comparison?" Huh? EXPLAIN THAT.

Please enlighten us all with your wisdom Detroit/Polite - what INGENIOUS new mathematical theorem have you boffins at the UNIVERSITY OF SESAME STREET come up with to NEGATE the need to adjust for differences in source population figures to get a realistic statistical comparison?

[Polite24]

You're over analyzing everything. The bottom line is the NBL doesn't matter. I could have sworn I showed a list of all the Australian players in the NBA and it was like 5 or 6....The FACT that Australia sucks at basketball has been proven during the Olympics, and by the low number competing in the NBA. Perhaps Australia doesn't suck, but their league going under has very little relevance to basketball globally.

[Sergey]

Why bump this thread? WHY?!

[Polite24]

Don't blame me, I'm just responding.

[Sergey]

And you know what happens when you respond, they respond back and a flame war begins!

[SportsGuy92]

dickfilthy:

For the last time, any comments by me or Polite 24 are not meant to be racist in any way. Think about this: if the NBA is really not the best basketball league, why do the best players from everywhere (including Australia) try to play in it? Why is it that Michael Jordan is a global icon as famous as any celebrity or politician, instead of random Australian Basketball League player guy who'd never make it in the NBA?

[Sergey]

dickfilthy:

For the last time, any comments by me or Polite 24 are not meant to be racist in any way. Think about this: if the NBA is really not the best basketball league, why do the best players from everywhere (including Australia) try to play in it? Why is it that Michael Jordan is a global icon as famous as any celebrity or politician, instead of random Australian Basketball League player guy who'd never make it in the NBA?

I don't care about the leagues, because leagues=/=race therefor no racism.

[Agent 47]

Think about this: if the NBA is really not the best basketball league, why do the best players from everywhere (including Australia) try to play in it? Why is it that Michael Jordan is a global icon as famous as any celebrity or politician, instead of random Australian Basketball League player guy who'd never make it in the NBA?

SPORTSGUY92 - THAT IS SOOOOOOO BOOOOOOORING.

And don't accuse me of this whole NBA/NBL is better/worse thing either. I never made any such statements about who is better or worse. I wouldn't have a clue who is better or worse, AND I COULDN'T CARE LESS EITHER. You're living in fantasy land if you think I said that anywhere. Please show me the quote of where I said any such thing.

WHAT PART OF - "I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FRIG ABOUT THE FRIGGIN' NBA, OR FRIGGIN' BASKETBALL, OR BULLSHIT BORING FRIGGIN' SPORTS IN GENERAL" - ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE WITH?

[Agent 47]

Perhaps Australia doesn't suck

What's this - could it be - progress?

WELL APPARENTLY NOT, because it was just drowned out by more of the usual barrage of insults and abuse -

the NBL doesn't matter
Australia sucks at basketball

But it seems you really do have some deeply ingrained beliefs that some races/nationalities are inferior to others, don't you, based on the general meaning that you are assigning to the Olympics. I think you are reading WAY too much into the olympics.

Dominance on the olympic ladder would have to do with things like differences in population totals between countries, differences in affluence, and differences in cultural saturation of sports between countries, because at the scale of nations, PEOPLE ARE BASICALLY ALL THE SAME. (see "Whose Genome is It?", at - http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/H ... rns-82.pdf ).

But you seem to be persisting with the attitude that countries that are not on the top of the olympics ladder are therefore INFERIOR PEOPLE in some way. (They "suck" as you say in your simple terms). Well, with an attitude like that, then you really are KKK material.

POPULATION TOTALS - At the scale of nations/countries, people are all the same - i.e. there is the same comparative degree and spread of abilities (and disabilities) in every country. So let's say (just as an example) that 0.0001% of humans in general have the potential to be really shit hot at sport - good enough for the top leagues/olympics level etc. Well then that would apply equally to each country as well, because we are all the same species of animal.

So naturally then, 0.0001% of the population of a large country like the USA is going to end up being a much bigger number of people than 0.0001% of the population of a small country like Australia. So naturally, the country with the larger population will have a larger POOL of top level players available to them to use at the olympics, and would therefore logically go on to do better at the olympics. That just seems obvious to me, but it certainly doesn't mean that the population of the smaller countries are somehow genetically inferior. (or that they "suck" as you say).

AFFLUENCE - Just picture the extreme example of people in a poor, drought ravaged, war torn country scratching around in the dirt just looking for a way to feed themselves on a daily basis. They don't have time to run around chasing balls and trying to get into the olympics, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE SOMEHOW GENETICALLY INFERIOR PEOPLE.

Whereas people in more affluent countries do have the luxury of time to do that if they want to, and the government subsidies and wealthy investors are there to bankroll and promote the whole business and hype of ball chasing, so again, there's just more concentration of it in wealthier countries, and so again naturally it follows that the wealthier countries would have a bigger pool of players to draw upon, and again naturally that would translate to better results at the olympics - BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM GENETICALLY SUPERIOR PEOPLE.

CULTURAL SATURATION OF SPORTS - Certain sports, and sports in general, are just more popular in certain countries, and so yet again that would develop a bigger pool of potential top level players to draw upon to use at the olympics for those countries. So again that would translate into an imbalance in olympic results that actually has nothing to do with racial/national "superirority".

So just because the USA has a relatively large population, and enough spare affluence to bankroll the development, and commercial promotion, of sport, that doesn't mean that other countries "suck" as you say. You only reinforce the stereotype of the loud offensive sports jerk by saying such things. And you only reinforce what a small minded jerk YOU really are by saying such things.

China has an enormous population, but they don't have the affluent economy yet, or a long enough history of western sports in their culture yet, but they're working on it, and they will get there, and then THEY will dominate the olympics ladders.

natmanhan said it way back on page 1 of this thread -

Hehehe...China has a lot of people and a lot of determination.

But when China dominates the olympics ladders, that won't be because they have suddenly become genetically superior, or that Americans have suddenly become genetically inferior. It will be because their affluence and their sporting culture will have become more westernised, and then by sheer weight of numbers they will just blow America away at the olympics. Then all your arguments will all collapse in a screaming heap, won't they. Then you will be just another boring miserable sports fan with a bad attitude. (oh, I see you're practising for that already). If you are using the olympics results ladder as a checklist of racial/national superiority, then you really do have a KKK attitude. You need to realise that and get off your high horse about it.

And yeah yeah, I saw your link to those figures a couple of posts ago, but they actually reinforce MY case even more though, so thanks for them. The figures I originally used were the current ones at the time from last season, which were 2 Australians in the NBA. But then if you do the population adjustment calculation on that, that means that even with 2 Australians in the NBA, Australians are actually OVER represented in the NBA. And I see that this season there are now 3 Australians in the NBA, so that's EVEN MORE OVER represented. And now if you are saying 5 or 6, then all the better for me. But it works even when using the worst case scenario of 2, so it's all good. But thanks for trying to help out anyway.

It is important to take the population adjustment calculation into account, because without it, you're not making a realistic statistical comparison. Without the population adjustment calculation, you are only just CHEATING YOURSELF out of the TRUE PICTURE of the situation, and CHEATING is very UNSPORTSMANLIKE now isn't it. And you wouldn't want to be seen as an UNsportsmanlike cheat now would you?

But instead, you just avoid the issue of the population adjustment calculation altogether. I even asked you a very specific question about it in my last post to you, but you have just completely ignored it.

Why WOULDN'T you make an adjustment for national population figures when making such a comparison?

But I'm now really starting to wonder what's going on here, because there's a couple of strange things that have happened. Firstly, way back on page 2 of this thread, you completely misquoted me when I said 0.46%. You mistook that for 46%. That was quite a blunder on your part. You were way out by a big margin there.

And you repeatedly avoid, and demonstrate a failure to comprehend, the important fundamental issue of the population adjustment calculation. So I'm just starting to wonder if maybe you really do have a serious problem with understanding basic concepts to do with numbers and simple mathematics? I'm starting to wonder if you might actually have some sort of LEARNING DISABILITY to do with numbers?

I mean because even now, even just in your last post to me you said "5 or 6" (Australians). So which is it? - Is it 5? - Or is it 6? Which is it Detroit/Polite? Don't you know? Do you have trouble counting past 5?

And it's funny you know, but when I click on that link of yours from a couple of posts ago, I count 8. And yet you said 5 or 6. But it's got 8 there. What's wrong Detroit/Polite? Can't you count up to 8? Is that it?

It seems like you don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about when it comes to anything to do with numbers, do you. I'm beginning to wonder if you do actually have some sort of mental condition like ADD, ADHD or DYSCALCULIA or something?

You just seem completely lost when it comes to the simple population adjustment calculation. So what's wrong Detroit/Polite? Do you have a LEARNING DISABILITY such as ADD?, ADHD?, or DYSCALCULIA?

What is it Detroit/Polite? What's wrong with you? Why can't you understand numbers?

[greencom]

Dickfilthy,
I understand the theme of these conversations but this thread is starting to sound like a sports debating team. NBA NBL NFL BFG STFU very boring.
Greencom

[Polite24]

The fact that Australia is over represented in relation to their total population is absolutely irrelevant dude, they've had EIGHT Nba players, and maybe only a few of those guys being worth anything in the NBA.

Keep over analyzing everything, Americans are superior at basketball to Australians. I never said they were superior as a nationality, race, or country. Learn to separate the two.

You're missing the point. Australia may be decent at basketball for the amount of people they have, but they are virtually irrelevant on a national scale and the fact that the NBL shut down means nothing to basketball worldwide, which is all I've been saying since the beginning. You're a fucking clown dude.

[SportsGuy92]

Think about this: if the NBA is really not the best basketball league, why do the best players from everywhere (including Australia) try to play in it? Why is it that Michael Jordan is a global icon as famous as any celebrity or politician, instead of random Australian Basketball League player guy who'd never make it in the NBA?

SPORTSGUY92 - THAT IS SOOOOOOO BOOOOOOORING.

And don't accuse me of this whole NBA/NBL is better/worse thing either. I never made any such statements about who is better or worse. I wouldn't have a clue who is better or worse, AND I COULDN'T CARE LESS EITHER. You're living in fantasy land if you think I said that anywhere. Please show me the quote of where I said any such thing.

WHAT PART OF - "I DON'T GIVE A FLYING FRIG ABOUT THE FRIGGIN' NBA, OR FRIGGIN' BASKETBALL, OR BULLSHIT BORING FRIGGIN' SPORTS IN GENERAL" - ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE WITH?

It's not my fault if I'm boring you by talking about basketball, you're the one who brought it up in the first place retard.

[Agent 47]

It's not my fault if I'm boring you by talking about basketball, you're the one who brought it up in the first place retard.

YEAH - I brought it up BECAUSE IT'S DYING. I brought it up only so as to DANCE ON THE GRAVE OF IT. I'm happy for there to be LESS of it. Get it, RETARD?