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Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own Sons!

Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:59 pm
by Fat Man
Ah yes! This ol' world just keeps on getting better and better every day! Doesn't it?

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Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own Sons
Lawsuit Claims Pope, Vatican Covered Up Sordid Life of Legion of Christ Founder

By ANNA SCHECTER and BRIAN ROSS
June 21, 2010

A prominent Catholic priest, praised by Pope John Paul II as "an efficacious guide to youth," Father Marcial Maciel, sexually abused not only young seminarians under his control but also abused his own children, according to a lawsuit filed today in Connecticut by a man who claims to be Maciel's son.

In an interview to be broadcast Monday evening on ABC News Nightline, the priest's son, Raul Gonzalez, 30, says he thought his father worked for the CIA or an international oil company, until he saw the priest's picture in a 1997 magazine article detailing allegations of sexual abuse.

"My mom said, 'Is that you?' and my dad said, 'No, it's not me' and my mom said, 'Yeah, it's you,'" recalled Gonzalez in the interview, conducted by Jason Berry, an investigative journalist who first reported on widespread sexual abuse by Maciel at the Legion of Christ and writes for the National Catholic Reporter.

The Legion of Christ has acknowledged that Father Maciel fathered at least one child as a priest.

Under Father Maciel, the Legion of Christ became one of the Roman Catholic Church's most prominent, conservative and financially successful orders. Among its many supporters are Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim.

The lawsuit claims Vatican ignored reports of sexual abuse by Maciel since the 1950s, until he was forced out of the Legion by Pope Benedict XVI in 2006. Citing his age, the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith declined to put Maciel on trial but he was ordered to a "life of prayer and penitence."

"Pope Benedict in 2006 moved my father, my daddy, or Marcial Maciel to rest. To pray. Why didn't he bring him to jail?" Gonzalez asked in the interview. The lawsuit filed by Maciel's alleged son claims the Vatican and the presiding Pope from the 1950's until 2002 "engaged in a conspiracy to conceal their knowledge of Maciel's serial delicts, including the repeated sexual abuse of children."

The lawsuit claims Maciel "gained influence and protection from the Vatican through giving substantial monies to Vatican officials" and providing other benefits and gifts.

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Jose Raul Gonzalez Lara, seen here meeting Pope John Paul II during
a visit to the Vatican, claims that Father Marcial Maciel, disgraced
founder of Catholic order the Legion of Christ, was his father. He
alleges that Father Maciel molested him repeatedly. (ABC News)


There was no immediate comment from the Vatican or the Legion of Christ. In his interview, Gonzalez said his father was protected by Pope John Paul II. "My dad told my mom that when John Paul II dies, he was going to be in trouble," Gonzalez said. Gonzalez said when he was nine, his father took him to Rome for a private mass celebrated by John Paul II.

"I kissed [John Paul's] ring," Gonzalez said.

Father Maciel was 60 when he fathered Gonzalez with a 20-year old Mexican woman, Blanca Gutierrez Lara, Gonzalez said. They lived a life of comfort in Cuernavaca, Mexico with money secretly funneled by Father Maciel. Gonzalez said his father had a second mistress in Spain, with whom he fathered a daughter. Published reports contend Father Maciel had a third mistress and family in Switzerland.

Gonzalez said his father began to abuse him and his half-brother, Omar, on a trip to Madrid when he was ten years old. "He told me that his uncle sometimes made him masturbate him and basically the idea of my dad was to transmit that idea to me," said Gonzalez.

His father also instructed him to take photographs with a Polaroid camera. "My feeling is those photos maybe were passing to other people, like pornography," Gonzalez recounted during the interview in which he broke down and cried when describing the abuse by his father. "He would always tell us how to kiss, and we had to kiss him because that was the way we were going to learn how to kiss a girl when we grew up," Gonzalez said.

Gonzalez says that over nearly a decade of repeated abuse, he never confronted his father about the sex acts or the revelation that he was a prominent priest. He said his father, even after acts of abuse, always told him, "'Go to mass, don't smoke, don't drink.'"

"I didn't have the words to confront my dad at seventeen years old," he said.

Gonzalez says when his father's health began to fail, Maciel talked to him about going to a bank in Switzerland where there was money for him in an account. But Gonzalez says his father never provided him with the details. According to the National Catholic Reporter, a trust fund Maciel set up for his family in Mexico turned up empty.

Gonzalez says he has met several times with officials of the Legion of Christ about a possible financial settlement, demanding $26 million. Gonzalez's lawyer, Jeffrey Anderson, who has represented hundreds of people who have alleged sexual abuse by Catholic priests, says this case represents a new chapter of depravity in the church.

"We are here to tell the truth," Anderson told ABC News. At a press conference Monday, Anderson asked how the Vatican could explain its failure to act. "How could Vatican officials allow such a dangerous predator to roam the landscape and the globe with the power given to him as the founder of the Legion of Christ?"

Anderson is listed as one of the financial contributors to Berry's documentary film about Maciel and the Legion of Christ, "Vows of Silence."
I'm so angry about this, that I better not say anything more.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:30 am
by HugeFanOfBadReligion
What's new? The Catholic Church really needs to solve the problems they have with pedophilia, because they don't exactly have the greatest history involving it. Just reading that article sickened me. I couldn't imagine experiencing something as traumatic as that, it's just terrible. I swear they need to monitor any suspicious priests from now on, because there's obviously a relationship between pedophilia and the Vatican.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:21 am
by Fat Man
HugeFanOfBadReligion wrote:What's new? The Catholic Church really needs to solve the problems they have with pedophilia, because they don't exactly have the greatest history involving it. Just reading that article sickened me. I couldn't imagine experiencing something as traumatic as that, it's just terrible. I swear they need to monitor any suspicious priests from now on, because there's obviously a relationship between pedophilia and the Vatican.
When I was 17 years old, I suffered an emotional and mental breakdown and spent three weeks in a psychiatric ward in a town in northern New Mexico, where patients were often beaten by the ward attendants, and one night I was raped, and when I reported it, I was beaten by the ward attendants.

Most of them were Catholic.

Yes, the Catholic church has had a long long history of corruption over the past 2000 years.

Hey boys and girls! Can you say, Inquisition?

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:02 am
by Earl
Fat Man, I don't doubt that what you say is true; but how did you know that most of the ward attendants were Catholics?

I didn't know you were beaten for reporting the rape. Good grief! No wonder you're not fond of the Catholic church.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:08 am
by Fat Man
Earl wrote:Fat Man, I don't doubt that what you say is true; but how did you know that most of the ward attendants were Catholics?

I didn't know you were beaten for reporting the rape. Good grief! No wonder you're not fond of the Catholic church.
How do I know most of the ward attendants were Catholic?

Because one Sunday evening, the majority of patients and most of the attendants left the ward for a couple of hours to attend an evening Mass while only a few patients and a couple of attendants stayed behind in the ward.

It was the Catholic attendants who beat the crap out of me when I reported the rape.

And the guy who raped me, he was among those who attend the evening Mass.

Oh! By the way, there were no religious services there for non-Catholics, so the rest of us were shit out of luck!

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:48 am
by Earl
The pedophile who raped you attended Mass? How can perverts like this even presume to be religious? Talk about hypocrisy! Sheesh! :(

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:56 am
by Fat Man
Earl wrote:The pedophile who raped you attended Mass? How can perverts like this even presume to be religious? Talk about hypocrisy! Sheesh! :(
It's not at all surprising.

We all know a lot of priests are pedophiles, so it should come as no surprise that many members of the church congregations are also pedophiles.

If priests and bishops can be pedophiles, then why not laymen?

Also, why not some nuns? Women can also be pedophiles.

Isn't it nice to know that pedophilia is an equal opportunity sort of thing?

It's just too fucking bad that getting a decent education in our schools is not also an equal opportunity sort of thing!

Ah! But we all have an equal opportunity to get butt-raped!!!

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:21 pm
by Indurrago
I'm surprised you're not on an anti-catholic/organized religion site telling people you're story instead of an anti-sports site. That top catholic priest was really despicable. He seems to have little morals at all, despite being someone preaches them.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:32 pm
by Fat Man
Indurrago wrote:I'm surprised you're not on an anti-catholic/organized religion site telling people you're story instead of an anti-sports site. That top catholic priest was really despicable. He seems to have little morals at all, despite being someone preaches them.
Excellent suggestion!!!

I'm going to search for an Anti-Catholic forum.

Hey! I have recently read a science fiction novel by Dan Brown titled Angels & Demons.

A scientist working at the particle accelerator at C.E.R.N. had produced a half a gram of anti-matter and he was plotting to blow up the Vatican.

This scientist wanted to punish the Roman Catholic Church for it's past crimes against humanity, the inquisition, and the persecution of scientists and intellectuals.

Well, I didn't like the way the story ended. He failed and the Vatican was saved. DAMN IT!!!

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:42 pm
by Drew McIntyre
Men like these need a future shock.

These people make me sick. Children are completely untouchable! They are the chosen ones that we sign personally as the future of the world. I don't want to see these priest's faces EVER AGAIN. I will become the future of Catholicism and reign supreme and end this pedophile party. What was yours, now is mine.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:51 pm
by Earl
Reads like troll. You're not trolling, by any chance, are you? You know trolling's not allowed. :mrgreen:

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:37 pm
by Brigan
He never wants to see Faces again, and talking about "The Chosen ones", do what you do to Trolls, Spammer Rank them and await the next one.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:32 pm
by i_like_1981
I agree with Brigan. I think it's time we had another SPAMMER rank used over here!

By the way, Drew, where did you get your username from? Is it your own name? Or is it perhaps the name of a PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_McIntyre

Best regards,
i_like_1981

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:59 pm
by HugeFanOfBadReligion
I suspected it all along. If you'll notice, I never replied to Drew because I wasn't going to make him think I wasn't suspecting. During his first post I was sure he was a troll, but eventually, I knew it was almost certain that he was a troll, but I didn't want to accuse him of it in case he wasn't and scare away someone from this forum.

But I say don't ban him yet. Give him some time to perhaps give a bit of a summary of who he actually is, why he trolled, things like that if he is willing enough, as long as he doesn't break any rules severely.

Re: Top Vatican Priest Accused of Sexually Abusing His Own S

Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:32 pm
by i_like_1981
HugeFanOfBadReligion wrote:I suspected it all along. If you'll notice, I never replied to Drew because I wasn't going to make him think I wasn't suspecting. During his first post I was sure he was a troll, but eventually, I knew it was almost certain that he was a troll, but I didn't want to accuse him of it in case he wasn't and scare away someone from this forum.

But I say don't ban him yet. Give him some time to perhaps give a bit of a summary of who he actually is, why he trolled, things like that if he is willing enough, as long as he doesn't break any rules severely.
What do you mean? Rational debate and reasoning with a troll; another person who's come on this board falsely representing themselves and wasting our time? You won't get anything out of him of any use. Well, you can try, but chances are it'll just be lies anyway. We need to ban and change ranks of these people who come on here under false pretences; they serve no use on this board.

Best regards,
i_like_1981