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Finally a site for me. isnt it funny how sports fanatics often dont take physical activities themselves. i would much rather spend my time having sex then spending money to watch to grown adults touch one another whilst. i mean really, i have a couple of friends who only invest time into talking about footy players and smoking dope. one is even a virgin at the age of 25. i mean really, your more concerened about what they do, then living their own life.

p.s. isnt it funny that sports fanatics are also generally un-creative. adding 'ie' to the end of someones 1st doesnt make it creative (or a nickname).
g-buz
melbourne, vic aus

In response to Mikhail:

Yeah! Most jocks and redneck trailer-trash sports fans really suck at trolling!

Most of them only have one-syllable words in their vocabulary.

No wait! I take that back!

Jocks do know some two-syllable words like, football, money, women, and Hummer!!!
Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Whoo-hoo! Love this site! To all of you jocks who are attempting to troll: you're doing it wrong. Not surprised though...maybe if you would have taken your education a little more seriously and not focused so much on playing with balls (heh heh,) you would be more apt to efficiently flame. Great site! Happily joining the movement!!!
Mikhail
NM USA

Howard says: "Just because you're a weakass nerd with no friends, doesn't mean sports suck."

A bully, perhaps?

"Nerd" -- just another hate word. You know, like "nigger," "spic," "kike," and (frequently) "jock." Is this the way you want to represent yourself, Howard.

(See more below.)

Earl

So, why did you visit this website if you knew that it would upset you? Sounds like a strange thing to do. If some people aren't interested in sports, why do you get upset about it? Why's it such a big deal to you? Regarding sports, there's no point of view other than your own? Why do you lash out at people you don't even know? If you respond to perceived hatred with hatred of your own, how does that make you any better? Do you think the supporters of this website all have the same views? If you do, you're mistaken. You think we all hate athletes? Many of us don't. So, why do you hate? You should become a member of the forum so you can tell us exactly why this website angers you. Who knows, you might learn something from us; and we could learn something from you (at least those of us who are willing to listen). Getting mad and running away is easy to do and is not very challenging.
Earl

Damn all these ignorant assholes that say sports suck. If the suck, then why the hell do so many people enjoy watching and playing. Just because you're a weakass nerd with no friends, doesn't mean sports suck.
Howard

You guys are a bunch of assholes and you probably just suck balls at sports. Just fuck off and go kill yourselves.
Pooplord

Sports Suck :).
(You should have more stuff in merchandise.)
Vinni
USA

Well, I'm back!

And I'm just going to say, I don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell about any of your sports fan retards and jock-tards.

You can all go crawl into a sewer, eat shit ad die!

And the sooner the better.

There is no law that requires that I must show any of you jocks and sports loving fuck-tards any respect!

Just, go die!

Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

... only for seven days.
Earl

They even banned him their own forum. He must be a nutjob.
Bill <bill@gmail.com>

In response to stonystevenson:

Quote:
Your fat man has issues which go way beyond the fun of attacking foolish sport enthusiasm and he should not post here.
End Quote:

Yeah! Uh huh!

And just like when I want to school, I should not have read astronomy books.

And my brother felt that I should not attempt to build a telescope so he tried to steal a shotgun from a neighbor to blow me away because he felt that my wanting to build a telescope was disruptive of our family.

And I should not do oil paintings!

Let's see . . . . . what else should I not be doing!

I know! I shouldn't be allowed to live!

Oh! And I guess that I deserved to get beaten and raped by an older man back when I was 17 years old.

LISTEN HERE YOU PIG FUCKER!!!

NOBODY TELLS ME WHAT I SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO!

GO EAT SHIT AND DIE!!!
Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Your fat man has issues which go way beyond the fun of attacking foolish sport enthusiasm and he should not post here. In England we used to have open sided sheds for bikes - bikesheds. Sports mongs didn't go there unless they were in a group. One day I was behind the bikesheds having a smoke and some black vans rolled into school and men in white coats (MIWC) got out and rounded up all the boys except (hidden) me. The MIWC injected all their captives with green piss and made them sign papers. After that all the other boys liked football (soccer) cricket and rugby - except me. I've always hated sport since, I nearly wept when London won the Olympic bid rather than Paris, a sad day for us all. I do like women's beach volleyball but I'm pretty sure, they being female sportmongs, I wouldn't bother to engage any one of them in conversation, ...look up psychopath and deficient amygdala. I am and never was either fat or scrawny. No email? Pointless - No likely hate mail from the illiterate
stonystevenson
London, [Type your answer here] United Kingdom

Sure, sports are a lot of fun for many people. But they're not for everyone. There's no debating preferences.
Earl

wild r the best! sports r fun

logan

sports are the best. wow go couver!!!!!
rob

i hate sports
wayne

40 years old, and I still am amazed at how so many people feel that they have to be part of a 'team' to fulfill some void in their lives. Real sad, and idiotic at times.
Henry Lindsay Jr <chillphil@carolina.rr.com>
Mount Holly, NC USA

65 years old never saw a ball game, in high school i beat up the foot ball capt.mean as they come and carry a gun..hate all sports and people while they are enjoying them on my time...............
Thomas Ott <gtott123@gmail.com>
Fernandina Beach, Florida United States

In response to major tom - aka - tiny timmy:

Quote:
"You're selfish to only care about yourself, and you're just too dumb to be able to address any of the other points I made."
End Quote:

Oh really! If I were selfish, and only cared about myself, then why am I always complaining about the declining quality of education in our schools? Eh?

I do care about other people besides myself.

I care about the best and brightest students who study hard to make good grades when it comes to their academic subjects, like SCIENCE AD MATH!!!

I care about them when I hear or read about how they get bullied around by the high school jocks who can't even read or write above the second grade level.

I'm not exaggerating, because when I was in high school, I knew a lot of guys who could just barely read at second or third grade level, yet, they expected everyone else to fall on their asses for them, and kiss their shitty hinnies!

Sorry, but I don't care about jocks!

Yeah! So I guess that makes me a selfish prick because I had refused to bow down and worship them as tin gods, and had refused to get down on my knees to sniff their jock straps!

OK, I guess you have probably noticed, I have not been posting as often as I use to on the forums.

That's because I've been rather busy.

I also subscribe to MoveOn,org, DEMAND PROGRESS, People For The American Way, CFI Center For Inquiry, Secular Coalition, Union Of Concerned Scientist, and to Richard Dawkins Web Site, and also, Amnesty International.

I get Newsletters from some, and online petitions which I have been signing!

WHY?

Because, I actually do care for other people besides myself!

In fact,I have pledged a monthly donation to Union of Concerned Scientists.

I'm deeply concerned about the quality of education, and human rights.

Everyday, I sign on average about 20 to 30 petitions each day.

Sorry, if I don't care for sports, or sports fans, or the jocks!

Now, who the Hell and I? Right?

Well, I guess I'm nothing, I'm a nobody.

I'm just some poor schmuck who loves to read books and support science education.

I support people who really matter. People who care about education, and people who care about human rights!

Oh! But I guess I'm just a selfish prick because I don't bow down and worship at the alter of sports!

Well, fuck you, and take a hike!

And no! I'm really not interested in addressing any of the other points you have tried to make!

The only point you have, is the point on top of your pointy little pin-head!

You're as real zip! Ya know that?

Now, pack your Gucci bag, and hit the fucking road Jack!

You contemptible slimy little bag of shit!


Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Paso, Texas The Banana Republic Of The USA

Major Tom:

Greetings! :-)

There's something I must say at this point; and that is, "There but for the grace of God go I."

I've known Fat Man personally ever since he started posting here in the spring of 2009. Even though we're friends, we have more than our share of differences; and I don't agree with some of his attitudes. He grew up with a great deal of abuse, both at school and (even more significantly) at home. While he was in high school, he suffered a nervous breakdown and was incarcerated in a state institution, where he was raped by another inmate -- a man in his forties who was a lot stronger physically. The mental health profession did not deal with male rape at that time; so, Fat Man never received any therapy. I'm aware of other mental issues as well that you, of course, know nothing about. The only point I'm making is that although I certainly had problems of my own as I was growing up, he was actually worse off than I was. I'm not sure I would have turned out better than he did if I had suffered the same traumatic experiences. Who knows, if I had suffered this sort of sexual assault when I was a teenager, I might have ended up gay instead of the devoted husband and father I am today. Again, I'm not condoning any of Fat Man's bad attitudes. I'm simply saying my view of him is a bit broader because I'm aware of his tragic background.

In an earlier message you said everyone is bullied or has a terrible time growing up. Not meaning to show you any disrespect, but that simply isn't true. First of all, not everyone is bullied in school. Some actually have a great time. And as far as those who actually are bullied is concerned, some are bullied only occasionally while others are bullied constantly over a period of years. And there are quiet kids whose classmates have no idea what torment they experience at home. The deep wounds are hidden.

Just trying to make a responsible statement here instead of always being a sort of clown. No offense intended.

Earl

Fatty:

You're selfish to only care about yourself, and you're just too dumb to be able to address any of the other points I made.

Have you heard the saying "it's better to remain quiet and be perceived a dumbass than to speak and remove all doubt"? Well, you should take that advice to heart.
mAJOR tOM

Sports are for retarded turkeys
David James <mistersister248@gmail.com>
Southfield, MI USA

In response to major tom (you don't deserve to have your name capitalized)

You say . . .

"But you cannot discredit that sports still do add happiness to many peoples' lives, and . . ."

Well, sports didn't add any happiness to my life. NO! Sports in my school ruined my life! It fucked up my life and it destroyed my life!

Normally, I wouldn't give two hoots in Hell about sports, if only sports were not forced on me when I was going to school.

I didn't start out in life hating sports.

No, I didn't hate sports, I was merely not interested in sports, and if people would have only let me be, it would have been fine.

But, after having had sports forced on me, and having been bullied around and beaten by sports fans and jocks, well . . . . .

It was sports, that taught me how to hate sports!

So . . . . .

FUCK OFF! CRAWL INTO A SEWER, EAT SHIT, AND DIE!

Oh! And before you die, I hope you are given an enema so that you can be buried in a match box!

Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Ahhh, the debate continues! :) :lol: :twisted:
Earl

Fatty McFatFat: It's YOU who is the moron. You simply cannot see how the free market works and why top tier athletes get paid more than an average university professor. Well, let me enlighten you:

Professional spots are a multi-billion dollar industry, where money is consistently flowing. And this is good, because it makes people spend their money and it helps get the economy rolling. Anyways, the reason why the best athletes in the world make millions of dollars is because there is not only because there is an extremely high demand for them, but also because they are virtually irreplaceable. If the best athlete in each respective sport were to have a career-ending injury, nobody can replace them. Even the mid-tier athletes and "scrubs" are in the top .01% of the entire world when it comes to their physical skill.

However, if a college professor were to retire or be unable to work for whatever reason, their vacancy will be easily filled immediately. This is because there is a larger supply of teachers with such a skill set. Yes, it's still difficult to become a professor, which is why their salary is still often in 6 figures. Many professors at universities also get very general benefits such as health and dental insurance too, which is a great bonus to their already 6 figure salary.

I will admit that professors add more value to our society than athletes, for sure. But you cannot discredit that sports still do add happiness to many peoples' lives, and you cannot discredit the fact that you have to spend money to make money- and if such athletes weren't paid such a high salary they would be playing in another country where we wouldn't be reaping in the tax revenue.
mAJOR tOM

Down with football and all assocated crap ball games
kevin Whitehead <kevinwhitehead@btinternet.com>
Corby, Northamptonshire United Kingdom

In Response to Major Tom:

No, Bubbah, it's sports fans and jocks who are the real parasites on society.

It's scumbags who destroy science and art projects in our schools and who bully the good students around, you are the parasites, and you are what's wrong with humanity!

It's the PE coaches who have students expelled if the fail to climb a rope in the gym, even though they're passing all their academic subjects, these PE coaches are parasites sucking on the educational system.

When I was in high school, my so-called "science" teacher was also the football coach, who was too fucking busy coaching his team of preferentially lobotomized baboons, so instead, he would set up a movie projector and leave the class room, and we would be sitting in the dark watching stupid cartoons, when I wanted to learn science. He was a parasite sucking away education in favor of sports.

When I was 17 years old, I was beaten and raped by an older man, and this was back in the late 1960s when nobody believed a guy could get raped. So, no psychological help was available back then.

I've been mentally and emotionally damaged for life because of this, and have recently been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

No, I'm not what's wrong with society, I'm what's right with humanity.

I wanted desperately to complete my education in science and math so that I could have had a decent career.

But NNNNNOOOOOOO!!!

My life got all fucked up by drooling morons like you.

It's all of you sports fans and jocks who are the parasites and what's wrong with this country.

A college professor who teaches physics at a university gets paid between $80 thousand to $120 thousand dollars per year, while some drooling moron gets paid $5 million dollars per year just for kicking a football around.

They are the real parasites.

So, you may SUCK ON THAT!
Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Typical sports fan - "OH HURR LETS HIT A BALL AND RUN AROUND AND STUFF" Me exercising "*insert philosophical thoughts here*"
Ben
West Chester, PA USA

This site is amazing. As I type this the stupid March Madness BB is on..... Talk about cave men mentality- janeanne
janeanne <janej57@hotmail.com>
Kershaw, sc USA

This world is completely unbalanced. Based on the decisions on many schools have made, it seems that they care more about sports than academics or music. Music can improve a student's academic grade. Sports DON'T. You can play music for your entire life, and very little injuries are ever found. Point made? I think so.
Natalie Caboodles

FUCK YEAH.
Fiona jean <fionajeanonline@gmail.com>

I've got a great idea! :) Why don't the two of you bring your verbal fisticuff into the forum and continue your insults there. I could make a few comments by way of serving as a sort of referee. It would be entertaining! (grinning devil face smilie)
Earl

That's right, people like me PAY for you to just do nothing. And I fight that pathetic. You're just a waste of space.

I propose a challenge: go for one week, just ONE WEEK, without passing judgement and and being an angry little bitch with a stick up your ass. Oh that's right, you can't. Because you're just a bitter old man with a shitty life so you think it's alright to put down others simply because it makes you feel better.

And I don't want to hear about how you were bullied in the past. Everybody goes through rough times. Some people still manage to be decent human beings, and some people end up complete douchebag good for nothing pieces of shit like yourself.
MAJOR TOM

Hello, fatty. Let me just say that YOU are the prime example of what's wrong with America, not me. You TAKE and TAKE and TAKE and are a leech on our system. You are taking much more than you are giving to our country, and to the world for that matter. People like me PAY
major tom

Oh, and another thing, Tiny Tim . . .

My complaint about America, is not so much the country itself, but with the Republican Christard Funny-mentalists who want to control everything in America.

These bed wetting ignoramuses in the Republican party are against science education in our schools and want to insert their Creationist fairy tales into school science textbooks.

There's not a dry pair of pants among them!

Without a good science education in our schools, America is not going to be able to compete with other countries overseas when it comes to science and technology.

High school students in other countries are way ahead of American high school students when it come to science, math, and reading skills.

Yeah! "major tom" without capital letters!

You're a prime example of the failing school system.

Go fold yourself a paper football, and shove it up your ass!

Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

In response to major tom, or is that Tiny Tim?

By the way . . . proper names should be capitalized. Go back to grade school, ya MORON!!!

Gee! I just love it when uneducated ignoramuses come in here to criticize me!

Anyway . . . . .

NO! My complaint was that during the Valentines party on the ground floor lobby, was that, the guy cutting the cake was serving larger pieces to the Christians and smaller slices to the non-believers.

I actually didn't know about this until a lady friend of mine told me about it when she returned to the table.

I don't give a damn about the cake!

It could have just as easily have been something else other than cake. Fuck the cake!

He was violating building policy by discriminating against us non-believers.

And as for my complaining against America, well, I was denied a decent education.

My parents were tax payers, and they paid SCHOOL TAXES!!!

So, their taxes paid for books I was not allowed to read, and paid the salary of the gym coach who had me suspended from school for failing to climb a rope, even though I was passing in all my academic subjects.

I was unable to climb the stupid rope due to a crippled up left knee, the result of being in car accident!

So, you may go fuck yourself, and go suck your preacher's cock!

Fat Man - AKA -Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

He does seem to attract attention. :|

"Ground control to Major Tom ... ground control to Major Tom ... take your protein pills and put your helmet on ..."
* thumbs up * :)
Earl

i lurked your forums for a bit. it seems like that fat guy has something stuck up his ass. he complains about how much he hates the us government, but collects free money from them. thats just one of many things that makes him an irrational person.

also, i found it funny how he complained he wasnt given enough cake. leave it to the fat guy to complain about how much unhealthy food hes getting, especially when its free.
major tom

So, why don't you tell us why. Are you afraid? At least it would alleviate the boredom.
Earl

This may be the biggest waste of space on the web.
bret <bret@yagervideo.com>
St Joseph, MO USA

Sounds like a mandatory "sports only" P.E. class. Just the right way to promote physical fitness! (sarcasm)
Earl

Sports = "get picked last; be given the most boring painful position; an hour of pain and humiliation"

Arthur Samuels <arthur.samuels@gmail.com>
Kirkland, WA USA

Yay! People who actually feel the way I do! Thank you for uplifting me. I agree with so many posts, it's crazy. I have no idea why sports are looked up to at school the way they are. I'm an art person. It would be nice for a change if people looked up to the artsy people, but it doesn't work that way. We're just bigger people I guess because we don't push what we love onto other people. I'm not trying to say artsy people are better than sport fans. But I do think that we are better than sports obsessed freaks. That doesn't sound TOO self centered does it? Anyway, great website! I love it! Sports ruined my childhood. I hate them.

- Laura
laura <girzkupkake@yahoo.com>
Tacoma, WA USA

Hi, Christopher! :) You'd be more than welcome to post in the forum again.

Best wishes,
Earl

everyone who plays and watches sports should be put against a wall and shot and killed
christopher <chris.wibberley@blueyonder.co.uk>

In the beginning, I gave up watching wrestling for Lent. Then came the time to give up watching television all together. Even since then, I've never look back. I felt better. Honestly, if you look at the financial business side of professional sports, that's where it is ugly. Seriously, the monetary value of a player's contract is worth more than the player playing the game. Thus, taking away the integrity and respect of the sport itself. Even boxing also falls victim to the dark side of financial business. Look what happened to Joe Frazier. Unlike individualize sport such as bowling, billiards e.g. the player wins the prize money rather than signing contracts for money.

There's my two cents.
Rocky

Sports is put to High of a pedestal!!!
George <aerobic34@aol.com>
Opelousas, LA United States

ppl call me 3ass b/c imma fatass, a jackass, and a dumbass. search deep into your heart, you know it to be true.
Fat Man (aka 3ass)

Who Dat
Who cares dumbass.
Jack Wise <yzz@att.net>
Natchez, MS USA

I love your site, especially this time of year with the football, US championships and all.
Linda Goode <linda@itzsoeasy.com>
atlanta, ga USA

Hello Earl:

Yeah! I just went to the website link you had posted, and read the article by Dave Raith.

Then I posted the following in response to said article.

====================

Bg Fat Heretic says:
December 26, 2011 at 6:12 am

OK Dave, you nave!

Let's see if I understand this correctly.

You say, that the students who excelled academically in school chose their rout, and you're implying that they deserve to get bullied around because of the choice they made.

Gee! I thought America was suppose to be a free country where we can choose what career path we wish to follow, whether it be a career in science or a career in sports.

But no, to you anyone who doesn't choose the path of sports deserves to get bullied around.

Sorry, but beating up on those who are physically smaller and weaker does not make you a real man. That only makes you a coward. I'll just bet, if you were to encounter someone who is much bigger and stronger than you are, you would probably wet your pants!

No, you were simply jealous of the students who excelled academically because you're just a bed wetting ignoramus with shit for brains and an IQ that is exceeded by your shoe size.

So, you bullied some of the students around because they made the choice of studying science and math instead of getting into sports.

Yeah, like . . . . .

SCIENCE AND MATH, BAAAAAAAAAD!!!

FOOTBALL GOOOOOOOOOD!!!

Go crawl back into your cave, ALLY OOP!

====================

Later on, I shall go back to that piece of shit website to see if there are any further responses.

Fat Man - AKA - Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Fitman2, I'm guessing you won't be returning here again; but just in case you do, I've copied and pasted a message for you (or anyone else who'd be interested) to read from the webpage http://freelinemediaorlando.com/just-the-truth-from-an-alpha-male-daves-take-on-bullying/. I could almost disregard this message (written by a Dave Raith) as a parody, but I'm afraid it's not. The sentiment expressed in this message should explain to you why this website even exists.

[quote]Wah wah wah.
That s the sound of the whiny Geeks who, after being out of high school for 10-plus years, still cry about the unfair treatment they got. OK, so you got picked on, maybe bullied. But you chose your route and those of us who were jocks chose ours.
Being a jock s not easy I should know. But you don t hear us whining because we were jocks.
Geeks have chess practice. We had football, wrestling, weightlifting. I ve never known a wimpy geek to pull a hamstring or get a concussion from a checkmate. When we play a game, we have hours of blood, sweat and tears preparing for it.
Geeks? They study algebra and Quantum Physics.
Now that we re starting on this, it s probably harder being a jock. Practice, weight lifting and we have the possible stress of letting down our team and our school if we lose a game. I ve never seen a stadium or bleachers filled for a school chess match. The only person a geek lets down is himself.
Dude grow a pair. Quit whining. You re not in high school anymore. You took the easy route and got good grades, probably never broke a bone or got a D on a test. So pick up a dumbbell and put some muscles on.
Wimps.
If you get bullied in school, it s generally because of your decision on what you do and who you hang out with. I chose to be a jock.
But I was also a choirboy. Now, tradition tells you that jocks rule the school. They re the winners of popularity contests, everyone knows them, most people like them because of their status and want to be around them just to say they re associated with them.
Choirboys, however, are usually the students who get made fun of, who stay after school to sing Christmas carols and put on concerts to raise money for singing competitions.
But this choir boy was never bullied, I ll tell you that much. I chose to be assertive. I spent hours lifting weights, boxing, sweating, and also spent hours in choir practice.
I carved my path through a mountain with a hammer and chisel, and in turn I wasn t a victim.
Bullying victims are victims of their own laziness, of their own fear. Victims allow themselves to become victims because they fail to assert themselves.
Now granted, some kids are naturally smaller than others. But no one is stopping the small guys from picking up a weight! Don t chose to take the easy, pain-free way, with no sweat. The opportunities are there, you just have to pick what you want. If you want to be popular and good at sports, all it takes is practice.
If you d rather do your algebra homework or play Magic The Gathering and Dungeons and Dragons, that s your choice. But you make the decision as to your path through school. No one is stopping you from playing football, or wrestling, or whatever it is you want nobody except you, that is.
Make your choice, but it s time for you to stop blaming others because you weren t popular.
Quit your crying and pick up a damn football. Start sweating. Work out. Get a sixpack and ask a girl out. Seize the day.
Take the bull by the damn horns.
It s all on you.
Earl

In response to FitShit2:

[quote="Fitman2"]People like Fat Man are the problem with this country, not religion or sports, as he suggests.[/quote]

Sorry, JIMBO, buts sports and religion are a big problem in this country.

Normally, I don't care what religion someone is, as long as they don't force their beliefs on other people. But we have right-wing politicians who wish to insert Creationism into school science textbooks. I have a real problem with that!!! Too many students are appallingly ignorant of science, and the future of our country is in danger because of it. American students score much lower in science, and in reading and math skills than students overseas.

And yes, sports is also a big problem.

Again, normally I wouldn't care if some people like sports, if only sports fans would just enjoy their games without forcing their obsession with sports on other people who don't care for sports. OK???

And again, there is way too much emphases on sports in our schools at the expense of academics. When I was in high school, my science teacher was also the football coach, and he was too busy coaching his team or pre-frontally lobotomized baboons, so instead, he would set up the movie projector and go out of the classroom to coach his team, while we were left sitting in the dark, watching stupid cartoons, when I wanted to study science.

So, I was denied a decent education.

[quote="Fitman2"]If everybody in this country actually WORKED, our economy would be so much better. And sports are a huge industry and generate lots of tax revenue, and are therefore beneficial to the economy.[/quote]

Yeah, I guess since I wasn't allowed to get a decent education, then I guess I just have to settle for bagging groceries at minimum wadge for the rest of my life while some drooling moron makes millions of dollars every year just kicking a football around.

My mother taught me how to read before I even started school, and when I was only in the 3rd grade I could already read at high school and adult level, and of course, science was my favorite subject.

In grade school I had some teachers who were really Gung-Ho when it came to sports. I got suspended from school by the PE coach because I failed to climb a rope in the gymnasium. Never mind that I had a crippled up left knee due to having been in a car accident, and never mind that I was passing all my other academic subjects. Oh no! In the school I attended, sports was more important.

Then I got into an argument with another teacher over an Astronomy book that he would not allow me to check out from the school library. He dragged me out into the hallway, and bashed my head against the corner of a concrete block wall. The following year, that teacher was fired, but the damage was done. Due to the severe concision, I would have headaches and dizzy spells which gradually became less intense during my teenage years. Because of the head trauma, I also suffered emotional and mental problems.

So, yes, sports is a real problem in our schools. Sorry 'bout that!!!

[quote="Fitman2"]For example, he consistently speaks about how much he hates America, all the while this hated country gives him free money.[/quote]

Hey! You sports fans should be very happy that I'm only getting a lousy measly little $650 dollars per month in chump change! Just think, if I had been able to finish my education, I could now be teaching Astronomy or Physics in a University, and then, I would now be getting paid somewhere between $80,000 to $120,000 per year.

But, thanks to me getting my head bashed up against a brick wall, and having been beaten and raped by an older man when I was 17 years old while spending 3 weeks in a state hospital, and getting all fucked up in the head, and having to settle for a small disability pension, well . . .

. . . just think. Instead of making $100,000 dollars per year teaching in college, by allowing me to have my little $650 dollars in chump change, that $100,000 dollars that I would otherwise have made . . .

. . . well . . . that goes to buy a brand new Hummer to be given away FREE to some drooling imbecile who kicks a football around.

So, by getting a lousy little $650 dollars per month, over the years, I must have bought at least 10 brand new Hummer to be given away FREE to professional rapists!

Now, doesn't that make you happy?

Yeah! You're damn straight I hate my fucking country, after having been denied a decent education, and having been bullied around, beaten, and raped!

[quote="Fitman2"]But lazy assholes like Fat Man are the problem, as they take more than they give in.[/quote]

I use to work on oil paintings. I had hopes of being able to sell some of my painting to make some money, and art is a contribution to society, even more so than sports.

But, back in 2001, when I was living in a two bed room apartment, my room mate had his second stroke. It was a real struggle trying to take care of him. As a result of his stroke, he suffered severe memory loss. He didn't know what planet he was on half the time. Then he became paranoid and delusional, and even violent. Yeah, he became a real tyrant. Then one evening he came into my room swinging a machete, and he fractured my left wrist, struck me on my right arms, as as I was going out of the room, he struck me in the back of my head, causing even more head trauma. I now have lousy coordination and balance because if it, and it has left me feeling weak and wobbly, and at risk of falling.

Anyway . . .

After I had been stuck by the machete in three places on my body before I was able to escape, I went down the stairs, out of the apartment building, leaving a trail of blood behind me, and to the corner to a pay phone and dialed 911.

A fire engine, an ambulance, and two police cars arrived on the scene. As I was being strapped down to the gurney, and being lifted into the ambulance, I could see a police officer going into the building with a shotgun.

I was taken to the hospital where I spent three days, and my ex-room-mate was hauled off to the slammer for nine months.

I underwent surgery on my left wrist, and woke up with a cast on my arm, and a stainless steel pin in my wrist. I was in a Hell of a lot of pain! After three weeks, the cast was removed and the steel pin taken out.

But now, my left hand is all crippled up, and will be for the rest of my life. I use to play the guitar, but now, I can't anymore, and I can't even go back to working on my oil paintings, because my left hand is so fucked up! I can just barely sign my name to documents.

So, that's just one more thing taken away from me over the years.

In the meantime, FitShit2 . . . . .

YOU CAN JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!


Fat Man - AKA -Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

[quote="Fitman2"]Check my IP address and match it up with Fitman's. The first post was on my laptop from his university. He and I are back in our home town now, so this IP address will be from there. I'm certain he's posted in both areas.[/quote]
I don't know if it's even possible to check the IP address of a visitor who leaves a message in the Guestbook. Perhaps there is a way, but I wouldn't know what it is.

[quote="Fitman2"]I really am his younger brother man.[/quote]
I'll take your word for it. Somehow your second message here in the Guestbook has a convincing ring to it.

[quote="Fitman2"]He told me he's done with this website due to the stupidity that he encounters here.[/quote]
That's okay. This website doesn't exactly have the widest appeal. It's just an isolated corner in the Internet universe. :)

[quote="Fitman2"]He DOES respect you, Earl, ... [/quote]Thanks for telling me that. Seriously. I respect him. As you may already know, we actually agree on a number of issues; and he's shown maturity by exercising restraint in dealing with Fat Man. At least by a certain point in the forum exchanges. And I respect you for being civil.

[quote="Fitman2"]... but it's Fat Man's absolute stupidity that makes him not want to be around this site anymore. I'm quoting him right here "I feel dumber having read some of the things Fat Man has posted." And from what I've read, I have to agree. For example, he consistently speaks about how much he hates America, all the while this hated country gives him free money. If he really hates America, he should move to the Middle East and see how much better it is.[/quote]
Since Fat Man seems to attract a lot of attention to this otherwise obscure website (albeit in the form of negative responses), the site Admin and the forum Admin have decided to change the name of this website. The first choice -- "QuotationsFromChairmanFatMan.org" -- was considered to be too long; so, they decided upon the shorter "FatManSpeaketh.com." Heh, just kiddin'. :mrgreen:

[quote="Fitman2"]People like Fat Man are the problem with this country, not religion or sports, as he suggests.[/quote]
This country, like just about every other one, has many problems. This has always been and probably shall always be true.

[quote="Fitman2"]If everybody in this country actually WORKED, our economy would be so much better. And sports are a huge industry and generate lots of tax revenue, and are therefore beneficial to the economy.[/quote]
I certainly don't deny that sports are a source of a lot of tax revenue. Most of a country's wealth exists not in the form of natural resources, but is created by business enterprise. At least that's my uninformed opinion.

[quote="Fitman2"]But lazy assholes like Fat Man are the problem, as they take more than they give in.[/quote]
I'm afraid people receiving public assistance are not the main cause of our current economic troubles, which really scare me at times. Fat Man's disability is hardly a drop in the bucket. I know next to nothing about economics and have even given up on politics, but the economic mess we're in seems to have been caused by irresponsible policies of certain large financial institutions and runaway spending by our federal government. IMHO, the Iraqi war (which, I'm afraid, may turn out to be another overseas waste of lives and federal tax dollars) doesn't seem to have helped. Let's hope Washington does SOMETHING to inspire confidence on Wall Street and does whatever needs to be done to bring the economy back to life.

Here's season's greetings and a Happy New Year to you and your brother. Tell him I said hi. Good luck to you both.
Earl

Check my IP address and match it up with Fitman's. The first post was on my laptop from his university. He and I are back in our home town now, so this IP address will be from there. I'm certain he's posted in both areas. I really am his younger brother man.
He told me he's done with this website due to the stupidity that he encounters here. He DOES respect you, Earl, but it's Fat Man's absolute stupidity that makes him not want to be around this site anymore. I'm quoting him right here "I feel dumber having read some of the things Fat Man has posted." And from what I've read, I have to agree. For example, he consistently speaks about how much he hates America, all the while this hated country gives him free money. If he really hates America, he should move to the Middle East and see how much better it is.
People like Fat Man are the problem with this country, not religion or sports, as he suggests. If everybody in this country actually WORKED, our economy would be so much better. And sports are a huge industry and generate lots of tax revenue, and are therefore beneficial to the economy. But lazy assholes like Fat Man are the problem, as they take more than they give in.
Fitman2

the anti-sports resistance claims responsibility -break-

http://imgur.com/gallery/4wPhk

another blow struck for freedom!
ASR Political Officer

Well, we haven't heard from Fit Man in the forum; therefore, it's safe to assume that "Fitman2" is a fraud. It's perfectly reasonable to doubt he's even a football player. Perhaps HE'S the nerd without a life. (When I was in high school decades ago, I wasn't a nerd, what with poor study habits and all. :-) )
Earl

By the way, Fitman2, Fit Man and I got along just fine because both of us were willing to be reasonable and listen to the other. In other words, we actually communicated instead of engaging in flaming, which is so depressingly common online. In fact, I have a high opinion of him. (Does that surprise you?) If you really are who you say you are, we'll be hearing from Fit Man soon (in the forum, that is). If not, ...
Earl

Aw, come on, kid. Are you really Fit Man's brother? He didn't mention having one. If you're really Fit Man's brother, ask him to post in the forum now to vouch for your genuineness; that way, we'll know you're not fake. Otherwise, we'll be forced to assume you're just playing a hoax. (It's no big deal; I've done it before, too. :-) ) At this point without confirmation, we have no reason to believe you're even a football player. You could be lying about that, too. I'm not sayint you are lying; I'm just saying we need some verification.

I admit the website has an "in your face" attitude (surprised that I would say that?), but I didn't create it. I don't even like the name "sportssuck." I'm not a hater. How about you? You'd be more than welcome to register for the forum and post there. I'm fair-minded enough. You could be specific in your objections to this website, as opposed to just a broad rant. It would be interesting. You'd even have the opportunity to bash Fat Man. Come on, what do you say? ;)
Earl

This is Fit Man's little brother. He was talking to me about this site, especially about Fat Man. My brother may have been a little too tolerant of Fat Man's rude and disrespectful demeanor, but the way Fat Man treated my brother disgusts me. Even though I'm Fit Man's little brother, I'm still big and strong. I am 6'2" and 210 lbs of all muscle. I'm also captain of the high school football team. Oh, and I'm not "dumb jock". I have a 3.99 GPA (got a B+ in a mandatory art class). I bet that's better than any of you nerds ever did in high school. I've browsed the forums and see that Fat Man is a dropout, yet he tries to claim intellectual superiority. As if! Fat Man is a joke.
Anyways, I'm going to hang out with my 10/10 girlfriend now to celebrate the end of finals for the semester. Have fun staying in while I go out and have a fun evening and actually do something with my life other than sit at a computer screen and complain about sports.
Fitman2

Lol, I didn't even get told about this site, I just found it. Well, It has certainly brightened my hopes, because 5 minutes ago I though I was alone.
Someone Smart

I apologize for being late in my response to the controversy below concerning Robbin. I agree with HugeFan. Divorce is a serious concern. People get divorced for trivial reasons. Regarding sports, I have a "live and let live" attitude. I have no problem with her son watching sports on TV. Personal preferences should be respected. The problem is when personal preferences are not respected. That's been a problem with the sports culture, specifically the negative attitude towards boys who have no interest in sports. I don't believe in being intolerant because more than a few "on the other side" are intolerant. I won't lower myself to their level. If a had a teenage son who wanted to play football in high school, I would support him. However, I would be concerned about the coaching philosophy of the football coaches at his high school; and I would be concerned about the possibility of my son developing the sort of cliquish attitude that seems to be so common in high-school football in the U.S. But if he had strong moral convictions, I would feel confident that he would not betray them. Well, actually, I'd still be wary ...
Earl

I read some of the comments on this site and the most entertaining thing is when the thread is lowered by vitriole from jocks (so called). I do not play video games. I go to the gym, I take care of myself and I have dated women that used to date jocks. The comments are always the same; Neolithic mental processes combined with sub standard sexual performance. I guess all that staring at man ass in the shower is enough?. Jocks/Sports Fans; you're all the same and the franchise owners see you as cattle.
Ryan
Victoria, BC Canada

This site sums it up. I wish I owned a sports franchise so I could make money off these morons. This would make me feel a little better about it. Little being relative. I HATE SPORTS and the FANS. The ones that smoke are the WORST. Breathe in death while watching some overpaid ape running/skating/punching/throwing. Darwin would be vexed.
Ryan
Victoria , BC Canada

Games should be just that - games. They should be played for fun, for physical fitness, for comradery with friends, for a diversion from the serious things we do in life that deserve the attention that is misguidedly devoted to organized (read: for profit, be that collegiate or professional)sports. We teach our children that there is a out to the requirement to acquiring a balanced education or learning a skill that is useful for a lifetime. Sure, they'll argue that taking the shortcut to success will contribute to the economy, but that works only for a few very lucky, and the benefit to our economy can easily be equated to the kind of help gambling, lotteries, and organized crime affords us. In the end, the vast majority of these duped young people emerge from high schhol and/or college with no marketable skills or abilities, so they become the couch potato fans that the owners of the sport teams hope they will become. There is only so much time in our lives, and a senseless devotion to following what amounts to other people's victories and defeats deprives these people of the time they could be using to develop their own abilities. I pity them all - millions of people wasting their lives by playing into the hands of the corporate sponsors that feed on the lemming-like behavior of the typical sports fan.
Rick <rrempes@gmail.com>
Beavercreek, Ohio USA

i simply cannot believe that SPORTS are taking over our world! it's so retarded!
John Malone

I HATE SPORTS!!!!!! Its not that I am unable to play them. I just can't stand how these idiots are idolized for playing!! Billions of dollars are wasted yearly, while our veterans are left out in the cold. These idiots who play these stupid sports should have go get a real job to support our economy!
Chad M. Wilkins <yellowjackpot@yahoo.com>
Lafayette, In USA

Robbin, obviously I don't know anything about your marriage with your husband, but it sounds to me like there really is not any problem with what he is doing involving sports. I personally don't like sports, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying them. And come on, do you seriously that your husband deserves a divorce because he allows his son to watch sports? Most boys have an interest in sports, are you saying that you don't want your son to be allowed to watch sports? That's taking it way too far. If your son has an interest in sports, you should let him watch them, it's not really going to cause any harm. What will harm him though, is sheltering him from harmless, normal things that most boys his age enjoy. You should be concerned if he is forcing your son to watch sports, but letting him watch them is no crime at all.
HugeFanOfBadReligion
Canada

In response to Robbin from Canada:

Yes, I think you should divorce the bum!

You have become a football widow and now you're losing your son to football.

It's a damn shame how football destroys families!
Big Fat Heretic
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

It is a waste of time... and the stupid screaming, yelling, THOSE GD WHISTLES, etc. Really? Why? You think you won the lottery. Grown men & women acting like children - watching over paid idiots who - in Football like to run around in tights & smack each others asses, men on skates chasing an object ( puck ), men using sticks to hit a ball only to run around the field.. yep that takes talent alright. I have no desire to watch, participate, read, or hear any sport! I ABSOLUTELY DETEST SPORTS ! My husband all of a sudden is watching hockey & football - and allowing our son to watch it! One of the reasons I loved my husband in the first place was because he had ZERO interest in sports... now 10 yrs later...???? I foresee a divorce in our future if he soon don't stop! Another Fort McMurray statistic - gggrrrrr, I am completely riled up right now.. only because they are watching men in tights... unless he's turning gay! lmao
Robbin
Canada

Hi from Italy, tonight "my" national soccer team lost against uruguay and i am soo happy!!!, may that fucking social parasects die for a stroke while playing their stupid game. SPORTS SUCK!!!
NIcolo Gasparotto

I have seen sports make many people unlikeable and extremely arrogant, please, end this war of competition! Fuck sports yo
Randy Savage
Houston, TX U.S.A

Good to see another person on here from Arkansas that has found this site.....at least you live in Ft. Smith Michael, I live in FAYETTEVILLE where people care more about football than anything else...
Mike

Magnificent! Thank you!
Michael Marler <mbabblefish@yahoo.com>
Fort Smith, Ark usa

I hate sports and always have, yet I'm extremely agile, strong, work out, etc. I love to ski, back pack, etc. It's the mass competition and waste of money I hate. I do believe that people do it out of some sort of nostalgia that they don't understand themselves, and just to belong. One gets that message from about age 4: "you'd better like sports . . . or else." I firmly believe that the team sports mentality is at the heart of Western culture (growing since Industrial Revolution). It's reached it's behemoth state in current Late Capitalism, which is in it's death throes, in case you haven't noticed. But the sports spectacles keep people from noticing, they keep people mesmerized, distracted, lost without knowing it, and finding refuge in the fact that they "belong" in the lair of the world of team sports. But getting sports fans to see the truth is like asking the Hitler Youth to burn copies of Mein Kampf. Love the site and THANK YOU!!!!!
Matthew Krueger <mkruger@gmail.com>
Berkeley, CA Alameda

I hate sports and always have, yet I'm extremely agile, strong, work out, etc. I love to ski, back pack, etc. It's the mass competition and waste of money I hate. I do believe that people do it out of some sort of nostalgia that they don't understand themselves, and just to belong. One gets that message from about age 4: "you'd better like sports . . . or else." I firmly believe that the team sports mentality is at the heart of Western culture (growing since Industrial Revolution). It's reached it's behemoth state in current Late Capitalism, which is in it's death throes, in case you haven't noticed. But the sports spectacles keep people from noticing, they keep people mesmerized, distracted, lost without knowing it, and finding refuge in the fact that they "belong" in the lair of the world of team sports. But getting sports fans to see the truth is like asking the Hitler Youth to burn copies of Mein Kampf. Love the site and THANK YOU!!!!!
Matthew Krueger <mkruger@gmail.com>
Berkeley, CA Alameda

I googled "Why do I hate sports?" to see if I was alone in this, and I am not! Yeah!
Beverly <beverly_kaeintz@hotmail.com>
Millbrae, CA

I was pulled up at work today because a pub near me has bought Sky Sports in at a vast expense that could have used on better things like cheaper beer and music. Because I said, fuck this, it's a waste of money, and someone complained, I'm sure my dislike of televised sports could have been the reason. The England football qualifier, the quasi jock rugby matches on Saturday, no way am I going to make myself and my partner suffer these. We're shopping and attending rock pubs instead.
Glenn <glenn.aylett@btinternet.com>
Whitehaven, CA England

FUCK SPORTS!
kareem hinedi <kareem-4th@hotmail.com>

Yeah!!! I'm not alone! I was just wondering how many more football games I will have to endure in this house. It's amazing how everything stops for football. I think of it as the modern gladiator sport.
Stefanie Marschner <marschners@email.phoenix.edu>
Saint Joseph, MICHIGAN United States

Ohhh I am home...I am finally home.....
sigh...it just makes me sad that no matter how many of us are out there(here) it still wont matter. Who appointed morons to run the world anyway?
Nick.C
VIC Australia

I actually had somebody give me crap the other night because I wanted to watch The Emmys instead of football....
Mike

I work at a sports bar and the fans are morons .
Harvey Yandow <yandowharvey3@gmail.com>
PHOENIX, az U.S.A

Love your website!
Geoffrey Bruce <1chef.geoff@gmail.com>
Columbus, OH United States

I played baseball for 16 years, it wasn't until I turned 24 until I critically analyzed my past. All those years consisted of an emotional gamble for a good or bad time. For example, if my team did well and we won the game but I did poorly, it was a so so day. If I personally did well but the team lost, it was also a so so day. The only time it was a great day was when both factors were working simultaneously, which turns out to be less than the odds of winning at the craps table. Little did my parents know the sport they signed me up for would not in fact be a great time for years to come but a struggle towards perfection, competition, winning and loosing. Of those 16 years, I can recall about two dozen memories that stand out in my mind as great times. This is an extraordinary inequality when it comes to enjoyment and defeat. I realize now that the fun aspect of playing was lost long ago, it had turned into a fierce competition (between players and other teams) that the fun which brought me into the sport was now lost and the game now resembled a summer job.

Currently I'm looking at all the other embarrassing traditions and rituals I use to follow like a sheep and wonder what the hell I was thinking: ESPN, team bumper stickers, jerseys, hats, t-shirts, coffee mugs, and on and on... it's insanity!

Another point that really hit home was when I realized all the sports movies I've watched over the years weren't in fact filled with hero underdogs but half happy kids and half miserably disappointed kids: Remember the Titans, Hoosiers, Rudy, etc. They all have a glorified "WE WON WE WON!" attitude but they never look critically at the situation. They never look at the fact the same number of people on the winning side are also on the opposing side, the difference being that the opposing side is now completely miserable and defeated. It reminds me of war to tell you the truth. If the camera is not on the opposing side, who gives a shit about them right? It s really a fucked up way of viewing the world when you think about it.

I ran across a book the other day titled "Everybody Wins: 393 Non-Competitive Games for Young Children," this is what we need in school! Why oh why are we so backwards? :(
Travis <travisvadon@yahoo.com>
Austin, TX United States

Hi everybody, Im from a Sport obsessed Australia, where there is absolutely 0% acceptance, understanding or even knowledge of people not being interested in sport. Sport is huge. Me, I'm not like that all. I prefer more relaxing and enjoyable activities.
Tim

Hi mates of sportssuck! greetings from italy, home of bilions of stupid fucking soccer fans, where the 10/15% of tv programs are dedicated to sports, where a soccer champion is more considered that a nobel prize-winner.

Respect to you all.
Nicolò Gasparotto <sirgaspadapelarol@yahoo.it>
Vercelli, Italy Piemont

Hey Mike!

Yeah, I know what you mean.

The best way to find a date is to check out all the football widows at your local bar during the games.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

However...with football season on the horizon....I can look forward to talking to a lot of georgious women at bars in the next few weeks that are being ignored by there husbands. I always find it HILARIOUS how these idiots are more interested in watching sports on big-screen TV's at bars than paying attention to there obviously bored wives..
Mike

Well, it is that time of the year again here in Fayetteville, AR. Time for the Razorbacks to begin football practice!!!!!...Come watch as the ultra-tough razorbacks go thru their scrimmages, exercises, etc....See what REAL MEN go through. Then, realize that it is 105 degrees outside, and that anybody that is willing to do anything outside in that heat is putting themselves at risk of heat stroke or possibly death. A REAL MAN would stay inside and laugh at the guys trying to prove themeselves in the heatwave inferno that is engulfing middle America right now..
Mike

In response to Stephen from Milwaukee:

I was born in Cloquet Minnesota about 20 miles west of Duluth, and when I was a little kid, my mother and I would ride the train, the Hiawatha Express, from Duluth to Milwaukee to see my grandmother.

Yeah, 95 miles per hour non-stop from Duluth to Milwaukee. Whoooo! Whoooo! Clickity clack, clickity clack along the railroad track all through the night behind the heavy rumbling of the diesel locomotives. Riding a train at night is so freaking cool!!!

I was born in 1951, so I'll be 60 years old this coming September 30.

Milwaukee is a decent sized city with over a half a million people. Isn't there anything else you can do besides sports?

How about taking your kids to a classical music concert, or to a science museum or a planetarium, something educational to stimulate their young minds.

For exercise, well, you can always go out riding bicycles, or put up a basketball hoop in your back yard if sports is what you want to do.

Personally, I hate sports! It sucks!

How about taking your family out to a state park to go camping, fishing, swimming, boating, or hiking on a nature trail. There are plenty of lakes and state parks in the region. I should know, because I once lived in that area.

There are far more interesting things to do besides chasing balls, and your kids will thank you for that.

I can teach a dog to chase a ball.

Fuck that shit!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

I and my kids wanted to just play sports in school but its all about funding for wining champinships so there was no time for us.
Stephen <sloukanis@hotmail.com>
Milwaukee, WI USA

I HATE BASEBALL
Casey
Yjtt, Ririr Rurur

nice site, sports suck


allan blake <allanblake@hushmail.com>

I KNEW IT! Aw, don't worry about it, JIM. It's no big deal. Besides, there's nothing wrong with being a nerd. I consider the word to be a title of honor. I wish that I applied myself academically when I was in high school so that I would have qualified for that honorary designation. I defend nerds just as I defend decent athletes. Besides, the Internet is a wonderful place where you can lose all of your inhibitations (not to mention your temper) and then feel lousy about it afterwards, which I've done about five or six times at more than one forum ever since I as an old fogy discovered the Internet in December of 2008. :lol: So, I've forced myself to lighten up in certain situations. Beats being bitter about it.

Happy 4th!
Earl

..."basement". oops.
JIM

Actually, it's my dad's

jim
JIM

What? My blood pressure's okay. I wasn't even irritated with you. To the contrary, I was amused. I'm delighted that you've shown up. I don't take you seriously, but you're still fun. Sitting behind a computer who knows how many hundreds of miles away, you can say whatever you want because we have no way to check it out. (Frankly, I think you're a nerd living in your mother's basement. Aw, what a worn-out cliche! :lol: ) Like I said, it's fun. In the meantime, I'm quite aware of my own reality: a happily married man who's never gone through a single divorce, a guy who works out at a health club and is slowly but surely building up his physique, the proud father of two young ladies whom you'd undoubtedly lust after (unless you're gay) but whom you'll never meet. Generally content with life. I know I'm not a loser, but what about you? Besides, previously by your own admission you gave me reason to believe that you're just putting us on, anyway. But it really doesn't matter.

All right. That's enough. I want my entertainment, pronto! FAT MAN! Mr. JIM! Now get off your keisters and have at it! I want some laffs.

SEND IN THE CLOWNS! :) :) :) :lol: (I also want smilies.)
Earl

I'll be b'b'cuing with the honey's tomorroo and there ain't gonna be no out of shape, hotdog eating slobs at MY grill-fest. Nothing but smokin', hot, honey-bunnies in hot Summer pants serving BIG JIM his favorite umbrella drinks and thick-azz rib-eye and shrimp kay-bobs! I'll let you go now Earl so you don't get your blood pressure into the red and end up in the ER. See ya 'round losers. LOL

BIG JIM-----WINNING!
JIM

OH NO!

It's Jimbo Bubbah Booey again!

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkk!!!

So, Jimbo!

You think you're some kind of hot shit, because you get TANG from cheap two-bit jersey-chasing penny-sluts who spread their legs apart for a nickle just for the chance to sniff some monkey boy's jock strap!

You're a real pathetic loooooooooooooer!

I seriously doubt that you're getting any TANG!

Not unless it's the powdered instant orange flavored breakfast drink that comes in a jar.

Get your mangy little ass outta here!

Loooooooooooooer!





Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Besides, I don't drink TANG. ;)
Earl

Rats! I see that my attempt to copy and paste images in the Guestbook has failed. Oh, well ... if you want to look at pictures of those guys, do Google image searches on "brian sims" and "esera tuaolo."
Earl

Arrgghhh! It's YOU again. :lol: (Where are those smilies when you really need them?) How many times do I have to tell you, bubbah? I've been happily married FOR OVER 30 YEARS. This issue of the availability of sex is and has been irrelevant to me for all those years. Incidentally, I didn't "get laid" in high school -- which is actually quite fortunate because my future wife, whom I wouldn't meet for seven years after I had graduated from high school, is BETTER than any of the girls who were at my high school and is certainly FAR BETTER than the shallow social climbers who chased after the football players. Having sex with one of those girls, whom I considered to be repulsive human beings, would have been like "getting it on" with Eva Braun or Ilse Koch.

By the way, get a load of these guys.

[img]http://www.outsports.com/ os/ images/ stories/ brian_sims_sideline.jpg[/img]
Brian Sims

[img]http://www.examiner.com/ images/ blog/ EXID21122/ images/ Esera_Tuaolo_ courtesy_of_ Esera_Tuaolo.JPG[/img]
Esera Tuaolo

Sims was a college football player who was one of his team's most valued players. Tuaolo is a former professional player who once played in a Super Bowl game. Guess what? They're both gay. Think about it, won't you? :)

Seriously, I'm glad you showed up. I hope you've been taking good care of yourself and have not allowed yourself to become drunk in certain situations that would be disadvantageous or dangerous to you. (There really is such a word as "disadvantageous." I looked it up in the unabridged.) Things have been quite slow in the forum lately; so, you provide some relief from the boredom.

That reminds me ... Where is your friend with whom you love to exchange messages?

FAT MAN, WHERE ARE YOU? MR. JIM HAS RETURNED! YOU GET YOURSELF OVER TO THE GUESTBOOK RIGHT AWAY, YOU HEAR?
Earl

Good point there, Earl. Still, ya'll don't play no ball, ya'll gonna git no TANG!

BABA-BOOEY!!!!
JIM

Hi, Nora. :) I have no problem with amateur sports. The form of recreation that people choose is their choice and none of my business, unless they try to impose it upon those who aren't interested. Those of us who support this website don't follow a party line. I even disagree with a statement or two on the home page. We have different points of view. My problem with the culture associated with certain popular school sports is when it becomes coercive or intolerant in one way or another. I generally have a "live and let live" attitude. Unfortunately, those who subscribe to a particular mindset don't subscribe to an attitude of tolerance. Best wishes.
Earl

What do all of you think about amateur sports? I know that the biggest complaint here is that sports take away from programs that desperately need funding, but I'm still curious.
Nora Epinephrine

Thanks for the good words Earl. I'm trying to spread this site to a few folks that I've known over the years that think similarly, we'll see what happens. Thanks for the encouraging words and again, thanks for this awesome site. Whether traffic has slowed or not, it sure is a breath of fresh air, in the sweaty jock strap musky odor that is America. HAHA! -- KarateMan
KarateMan
USA

Hey, KarateMan, I hear you! I deeply appreciate your message. I'm not one of the creators of this website; I just serve as a moderator, such as it is. I want to thank you very much for your comments. I'm a retired, happily married man and father of two. One of the stereotypes of men who have no interest in sports is that we're all sedentary, not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm very active physically myself. For several years I've been working with a personal trainer at a local health club on a bodybuilding program three times a week now. I come in once a week to work out by myself, exercising a muscle group not covered by my trainer for the week. On "off days" I usually take an hour-long, brisk, nonstop walk in the neighborhood to help control my blood sugar level. I love bodybuilding! Although I haven't reached my goal yet, I've now got muscular development that I never had when I was a young guy.

The P.E. I was required to take in school from my fourth-grade year through junior high was a waste of time. That was because there was no "physical education" in P.E. It should have been called "M.S." for "Mandatory Sports." There was no training in bodybuilding or exercise programs of any sort. They weren't even mentioned. And they really provided very little instruction in sports themselves. So, when I was required to start taking P.E. ostensibly for the purpose of becoming physically fit (as the boneheaded adults who formulated school policy claimed), I was weak and scrawny. When my very last P.E. class in junior high had mercifully concluded, I was ... weak and scrawny. The real purpose of P.E. was to field football and basketball teams, not to promote physical fitness. This cherished goal could have been accomplished without forcing nonathletic boys to take P.E. Actually, nonathletic boys would have been BETTER OFF if they had NOT been required to take a course that did them no good. I'm sick and tired of all the unthinking people who claim that without sports, everyone would be out of shape. Incidentally, one of our infrequent members (namely, SEAL76) is a Navy SEAL combat veteran who got into shape WITHOUT participating in sports.

I'm not a hater of people; I have a "live and let live" attitude and try to respect others. I even have several close friends who played football in high school. But the overemphasis on sports in our society is truly astounding.

You caught us at a bad time. The forum is next to dead, possibly because of the beginning of the summer.

Again, thanks for your message! It's certainly encouraging to me as a nonathletic guy who's physically active. No, there's nothing wrong with you; and you're certainly not alone.

By the way, congratulations on your own fitness achievements; and I hope you get your black belt in Shotokan Karate soon. :)


Earl

First off, let me say, thank you very much for putting this website up. I haven't had a good solid laugh with a group of individuals that share a common thread in quite a long time. I was beginning to think that something was wrong with me mentally. I'm about to turn 28 years old. I have my black belt in Taekwondo, and have just started my strive for getting my black belt in Shotokan Karate. I have been physically fit for quite a long portion of my life. But I indeed hate televised sports. I hate football/baseball/hockey/golf, and anything else regurgitated on the TV. Hell I don't even watch TV that much anymore because of my rigid workout schedule along with martial arts classes.

I don't understand how a group of beer bellied fatties can sit infront of a TV, and eat thousands of calories of junk food and trans fats, and then muster up the nerve to call us sports haters "jealous" because we weren't good athletes. I just smile back and quote the following "yeah, when was the last time you were in the shower and looked straight down and were actually able to see your penis?" This normally will get a rise out of any half drunken genetic degenerate, which is okay by me, because as much as they spout off diarhea of the mouth about what they think is a logical assertion, when the rubber hits the road, I can out run them, out lift them, and if I actually had to, beat the living shit out of them.

I don't understand why they scream at the TV, frothing at the mouth, when some dumbass with an IQ of a tomato plant couldn't run the oddly shaped ball 10 yards. They (sports watchers) don't even realize that the players on that field don't give 2 shits about the fans, they don't care if they show up to the stands, or watch at home, they make millions and millions of dollars every year. They whore themselves out to whatever team will pay them the most money, just to be involved in simulated car accidents for 2-3 hours per game. I seriously don't understand it, but I can try and draw some correlations, or at least some theory threads as to why all sports fans are stupid and degenerates.

#1 - We as a human species should be combining our efforts and our brains to explore space as a human race, and start to colonize space. We CANNOT do that if we are all working dead end jobs from 9-5 that put us in the grave. There is no more retirement money, our economy is failing. Well I say let it fail, let's start a new currency that rewards individual creative thought on the merit of technology and advancing the human race. NOT how much money you can shove in your pockets so you can sit at home with a giant pile of nachos in your lap and a 64 oz beer mug filled with the most disgusting of substances (i can't stand beer, i'll do some shots of whiskey or have a glass of wine every once in a while, but beer smells like shit, tastes like shit, and is terribly unhealthy for you (anyone)).

I've been an engineer for several software companies and a few big wig companies (wells), and I can tell you that dumbasses are everywhere, there isn't a conference call that I get on with 20+ people where the topic of last nights (insert idiotic sport here)game doens't come up, or is at least mentioned. And then to top it off, a majority of these clowns talk like if they were actually running the team, they could do it better. Again, just mention the penis reference and that usually shuts them up.

#2 - IQ's are lower than whale shit -- Seriously, I believe that 99.5% of the world's population have IQ's that even a dolphin could beat. I am a firm believer that professional sports, paired with commercial TV, stupid sports speculation TV shows (ESPN late night), as well as dancing with teh starts, and american idol, were designed to actually dumb people down. yeah yeah yeah, sounds like a conspiracy theory, but is it really just a theory when we are all harassed everyday at work by having to listen to idiots drone on about some dumbass college basketball team. Dude, who gives a shit, those are KIDS out there, they barely even have chest and armpit hair, why do you care so much about something that doesn't even have a positive outlook on your own little "life."? Pick up a damned book, read and epic novel, do research on the internet about ancient history, go outside and run for a few miles, enjoy some music, pick up a guitar and learn a few songs and get good at it, learn a martial art, do something besides sit on your fat ass all day long, watching your IQ level plummit like the DOW and froth at the mouth and pretend that you are athletic because you "watch" your favorite team play some idiotic game of who can touch the ball the most. I'm no homophobe, but the above sentence certainly sounds homosexual to me.

When you combine the above information, the picture starts to become clear for those of us who know better than to subject our minds to something that will literally make it stop working correctly. It's a giant sham to get us to stop paying attention to what is really going on in this world. Stop paying attention to important politics that actually has an effect on our children's lives. Just like a magician, "oh look at my right hand, while i steal your wallet with my left hand!"

My rant is over... But seriously, thank you for this website! -- KarateMan
KarateMan
USA

The thing I hate most about sports is the way sports fans expect the rest of us to pay for their choice of entertainment through confiscatory taxation. No I do NOT want to build the Rays another baseball stadium...we just spent billions on the nearly new one you have. No I do not want to build the Buccaneers a new football palace. This will be the third one we built to your specifications and we still have not paid off the municipal bonds from the FIRST stadium. No I do not feel a sense of civic pride that a bunch of neanderthals gather weekly to bust heads while their "fans" clog traffic lanes. Seriously, if you are going to buy facilities for ONE entertainement business with tax dollars why not buy facilities for ALL of them (equal application of the law). I am willing to bet that Joe Redner's Mons Venus nudie bar would welcome a multibillion dollar venue be built for his "sport franchise".
mbarnett
SAINT PETERSBURG, fl

Mike, I am very sorry that you had to undergo open heart surgery. You have a greater appreciation than most of the need to not waste time. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in finding complete fulfillment in your life.
Earl

After recovering from open heart surgery....I now have a new lease on life, and that is I do not want to waste it on anything. There is nothing more wasteful than sitting on your ass all afternoon and watching football...
Mike

Hey, kid ... My wife of over 30 years laughed when I read your comment to her about the "kissless" 50-year-old virgins. Laughable stereotyping, a sign of intellectual laziness. Surprise, but I'm not even interested in computer games. I've been working out at a health club for over two years. I've even hired a personal trainer, who works with me on a bodybuilding program. I'm the proud father of two fine young women, both of whom would avoid you like the plague (assuming that you're still not in junior high).

I wonder where you will be when you're 50 years old. You'll probably be single yourself (or divorced, rather). Your apparent shallowness and view of young women as being nothing more than sex objects are bound to wreck havoc in your personal life over the long haul. (Joe Ehrmann would agree with me. Ever hear of him?) Perhaps three failed marriages and three divorces are in your future. I've seen it happen over the years to guys just like you.

Your "hit and run" message here sends a really negative message about you. (See above.) You've already discredited yourself. A secure sports fan wouldn't even bother with this website, being as small and unpopular as it is. But your hysterical reaction only proves how insecure you really are. Seeking to build up your ego by surfing the Internet? If you had the courage of your convictions, you would register and post in the forum of this website. Sincere critics of this website (as opposed to trolls) have been allowed to post their objections for as long as they wanted; and sometimes they've even been defended by members on the other side, so to speak. Perhaps we could have an interesting exchange, even one that would surprise you. But I doubt you have the maturity that would lead you in that direction. Actually, I doubt we'll ever hear from you again.

Earl

You guys are the fucking worst. 50 year old kissless virgins' opinions kind of hold not a lot of weight. Looking at this site just shows the kind of people that hate sports and kind of defeats its own purpose. Lol.
the guy whos fucking your dream woman

God isn't real
hi im atheist

HEY NICK, YOU LITTLE PRICK!!!

DO YOU REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION WE HAD A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT WINDOWS XP AND WINDOWS 7?

I REMEMBER THAT YOU SAID THAT WINDOWS 7 IS A WAY BETTER PROGRAM THAN WINDOWS XP!

NO! WINDOWS 7 ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!

I CAN'T RUN GOOGLE EARTH ON WINDOWS 7 AND I CANT USE MY .GIF ANIMATOR ON WINDOWS 7 AND THE NEW MICROSOFT PAINT SUCKS! IT SHOULD BE CALLED MICROSOFT CRAYONS OR MICROSOFT SCRIBBLE!

ALSO, MY BROWSER LOCKS UP, AND THEN I HAVE TO SHUT DOWN AND REBOOT. THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS I COULD DO WITH WINDOWS XP THAT I CAN'T DO ON WINDOWS 7 ANYMORE!

ANYBODY WHO SAYS WINDOWS 7 IS BETTER THAN WINDOWS XP DESERVES TO DIE A HORRIBLE AND VIOLENT DEATH!

SO, HERE IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO!

I WANT YOU TO GET A GUN, STICK IT IN YOUR MOUTH, PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER, AND BLOW YOUR SHIT-FOR-BRAINS OUT!!!

OK???

FUCK YOU!

NOW GO DIE!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

sport? HAH. a joke i say.
The goverment shuvel out BILLIONS on sport equipment and HUGE halls when the money could be going to staffing and our childrens education.
christopher wales <chriswales13@hotmail.co.uk>
Edinburgh, Scotland

*Ahem*

Gentlemen, please...

...Carry on. ;)
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Hello HugeFanOfBadReligion:

Don't worry about the rape charge.

The worst that could possibly happen would be a slap on the wrist.

Most likely, you'll get a pat on the back from your coach, and a brand new car for free!

Of course it won't be a Hummer, since you're only a high school quarterback.

But you'll probably make it into the pros, then you'll get 10 million dollars every year, and a brand new Hummer every year for free!

And you get to park your Hummer all day long in a 15 minute parking zone, and never have to worry about getting it towed away, and not even a parking ticket.

You will be able to claim every man's sister or daughter as your own private property, and keep her barefoot and chained to the kitchen stove.

It's doesn't get better than than!

Way to go!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey guys, I hope you don't mind, but I won't be able to watch the game with you guys tomorrow. I have to show up at court because I've been charged with rape, but don't worry, I'm the quarterback of my school's football team so there's no way they will actually punish me for it. I'll be sure to record the game anyway so I can watch it later.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Hey ChrisOH!

Yeah, the party is still on!

But since I only live in a single-axle trailer home, I'll have to set up the TV on the patio outside with some lawn chairs. Not enough room for everybody inside. OK?

Hope you won't mind watching the game on an old black & white TV set with a coat hanger antenna.

Yeah! There will be plenty of Buckhorn beer for everyone!

Don't ya worry none about that!

OK?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Why yes, Zak, this site is obviously nothing more than a joke -- I mean, people not liking SPORTS??? Who'd take something like that was true?

By the way, Fat Man, is the party still on at your place this Sunday? Thought we'd turn on the big screen, crack open a few Buckhorn brewskis, and watch them Dawgz kick some ass!

I can't wait! ;)
ChrisOH

Hello again Zak!

I forgot to mention in my previous post, I'm really a moron with a single digit IQ that is less than my shoe size.

In fact, I can't read or write at all!

So, I really didn't type these guestbook posts.

Instead, I use voice recognition software. I speak into a microphone and my computer prints out in text what I'm saying.

I'm able to afford the most sophisticated software because I made millions playing football after dropping out of high school.

Also, I get a brand new Hummer every year, for free!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

OK Zak!

I guess the jig is up!

Yeah, we're really all sports fans here pretending to hate sports. This forum is a satire.

When I was a little kid, I didn't sleep with a Teddy bear. No, Instead, I went to bed hugging a football!

I watch football on TV every Sunday and I get drunk, and really pissed off when my favorite team loses a game.

I use to have a cat, but one day, I got so fucking pissed off after my favorite team lost, I kicked my cat, and the poor thing when flying through my 6th floor window.

Oh! And you should see my collection of football jerseys and posters of famous football players.

Now you know!

Yeah! You got us all pegged!

The jig is up!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Yes, zak, this site is 100% satire. We all love sports, and in fact, every active member of this site gets together on the weekend to watch the game. You'd be impressed by Fat Man's collection of rare sports related articles. I can't see why you would even have to question whether or not we are being sarcastic in the first place, I mean, it's not as if anyone doesn't have an interest in sports.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Life is full of mystery. ;)
Earl

I can't tell if this site is being sarcastic or not, and half of your articles seems like they were taken from the world of Breakfast Club or something.
zak <zakarydavis69@hotmail.com>
Savannah, GA

I finally found some community that agrees with me,the most terrible thing in this society is that so called professional sportsmen are being glorified as heroes.Keep up the good work.
Armagedon
Belgrade, Serbia

Hey Nick!

Remember my earlier post?

In response to Nick:

Quote:
"Hey Fat Man... I'm a catholic and I noticed you're spending a lot of time calling us baby fuckers... I'd just like to say that you're incorrect. . . etc. etc.
End Quote:

Well, check out this YouTube video by Pat Condell.

Catholic morality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStcajxvb_E&NR;=1

But in case you happen to be sitting in your little single-axle trailer home and still using an old text browser with the amber screen . . . well . . .

. . . here is a transcript of said video.

--------------------
While not content with trying to force religion into the European Constitution, now the Catholic church is interfering into British politics. This week a Cardinal and an Arch Bishop have both threatened to with-hold Communion from Catholics who don't vote against abortion. Personally I always thought that it was a shame that the Virgin Mary never had a right to choose because then, we might have been spared 2000 years misery and bloodshed.

But it wasn't to be, and so, for Catholics, abortion has always been a tricky one, especially if you're using a knitting needle in a back alley which is the Catholic Churches preferred method. Because when it comes to Catholic dogma, human life is only scared if you obey the rules. Hence, no condoms for Africa! We don't want those people doing anything immoral, so we're just going to let them die! This is supposedly from an organization founded on the teachings of Jesus.

I'm not sure what teachings exactly, it must be the bit where Jesus talks about living in palaces full of art treasures, protecting pedophiles and collaborating with the Nazis. I haven't actually managed to find that passage myself but I'm sure it must be in the Gospel somewhere. And this is why I wasn't too surprised when I first heard the current Pope is in fact, an ex-Nazi, because to me, the Catholic church and Nazism go together naturally as Bibles and lynch mobs.

If you think of one, it's not difficult to think of the other. Indeed, I often thought that it was just bad luck for the Catholic church that Nazism never became respectable because they put all their chips on the number of the beast, but it just didn't happen for them, although the pope who actually collaborated with Hitler by ignoring the Holocaust is now being made a Saint for his trouble.

That's right! Pious XII is being made a Saint which is going to be the cheekiest thing I have heard since Henry Kissinger had the nerve to accept the Nobel Peace Prize.

I'm not sure why the Catholic church exudes this aura of, not so much evil, as . . . well, actually yes, evil! I think this whole celibacy thing has a whole lot to answer for because there's got to be so much repressed energy there with nowhere to go, I mean, that's bound to cause a few short circuits.

I can understand someone being celibate if that's how they're comfortable, but if you're doing it as a penance, denying your most powerful basic urges because you think that God is going to be pleased with you, well then, I think you should see a doctor, because those inner demons that you're struggling with so manfully are really nothing that a $20 dollar whore couldn't put right in a couple of minutes.

But of course you couldn't do that, because that would be sinful. Much better to insert your penis into a choir boy, and then carry on lecturing dying Africans on sexual abstinence. If any Cardinals or Bishops are watching this video, then let me ask you a question on a theological level. Is it more of a sin for a priest to rape a child while wearing a condom, or not wearing one? How much more evil is it to wear the condom? And would it be OK, i. e. would you keep quiet about it if he went to confession afterwards and truly repented? Until the next time?

The Catholic church has lost so much money on this scandal. They must be down to their last few billion by now. If you were Pope, wouldn't it make sense to try to add up all the sex abuse that's being committed so far, and then add up all the money that's being paid out in compensation? And then you might be able to work out exactly how much the church is paying for, say, one blow job, and whether it might be more economical to buy the same product from a professional sex worker. That way, you will be helping to employ somebody in a legitimate occupation, certainly more legitimate than the one yours is! Your Holiness, Your Eminence, Your Grace.

A little word of advice.

Clean your own stain glass windows before you start cleaning everybody else's and then, people might take you a little bit more seriously.

Peace.
--------------------

Yeah! I like this Pat Condell.

He's good!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Samdaman2 = Earl

APRIL FOOLS! :) LOL
Earl

Come and get me Samdaman2!!!

I may be crippled up with arthritis in my knees and ankles, but I can still kick you fucking ass up between your shoulder blades!

I'll kick your can so hard up into your skull you'll need to take off your hat to have your shoes shined!

I'll let you have it across your teeth with my cane and send your lower jaw swing around to the back of your neck and for the rest of your fucking pathetic little life you'll have to suck mush through a straw!

So, you play football! Eh?

Oh! Like I'm so impressed!

I'm especially impressed by your single digit IQ which is greatly exceeded by your shoe size!

Yeah! Come and get me!

Ya loooooooooooooser!!!



Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

NERDS!!!

So you guys think Samdaman gave you a hard time. Well, I've got news for you. You ain't seen nothin yet. You didn't know Samdaman has a little brother. But I ain't little, ya wimps. I'm a tough homber just like my big brother. I'm goin to the high school where he played football. I have followed in his foot steps. I'm six foot six and I weigh 237 pounds.

I can't believe this fat guy in your forum. My brother woulda cleaned his clock. Michael Savage's my man, and he ain't no wiener. He says all fatties should be put in detention camps and FORCED to slim down. Yeah, that's what should be done to your Fat Man and all the other fatsos.

And this Earl what a joke! Sounds like a sissy Sunday school teacher. He won't cuss, eh? What a wimp and loser! So what if he works out? Me and my big brother are gonna beat him up some day.

And the rest of you sports h8terz here, you re just a bunch of nerds!

Yeah, I'm gonna get you pretties and your little dogs, too! You think you can get away with treating my big brother like that? Well, you're in a world of hurt. You got something comin to you. I'm gonna bring your crummy website down. How dare you fags make fun of sports! I'm gonna get you nerds!

I've got friends. We're gonna crash your lousy website. My brother didn't know about 4chan. Well, I do. And I also know some traitor nerds who will do what they have to do to find out where all you punks live.

And let me tell you, i_like_1981 and Skul, I may be in the US, but I got online friends in the UK. Someday some guys are gonna walk up to you, and the words you'll hear when you're stuffed into the nearest locker or garbage can will be "Samdaman sent us."

Yeah, we're gonna get all you nerds. Be seein' ya.

Just call me
Samdaman2

In response to Nick:

Quote:
"Hey Fat Man... I'm a catholic and I noticed you're spending a lot of time calling us baby fuckers... I'd just like to say that you're incorrect. My little brother is 4 (almost 5) and I'm happy to say he has not been fucked once in his short life!"
End Quote:

Not yet anyway!

If I were you, I'd leave the Catholic Church and you should get your little brother out of there! Like, pronto!!!

Those pedophile priests and butt-banging bishops just can't keep their rockets in their pockets!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Sup you guys?

Haven't talked to you in a while. How's it goin' Fat Man? Earl?

Hey Fat Man... I'm a catholic and I noticed you're spending a lot of time calling us baby fuckers... I'd just like to say that you're incorrect. My little brother is 4 (almost 5) and I'm happy to say he has not been fucked once in his short life! :D

Also, how's it going, the rest of you? I'm doing well, myself. Another fun fact-- I found out that I'm just about the only Nick Trano on the internet. Google image me, the first five images are avatars I've used. Google search, and my facebook and a ton of other stuff comes up. Pretty cool, no? I'm so unique!

TA TA NOW!
Nick Trano
MA United States

Good evening HM from Canada:

Yeah, I know what you mean!

I live in the USA, but I can't be a citizen. I'm considered a non-citizen, or un-American or a Commie because I don't like football.

I'm surprised I haven't wound up in Gitmo yet!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey, from Canada! :D

I'm Canadian and I hate sports... Recently, someone said "You can't be Canadian if you don't like hockey"... I laughed it off, because they are such morons.
HM <purely_skittles@hotmail.com>
Canada

guy, please feel free to register and post in the forum. You have the opportunity to refute any comment with which you disagree. We don't all think alike. Fat Man doesn't speak for all of us on every single issue. He has been contradicted by members on certain occasions and was even temporarily banned once (for a 24-hour period). I probably agree with you on this particular issue, although I've not paid attention to the details of this particular dispute.
Earl

I was reading your labor dispute thread and that Fat Man guy has no idea what he's talking about. He was kindly told tht he wa wrong and resorted to "AKJFAHKJHSFL I DONT FUCKING CARE ALKSJHCL" What an ignorant asswipe! So much for "we aren't intolerant people".
guy

good to know i'm not alone
harold <haroldkimpel@gmail.com>

Just thank god. I now know I'm not the only one who thinks sports are retarded. Almost 95% of my family loves them. It's tough, but I'll make it. :'(
Thanks again for the fantastic website.
Jakob L.

Cool site! I don't hate sports per se (I watch the local pro teams, and I like NFL in general), but I hate sports talk shows and I can't stand guys that are all-sports-all-the-time, and spend almost all of their free time following sports. Unfortunately, that's what about 90% of guys are like here in the armpit of America, otherwise known as Boston. At least I know I'm not the only normal male that isn't completely sports obsessed.
I hate stats junkies
Boston, MA USA

Cool site! I don't hate sports per se (I watch the local pro teams, and I like NFL in general), but I hate sports talk shows and I can't stand guys that are all-sports-all-the-time, and spend almost all of their free time following sports. Unfortunately, that's what about 90% of guys are like here in the armpit of America, otherwise known as Boston. At least I know I'm not the only normal male that isn't completely sports obsessed.
I hate stats junkies
Boston, MA USA

DEATH TO SPORTS! HAIL EDUCATION!
Max Miller <mcmrocks@gmail.com>
Naramata, BC Canada

Hello again Nick, you little prick!

Well, now I have some bad new for you.

Our anti-sports forum is back up and running again. It was down for several hours, but now WE'RE BAAAAAAAAAAAK!!!

So, now you can just sit there in your single axle trailer home, shit in your pants, and cry boo hoo in your Buckhorn!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey Nick you little prick!

You'll be happy to know that our anti-sports forum is down, so we are not able to express our opinions.

Does that make you happy?

Well, I have an opinion I'm going to express right here and right now!

Like all sports fans, you're a scum-bag piece of dog-shit!

Now, go die!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

(continuation of the message below)

Nick, Fat Man thinks you're out to get him. Hence, the distrust.
Earl

Congratulations, Nick.

"(Furries basically are sexually aroused by pictures of animals shaped like humans.)" You're kidding, right? What was the name of that John Lennon song? Oh, yeah ... "Whatever Gets You Through the Night." :lol:
Earl

I've won a victory, my friends. The furries were routed!

This is only the start of a long, hard battle for internet freedom, however.

(Furries basically are sexually aroused by pictures of animals shaped like humans.)

Anyways, good for Fat Man. I honestly don't see why he doesn't trust me. :D

Fat Man, do -you- enjoy flaming me? I enjoyed flaming you. :)
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

fuck the superbowl!!!!!!1
john smith <sjs4g63@hotmail.com>
bogota, nj u.s.a

Good evening Earl:

Yeah, funny you should mention the E-mail exchange between me and Pastor Richard Butler of Aryan Nations.

That was back in 2001, shortly after the 911 incident. I went to his web site out of curiosity, and I could see right away all the anti-Semitic crap and anti-black stuff on his home page.

So, I thought it would be fun to have a little E-mail exchange and I told him what I thought of his web site and what I thought of Aryan Nations.

Yeah, be both actually had fun exchanging insults back and forth. I would call him Pastor Richard Butt-lick instead of Butler.

And then he sent me a FREE subscription to his weekly Newsletter.

I thought it was all bullshit, but what the Hell, it was a free gift.

After he died, I really missed the exchanges we had going back and forth to see who could come up with best insult, the best slam.

Needless to say, try as he might, he couldn't top me!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Another message for Nick (How amusing this is): I think the main reason why you and Fat Man could not become friends at this time is because he's understandably suspicious of you. Also, you need to remember (to borrow a tired, old cliche) that Fat Man's bark is far worse than his bite. He also loves to -rant- and exchange insults. Here's an interesting story about Fat Man that you might enjoy: He once had a series of online exchanges with one of this country's leading white supremacists, Richard Girnt Butler (founder and leader of the Aryan Nations, now deceased). The two of them kept exchanging insults. (Fat Man started it. Now, if it had been me, I never would have even visited Butler's website. Why should I read something that would cause me to become needlessly upset? What am I saying? I've done that, anyway.) This went on and on. Fat Man believes that Butler enjoyed this little contest; and I think he did, too. They both enjoyed it. He actually gave Fat Man a -free- subscription to his online newsletter or whatever it was (which, by the way, is not something that I would have wanted to receive). You see, Fat Man -enjoys- flaming.

I hesitate to ask about "their disgusting fetish" because I know absolutely nothing about the Minecraft Forums, nor am I interested. (Well, you -could- tell me about them if you really wanted.) I'm just an old fogy (but my daughters and wife love me :) ). Well, I look a lot younger than my age; and I work out at a health club. Ironically, I'm beginning to look like a jock; but the rate of progress is rather slow.

"As you can see, that is far more injustice (yet not entirely different from these forums) than I have seen to date." No, Nick, I cannot see because I'm just an old fogy who's out of touch, lol. What specifically is this injustice you're talking about? If it's what I -think- it is, I would have to offer this reaction: -Aw, now you've gone and hurt my feelings.- :cry: (Where are those Smilies when you really need them?) If you want to tell Uncle Earl what these injustices are, please feel free to do so; but only if you -want- to.

Sincerely, stay well; and stay out of trouble!
Earl

I have a feeling that Fat Man would not be particularly open to friendship.

I've been a bit sporadic in my replies, as I've been fighting a (internet srs bsns) battle for freedom from the Furry upper class on the Minecraft Forums. They ban anyone who speaks against their disgusting fetish. As you can see, that is far more injustice (yet not entirely different from these forums) than I have seen to date.


Anyways, Fat Man is also quite fun to converse with. It's just that he needs to tone down his death threats and homo-eroticism a tad.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Okay, I shall stop acting silly and stop the clowning around; and I shall also assume that you're sincere in your claim that you want to cure Fat Man of his hate. That's far, far easier said than done. First of all, he doesn't trust you. I'm not saying whether he should or not; I'm just saying that he doesn't trust you. What Fat Man needs is professional help, which is something neither of us is qualified to give. He was seeing a therapist; but if my memory serves me right, he's no longer doing that. He's also in need of spiritual counsel, which I'm afraid he'd not be willing to accept. I also don't think that you or anyone else has the ability to cure him in a series of messages publicly posted at a website. I just don't think that would work. You're welcome to post here as long as you please, but I don't think you'd get anywhere with him. Perhaps corresponding with him privately via e-mail would provide a better opportunity since neither your ego nor his would be put on the line in a public exchange. (HINT: If you scroll down this guestbook webpage, you'll find Fat Man's e-mail address.) Again, there's the trust factor (or the lack thereof). In other words, you'd have to actually become a -friend- of his to have any hope of changing him. And not only is there a trust problem, but there's also the age difference that might get in the way of forming a friendship. Again, far easier said than done. At least that's my take, my two cents' worth.
Earl

I'm trying to cure Fat Man of his hate, of course.

*Smiles from ear to ear with an angel halo above my head*
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Hey, folks, the question of the hour is this: Nick, why are you trying to speak to Fat Man so much when it seems to get you nowhere? What is your motive? Do you want to be a -friend- to Fat Man *halo instantly appears over your head*, or are you just trying to give him a hard time *two little horns sprout out of your head just above your forehead, and you also instantly find yourself the proud possessor of a forkedeth tail*? Since not much is going on in the forum (Is our forum dying? :( ), I thought that I should offer this profound question for consideration. Well, folks, what IS the answer? Inquiring minds want to know.

Now, Fat Man, I don't want you to feel excluded from this amusing little exercise. Please feel free to answer this vexing question so that we can be sure that there is maximum participation in this thought-provoking exchange.

In other words ... SEND IN THE CLOWNS! I WANNA LAFF!

(Actually, I'm also being serious. I guess that makes me schizophrenic. Why do you think I always talk to myself? As Chucky the doll says (or does he?), "Hidy ho!" (And, no, I don't think he's speaking to a young woman of ill repute.) Bye. :)
Earl

Hey Nick!!!

Blow it out your shawn-gal-la'zay!!!

OK???
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

When I said, 'and why can't you be unreasonable,' I meant, 'and why can't you be -reasonable-'.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And also, why do you assume that people who visit 4Chan drink this 'buckhorn beer' you continuously rant about?

If you want to say a bad brand of beer, say 'natural ice', which is a brand that is actually known to be horrible. If you want to sound hip and edgy and cool (which is why I assume you spend all your time hating other religions) you can call it 'natty ice'.

Happy?

Seriously, why can't we be bros and why can't you be unreasonable Fat Man? I've been remarkably friendly given your intolerance and rude comments.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Fat Man, why do you feel the need to lump me in with 4chan? Because I visit a site I'm part of a hive mind? I find this interesting, that you believe that if I visit 4chan, I think the exact same thoughts, and carry out the exact same actions as all other (millions of) visitors. I'm willing to bet you've only visited /b/, where the point is to be random. (It's in the name, seriously. Are you even trying?) Well thought out posts are there. However, humor is more important. If you read some of the more thought oriented boards such as /lit/ and /tv/ (They even talk about that god-awful show Star Trek. What is the fascination with that show?) I'm even more interested, because you don't seem to think that everyone on -this- site hiveminds.

I also find it interesting that you seem to care so much for 'kids these days' (Also known as straw men... or childen). Yet, at the same time, if you don't like a child, usually because they had a better childhood than yours, or speak to you like an equal, they deserve to die.

I also wonder why you alternate between talking about how clever and smart I am, to other members, and calling me an idiot when you're talking to me directly. What gives there?

You also know that no one cares about this site anymore, and I am staying here out of personal interest, right? The worst damage I've done to your site is to post your rants in rage threads. A rage thread is a thread where you post infuriatingly ignorant things that people say or do. An example is a 'gurrl gaymurr' who thinks she is hardcore when the extent of her experience is COD with a .5 K/D ratio (that's really bad), or you ranting about your computer troubles, which was quite silly in that when offered help, you did the typical old person thing and said, 'You're too young I don't care if you told me the right thing or not go to hell raaaaaaaaaage!!!'

Fat Man, in all honesty, I have rarely initiated any sort of argument with you. Nearly every time, you have insulted me first. Look back on your logs, and search your heart. You know it to be true.

I also wonder why you seem to think Star Trek is superior to football. Star Trek is a sub-par science fiction show that tries to seem deep and thoughtful by making their alien worlds unoriginal and copied from Earth. Football is a game of strategy, Star Trek is a show about terrible acting and pseudoscience. (I was working on a school project, and my father was watching the show. 'WE HAVE TO SLINGSHOT AROUND THE SUN AT WARP TEN TO GO FORWARD IN TIME!' ...you call that good television? I'd almost rather watch football, but there's no bad acting to make fun of in football.

I'd also like to know why you hate sports but not video games. After all, many video game scoring mechanisms are similar to football. K/D is similar to RBI in baseball, average time alive is similar to yards run with the ball (I forget the term) in football. Etc. etc. What are your thoughts on that?

(Also, tell the Imperialist for me, Anime is horrible and North Korea is evil. I'm doing a project on North Korea, and that place is -screwed up-.)

Kthxbai.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I don't think any of the 4chan trolls are interested (at this point in time) in what goes on in the forum of this website. The novelty has worn off.
Earl

Hello Earl:

Yeah, I know Nick had nothing to do with it. He's not smart enough to do a hack job on a web site.

I just though that he would be thrilled by the news of our web sited being down for several hours, so that he and all his zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan could enjoy a good laugh at our expense.

But now, they can piss in their pantaloons and cry boo hoo in their Buckhorn now that our web site is back up again.


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Fat Man, we were just having trouble with the server. Ray checked it out. Nick had nothing to do with it.
Earl

OK, Nick!

Bad news! For you and your zoo-tramp butt-buddies, that is!

But good news for me! HA! HA!

After 7 hours, the forum is finally back up again.

Just though I'd let you know so you can cry boo hoo in your Buckhorn and piss in your pantaloons!

Now, go dunk your head in the toilet three times and only take it out twice!

Another words . . . . .

GO DIE!!!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hey Nick, you low-life sanctimonious scum-bag piece of dog shit!

I believe that you, and all your zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan will be very happy to hear that for the past 5 hours, our anti-sports forum has been down.

We are no longer able to post our opinions!

Dose that make you happy? You piece of shit!!!

Now you and all your butt-buddies can have a real good laugh!

Yeah! Fat Man can't post his political opinions in the OFF Topic sections. I can't post any more science articles on astronomy or on evolution anymore until they fix the problem.

And who knows how long that's going to take! Eh?

So, all those drooling knuckle dragging slack-jawed mouth-breathing retards at 4chan, they can still express their moronic opinions in one-syllable words and in sentences of 5 words or less in their shitty little Kindergarten Romper Room forums.

Yeah! Now only those retarded imbeciles at 4chan and express themselves.

But we, at Sports Suck, we can't express our opinions!

I hope you and all your Nazi butties are real happy!

You all deserve to fucking DIE!

Every football player, every damn jock, deserves to have his own Hummer parked on his neck!!!

And all you redneck trailer trash sports fans deserve to have your balls crushed in a vice and to be beaten to death with sledge hammers to the head.

You got that? JIMBO!

NOW, GO EAT SHIT, THEN CRAWL INTO A SEWER, AND DIE!!!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

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Also, Fat Man, I see you clash with the Imperialist a lot, when you have practically the same beliefs. You hate capitalism and democracy, don't you? I've seen you say as much, or imply.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

So, why isn't it bleeding us dry? By the time I'm your age, Social Security will be bankrupt and useless. Why should I pay into a safety net that will be no help to me?

Also, I see you were on a roll there, almost able to make a post without insulting someone, buuuuuut, you ruined it once you got to drawing. But keep going! You're almost there!

Stay classy, Fat Man.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

In response to Nick:

OK, Nick, I've been rather busy, so now, I have some time to respond to some of your past questions.

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"And also, Fat Man, I see you love going on about the Inquisition... How about we get something from this century?"

OK, here's something from this century.

I could go on and on for hours about all the recent scandals in the Catholic Church concerning all the butt-banging bishops and pedophile priest sexually molesting little children, just for starters.

But it's not just the Catholics, but I'm also aware of protestant ministers doing the same as well.

But getting back to Catholics.

The Pope is against birth control, and against the use of the condom to either prevent unwanted pregnancies, but also to prevent the spread of sexually transmissible diseases.

The Catholic Church is also against developing a vaccine to protect against AIDS.

When the small pox vaccine first came out, the Catholic Church was even against that!

Stem cell research has the potential to be developed as a cure for diabetes and many other genetic disorders, and the Catholic Church is against stem cell research.

So, the Catholic Church is still no friend to science.

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"I also love how you say that kids aren't allowed to study Science in high school when we're actually required to by law."

Oh! Kids will still be allowed to attend science classes alright, but it just won't be pure science anymore.

Here in the state of Texas, our State Board of Education (Indoctrination) last year voted on the textbooks that will be used in our schools for the next 10 years.

But thanks to Don McLeroy and some of the right-wing members of the board, Creationism will be inserted into the science textbooks.

Also, they want to have Thomas Jefferson removed from the history textbooks because he was a Deist and not a Christian. They want to replace Thomas Jefferson with John Calvin, a 16th century religious fanatic who had people tortured to death.

No, I don't hate all Christians.

Copernicus, Galileo, Johannes Kepler, and Isaac Newton were Christians, historical figures who I admire very much.

Isaac Newton, a Lutheran, had once referred to the Catholic Church as "The Great Whore of Babylon" as in the book of Revelations. Yes, Isaac Newton was also a Biblical scholar as well as a great mathematician and scientist.

So, in my reference to "Christards" I'm NOT referring to ALL Christians, but only to those right-wing whack-jobs, like Pat Robertson and his 700 Club, or Jerry Falwell (now deceased) and to that psycho bitch Becky Fischer with her Jesus Camp where children are being indoctrinated and brain washed.

OK, there use to be a nine video series on YouTube all about the Jesus Camp, but they have been removed. DAMN IT!!!

In one of the videos, a brainwashed child being home schooled says he believes that Galileo made the right choice by giving up science for Christ.

No! What actually happened was, that The Roman Catholic Church, the Holy Office, and the Inquisition brought charges of heresy against Galileo, threatened him with torture, interrogated him for many long hours until he broke down and signed a confession recanting his convictions that the earth and all the planets revolved around the sun. At the time, Galileo was an old man, going blind, was unable to defend himself anymore, and he spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

But the kid in the video had been brainwashed into believing that Galileo gave up science for Christ.

Galileo was always a Christian, so, he didn't give up shit! He had it all take away from him!

So, it's these right-wing whack-jobs, like Pat Robertson, and Becky Fischer, etc. etc. these are the ones I call Christards!

OK???

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"Fat Man, are you serious? There are many people who lose a passion for things over the years. For instance, I used to love drawing, and did it all the time. Now, I realised I suck, and I prefer working with ceramics and such things."

Yeah, you suck alright!

First time I have ever agreed with you on anything! Will wonders ever cease???

Anyway . . . . .

Well, I use to do oil paintings and I use to play the guitar. But now I can't anymore because back in July 2001, my left wrist was fractured, so now, my left hand is all crippled up, and I happen to be left handed.

But, even though I can't do those things anymore, I still haven't lost my passion for them.

I still enjoy going to art galleries to look at all kinds of paintings, and I still enjoy listening to classical guitar music.

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"Fat Man, enjoying a different TV show from you doesn't make someone less human. In fact, one could argue that a person who is unable to accept differences between people (one of the basic tenets of humanity) is inhuman."

Oh! I really don't have any problem with people who like TV programs that are different from what I like.

OK, many years ago, there was once a time when I did not actually hate sports.

I neither liked, or disliked sports. I was neutral when it came to sports. I was merely not interested in sports.

I really didn't care one way or the other about sports.

But, during my life, I have known sports fans who thought I was gay, or a fag because I had my own interests other than sports.

In school I was bullied around and beaten because I had no interest in sports.

So, it was sports that taught me how to hate sports. It was some sports fans, and jocks who taught me to hate sports fans and jocks.

And believed me, I learned those lessons well, and have now become a professional hater of sports.

I like to play Chess, but I did not go around beating up on people who didn't like Chess or who said the thought Chess sucks.

I did not go around beating up on people who didn't like classical music or who didn't like art, or who didn't like Astronomy.

No, I never bullied anybody around just simply because they didn't like the same things that I liked. I'm willing to accept the fact that not everybody will like the same thing I like. I really have no problem with that.

So, that's why I say there is something seriously wrong with sports, because many sports fans (perhaps not all) but many of them like to bully people around or beat up on people who simply don't care for sports.

That is how I became prejudice against sports fans and jocks.

It was the sports fans that I have known, and the jocks I have encountered in my school, who fired the first shots in this war.

My parents taught me to never start a fight, but that if someone starts a fight with me, then I have the right to damn well finish it.

There is no such thing as a Chess bully, or an art bully, or a classical music bully, or an Astronomy bully.

But there is sure as Hell plenty of sports bullies!

You see, intellectuals don't physically bully people around, not unless we get bullied around first, then we strike back by verbally tearing you a new one, and to put you in your place.

No, bullying is the sole province of the ignorant and the uneducated.

But now, I'm quite capable of striking back if the need arises.

You see, I have no problem accepting people who are different.

And so, It's the sports fans and the jocks who are unable to accept differences between people (one of the basic tenets of humanity) and therefore, are inhuman!

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"By SS I meant the nazis... Social Security would work too, since they're basically nazis but trying to bleed everyone dry."

Oh! I just love this one!

This has just got to be my most favorite standard old cliché that you right-wing whack-jobs like to use so much.

Yeah! You redneck sports fans, you don't object to some drooling moronic slope-headed, slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, stooped-shouldered, knuckle-dragging baboon with shit-for-brains and a single digit IQ getting paid millions of dollars just for kicking a football around.

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

But you like to come down on someone who is living on a disability pension, someone who's only getting a mere $650 dollars per month in chump change.

If anybody is bleeding us dry, it's these over-paid monkey-boys who are getting millions of dollars just for chasing balls.

And NOT some unfortunate person who's living on a small disability check that barely heeps one alive from one month to the next.

Why don't you just go dunk your head in the toilet three times and only take it out twice!

Of all the idiotic and moronic things you have ever said in the past, this has just got to be the most idiotic, moronic, and imbecilic thing you have ever said yet!!!

So, please do keep coming back.

I want to see some more idiotic and moronic comments spewing forth from your shit for brains.

I'm sure you won't disappoint me!

But in the meantime . . . . .

GO CRAWL INTO A SEWER, EAT SHIT AND DIE, YOU SANCTIMONIOUS SCUM-BAG PIECE OF DOG SHIT!!!

OK???
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Oh, I knew what you meant, Nick. I was just joshin' ya. I knew perfectly well that you meant Schutzstaffel -- or Stinkerschnitzel or whatever.

I used to have a fantasy of what an online battle between Samdaman and Fat Man would be like. I used to wish that Fat Man had discovered this website while Samdaman was still posting before he was finally banned for good (which, incidentally, was before I discovered this website.) (There are still times when I wonder if I could have reasoned with Samdaman in the hope of bringing out another side of his character.) Can't you just picture it now? A flurry of the most vicious insults, replete with big pictures yet. Sort of like the war between Hitler and Stalin. Last year I thought Fat Man would be the victor in such a confrontation, but now I'm not sure that he would be able to withstand Samdaman's formidable abuse. Samdaman has established a -standard- of abuse that I fear will never be surpassed in this forum. Mrs. Earl is of the opinion that such a match between those two would have destroyed the website. Anyway, it would have been a wonder to behold.

Alas, I don't believe you'll be able to change Fat Man's mind on anything. Surely you realize that? Yes, he's capable of making off-the-wall comments. He's even admitted that himself. Oh, well, you meet all sorts of people on the Internet. Don't we, Nick. Board messaging is -so- much fun. :)
Earl

Crap, I keep forgetting...

Stay classy, Fat Man.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I also see that Fat Man spends his time insulting Christian holidays. Seriously, why does he do such things? I have jewish friends, and we don't insult each others' religions. (We agreed that we're the two more civilized ones in the world, heh. (That was a joke)) He also insulted straight people by saying that they can't organize fun, festive events. Honestly, Fat Man... what is your problem with Christians? Did living as a Christian really hurt you that much? Would your life have been so much better if you had to wait a week to get all your gifts instead of getting them all at once? Seriously, stop hating on Christians, Fat Man, it's not hip, it's not edgy, and it's really not cool.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Stay classy, Earl.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Really? Where'd you get that from? I've simply been saying that if a large amount of people enjoy something, there must be a reason for it.

By SS I meant the nazis... Social Security would work too, since they're basically nazis but trying to bleed everyone dry.

Also, you know that 4Chan would have marked Samdaman as a bigger 'faggot' than Fat Man, right? Either way, though, it was just a point because Fat Man is calling a community which hates people who speak stupidly on the internet bad at writing the english language.

Anyways, I'm just responding to Fat Man's personal attacks in (much kinder) kind.

A lot of what he says seems designed to infuriate, which is why I used to be -sure- he was a troll. Read some of his posts from the standpoint of someone who is not a member of your community. Would you honestly believe he isn't simply trying to troll?


Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick wrote: "(After all, samdaman is not correct english, but you still type it out.)

Nick, you silly boy! Of course, we type out our beloved former member's username as "samdaman" instead of "Sam the man" because we -strive- to be accurate in our references; and we show respect for this personage by using the very username that he -chose-. Samdaman, incidentally, was not a 4channer, which truly is ironic because if he had been, all the 4chan trolls would have been absolutely delighted to do his bidding; and he would have derived -much- pleasure from seeing our website under siege. This was one time when samdaman's hatred of nerds failed to pay off.

You also wrote: "Stay classy, SS (Hah! I just noticed that abbreviation is similar to another unpopular group...) You mean Social Security? Or do you mean "steamship" or "supersonic"? Could it possibly be "Sunday School"? I've absolutely -no- idea to what you could possibly be referring.

Aside from that vital issue, Nick, you seem to be obsessed with the question of whether or not something is popular. Popularity doesn't mean a thing, my son. Popularity cannot be used to prove that something is inherently good anymore than unpopularity proves that something is bad. There was a time in this country when the Ku Klux Klan, despite their terrible crimes, was quite popular in the United States. In the year I was born (1950), those who objected to the racial injustice of Jim Crow definitely were -not- popular.

We're delighted that you've derived so much enjoyment from this very small website. Be well and prosper. (I mean that sincerely!)
Earl

I also am amazed that someone as clever as you took as long as you did to notice that HugeFan's story was a joke about cocaine.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And also, I think you should go surf 4chan for a bit. You'll find that they have better grammar than some members of your own board.

Other than, of course, intentional misspellings meant to evoke memories of earlier events on the board. An example would be the meme of threatening to 'backtrace' someone, or 'call the cyber police', or that 'Consequences will NEVER BE THE SAME!' These are all based off of the 'Jessi Slaughter' incident that took place a few months ago, where a young girl posted a video of herself insulting 4chan and swearing and threatening to 'pop a glock in your head and make a brain slushie' (lolWUT?). You should look up Jessi Slaughter, it's rather humorous. In fact (I don't exactly remember) I may have added some content to the ED page on her while the events were still going on.

Anyways, this is much longer than I intended... Basically, most members of 4chan have great grammar and prose, and memes are just used as a sort of in-joke. (After all, samdaman is not correct english, but you still type it out.) And also, calling you out on walls of text or saying TL;DR are merely (effective) ways of trolling (you).

So don't get mad Fat Man. I've been much more polite to you than you have earned, or been to me. Why can't weeee be friieeennnds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc

Stay classy, SS (Hah! I just noticed that abbreviation is similar to another unpopular group...)

Anyways, Stay classy, (name) is going to be my new signature on posts here from now on.

Stay classy, Fat Man.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

My mommy told me to never suck on things strange older men offer me... sorry.

I also find it interesting that you seem to have a serious victim complex (See the E.D article). I was commenting, on your guestbook, about some of the things you said. (Older people in El Paso say the -darndest- things!) But, as you often do, you blew it way out of proportion.

I also find it interesting that you didn't take any notice or respond to anything else that I said. I responded to your inquisition rant, and you had nothing else to say. All the time you brag about your quick wit and ability to 'verbally rip people apart'... but when you're losing a debate, you quickly back down and pretend it didn't happen.

Stay classy Fat Man. If you want to actually start trying instead of going off on nonsensical rants, I'll be waiting.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Oh! By the way Nick . . .

If you are reporting what you see at our forums to all your zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan . . .

Be sure to tell them in short simple sentences of 5 words or less, and use only one-syllable words so they will understand!

Keep it real simple!

OK?
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

In response to Nick.

I was only just a kid in the 4th grade when that threat was made toward me.

Yeah, I did have a lot of "book smarts" when it came to science, being able to read at the adult level when I was only in the 3rd grade.

But I was no expert in law, and at that young age one tends to take almost everything adults say, seriously.

It takes time to develop one's bullshit detector.

After having been lied to by some of my teachers and by a lot of adults, well, after a couple of years, I knew when I was being lied to, and then, I had a fully developed bullshit detector.

But then, I would still get into trouble for calling them on their bullshit!

So, I see you still like to spy on our forums. Eh?

I suppose you report everything you see to all your zoo-tramp butt-buddies over at 4chan!

Well, I really don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell. They're all scum over there, and if you have any association with them, then you too are scum!

So, suck on that!

And choke on it for all I care!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

I also wonder, Fat Man, why with such a quick mind as you tell us you have (And such great wit, as well!), you got into nearly as much trouble as you did. Did you honestly never learn to, once again, pardon my language, B.S your way out of trouble? You were saying that the P.E teacher threatened you with prison, you should have said HELL YES, because as the intelligent (and mature) child you were, you should have been able to see that they could never legally imprison you for such a thing.

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I don't know if that made much sense, the rest of you, Fat Man just... gets to me sometimes.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Post subject: There Must Be Something Seriously Wrong With Sports! Eh?

...Fat Man, are you serious? There are many people who lose a passion for things over the years. For instance, I used to love drawing, and did it all the time. Now, I realised I suck, and I prefer working with ceramics and such things.

Fat Man, enjoying a different TV show from you doesn't make someone less human. In fact, one could argue that a person who is unable to accept differences between people (one of the basic tenets of humanity) is inhuman.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I understand. Please excuse.
Earl

No, I was actually trying to point out that among the (mostly) silent majority of people who dislike sports, there are the vocal minority (Fat Man) who make the group look bad.

Basically, most of you are fine, it's just that some people need to learn their manners. That's what I was trying to convey.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Do you aim to silence "the vocal minority" who "screams their hatred of them"? Do you consider Earl to be one of them? Just curious.
Earl

I was actually doing the latter. Did you notice I said all the 'horrible things' about judaism and catholicism as well?

I know Islam is fine, and it's just that the vocal minority screws it up. Sort of like people who aren't interested in sports, eh? Most people who don't like sports simply don't watch them, the vocal minority screams their hatred of them and idolizes the columbine, which leads to giving a bad name to all people not interested in sports.

Anyways, yeah, Baddy. I'm cool with Islam. (Which doesn't mean I don't laugh at jokes about it occasionally. 'Everybody's a little bit racist...')
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Yes, I'm aware that horses definitely aren't treated that well in horse racing, and I'm sure the stuff that is done to them when they're off the track is a lot less pleasant, however, I'm sure anything overly cruel done to the horses off the track isn't legal either, just like dog fighting isn't legal. But while what happens on the track, what the people see, isn't pleasant to the horses, they aren't killed (other than unintentional accidents of course where the horse would have to be put down afterwords).

I'm definitely not an animal rights activist by any means, and PETA simply annoys me to be honest, but I definitely see something wrong with dog fighting.

Also, concerning this topic of Islam you've introduced by this discussion, are you arguing against Islam, or just using it as an example for Fat Man of why religions other than Catholicism have their flaws but are not entirely bad? I'm not assuming you're doing the former, but just in case, while I have a bit of time, I'll state why Islam is not a bad religion (no pun intended). The people who enforce the things that go against women's rights, the people who kill NATO troops, the people who blow up women and children, the people who force women to cover themselves up in heavy clothing, the people who destroyed the Twin Towers, they don't represent the entire Muslim population, and only make up an extremely insignificant amount of the Islamic population. I know, and am friends with, several Muslims, and they dislike Islamic terrorists just as much as you and I do. They don't have a problem with the women they know who don't wear headdresses, they don't believe NATO troops should be killed, they are completely disgusted by violent acts such as those against women and children, and they are appalled by the 9/11 attacks. And personally, I don't really have much of a problem with the Muslim community centre near Ground Zero, and disagree that it is a victory monument (in fact, there will be a memorial to the victims of the September 11th attacks in the community centre). But don't forget that some of the opposition to the community centre has been from Muslims. Out of the several Muslims I know, all (except for perhaps one) of them are kind, and extremely intelligent people, and they, just like the extremely vast majority of Muslims, are nothing like the ones who commit crimes against humanity.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

And also, Fat Man, I see you love going on about the Inquisition... How about we get something from this century?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I also love how you say that kids aren't allowed to study Science in high school when we're actually required to by law.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I don't need to watch the videos, since I already know what they're going to say. Let me see...

(I also don't have three hours to burn. Believe it or not, although it appeared I was omnipresent on the forums, I was simply popping in at random times throughout the day.)

-Catholics imprisoned Galileo
-Catholics burned jews.
-Catholics burned books.
-Catholics burned people they didn't like.
-Catholics burned people they did like.
-Catholics burned people.
-Catholics invaded the middle east on 9 different occasions.
-Saladin was pretty cool.
-Catholics are the root of all evil and should be removed from this earth because during the middle ages when everyone loved killing each other, they killed slightly more than other powers of the time, possibly, maybe.
-Catholicism has always been a bad thing and never contributed anything to the world but Judaism is clearly A-OK and the right way to go... right, guys? Guys? GUYS!?

Of course, all of this pales in comparison to the Jews inventing the evil art of circumcision... Seriously, they honestly popularized the art of self mutilation, before it was made 'cool' by bands such as My Chemical Romance (cringe).

I honestly don't see why you have to hate the Catholic church. Do you hate jews because of what they're doing to the Palestinians? No, of course not. To be honest, I think that, as with sports, you are simply looking for someone to hate. After all, why accept your own flaws when other people are -so much- worse, right?

Do you hate Muslims because the middle east has a bad track record for womens' rights? Muslims are killing American troops in the Middle East. Muslims are blowing up women and children. Muslims are forcing women to cover themselves in heavy clothing in the high temperatures of a desert. Muslims blew up the twin towers and are trying to make a mosque there as a victory monument. Of course you don't... the people who bullied you weren't Muslims... (Like the majority of America). Why would you hate Muslims? Sure, they did bad things, but they're not -Christians-!

I also find it funny how, a couple days ago, I read a (sad) story about a football player who was put in a concentration camp. Even though you spend all your time writing out your violent fantasies of killing them in brutal ways, you were quick to backpedal there. Even though you idolize the monsters who killed students at the columbine, (How can you defend them? They tried to detonate pipe bombs in a god damn school!) when Earl shares a story like that, you pretend to care. Stop lying to yourself. Either hate everyone and be honest about it, or stop with your random rants at everyone in the world. Apparently you hate Catholics, Republicans, Americans, Gays, Liberals, the entire world. Of course, you still accept the money that the country you so hate gives you...

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Anyways, Earl--

Don't worry, I forgive you. I wasn't railing against you in particular, as I said, I was seeing a lot of hate against him on these forums. It's just that I personally believe he's done well for himself with what he's been given. Contrary to popular belief, a child has a less than one in 250,000 (or something like that, I forget the exact number) chance to become a pro football player. So, although Fat Man loves to believe that skills in sports are the key to a good life in America, it's actually the opposite. You can be good at sports and only sports, and then not have the right lucky breaks and end up working in some dead end job the rest of your life.

(I also found a better way to write comments without having to do word. If you look in the bottom right corner of the text box, it can be resized.)


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Baddy, yes, it was a dramatic example. However, they do drug those horses up a lot. (Personally, I don't care. They're animals. If I like my pets, that's my own choice, but if someone wants to shoot a deer and eat it, they can go ahead.) So, the basic principles of forcing animals to do things against their own interests is the same. One may be more brutal than the other, of course.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

In response to Nick:

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And also, Fat Man, I love how you enjoy insulting Catholics. Clearly, since a couple priests did a horrible thing, the Catholic religion must be horrible.
[End Quote]

That just shows how little you really know.

It wasn't just a couple of priests doing some horrible things.

The Catholic Church has a long and bloody history. It all has something to do with a little thingy they had going on for over 700 years.

That little itty bitty thingy I'm referring to was known as The Inquisition.

Here are some links to 20 YouTube videos, all about the Inquisition.

Careful! You just might learn something!

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The Inquisition E01P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDNapxgMys&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcK-JCcwCk&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pHQwe061NU&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC96gUBV5YM&feature;=related
The Inquisition E01P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWT5dpBWgEo&feature;=related
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The Inquisition E02P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVlEgduv2A4&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnQO5TMZPHc&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Mjrhut0-w&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZabPSFVbz0&feature;=related
The Inquisition E02P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sK-RVUoTMs&feature;=related
====================

The Inquisition E03P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5J41QMzfw&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJzwALsv108&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1vDzXzxVag&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZabPSFVbz0&feature;=related
The Inquisition E03P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sK-RVUoTMs&feature;=related
====================

The Inquisition E04P01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qulHayjdGqg&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gYMiPLG7fY&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETCo-cZK0s&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcW_khxCcTs&feature;=related
The Inquisition E04P05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q38jKOPRmZo&feature;=related
====================

There were about 80 Popes over a 600 year period of history who have blood on their hands.

Actually, the Inquisition lasted over 700 years from 1100 to 1858.

And The Holy Office of The Inquisition is still in existence.

Only now, it has been renamed The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Yeah! Now that's a scary thought!

Anyway . . .

I will take about 3 hours to view all 20 videos, each one being almost 10 minutes long.

Watch these videos, then come back and let me know what you think.


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Hi, Nick. Thanks for the kind remark. Actually, I was not citing Michael Vick as an individual player who was given preferential treatment. I simply met that I didn't admire him. As far as being given a second chance, I have no problem with that. His sincerity or lack thereof will become evident over time. Sorry about the confusion presented by my comments.
Earl

I don't intend on joining in on any arguments here right now as I probably won't have too much time to keep up with them because school starts again tomorrow, but I felt the need to point something out: While I'm sure many consider horse racing to be animal abuse, I'm not entirely sure horse racing is animal abuse to the same magnitude as dog fighting. While I'd be just as unlikely to watch horse racing as I would to watch a football game and I'm not defending horse racing, people don't watch horse racing to see the horses fight until one of them has been brutally killed. In dogfighting, that's the entire purpose, to watch the dogs fight with each other until one of them has suffered a gruesome death. I'm sure I didn't need to point that out, but I didn't view your example as an effective comparison.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

And also, Fat Man, I love how you enjoy insulting Catholics. Clearly, since a couple priests did a horrible thing, the Catholic religion must be horrible.

[sarcasm]That's why I hate jews, you see. I heard that this jewish guy killed someone once. All jews must be evil! -Especially- ones that are in the -process of converting to Judaism-![/sarcasm]

I love overstatements and foolish exaggeration just as much as the next guy, but seriously bro. Chill.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And also, FYI, do you honestly believe that -America- does not care about freedom? Did you seriously try and argue that Americans care more about sports than about freedom? Our entire culture is based on Apple Pie, Uncle Sam, and freedom to do whatever the hell we want.

That is seriously the most foolish thing I've heard today. And I've been surfing /v/ where weaboos are whining that Japanese developers are starting to make their games more realistic, instead of having their heroes be androgynous 17 year old 'boys' with six foot long swords.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Fat Man, a legitimate question--

I'm going to completely ignore my own personal disbelief at your statement as I ask this, as well: Why do you feel the need to objectify this lovely woman of yours? Why can you not simply be satisfied with the fact that you are in a relationship and leave it at that? I also find it worrisome that you feel the need to insult other women simply because a (rather large) portion of the male population enjoys a different TV show from you. Honestly, I've heard you say you like Star Trek... Star Trek conventions are generally composed of pale, sweaty (and oh so fat) men dressed up like their favorite female characters from the show. (Of course, I exaggerated, similar to the way you exaggerate the qualities of a minority of people who enjoy the TV show you don't.) Are these fans really -so much- (That's how I italicize, Earl.) better than men who watch Football?

I am seriously interested in some statistics and surveys which show the average IQ of women whose husbands enjoy sports. I'd also like to know the IQ of a steam iron, after all, you enjoy science yourself, we can't leave unanswered variables, or else it's simply a theory, not a fact.

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Earl--

On preferential treatment, I've seen a lot of hatred for Michael Vick, a man whose achievements recently (Although I haven't exactly been focusing on sports that much, beyond the occasionally headline and article) have far surpassed many peoples' expectations.

I've heard it said that he received preferential treatment because he regained his position as quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles (Yes, I had to look that one up...). However, that is, quite plainly, and excuse my language, Fat Man, B.S. He is highly skilled in his field. The field he happens to be skilled in is as a quarterback. As -any- businessman, would you remove your top earner for a minor offense? (It's just dog fighting, some forms of 'animal cruelty' are still allowed, such as horse racing, anyways. Who cares?) Of course you wouldn't. He is simply being paid the standard amount for someone of his skill in his field.

Now, on to what you said about judging individuals based on merit... I respect that, that's all I can really say.

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FYI--

I disagree with your assessment, mainly because what you describe is nothing new. Do many people from Alaska consider themselves the exact same as those from Hawaii? Doubtful.

In a more violent sense, do you believe that China and Taiwan desire to work together for mutual benefit? Israel and Syria? The northern Sudanese government and the people of Darfur?

Sports are not evil powers that force humanity against each other. In fact, it is humanity that forces itself against each other. Without sports, Massachusetts and New York would still have reasons for their own state pride. I can see it now, actually:

'Hey New Yorkers! How's that -red- Clam Chowder goin'? Have fun eating that crap while we enjoy our -glorious- white Clam Chowder! HAHA!!!!

Boston- 1.
NYC- -9001'

(For the record, Manhattan Clam Chowder looks disgusting.)

Basically, humans are always driven to believe that their group is better than -those people-. Sports are no more a cause of that than anything else.


Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

To answer your question, Nick, I am not against football per se. And to repeat myself, I make a sharp distinction between the game and the culture that is associated with the sport. I respect athletic achievement just as I do success in any other endeavor that requires dedication and self-discipline. There are individual coaches and players whom I actually admire -- not because they excel in a sport, but because they happen to be decent human beings. I don't admire those who behave dishonorably, particularly in the way they treat others off the playing field. I certainly don't believe that such individuals should be given preferential treatment and protected from the consequences of bad conduct. If the coaches at a high school or college do not exert strong, moral leadership, abuses and excesses are likely to occur. I've already said that if I had a teenage son who wanted to play football in high school, I'd support him (with reservations). If I happen to dislike (NOT hate) an individual player such as Michael Vick or Ben Roethlisberger, the reason why I dislike him is not because he's a football player, but is because his conduct off the playing field is despicable.
Earl

The central theme is the same throughout sports: divide and conquer. The techniques are quite simple: short circuit the natural tendency of people to cooperate for their survival, and teach them to form teams bent on domination and winning. Sports has always had a role as a key distraction that corrals tribal tendencies into a non-important event, which in modern America has reached ridiculous proportions where protests will break out over a sport celebrity leaving their city, but essential human issues such as liberty are giggled away as inconsequential.
FYI

BTW, Happy New Year, you two and everyone else!

Yeah, I know. I misspelled "sandwich" below. :(
Earl

HEY jimbo bubbah booey!!!

(Notice I don't capitalize jim's name.)

I also have a girlfriend.

She drops by to visit me and we go out together eating in restaurants.

She's a young black gal in her 30s and she's really chubby, about 5 ft 5 in and 285 pounds and really cute with a delightful personality.

Yeah, I love chubby women.

I have known her since 1998 a couple of years after I had moved down from Las Cruces New Mexico to El Paso Texas.

Sometime when I go out I'm run into her, and when we meet, we always give each other a nice big chubby hug.

I always look forward to her visits.

She is very intelligent and well educated as well as cute and sexy.

So, it's not just sports fans and jocks who get the chicks.

We sports haters can also get the chicks.

It might take us a little longer to to get a lady, but when we do, we meet up with a better class of "chicks" while sports fans and jock usually end up with shallow bubble-headed bimbos with the IQ of a steam iron.

So, good luck jim with your cheap slutty jersey-chasers!



Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Ahhh, Big JIM! I'm SO delighted that you've chosen to grace this Guestbook with your presence once again.

Nick, you've got a new pal. Nick, meet JIM.

JIM, YOU'VE got a new pal. JIM, meet Nick.

JIM, JIM, JIM ... how many times do I have to tell you? :) I've ALREADY got a chick, and I don't mean a Chick Fil-A sandwhich. This particular union, which has lasted longer than 30 years, has resulted in the production of two chickettes. :)
Earl

Happy New Year, ya sick anti-sports freaks! Hope ya get some chicks in 2011. Remember, No sports = no chicks!
JIM

No, I'm not ignoring you. As long as you're civil, I'll continue to respond. I was just having a bad day yesterday. I'll come back later when I have more time.
Earl

I don't entirely understand what you just said... are you ignoring me, or aren't you?

Also, I'd like to clarify what I meant by my last post's question. What I meant to ask was if you believe such opinions are healthy.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick, I'm not ignoring you now. I'm just tired of online arguments with people. Gets old after a while. You seem to be a good kid, but I'm tired. Sleep apnea doesn't help.

Earl

Yeah, I know. Sleeping as late as possible, not doing homework, this is the good life.

Hey, a question... do you honestly believe that football is as evil as Fat Man likes to think? I was just reading a thread where much of the forum attacked Polite24 for saying that whether or not Football is good or enjoyable is purely objective and that much of the united states enjoys it.

(His hatred of Christmas is galling as well.)

Also, in regards to you saying that Sports based PE should be an elective, in my school, at least, you get to choose which P.E class you take (There are about 10 or 12 to choose from). A class you get to choose is an elective, is it not?

As well, not to be rude or anything, but that African Village example could be considered a bit offensive. After all, Africa and the Middle East were the source of much of the world's scientific advancement, until they got raped repeatedly by the rest of the world.


Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Enjoy your vacation while you can, Nick. You'll have to go back to the old grindstone soon enough.
Earl

Access Denied.

I'm not posting much right now as I am busy enjoying my time off from school. I will talk more later.

Since I can't read what you said on the forum there, I can't exactly respond to it either. Could you post it here?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick, please read the DU topic that I've posted the link below. It helps explain what animates my point of view.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/ discuss/ duboard.php? az=view_all&address;= 439x71920
Earl

Nick, I hope my allusion to your being slightly overweight doesn't sound harsh. You seem to be a nice kid. I just have issues of anger connected with sports that I have to work out and that have nothing to do with you. I was only trying to make a point.
Earl

You may have misunderstood what I said. I believe that SPORTS-BASED P.E. should be an ELECTIVE. In other words, NOT mandatory. (I'm having to use capital letters to provide emphasis since the Guestbook does not allow for italicization.) In other words, nonathletic boys (and girls) who have no interest in sports should NOT be forced to participate in competitive teams sports. I will NEVER change my mind on this issue.

And HugeFan has already proven (not to mention many other guys) that there are situations in which sports actually GET IN THE WAY of promoting physical fitness, especially for those students who are the most unfit.

And I repeat myself: Sports-based P.E. should be retained for the athletic students and those who simply want to participate in sports. I don't favor and I've never favored taking sports out of schools.

Unlike mandatory sports-based P.E., the best sort of P.E. program offers a wide range of choice. You say that you're overweight. I don't mean to be offensive or get personal with you, but how have any of your sports-centered P.E. classes encouraged you to slim down? Again, I'm not trying to be offensive or get personal with you. I'm simply trying to make a point.

Also, what about freedom of choice? How would you feel if you and all the other guys at your high school were required to take ballet lessons? There is less justification (actually, NO justification) for requiring nonathletic students to participate in competitive team sports than there is for basic science requirements. Let's picture a technological society as compared to, say, an African village. Both societies have sports, but the second society lacks scientific technology. Sports are just as important as science? Those who actually believe that (or show contempt for scientists and "nerds" by calling them "pencil--necked geeks") should have the courage of their convictions and not be hypocritical and, instead of living in a society that enjoys all the blessings of science, go live in an African village.

You say that you've never seen any bullying in your sports-based P.E. classes. I believe that you're being truthful about your own experience, but I don't know what accounts for this. Possibly you may not be aware of what the most nonathletic boys are experiencing. I would suggest that you do a Google search on "P.E. bullying" and check out listed links to relevant webpages. I still believe that more bullying occurs in sports-based ("sports only," actually) mandatory P.E. than in all the academic classes combined. To do a little research, you might want to visit www.democraticunderground.org and do a search on the site using the words "jock bullies" and another search using just the word "bullying." If you took the time to check out links to relevant topics or threads (not having to do with "shock jocks," for example), you would find a lot more posts about bullying than any posts you've ever read at our very small website.

I'll give you credit, though, for not calling any of the members liars who have said that they endured physical bullying in such classes. But I'll go off on a limb here and also say I don't believe that the majority of high-school football coaches in this country are morally opposed to any of the football players in their charge bullying physically weaker, nonathletic boys at their schools. I truly wish that I could say otherwise. I know there are some decent coaches who are opposed, because I've read about them. But the majority? No, I'm not able to believe that. If they have the same mindset as my former judo instructor, they certainly have no problem with bullying at all.

As I've said before, I have no problem with even the most popular sports as long as they're not forced upon those who aren't interested in them and as long as individual participants in those sports are held accountable for the way they treat others off the playing field (as certainly was NOT true at Columbine before the 1999 shootings and probably still is not true). Regarding the latter consideration that I just mentioned, there have been amazingly pathetic instances to the contrary across the country, including instances of coddling or protecting criminal behavior.

I'm glad you received some good presents for Christmas. Among other presents, I received a two-season TV anthology series -- THRILLER, the horror/suspense anthology series from the early 1960s that was hosted by Boris Karloff. I've wanted that series for years! I've already got most of the TWILIGHT ZONE episodes. (Yes, some of them are not all that good. Rod Serling himself was his own harshest critic.)
Earl

I said I agree that non-sports based P.E should be an elective. However, in my school system, almost all of our P.E classes are sports based. (We have fitness/walking, yeah, but we also have baseball, football, golf, fencing(lolwut.), badminton, and a bunch of others.) and I never see any bullying.

I don't understand why one would consider them self recovered from a hobby or fandom (other than furries, they really need to recover. Like, a lot.), rather than simply not a fan any more.

Anyways, I'm enjoying my new gifts (Finally got a new graphics card so my computer can play modern games without killing itself.)

Merry Christmas (And Hanukkah to Fat Man because he's changing into a jew, I suppose... Merry Hanukkah, doesn't have a nice ring to it... Happy Hanukkah? Have a nice Hanukkah? I'll let the rest of you decide.)
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

HugeFan is absolutely right about mandatory sports-based P.E.; and, furthermore, he proves my case! I've heard similar stories from other guys time and time again. In your heart you know Earl is right! :) (By the way, HugeFan, congratulations on the progress that you've already made. Just remember that there are no shortcuts to building up one's physique. It takes a long time. I'm proud of your determination. By building up your physique, you're giving the finger to mandatory sports-based P.E. This is your vindication. :) )

Two comments about mandatory sports-based P.E., Nick: 1) The best sort of P.E. is one that allows for CHOICE. PE4Life was set up with this goal in mind. 2) I favor the retention of the old sports-based P.E. as an ELECTIVE for the athletic kids and those who simply want to participate in sports. I'm far more generous to the athletic crowd and sports fans than many sport fans are to nonathletic boys. I'm glad that you enjoyed your phys ed classes.

Regarding the 1973 martial arts magazine article about my former judo instructor, I wasn't mentioned by name; otherwise, I would have considered suing for libel. I suspect that he was referring to me, but he possibly could have been referring to some other unfortunate kid. I think you're missing the point I was trying to make: He equated being scrawny with being gay. Scrawny = inferior = gay. Remember, he specifically said that ONLY athletic men and men in certain blue-collar professions were "real men." This is a little bit like racism. Instead of being a white supremacist, he's a jock supremacist.

And, no, as I've said before, I'm not saying that sports are the cause of all evil in the world. I've never said that.

Regarding recovering_fan's chosen username, RF is a former sports fan. He got the idea for his username from the expression "recovering alchoholic." Get it? ;)
Earl

Hah.

He seems worse than I was. I only circumvented a ban once, and lost interest in the character after two posts. =P
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Nick wrote: <<Oh, also, when're you guys gonna ban wibberley?>>

Never. Earl is going to appoint wibberley to a moderatorship, and then wibberley is going to ban Earl.

<>

I wouldn't bother checking the threads here for a while...

RF

You know, I daresay I like Recovering_Fan. Although his name makes no sense, he seems like a pretty cool guy. His posts make a lot of sense, and he's talking some of it into Fat Man as well.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Earl-

So, yes. It is pretty clear that the guy didn't think you were gay because you didn't like sports. (Many people who are sports -fans- but don't play the sports are fat or scrawny.)

I also agree that it sucks that during the 60's they made you take sports based Phys ed. However, for many, myself included, sports based phys ed was pretty fun. Of course, when I took actual P.E I was in middle school, and we played more games like dodge ball, tag, kickball, etc. We even had watergun fights once.

Anyways, from what you've told me, I don't think that necessarily the guy was even thinking of sports when he thought you were gay. And besides, it's pretty cool you were mentioned in a magazine, eh?
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Baddy-

As I said to Earl, I've never had problems in Phys-ed (Other than when we got to wellness and it WAS based around fitness, but the teacher was a short, effeminate man with issues about desiring respect or something.)

But I agree that your teacher sounds terrible. However, from his point of view, by losing the game it shows that the other teacher taught his kids better, so I can forgive him that. (When my 'wellness' teacher tried to make me run laps, I was just all like 'Nope.' and I had to 'clean up the lunch room' during one of my 25 minute free mods. (At this high school, the day is divided up into 25 minute periods, most classes have three 2 period class times and 1 3 period class time).

Most of the time, just saying 'HEYELLLLLL NAWWWWW' could have served you well.

However, I would like to disagree with you about the math thing. Kids I've known would brag about test scores in class and make fun of lower grades often. (However, I'm usually above them so who cares?)

I also believe you could have gone to your principal and said something about the fact that your teacher was making you run in a circle for an hour instead of teaching his class. I usually exaggerate a little bit, but in a way that if I'm called out on it, I can just say that they were misconstruing my words. That's just me though.
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Now, there's not really much I can say using this about the debate over why sports are evil, (Or, in your case, sports-based PE with no alternative, Earl. Which I mostly agree with.), so I'll end my message here.

Oh, also, when're you guys gonna ban wibberley? He's been here since a while before I was banned, I think. =þ
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Good evening Nick (well, technically it is morning I suppose),

I see that quite a lot has happened here in the guestbook since I last visited it. Last time I visited the guestbook, there had only been a couple posts since you came back here, as I don't check the guestbook often as it is usually quiet for the most part, but less than an hour ago, I had just noticed the amount of new posts here. I've read through all the new posts and I'm glad to see that there has been intelligent discussion here (mostly).

I must admit that when I initially saw your recent posts here, I did not remember who you were. The name was familiar, but I couldn't exactly remember you. Don't take it personally though, there are several names that I've seen mentioned in the forums where I can slightly remember their presence, but all I can really remember is the fact that they posted a while ago and don't post anymore. Perhaps I have a memory loss problem :) (Is that the first time I've used an emoticon on this forum? I think it might be). But I soon remembered who you were, and a lot of my memory involving your presence on this forum was refreshed by some of these newer posts in the guestbook.

I'll try to address a few things that have been mentioned in this discussion if I feel like I have something to say about it.

Nick, while I must admit you were treated somewhat unfairly (although not outrageously unfairly in my opinion), you did act in a manner in which tension between you and some members would be inevitable. To my recollection, the first thing I ever read from you stated that you believed most bullying victims were jerks, which is something I, probably along with several other members of the site, disagree with. Your posts also stated that you were connected to 4chan, which had recently attacked this website and harassed specific members, and one member was particularly victimized in a completely immoral manner. Your treatment on this site cannot compare to the treatment that member faced from 4chan, yet I can't recall you saying anything that opposed 4chan.

While I agree with you that irresponsibility of teachers are to blame for many problems discussed on this site, I feel that this is extremely prevalent in Phys-Ed, when based on sports, compared to any academic subject. I've heard of and witnessed and have even been the victim of many incidents where someone is picked on due to athletic inability. Based on personal experience, I've noticed a student is very likely to be taunted if he can't throw a ball or perform some other sports related manoeuvre. But I have never in my life seen a good math student point at someone who is having difficulties in the subject and say Ha! Look over there! He doesn't know how to turn that equation of a parabola in standard form into vertex form! What a faggot! and then physically assault the troubled student. I've always done well with mathematics, but I've never looked down on students who are having troubles learning the subject, in fact, I try to assist them whenever I can, just like all the other successful math students I've ever known. But I have definitely on countless occasions heard successful PE students point at non-athletes such as myself and say something along the lines of Ha! Look over there! He didn't get that shot in! What a faggot! and often, but sometimes not immediately, physically assault the non-athlete. As a related example, I've never seen a history teacher command a student to repeatedly write June 28, 1914 for an entire class simply because the student didn't know the date of Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination. But in grade nine Phys-Ed when we had to play baseball, I failed to catch the baseball which was descending at a very rapid speed, and therefore I was forced to run laps for the rest of the period (each period is approximately 1 hour and 20 minutes long) which had barely even begun, simply because I wasn't too great at baseball. By the end of the class, I had run countless kilometres, and had lost track of the distance I ran long before the period was over. Why did the teacher issue such a punishment for something as simple as lacking athletic ability? It was because our class was playing a game against the other class, and my PE teacher, just like many sports players/fans who I pity, had some irrational mentality against losing a simple game. Like I said, the hostility between successful and unsuccessful students in school and irresponsibility/incompetence of teachers mainly exists in the sports-based PE curriculum and isn't commonly found in academic subjects.

I also must agree with Earl that mandatory sports-based Phys-Ed is completely ineffective in promoting physical fitness to nonathletic students. Until recently, I've never been physically strong. I've never had a weight problem and I've always been quite skinny, but I never had much muscle mass either, and the mandatory PE which I went through from elementary school to grade nine never made me build up muscle. PE never did any good for me, it only did harm. I was always humiliated and it destroyed any confidence I had. I completely despised PE, and it was perhaps the only subject where I eventually wouldn't have any respect for my teachers. I don't know if I have ever mentioned this here before, but on one of the last days of grade nine PE, we were required to write down some answers to questions about our thoughts about the course. One of the questions asked us to write down one thing we disliked about the course. I'll try to write my response to the best of my recollection: I hated so many things about the course that I can't pick just one thing, so I'll choose three things that I hated. First of all, I thought badminton sucked. It was feminine (before the word feminine, I wrote gay, but I crossed out the word gay, but only used one line to cross it out so it was still visible), which isn't really something I'm into. I don't have anything wrong with males doing feminine activities, but I don't think it should be forced upon students who aren't interested in doing feminine things. It wouldn't be right if heterosexuality was promoted to homosexual students, so the same rights should apply to heterosexual students such as myself. The second thing I hated about the subject was baseball. There's barely any physical activity in the sport, it's mostly just standing around, and isn't the purpose of Phys-Ed to promote physical fitness? You really need to stop using whatever you or the school board were smoking when you decided to put baseball in the curriculum. And the third thing I hated about the course was footy, it was simply retarded. I think it's completely bullshit that we have the choice of either paying $25 for two braindead athletes of some messed up sport to come from the other side of the world just to teach us something that will never contribute to my academic or professional career, or to not pay the money and have our marks significantly decrease. I hope you get fired for doing that. The next question was the opposite of the previous question: What did you enjoy about the course? I simply wrote Nothing. . There were several other questions where in my answer, I made it clear that I hated the course. Normally, I would never write a response to a teacher that consisted of the amount of negativity I used to answer those questions, but I was done with putting up with my PE teacher's crap, and since it was the end of the school year, I wanted to convey how much I disliked what I had to go through for an entire semester. Anyway, as I was saying, mandatory PE never contributed to my fitness whatsoever, there were no advantages to the course, only disadvantages. But now, I'm on my first ever year with no PE class, and I've decided to work out on my own time, which I have enjoyed, and I've made much more progress in staying healthy and becoming stronger in the few months since I started working out than I have made in the total amount of time I have spent in PE in my lifetime. I was definitely weaker than the average male my age until a few months ago, but now that I'm no longer taking PE and I'm working out on my own time, I believe I am stronger than the average male my age.

Enjoy,

HugeFanOfBadReligion

In response to Nick:

Well, I wouldn't say that the time I spent taking judo lessons from that guy was a horrible experience. It was just dull and unfulfilling. The psychologist should have known that taking judo lessons would do no good if my heart really wasn't in it.

You're right that I did not specifically tell him that I wasn't interested in sports. But he should have surmised that that was true. Unlike today (as I pack on muscle slowly but surely at my health club), I was physically weak; and my physique was undeveloped. Obviously, I wasn't athletic at all.

He did stereotype me according to the way I looked. But I did not have effeminate mannerisms. I was very conscious of doing what was considered to be masculine. When I was in the 9th grade, a bully in one of my classes once told me that I crossed my legs like a girl; so, I adopted the correct "manly" pose (never mind that William F. Buckley, Jr., crossed his legs in exactly the way that the bully said was effeminate).

I realize that I could be mistaken, but I am convinced that what my former judo instructor meant was that he prevented me from becoming a homosexual -- that had it not been for my taking judo lessons in his dojo, I would have become gay. I once did a Google search on him and found an online copy of an article about him from a 1973 issue of a martial arts magazine. In the article he was quoted making specific reference to an unnamed boy in one of his judo classes whom he claimed to have "saved" from becoming a homosexual. I don't remember the exact wording. But I assume that he was referring to me. Incidentally, I don't hate the guy. I wish him well. I just think that he's extremely wrongheaded.

I want to be sure that I'm not misunderstood. I think the martial arts are great, and I'm glad that you took Tae Kwon Do lessons. The point was that judo lessons were not the solution to the problem that I had when I was a teenager (and persisted into my early manhood). I've become a strong believer in a painfully obvious fact: Self-confidence is absolutely essential for academic success. Taking up bodybuilding when I was a teenager to build up my physique would have given me a lot of self-confidence, which would have enabled me to do better academically. There were certain classes that I should have aced in high school, but did not because I lacked self-confidence.

Yes, I was a teenager throughout the 1960s. And, yes, homosexuality was heavily stereotyped. Man, you're not kidding! There was a lot of stereotyping going on. I was influenced to believe that male homosexuals were either limp-wristed pansies or were somewhere in the middle between physical ruggedness and extreme effeminacy, but certainly NOT "macho." This will sound incredibly stupid; but since I was weak and scrawny, I considered myself to be like homosexuals physically (even though I had no homosexual desires) and felt inferior because of it. If I had attended my friend's high school and had seen that big, muscular gay holding hands with another guy in one of the hallways (as my friend once saw him do), my jaw would have dropped a foot.

Yes, I must admit that my messages are too long to read in a single setting. lol
Earl

Well I understand that that must have been a horrible experience (I took Tae Kwon Do but my instructors were bros.)

You didn't say that you told him you had no interest in sports. Also, you said you're sixty years old, yes? Back when you were a teenager, around 16, I'll guess... that was the 60's. Back then, homosexuality was heavily stereotyped and those people were treated horribly. In his own mindset, what he meant by saving you from homosexuality could have been a compliment, albeit a badly worded one. Many people back then were 'homophobic' (which, by the way, is a stupid phrase because it literally means 'fear of the same'. Although, I suppose, that could become a word for gays-in-denial.)

Anyways, TL;DR: I didn't see you say anything about sports to him, could he have just been stereotyping you based on looks?
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Fat Man, why are you assuming I know what alcohol tastes like, what am I, some kind of druggy? My experience with drugs ends at one awkward experience with weed, bro. Please, can you try to be civil?
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I'll make a longer response to what you said later, Earl.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Good evening Earl:

You know, I always thought that psychology and sociology were not real sciences but were crack-pot pseudo-sciences, and that most psychologists and sociologists are quacks.

I prefer studying real science and reading books on the real sciences like Astronomy, Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Paleontology, and Anthropology, etc. etc.

Many of these so called psychologists or sociologists are just quacks with a political agenda.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

I've read your latest message addressed to me, Nick.

No, (unlike our currently active forum members Skul, Lewis, and i_like_1981), I'm not a Brit; but I did get your joke. :) Like you, I'm an American.

I want to make several observations at this point. First of all, I don't mean to sound unfriendly; but I don't think you're going to change the mind of any of the forum members who support this website. But as long you're serious and not disrespectful, I shall continue this exchange with you. But you realize, don't you, that this exchange could continue for a long time? One or both of us might get tired of it.

Secondly, this is not the best medium to have a discussion of this sort. Long messages are necessary to get points across, and writing them is time-consuming. Since I have a life away from the Internet, I will be checking the Guestbook only once on those days when I'm not too busy. I'm having to discipline myself for the sake of my bodybuilding program and for the purpose of dealing with a serious health problem that I have (chronic sleep disorder caused -- only in part, I believe -- by sleep apnea, with which I have been diagnosed). There may be a few times when I won't respond for two or more days.

I have never said that sports per se cause bullying, but I do believe that there is a mindset that encourages bullying and that certain negative behaviors in sports have been tolerated in many quarters for generations. Of course, I recognize that some bullies are nonathletes. Some bullies are even girls.

You seem to be framing your argument in simplistic terms. I deal with particular situations. Someone's objection to corrupt business practices, say, does not necessarily mean that he's against free enterprise and is some kind of Marxist. Someone who objects to hypocrisy on the part of individual believers is not necessarily an atheist or an agnostic. Sports is regarded by more than a few people as being sacred; so, no critique of the sports culture is permitted. Every other social institution in this country may be criticized, but not the sports culture or sports institutions.

You're preoccupied with people who say they hate sports. You should check out the hysterically hateful reactions of many of the sports fans who have bothered to leave messages over the years of this website's existence in either the forum or the "Letters" columns. You've not referred to any of their reactions.

For now, all I want to do is present you with a non-bullying situation. (Please notice that I did say "non-bullying.") Again, presenting it will require more than a few sentences. And I realize that you may have read similar comments that I posted in the forum.

When I was in the 8th grade, my parents sent me to a clinical psychologist because my grades had fallen and I was being picked on at school. (I must say, though, that I did not suffer the sort of physical bullying that i_like_1981, Fat Man, and other members of this forum experienced when they were in school.) The psychologist, who turned out to be abysmally incompetent (at least in my case), said I should take judo lessons. If he had been competent, he would have evaluated my lack of self-confidence and discovered that it was due to extremely poor body self-image on my part (i.e, being physically weak and not having a well-developed physique). The solution to this problem would have been simple: namely, to send me to a gym to work with a personal trainer on a bodybuilding program (which is exactly what I'm doing now as a middle-aged man). Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not knocking any of the martial arts. The problem with taking judo was that I had no need for it since I was only being verbally bullied; and, besides, it was not a bodybuilding activity.

I followed the "good" doctor's orders because I assumed that he knew what he was talking about. I wasn't interested in judo, but I viewed taking judo lessons as "medicine." (He didn't give me a choice.) That wouldn't have been too bad, and I possibly would have benefited from it. But the judo instructor my psychologist chose to send me to was a former university football player who, IMHO, could not relate to nonathletic boys. This is the lesson to be learned from this situation: Never send a sensitive teenage boy to a judo instructor who epitomizes machismo at its worst. This approach just doesn't work, folks.

In contrast to my health club (where all the personal trainers know and respect me because I work hard at bodybuilding), I always felt like an outsider in this judo instructor's dojo. Years later I would eventually learn why. Sam (not his real name) eventually promoted me to brown belt, but at the time I felt that I did not deserve this promotion. In fact, I felt like he was patronizing me. I felt like something was missing. Besides, he never took a personal interest in me, even though he knew that I had been referred to him by a psychologist. By the spring of my junior year in high school, I decided that the charade had gone on long enough; so, I quit. I half-expected Sam to protest, but I never heard from him.

Eight years later I visited Sam at his home. He made some rather interesting unsolicited comments. The first was this: "Earl (not my real name either), I saved you from homosexuality." SAY WHAT? That s funny; I thought you could not save someone from something he didn't even want to do unless it was about to be forced upon him against his will. I had never had any homosexual desires. The very idea is a vile insult.

Do you realize why Sam said this? The reason why he made this outlandish statement is because he STEREOTYPED me from the very first day he saw me. When I had the misfortune to meet this jerk, he saw a physically weak boy who had no interest in sports, a boy who lacked self-confidence and had never been in a fistfight, a boy who liked to read books. So, because of these facts, I had to have had homosexual tendencies; right? No! WRONG!

He then went on to say that only athletes and men in certain blue-collar professions were "real men." He even started dissing Dr. Andrei Sakharov, who was a hero of mine -- an iminent Soviet physicist ("the father of the Soviet H-bomb") who had become a courageous human rights activist. He said he really wasn't all that courageous. Undoubtedly, he viewed Dr. Sakharov as a "pencil-necked geek." Well, Dr. Sakharov had more courage (and compassion) in his little finger than Sam did in his entire misshapen body (beer belly).

The year before I had come across a hateful book written by a sociology professor (a woman) who denounced "feminized males" as inferior people who supposedly were a threat to society. Still alive today, she considers all boys who lack an interest in sports to be "feminized." (Of course, her ideal of masculinity just happens to be jocks. I take that back. She considers some sports to be superior to others.)

Incidentally, Sam saw for himself that I had a scrawny build; yet he never told me that I could do something about it by taking up bodybuilding. That wouldn't have contradicted his machismo any. What a jerk.

I could say more, Nick. But for now I'll let you reflect upon the ramifications of this mindset and what role it plays in certain interpersonal interactions among boys and men.
Earl

In response to Nick:

No, Buckhorn is even worse!

When you open the can, it smells like old wet tar paper torn off a shit-house roof!

I only drink Amber Bach Dark Lager or Shiner Bohemian Black Lager, the good stuff.

Buckhorn is the beer of low-life redneck scum-bag sports fans who live in single-axle trailer homes who beat the Hell out of their wives and kids when their favorite football team loses the big game of the season, and also twice daily and thrice on Sundays after coming home from church, and rape their daughters, and screw the pooch, give the golf fish and parakeet cause for alarm.

That's who drinks Buckhorn beer.

But then, you should know from personal experience.

Isn't the right, Bubbah!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

And also, what's Buckhorn beer? Is it a beer with a bad reputation like Natural Ice?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I suppose I shouldn't point out how few good sports player go on to pro leagues, should I? I forget, but there was a statistic showing that your child is more likely to be autistic than a pro footballer, more likely to be a published author, or a singer, etc. I can't find it though.

Also, this was a nice attempt at conversation, however your insults ruined it. Please, try again though. I like where this is going.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

In response to Nick:

I tried G Mail, and it sucks. When I reply to anyone with a G Mail address it bounces back.

So, I can only receive E-mails from G Mail, but I can't replay to anyone on G Mail.

So, that's another suggestion you can shove up your ass sideways!

Now,concerning religion.

Here is a video from ABC NEWS NIGHTLINE.

Don McLeroy The Creationist in Charge of Education in Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGmli0YI1WI

I downloaded the original version, and then up-loaded it to my own YouTube channel and added my own annotations to the video.

Here is the link to my channel.

Science Wins! Creationism Loses! We have the fossils! WE WIN!
http://www.youtube.com/user/BigFatMan1951

And if you go to the OFF TOPIC section of our forums, you'll notice many topics I have posted with links to NEWS articles concerning science, religion and politics.

I know you can't post there anymore, but as a guest you can read the forum posts.

So, keep your fucking mouth shut, and your eyes and ears open, and you might learn something!

Oh! And by the way . . . . .

I was up all night working on my IncrediMail problem.

When I tried to delete some spam on my E-mail, simply clicking on the mail from a particular Yahoo Group caused my Incredimail program to lock up.

I have now unsubscribed to that Yahoo group so I won't be receiving any more E-mails from them.

Over the past few days, I have had to unsubscribe to 7 different Yahoo groups because I was sick and tired of the spam, but the spam I received from a group last night was the worst, because it had some kind of malicious software that cause my Incredimail to lock up.

So, I had to shut down and then reload my Incredimail, and then delete the entire contents of my In Box in order to delete the spam and I ended up losing the more valuable E-mails from Newsletters I subscribe to just so I could get rid of the worthless spam.

So, I had to throw away the good stuff along with the trash.

That's almost like having sports in our schools.

The lives of good students gets ruined by the jocks while low-life scum-bag jocks are put up on a pedestal, and the rest of us are forced to bow and scrape and lick their boots.

Well, NOT me! NO FUCKING WAY!!!

If you like to lick boots and suck jock cocks, then enjoy yourself and your pathetic little life.

It must really suck to be you!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Also, you may just want to get a GMail, far superior.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

So, you just hate a different religion from your own because of what some people in the organisation may have said (You didn't link any sources.)

And also, I don't even know what buckhorn beer is.

And why are you being so hostile?
Nick
MA US

Oh! And one more thing Nick you prick!

My IncrediMail is fucked up!

I can't get my E-mails anymore!

Yeah! I'm a US citizen, but I can't get my own mails anymore!

So, I might aw well be living in a dictator ship.

But while I still have a little bit of freedom of speech left, I'm going to use it to tell you to . . . . .

EAT SHIT AND DIE!!!

OK???
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

In response to Nick:

You ask me what I have against the Catholic Church.

Can you say, Inquisition???

And the Catholic Church still has an anti-science attitude. The Pope, or I should say, the Poop is against stem cell research, against developing a vaccine to protect against AIDS, and against the use of condoms that could prevent the spread of AIDS or prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Here in Texas, our State Board of Education, actually, Indoctrination, has recently voted on school textbooks that will be used for the next 10 years.

Don MacLeroy, and some of his fellow right wing Funny-mentalist Christards members of the State Board of Indoctrination wat to have Thomas Jefferson removed from the history text, to be replaced by John Calvin, a 16th century religious fanatic who had people tortured to death.

It's not surprising that right-wing conservatards would admire John Calvin when you consider that the Bush administration tortured war prisoners by water-boarding.

Also, these Funny-mentalist Christards wish to insert their Creationist fairy tales into science textbooks.

And then, you wonder why I'm down on religion.

The quality of education has been steadily declining over the years, and our schools care more about athletics than academics.

And you wonder why I say FUCK THE USA!

Now you know.

Also, I don't want any more suggestions from you on how to solve my computer problems.

Not unless you're willing to send me a check for a few hundred dollars so I can follow your suggestions.

Otherwise, here is my suggestion to you.

Take a dirty old sweat sock, stuff it in your mouth, put duct tape over your mouth, and pour your cheap Buckhorn beer up you ass and . . . . .

SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Q.) What's the difference between acne and a Catholic priest?

A.) Acne usually comes on a boy's face after he turns 12.

...I'll give you that, Fat Man. That's pretty good.

Sorry for the rapid fire posts, I'm posting as I read.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Haha, wow. I'm reading through the fallout after my banning a bit. You guys really hated me, huh?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

And hey Fat Man, do you actually like me? You seem to compliment me fairly often, albeit while talking to other people, and not me.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I never had a quarrel with you, either. In fact I was rather surprised at some of the angry posts I received earlier this year.

However, I think that what you pointed out just further strengthens my argument. The bigger someone is, the less likely they are to be picked on. If I were bullying you, I wouldn't look for your strengths; I'd make fun of your weaknesses. If you don't like something that most people do like, that's a weakness in the eyes of others. As such, I can exploit that weakness for my enjoyment. I m not going to exploit that weakness, though, if I know you could fight back.

I have a story to share, here. I'm a little over weight (Not morbidly obese, though, thank god. Some fricken' Wales (Get it? Like the country or state or province or whatever you brits call them there, you are a brit right? I ll assume that for the rest of this, as I am reasonably sure you said that at one point.) at my school.) Anyways, this kid would make fun of me for being overweight every day. One time, he got a bad grade. I made fun of him for it and he cried. Later, the principle asked me if I had a soul, and I laughed at her, because it was genuinely funny, but that's a story for another time.

My point is, if someone wants to pick on you, they're going to exploit what's different; and they're only going to pick on you if they're reasonably certain they can take you on in a fight, or that they have friends who can.

And you know what activities draw big people? Sports, simply because big people are generally more useful, and as I ve already said, a lot of people who are bigger can be mean, because they have no one who can put them in their place. This doesn't mean that you have to play sports to bully; after all, I've been bullied before by a kid who doesn't play sports. (We're sort-of-bros now, which is weird. Strange how things turn out, eh?) It also doesn t mean that you re a bully if you re big. It just means that -you can get away with it- more easily.

So basically, as you pointed out, the big gay kid didn't get picked on, because everyone knew he could fuck them up literally (Joke, I couldn't resist.) and figuratively.

Bullies will bully, regardless of who someone is, if they know they can get away with it. Be honest, if you were a little 5' tall kid and a big 6 foot kid comes over and says, "Gimme your lunch money, or I'll POUND YA," are you going to try and fight him, or are you going to give him your lunch money? Sadly, it is often the latter.

The sports industry is also the cause of fond family memories for many. A large amount of people can remember watching football on a Sunday night, or grilling up food for family and friends on Superbowl Sunday. I myself can remember chasing my brother s baseball team around my little red truck (You know, the electric powered ones? I can t remember the specific name.) after practices.
Bullying isn t caused by sports; it's caused by a lax disciplinary system in some schools. After all, do you honestly believe that any sports players would want to risk getting kicked off of their teams? In many schools, players are required to make up tests and class times missed for state and country wide tournaments, and have at least a C average (C here is supposed to be average, with B and A reserved for higher scorers, except on assignments and tests where it s the normal 70, 80, 90 range.) or else be kicked off of the team.
In my schools, bullying is generally met with suspension and detentions, so a lot of bullies get put in their place rather quickly, however, that was not always the case. As someone who has been on both sides of bullying, of course, I never got into fights or anything like that, I can tell you that sports are not the cause, not even really a major contributor, to bullying.

Something tells me I used way too many commas.

Nick
MA US

I consider your reference to my "perfectly worded essay" to be a compliment. Of course (as if I actually need to tell you this), I did type the first letter of your name; but when I highlighted the text of my message that I had typed up on a word processing composition page for the copying and pasting process, I lost the "N" somehow. Also, I've noticed that the copying and pasting process left out the quotation marks and hyphens. (I think I may have solved that problem now.) I had to write an essay because my views could (and cannot) by conveyed in a sentence or two, despite the frequent practice in board messaging.

I'm pleasantly surprised by your response. I half-expected a smart-alecky or snide remark. You ve shown by your compassionate response that you're a decent person -- in fact, more decent than I had previously believed. So, I give you credit for that. You've put me in a good mood. Many people -- including, unfortunately, many adults -- actually condone bullying. I concede that the problem of school bullying can be complicated. So, I won't say any more about bullying in this message, as I want to conclude this message after several more paragraphs.

I'm now 60 years old, which means that I have been able to make certain observations over the years. One particular observation is about the negative stereotype of nonathletic boys and men that is closely associated with machismo. If you've already read similar comments of mine in the forum, please excuse.

First of all, the notion that boys who don't like sports are "fags." Over the years I ve been able to make the observation that in BOTH the homosexual as well as the heterosexual male population there are superficial characteristics that range from physical ruggedness to "effeminate" mannerisms, such as tone of voice. I've known heterosexual guys who spoke with a slight feminine twang, but either had or were growing up to be competent men who would get married and have children. On the other hand, there are gay men who are quite rugged; and gay men have always participated in sports (including rough contact sports), just as they've participated in just about every other human endeavor. About eight years ago a former NFL player named Esera Tuaolo, who had once played in a Super Bowl game, came out of the closet and admitted that he had been gay ever since he was a very young boy. A friend of mine who graduated from high school in 1969 told me last year that the biggest and strongest boy in his senior class was definitely homosexually active. Even though he was "queer," no one dared to bully him because, needless to say, he was quite capable of defending himself and had the physical strength to retaliate.

I've long resented the notion that nonathletic boys who don't like sports are wimps somehow. Wimps -- that is, moral cowards -- come in all sizes and shapes and come from different backgrounds. My best friend had an athletic background but later became a wimp. I don't know if you've read any of my posts on Raoul Wallenberg, who was one of the greatest heroes of World War II and of the past century. If you haven't done so, do a Google search on him and read about him at referenced websites. He was a mild-looking (but extremely courageous) man who, in the words of his half-sister, "detested competitive team sports" -- meaning, of course, that he had no interest in them. This man was not exactly a wimp, I'd say. There have been many courageous men who didn't like sports.

I'd also say that I probably don't have much of a quarrel with you. I'm sorry that our exchange on the forum earlier this year didn't end up like this exchange here. Thanks again for the pleasant surprise.
Earl

On a lighter note, no matter how much you all hate sports, you must admit that anime and -most- japanese video games are far worse.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Hah, write a huge perfectly worded essay and forget the first letter.

I agree that Fat Man and 1981 should be bitter, hell, they should -hate- the people who made their lives miserable. However, how is it sports' fault? Instead of placing the blame where it belongs, namely the shitty teachers and the kids who bullied them, they're blaming sports as a whole. If I were a teacher and I asked a mentally retarded kid the hardest questions in the class, and the normal kids the easiest, and did nothing when the other kids made fun of him, it would be just as bad.

Sports are not the root of all evil, bad teaching and refusing to support the victims are, and by blaming it on sports, they're ignoring the true problem in their schools.

I've said I'm not interested in sports on many occasions. I have a friend who plays Lacrosse; I make fun of the sport all the time. No one cares. It isn't sports that are causing misery, it is bullying. And the fact that none of these members can see it is sad, although not surprising.

Look, for instance, at Fat Man's topic about how 'sports ruined his life' or some such. It should be 'How Bullying and a Lack of Support Ruined My Life, But instead, it's 'How Sports Ruined my Life.'

I agree that they've been through a lot, but they're misplacing blame.

Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Obviously, the first word should be "Nick," not "ick."
Earl

ick, you say that you came to our website because it was ridiculous. I assume that you re not necessarily calling each one of us ridiculous as individuals, especially considering that you know none of us personally -- because if you are, you re not exactly encouraging us to be civil to you.

You say that you came simply to argue that there is no reason to hate sports. Not like them? Sure. But hate them? Why? Just taken by itself without regard to your actual motivation for asking it, this is a fair question that deserves an answer. You could be trolling or trying to play some little online game with us, but I will assume that you are being sincere. If you were not sincere when all was said and done, that would mean that I was fooled by you. But the fact would remain that I acted in good faith and had a clean conscience, and the one who would actually look bad would be you. Needless to say, I cannot read your heart. Only you know the answer to that question.

I just wonder why you feel the need to defend sports. Are sports unpopular? Is the place of sports in society and in our culture threatened in any way? So, the question that comes to my mind is why you would even care that some people hate sports? What impact do such people have in your life? Now, if you are one of those people who feel that sports is sacred or that sports defines them as guys, then I would understand why you would bother with us. There are websites of various groups that are odious to me -- such as white supremacists, black racists, Communists, Holocaust deniers and other anti-Semites, and the John Birch Society. Do I waste my time visiting such websites to ask why they believe what they believe? Of course, not.

This may surprise you, but I don t apply the label anti-sports to myself. In fact, I think the word is a bit vague. There is a very real sense in which I am not against sports. I have a live and let live attitude and believe strongly in respecting others, regardless of their interests or backgrounds. As long as they don t try to impose their personal preference upon me or upon others who aren t interested in sports, I have no trouble with people who enjoy sports either as a participant or as a spectator. If I had a teenage son who wanted to play football in high school, I would support him (with reservations). Two of my closest friends played football in high school, and one of them played football at the university where he earned his degree in sociology. They are rugged but sensitive men who reject the machismo that is so often associated with that sport. I hold them both in high regard.

So, I m not a sports hater and won t allow myself to be called a sports hater. What I am, though, is a critic of the sports culture. Now, I recognize that different sports have different cultures associated with them. What I object to is the culture that is associated with (but is not inherently a part of) certain school sports, especially the very few that are the most popular. This, incidentally, is also Skul s position.

To explain my own position further, I need to comment on the mandatory sports-centric boys P.E. of my generation. Those who formulated school policy claimed that they were promoting physical fitness, but they were telling a hypocritical lie. The old P.E. was hellish for nonathletic boys, especially those who were physically weak or overweight. In my own experience, all of the P.E. teachers and coaches I had or ever heard about from my friends viewed nonathletic boys with either indifference or outright contempt. There was not even any mention of exercise programs or bodybuilding in these P.E. classes, despite the claim that physical fitness was being promoted.

Not only that, there usually was not even any instruction about the sports themselves. The assumption seems to have been made that all boys either were athletes or already knew how the games were played. When she was in high school, my older daughter had a calculus teacher who actually would not teach the class about calculus. She told the students in her class to teach themselves. Fortunately, my wife had taught calculus as a high-school math teacher; so, she was able to do the job for our daughter s sake that her teacher should have been doing. This teacher was fired by the end of the year. But phys ed coaches who would simply toss a ball and say, Go play, were not fired.

In my eighth-grade P.E. class I once was forced to play in a basketball game, never mind that I didn t even know how the game was played. Decades later my personal trainer at my health club would vary the workout routine in my bodybuilding program with exposure to a sport or two. He showed me how to shoot a basketball, which I had assumed was just the action of thrusting the ball towards the hoop. I was amazed to learn that shooting a basketball was actually a skill that involves certain finger and wrist movements that had to be practiced in order to master them. The point is that [i]this was never taught in any of my P.E. classes[/i]. So much for the education in physical education.

Nonathletic boys were frequently bullied in those classes; and in all school districts that continue to have the old P.E. instead of genuine fitness class, the bullying continues. I dare say that historically more bullying has taken place in sports-centric mandatory P.E. than in all the academic classes combined.

Two of the members of this forum, including FM, were forced to take mandatory P.E., [i]even though they were physically handicapped[/i]. Common sense dictated that they should have been exempted, but they were not. FM had received a permanent injury to one of his knees in a car wreck when he was four years of age. He could not run and could walk with only a limp. The other member lacked depth of perception because he was born with an eye defect. Both of them were humiliated by more athletic classmates in their P.E. classes, and none of the coaches cared.

Incidentally, the member who had the visual problem eventually retaliated against the jock who had been bullying him for months or even years by slamming his head against the nearest wall. Guess whom the coach punished? Why, the victim of bullying, of course! After all, the bully was a jock; and his victim was just a nonathlete.

One of our other members was not physically handicapped, but had a scrawny build. Again, was any bodybuilding instruction or any exercise program ever taught in any of his P.E. classes? No, of course not. They were only about sports. His P.E. class was divided into two teams to play a game of cricket. His team lost, and one of his teammates walked over to him when the game was over and smashed his face with a cricket bat, breaking his nose. Instead of being sent to a juvenile detention for committing this crime, the perpetrator was merely suspended for a few days, which no doubt was like a holiday to him. When he returned to the school, he showed his repentence by shoving our member into a locker. If someone walked up to you on a street and smashed your face with a baseball bat, you would see him in court. But because this crime happened in a P.E. class and because the perpetrator had athletic talent, no one cared. Same reaction as in the paragraph above.

Are you honestly going to say that these guys should not be bitter about what happened to them? Do you honestly expect such guys to have a great love for sports?

Whoever came up with the old P.E. must have really hated nonathletic boys. Not only were they frequently humiliated and bullied in such classes, but they were discouraged from becoming physically active years later. I ve read a number of posts from middle-aged nonathletic guys who ve said this was true in their lives. So, they were bullied when they were kids and were discouraged from becoming physically active as grown men. This is the way to promote physical fitness in the schools? Give me a break.

I ve read comments by sports fans at other websites that nonathletic boys should be forced to take mandatory sports-centric P.E. even when they are bullied. Why should I respect this point of view? This is coercion. Sports should be a form of recreation, not a weapon used by bullies against those who have no interest in sports.

Nonathletic boys who have no interest in sports frequently have their masculinity questioned. Again, I ve known this from my own personal experience. Aside from that, a childhood friend of mine who played football in high school in the late 1960s told me that most of his teammates had looked down on all the nonathletic guys at their school as being inferior. Last year a formerly active member of this forum, a decent kid who was playing football at his high school and was a critic of this website, admitted that most of his teammates viewed the nonathletic guys at their school as fags. Why should I respect guys who have such ignorant, bigoted attitudes, Nick?

I could go on with this, but my message is already quite long. This should begin to answer your question. There s even more that I could say, but I ve written more than enough for now.
Earl

Also, Fat Man, I have a couple questions...

Why do you hate Catholics? What has the religion done to you?

Also, why do you hate America? Every so often you type in all caps that you hate this country. In one post you even said you hate the country for giving you money, but not enough money.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

I came to this website for the same reason most people visit websites. If you see something ridiculous, you check it out. Other forums I've checked out were otherkin.org (Which is hilarious, by the way. I totally reccomend it.)

I also came to this website because it's interesting. And to be honest, Fat Man probably played a decent part in me deciding to visit. However, I expected a lot of the stuff he said to be exaggerated. I was honestly surprised at how quickly he flamed. When I visited the forum, believe it or not, I came simply to argue that there is no reason to hate sports. Not like them? Sure. But hate them? Why?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Hi, Nick. I don t know where you got the idea that I was blaming the entire 4chan board for the trolls who raided our forum earlier this year. Nowhere did I specifically make that claim. I addressed the 4channers in a thread that I posted here simply because it was from among their members that the raiders came. During perusals of their sports board, I noticed that several of the members actually posted with the message that FM should be left alone; and one of their members even complimented me, which compliment I consider to be an honor.

No, no, no, Nick. I was NOT saying that YOU would have displayed FM s contact info. My criticism was directed ONLY at those who actually did it.

Well, I must agree with you that your initial reception wasn t handled well. After being besieged by trolls who wanted to shut our website down, we weren t exactly in the best of moods. But you re right; your stance on school bullying was misrepresented. (However, if I remember correctly, you did mock bullied kids who had committed suicide. More compassion is called for with regard to this issue, since at least some suicides are linked to mental illness.) I do recognize that some kids make themselves unpopular by ridiculing other students. My younger daughter had such a classmate in one of her classes at the high school from which she graduated -- with honors, too, I m proud to say. (As a dad, I m permitted to brag about my kids because they re actually better human beings than I was at their ages. :) ) The boy was pompous and frequently ridiculed other classmates; so, yes, he eventually got bullied. But most kids who are bullied in schools definitely don t ask for it. These are the kids who mind their own business -- who are shy, lack self-confidence, too studious (!), or aren t sufficiently macho in the willfully ignorant view of some. I also agree that blackdog4444 attacked you immediately without asking you to clarify your position. She assumed you to be an enemy of this website. I wish that you had said this months ago.

I agree that this forum is not exactly friendly to all sports fans. Even the creator of this website did not intend to have such a forum. (If I had created a website of my own to provide criticism of the sports culture, it definitely would have been less in your face and more conciliatory; and it also probably would have been boring.) But was your intention a friendly one? Would you subject any sports board (of which there are too many to count) to the same standard as the one to which you have subjected our forum?

I don t mean to be unfriendly, but the question remains as to why you came to this website. (Before I continue, please remember that I did not set up this website. That fact is significant.) I check the home page, and I find no claim that the purpose of this website is to provide a forum for debate. The forum really is a ranting board. Yes, some of the members aren t friendly. But, after all, the home page says Welcome, Sports Haters! -- not Welcome, Sports Haters and Anyone Who Wishes To Defend the Sports Culture! I will say this, though: Until the raid by the 4chan trolls, critics of this website (including abusive ones, such as Samdaman) had been allowed to submit posts for a lot longer than is permitted at other websites. Incidentally, even after the troll raid, SPORTSROCK (who definitely was a hostile critic of this website) was allowed to post as long as he wanted. He was even allowed to get Sergey s goat, which he most decidedly did.

Apparently, I and other members of this forum are willing to continue to have a dialogue with you here in the Guestbook.

Incidentally, to avoid the hassle of writing a long message in the small rectangular message box of the Guestbook, I wrote this long message on a word processing composition page; and then I copied and pasted my message in said rectangular box.
Earl

Nick wrote: "(Also, Protip: If you do not want to be subscribed to things you hate, do not give out your email in public.)"

I would like to caution members not to flame someone who has given out his or her email address in public. After all, certain TROLLS might be using fake email addresses. *eye-roll*
RFan

Fat Man, actually, many problems can. My new printer was about 40 dollars, and it comes with a scanner just like yours. I was simply trying to help you. I'm trying to be civil here, if it is your wish to continue the name calling and 'verbally rip me apart,' then let it be known that it was your own choice, however, as I've shown in the past, if you wish to start a battle of words, do not be surprised when I am just as apt to say cruel things back.

I am trying to have a civil dialog with the more moderate members of your website. If you truly wish to give me reasons why sports are the root of all the evil in the world, then the floor is open. Now, are you going to show us all some of your fabled intelligence and give me a true reason, or resort to petty insults as you often do?

Plus, there are about 40 NFL teams and about as many Baseball, Hockey, and Basketball teams. At most, they employ several thousand players. Other than that, they support many fitness specialists who would possibly be without jobs were they not employed there. They also support the myriad workers who supply food and drink, and clean up stadiums after a game. They also support plastic and textile workers, because where do you think they get their helmets and uniforms? Are you honestly telling me the world would be a better place without all these jobs?

(Also, Protip: If you do not want to be subscribed to things you hate, do not give out your email in public.)
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Now Earl, I think, and just listen to me here, that you are blaming the whole of 4Chan, a board which has hundreds of thousands of posts each day, (seriously, in /b/, try to start a thread and if you do not get a post within about two seconds, you're gone.), for the actions of two hundred individuals at most.

Do you think that I would have given Fat Man's contact details away? No, I would have at most played with the idea for a few minutes and then discarded it.

And as for getting rid of Sergey, I am glad... He was a pretty bad troll. However, far too often members of this site flame mercilessly. Look at my welcome when I first joined the board. First, members quote-mined me (a tactic which they often accuse 'trolls' of doing), in order to falsely accuse me of saying all victims of bullying deserve it, when I was actually saying that most of the kids shunned by the rest of my school community were quite rude and unkind themselves. The vicious cycle of the denizens of this board attacking new members in order to make sure they're radical enough (sort of like in the French Revolution, except they killed people, instead of just fantasizing about it.) Blackdog, in an effort to preserve her mystique of the girl who doesn't conform to social norms, attacked me. Other members of your site would post insults but never speak (or type) to me directly. As well, I've seen anti-gay, anti-conservative, and anti-religion remarks. All of these were rather cruel.

I wrote this in a hurry, and the text box is small so it's annoying to try and reread my writing. If I left anything out, feel free to ask or respond.

For a board that prides itself on its love of friendly debate, I've seen very little.

(http://www.cracked.com/funny-2724-trolls/ is a good index for the different types of trolls, and has some laughs in it to boot.)

Nick

In Response to Nick:

How do you know how much printing I do?

I'm not some moron who only uses a computer to go to sports web sites to look at the pictures.

So, don't presume to know what I need or don't need!

And unlike most drooling morons, I'm not made of money!

Here in the USA, we see more and more intelligent people forced to live in poverty while drooling morons have most of the money because they chase balls.

You're a moron!

You think all problems can be solved by buying our way out of them!

So, shut the fuck up!


Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Nick, there's another comment I'd like to make in addition to those that I made below just minutes ago. And this is not a criticism of you.

As rude as FM can be, there's something that he would never do to you or anyone else. If he had your full name, your mailing address, and your phone number, he would never post them on a webpage (as some of the 4chan trolls did at the Encyclopedia Dramatica website) that invited Internet trolls to harass you on the phone and otherwise wreck mischief. I've done some research and may have discovered Samdaman's true identity, yet I've never shared (and never will share) this information with anyone at this website simply because that would be wrong and unethical.

I'm not trying to pat us on the back. I'm just trying to help you have a little perspective. As a website we're no big deal, anyway. We're just a very small group of people who talk (mostly) to each other.
Earl

Hi, Nick.

If you're willing to scroll the Guestbook back to around the beginning of January, you'll see that when Sergey started flaming Andy and Tony (who were two respectful critics from the gridironplace website) with vile insults, I urged him to calm down; and I invited the two of them to post in the forum. Later in a forum topic when Sergey was having a heated exchange with another critic who wasn't as polite, Skul told him to calm down. Sergery no longer posts here in large part, I suspect, because I didn't support his flaming. He probably ended up resenting me.

On previous occasions I was reticent to criticize FM because I felt sorry for him, and the reason I felt sorry for him was because of the very hard and traumatic time he had growing up. I still feel sorry for him, but I'm more likely to object to his comments. I can only do so much,though, because this is not my website; I didn't set it up.

But even with all this said, there's something I should point out to you: This website is not exactly unique, as far as rude messaging is concerned. You will find it all over the Internet. Surely you've seen it yourself. Comes with the territory, unfortunately.
Earl

What I was attempting to ask was why the members of this board at the very least tolerate, and sometimes encourage Sergey's uninspired trolling efforts, yet are angry when they are, themselves, trolled. You haven't had many true trolls. A lot of them seem to be driven to it after being attacked by Fat Man. I know I was.
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Also, 1981, did you discover that part of my 'About Me' section after I pointed it out in the guestbook? Or did you figure it out on your own? If you did, mad props bro.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Fat Man, I'm trying to be civil with you here. No tit for tat, please.

I was honestly trying to help you out there. If you keep XP, especially a pirated, un updated version from five years ago, you're going to be getting a LOT of viruses. Firefox (Ha, Chrome for the win.) can't protect you from everything. Besides, what do you do that you really need to print much anyways?

Not to mention how much nicer looking and easier to use W7 is than XP. Honestly, the upgrade was the best thing I've ever done.

Plus, if you want to play any of the more modern games (think COD: Modern Warfare, onwards.) Vista and W7 handle it better than XP.

So yeah, come on Fat Man, let's be civil here. Pip pip!
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Thank you, Nick.

I never said that your true signature insulted any member of the forum. I would never deny that FM has been rude sometimes. Although we're personal friends, he and I frequently don't see eye to eye. Many of the critics of this website assume that we all think alike. That isn't so. We're quite capable of disagreeing amongst ourselves.

If I understand your last question, I think your reception as a sports critic would depend upon the website forum's members. Some are completely unreasonable, of course. Others are reasonable. Believe it or not, I once got a positive reception at www.thegridironpalace.com. (albeit not from being confrontational, but simply trying to show that some people on our side were reasonable and conciliatory). I think there is intolerance on both sides, although the sports side has a lot more power in most (but not all) situations. Don't know if that answers your question.

I appreciate this dialogue with you so far. You're showing a modicum of respect, and you're not playing games. We never "hated" you, Nick. (At least most of us didn't.) We just thought you were being disrespectful and were deliberately trying to be irritating. But this dialogue right now is fine.
Earl

In Response to Nick:

Quote:
"And Fat Man, dude, a little personal advice on the computer issue: Windows 7 is miles better than XP. If you keep XP, you're more likely to get viruses as they've stopped updating it permanently. And also, you've just gotta let it change. Get a new printer, printers are much cheaper now and better too. It'll all work out okay, don't worry bro."
End Quote:

Get a new printer? FUCK THAT!

It's a perfectly good HP Officejet J4580 All-in-One, a combination Printer, Copier, Scanner, and FAX.

It's less than 2 years old and had been working just fine! Why should I throw away a perfectly good office machine? I can't just come up with a hundred dollars or more for a new one and throw a perfectly good one away.

I don't have that kind of money! What do you think I am? A football player or a dope dealer???

Eventually I did get my Officejet to work. I had to format my C:Drive and re-install my Windows 7 again so that the new downloaded software would work.

So, fuck you!

Sorry, but Windows 7 sucks! I'm having nothing but problems with it. I can run Google Earth on Windows 7 and the free version of my GIF animator won't run on Windows 7. No I have to pay $39 dollars to register the newest version that will run.

And I'm in a bad mood right now.

Today, my IncrediMail screwed up on me, so I had to use a program called Final Uninstall which completely uninstalls
any program because it also gets rid of the registry files for a complete uninstall, then I was able to re-install as if it were a new program being installed for the first time.

But I can only un-install up to 3 programs. I'll have to pay $20 dollars to register the program if I want to use it anymore.

There is a lot of things I can't do anymore on Windows 7 that I was able to do on Windows XP.

Microsoft should be renamed MicoSCAM!!!

I wonder what else I can't do anymore!

So, you don't know what the fucking Hell you're talking about!

FUCK YOU!!!
Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Also, one last question then I'm going to bed, if I were to have called out fanatics in the 'sports debate', but on a pro-sports website, (pretending to hate sports for some reason), would I have been nearly as hated on this site by some members?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Also, a question, how did my true signature insult a member of the board?

If I remember correctly, I just quoted Fat Man insulting me and said something about "attempts at intelligent conversation with the board's biggest contributor."
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
MA US

Not the most notorious, you say? Damn Samdaman. Well, I try.

Merry christmas to you too, Earl.
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>

I don't mind at all, i_like_1981. I was tempted to respond to Nick myself.

No, Nick, you're definitely not the most notorious character who's ever posted in the forum of this website. I don't know what to make of you. Merry Christmas to you.
Earl

Hi Nick. I'm probably not going to be liked by the rest of the forum members for responding to your message, but in my opinion, you're not the most notorious character that has ever appeared on this website.

"By the way, I'm cool with you getting me banned, I_Like_1981, I wasn't really feeling that troll character anyways."

No problem. I suppose in that sense, I did you a favour. You were wasting your own time pretending to be a character you weren't keen on and you were wasting our time by pretending to be someone you're not.

Also, you do realise that you mentioned the word "Turudes" in one of your posts on the forum using your original account? Don't believe me, go and search for the term "Turudes" and you'll see where you slipped up.

"So, here I am. I caught myself up on what's going on. I see you've already found a replacement for me. How's that going?"

I think you might be referring to wibberley in this sentence but I'm not sure. Nonetheless, he's fine now, and has been reinstated on the forum thanks to me sending him an email via his banned account and building up a dialogue.

"Also, I see that you thought it might be me posting as some other /b/tard because he posted a cracked link."

I think this is referring to SensibleSportsman. That was months ago - you must have been doing a lot of reading. Nonetheless, I'd need to see more than just a Cracked link to suspect you were on the forum again doing your usual business. I just saw it as a coincidence.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

By the way, I'm cool with you getting me banned, I_Like_1981, I wasn't really feeling that troll character anyways. But yeah, I'm serious, I'd like to hear from you all. I see you still talk about me a lot. Figgered I'd stop by and chat. I was playing Minecraft, and nobody else on my server was on anymore, so I figured why don't I check out this place? Mite b cool.

So, here I am. I caught myself up on what's going on. I see you've already found a replacement for me. How's that going?

Also, I see that you thought it might be me posting as some other /b/tard because he posted a cracked link. (Cracked's a popular site, you should check it out. Pretty hilarious, actually.)

And Fat Man, dude, a little personal advice on the computer issue: Windows 7 is miles better than XP. If you keep XP, you're more likely to get viruses as they've stopped updating it permanently. And also, you've just gotta let it change. Get a new printer, printers are much cheaper now and better too. It'll all work out okay, don't worry bro. ;)
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>
Lexington, MA US

Sooooo... Just checkin' in. How's everyone doin'? I'm doing well. Still hate me or we all cool now?
Nick <nbtrano@gmail.com>

if i didn't know better, i swear that was me that wrote the introduction on your home page. i did not know there were any like minded indviduals such as yourselves.
there is nothing worse than sports in this world, except for one thing. that is people talking about sports. i hate it above measure.
thank you for making my day. keep up the good work...
lewis chappel <patch1157@yahoo.com>

Casey, your parents were absolutely wrong. But don't let them get you down. Show them how wrong they were by being successful in spite of their delusion. Living well is the best revenge.
Earl

Sports ruined my childhood. With parents convincing you that the only way to make friends and become a successful person in life is through playing sports that you hate. I hate sports and I hate practice. HATE!
Casey

I agree with almost everything on this website; however, it's not ALL sports that are inherently retarded and money-making scandals: only the competitive, corporate-owned ones like baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc that are plastered all over the television and in society. I find non-competitive sports that actually teach you how to be an individual and creative and not just another face of a unit to be exhilirating. I do parkour because it's really, really fun, not because I'm trying to be better than anyone. It also helps keep me in peak shape. And the good thing about non-competitive sports is that you can't really brag to other people, and those who are better than you can't really brag either because WHO CARES? There's no pressure, nobody screaming down your neck to do something the "right" way. That's what sports should be: things you actual take part in (not just watch like the fat bastards who "suit up" to watch the Broncos of Colts on Sunday afternoons), are fun, non-competitive, and teach you how to be unique in your own way; not just another drone.
yami <lilshaw1212@yahoo.com>
Chicago, IL United States

In response to HugeFanOfBadReligion:

Whoops!

I guess I sort of jumped the gun on that post.

Well, I was very tired last night when I posted a response to that one.

I must not have been thinking clearly.

Sorry!

Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Fat Man, again, I believe you're arguing with a person who is on your side. I think you misread his comment. He's not saying that he thinks sports are more important than saving lives, he's saying that society thinks that sports are more important than saving lives, but he disagrees with this view that society takes.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

In response to Previous Post:

Tell me Jimbo! How does sports save lives?

Having sports shoved down my throat when I was in school only served to ruin my life.

So, to all those sports fans and coaches who tried to shove sports down my throat . . .

Take your sports and shove it up your ass!

Then pull it out again and suck on it!!!

OK???
Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic Of The USA

Apparently, society says Sports > Saving lives.
Jimbo Collins <jcollins@gmail.com>
Mt. Zion, IL USA

Hi, i_like_1981. Well, the "big JIM" episode has regretfully been brought to a close. How shall we categorize our departed guest? He certainly wasn't abusive and insulting, which is the case for most of the critics of this website who actually post here. I'd say that he was an Internet clown. And I thought your concluding comment here was funny, too; and so did Mrs. Earl. (And I think you're right, too.) I now regret that I took myself so seriously and suggested that he join the forum or leave. I've changed my mind. I shall NOT delete his messages, but shall leave them for all posterity to see. As a matter of fact, if he does change his mind and return, I won't mind.

I had suspected that either you or HugeFan was the "JIM" imposter. I certainly didn't mind. After all, I seriously considered impersonating him myself. I should have done it. It would have been fun. Such is life on the Internet. Earlier someone impersonated ME on the Guestbook webpage.

This particular episode did have a humorous aspect to it. Send in teh clowns ...
Earl

Sports are for brain dead morons who are the typical everyday american!! boooo two thumbs down
steve <walton95920@yahoo.com>
chico, ca usa

I thought he wouldn't accept your invite to the forum either. That term "intelligent debate"... an incredibly alien concept to our friend JIM here. Let him run along back to his hot chicks and cold beer, but based on his incessant need to keep hounding this guestbook for two months now, they don't seem to be keeping him busy enough. Either that, or my suspected reason for all this is correct... they DON'T EXIST.

And while I'm here, I'll have you know that it was me who was the "JIM" imposter from earlier. Why not?

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Makes me kinda sad in a way ...
Earl

Good luck to you.

(I wonder what he expected or wanted to find here.)

Sincerely,
Earl

PLEASE, delete away. I've lost interest anyway. As for the forum? Never been there and really have no interest. C'ya.
JIM

I hate sports a lot! I cant stand them at all why are sports on tv so much? always freakin sports! why not air something different for the world to see? try and make our nation a bit more intelligent! I HATE ALL SPORTS!!!
Phil
Baton Rouge,

Yeah, I really can't stand the fact that colleges and high schools are spending more money on new sporting equipment, than in the academic department. It's pretty disgusting. Nice site you have here.

I was always humiliated when people at school or people in my family would ask me stuff about sports and I'd just sit there, not knowing how to answer because I had never wasted all day watching a stupid game. Then I'd get made fun of, simply because I had better things to do with my time.

Sporting events are moneymaking scams. I can't believe how many people buy into that shit.

Luckily, I'm pretty sure the Broncos are losing their asses off this season, so I haven't heard too much of it.

Cheers, and peace from Denver, Colorado.
DredgeGolgari <dredgegolgari@gmail.com>
Denver, CO US

JIM, sorry; but I have to get serious. The show must NOT go on. There have been times when you were funny. (I've been goofy, too.) It was fun for a while, but now it's gotten to be boring. The Guestbook really is not the place for extended exchanges. The forum is the place where you can do what you want to do, unless (of course) you previously posted there (under a username other than "JIM") and were banned. Insofar as banning is concerned, the people who run this website have been quite tolerant of criticism of this website (at least for the most part) and have even put up with abusive posts. (Trolling and spamming, of course, are a different matter.) Assuming that you've not been banned, you would be more than welcome to voice your criticisms of this website in the forum, which is intended for that purpose.

If you don't respond to my request by Tuesday of next week, I will start deleting whatever Guestbook entries you make because, frankly, I'm bored with this routine now; and, besides, as I've said over and over again, the forum is the place to voice your objections to the website or to simply just have fun. If you were banned on a previous occasion, PLEASE TELL ME. If you have been banned, perhaps you can be unbanned; and you'll be able to post in the forum.

But like I've just said, if you don't even answer my question as to whether or not you were banned, come Tuesday of next week, I will start deleting your Guestbook entries. Your cooperation would be appreciated. Besides, you would have more fun in the Guestbook than you do here.

I'm bored with this stuff, buddy; I'm BORED.
Earl

Well, JIM, I think you came up short on that one. Come on! I'm 60 years old, and I've help raise two daughters.

Why don't you join the forum? Were you banned under a previous username? Come on, JIM!

While I've got your attention, let me tell you a little secret. You see, we Americans all live in what is called a pluralistic society. That means that there are many different groups of people who say all sorts of things about many different things. This means that there is the very real likelihood that you are going to be -- Can you handle this revelation? -- OFFENDED by what some people. *gasp* Is that really true? Well, I'm afraid it is. The only sort of society that will provide uniformity of opinion is a totalitarian dictatorship. There, as long as you're on the right side, you're not likely to hear anyone say something that is likely to offend you. So, unfortunately, we live in this really, really, really BIG country where there are all sorts of groups of people -- some big, some small, some very small (such as this website) -- who say all sorts of things. Some of the things that these people say may strike you as being strange or unusual or -- shall I say it? -- OFFENSIVE to you. Horrors! There's something called the Constitution that guarantees all this noisy discord that can be so annoying at times. Not only that, there's another big thing called the Internet. Why, there's a website for just about EVERY point of view. There's probably a website for people who believe the planet Earth is flat. I know it's terrible that some people have the nerve to make such outlandish statements; but, you know, it really is true. There are people out there who say things that you don't like to hear or that you *gasp* DISAGREE with. (Oh, say it ain't so, brother!) Well, life goes on; and we must make the best of things that we can. That means that there's this website where sports are not appreciated as much as other people appreciate them. Why, I've also heard something that I think is absolutely terrible and heartbreaking. At this website athletes and sports may not receive a favorable hearing. *gasp* THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, I TELL YOU! THIS IS TERRIBLE! THIS IS OBSCENE! THIS IS UNPATRIOTIC; AND, BESIDES, IT'S JUST NOT NICE!! *sob* The world MUST be a fair place, and EVERYTHING must get a fair hearing. If everything doesn't get a fair hearing, then I'm going to stamp my feet and go boo-hoo. But then I notice something strange. At politically liberal websites, conservatives and conservatism don't get a fair hearing. And at politcally conservative websites, liberals and liberalism don't get a hearing. HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE? you wonder to yourself. And then like a revelation from the blue it hits you: why, politically liberal websites are for liberals, not conservatives; and politically conservative websites are for conservatives, not liberals. NOW YOU GET IT! According to fearfully told rumors, there's this website, see, for people who don't ... I can hardly say this ... they don't ... they don't ... THEY DON'T LIKE SPORTS! Wow, whew! I didn't think that I'd ever be able to say that. It's so horrible! But, alas, it's true. There ARE evil people in the world who *gasp* just don't happen to share my interest in sports. But they're just as entitled to have their own website, just like all of the other STUPID, MISINFORMED, TERRIBLE, UNPATRIOTIC alleged "humans" who have BO. (That's short for "body odor.") Finally, though, the realization has dawned upon you that there is order in the world after all. This awful website is not a threat to you, after all. It's just one facet of the complicated mosaic that is reality. You're at peace with the world and with yourself. You realize that this website with the HORRIBLE name of "sportssuck" is just someone's opinion. So, you decide that you'll just pass them by; or you will join their forum and try to outdo Samdaman BY NAILING THEIR HIDES TO THE WALL!! Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

May you have tranquility in your soul -- sole? soul? Aw, who cares?
Earl

If sports-hatters "can't get no chicks" as you say, then how do you account for the fact that many sports haters are married with wives////////

'cuz they ain't never met no honey who can clog-step to Rocky Top faster then a suckegg-mule?
JIM

I can't speak for all the other members; but, seriously, when have I ever called sports players "idiots"? You would be hard put to find any post in which I've ever called any athletes idiots, because there isn't even a single one. I've never denigrated athletic achievement in my life. Mister JIM, my dear friend, you're making a big mistake if you think the members of this website's forum all think alike. Believe it or not, we have different points of view. That's quite common among human beings, you know. I suggest you register to post in the forum so you can get to know us personally. You'll get more interaction with the members if you start posting in the forum. Just think, you'd have the opportunity to argue with individual members. Perhaps you'd be able to nail the scalps of one or more of us to the wall, rhetorically speaking (of course). Come on, buddy. Do it. What holds you back? It would be fun! It would be better than leaving messages on this goofy Guestbook webpage.
Earl

pps, ya'll call sports players "idiots" but they must be perty smart to make millions of dollars doing nothing but "chasing little balls around".

BIG, BAD J-I-M
JIM

"...Chasing a little ball around".//////

Hey lady, you'd wet your pants if you went to bat in front of a major league pitcher. I played ball when I was younger and there was a pitcher who would make people's knees shake because of his awesome power and speed. He later played in the Big Leagues. He played for the S.F. Giants for a season or two before he retired about ten years ago. His name was Doug Henry. Try to show an ounce of respect or at least pretend to admire the natural born talent of a fellow human being. A major league pitcher is BORN, not MADE. Do you even realize how difficult it is to be drafted into the big leagues? It's about as difficult as trying to become a famous actor or a famous rock star. Hey, why don't you give Willie Mays a call and ask him about the good-old days of "chasing little balls around" you sports ignorant smart-ass!

ps, Willie Mays was a baseball player, in case you've never heard of him.
JIM

A "JIM" imposter typed, ///////"Im gonna go off and have a blast watching some buff dudes in tight pants manhandle each other over a little ball!"//////////////////////

Dude, you shouldn't break everything down to it's simplest level. Example, "Hey, I heard they spent millions of dollars building a rocket and then they shot it into space and landed on some stupid rock and then men in funny suits got out and floated around like a bunch of retards. They spent MILLIONS so that they could set up a flag that no one will ever see again".
JIM

JIM, your enthusiasm is contagious. WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT?
WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT?
Earl

WOOOOOO! Im gonna go off and have a blast watching some buff dudes in tight pants manhandle each other over a little ball! This is 2010 - thats how we spend our lives now! Big JIM and his chicks know how Saturday nights are meant to be spent - acting like a moron and possibly removing yourself from the gene pool through your own stupidity! GO, TEAM, GO!
JIM

Who dat?
Earl

S.F. GIANTS 2010 CHAMPS!!! WHOs STUPID NOW?!!!! HUH?!! WHOOOOOO STUUUUUUUUUPID NOOOOOOOOOOOOOW???!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(2010 WORLD CHAMP BIIIIIIIIG JIIIIIIIIIM!!!!!!)
JIM

And, HugeFan ... I like your comment, too. I think it's funny. :)
Earl

Ah, JIM, my friend, I'm so happy that you're enjoying yourself with your chosen form of entertainment, although I do think you should watch your drinking. I would never attempt to rob you of any of your enthusiasm. You enjoy watching sporting events; I enjoy working out at my health club, building up my physique -- slowly but surely. I've got hard pecs now, and I can clench them! I find your messages to be quite amusing.

"Sports hatters." Are those like mad hatters?

"Who the heck wants to look at some naked dude?" Why, the medical doctor who's giving him a physical, that's who.

Bye for now. (Remember, don't drive while drunk.)
Earl

Ughhh, my head is pounding like a freaking sledhammer. Our team KICKED the filthy Rangers ASS last night!! WE DID IT!!! GO GIANTS! I drank at least 30 beers and couldn't find my car for a few hours until my girlfriend told me a cop drove me home after getting into a fight at a bar. It's all worth it thouh. You sports hatters dont know what your missing!

Big JIM---WE KICKED THEY ASS!!!!
JIM

"I awready bougt about $300 dollars of Giants jerseys, caps"

You know, firewood is much cheaper.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Uh, "cut and paste" ring a bell? Anyway, the artwork that I tried to share is from a 20th century realist painter named Elvgren. He painted paintings for REAL MEN! He was way better then that Micheal Angelino dork who sculpted naked dudes. Who the heck wants to look at some naked dude? Not big JIM!
JIM

Aw, come on, Fat Man. You're not supposed to take Big JIM seriously. On second thought, maybe you're not.

"Sports-hatters," is that synonymous with "mad hatters"? JIM, JIM, JIM ... unfortunately, the wonderfully lengthy, supposedly genuine webpage that you have left for us does not serve as a link. I don't even know if it is possible to post links on this Guestbook webpage. Now, if you expect us to go to the trouble of typing ALL of those characters which supposedly represent a webpage ... well, I tell ya, I ain't gonna do it because it's too much work. But welcome back, anyway. BTW, "Happy, happy Halloween! Halloween, Halloween! Happy, happy Halloween! Silver Shamrock!"
Earl

Hey little jimbo!!!

We really don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell!!! OK?

WOW! What a waste of money! So you spent $300 dollars on a bunch of sports garbage, Giants jerseys and caps, and lots of beer.

Well, you just go ahead and enjoy yourself swilling down that cheap Buckhorn beer until you pass out laying face down in your own puke!

Also . . . . .

If sports-hatters "can't get no chicks" as you say, then how do you account for the fact that many sports hatters are married with wives and raising kids? Eh?

OK, so you sports fans and jocks might get more chicks in high school, but it's usually the shallow-minded bubble-headed bimbos with the IQ of a steam iron. Then you end up getting married to cheap ugly trailer-trash sluts with missing front teeth, which explains why most of you redneck yokels prefer to make it with your young daughters instead after you have beaten your wives and screwed the pooch.

But sports hatters tend to be better educated, and married to a better class of women who make better mothers who raise the kid properly so their kids won't grow up to be losers who can only bag groceries after leaving high school.

Yeah, you sports fans and jocks get more dumb chicks in high school.

But sports hatters marry better women after going to college.

So, I hope you enjoy living out the rest of your life in your single-axle trailer home, married to a buck-tooth slut, swilling down that cheap Buckhorn beer until you're found dead at the age of 40 laying face down in your own puke.

Yeah! Have a good life!

Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Go Giants!!! My S.F. Giants are gonna go ALL THE WAY BABYYYYYYYY!!! WE'RE gonna KICK some seriuzzz AZZZZZZ!! I awready bougt about $300 dollars of Giants jerseys, caps, and not to mension TONS of COLD BEER!! Can't get no chicks with no cold beer!!! I feel sorry for you sports-hatters who can't get no chicks. No sports=no chicks! GO GIANTS!!!

Big JIM is here to WIN!!!!
JIM

In response to I_like_1981:

Yeah, maybe you're right.

I've become a bit cynical lately. And who can blame me?

Funny how so many sports fans and jocks think we're all fags and queers, when football has many homoerotic aspects to it.

Yeah! A bunch of guys running around in tight pants slapping each other on the butt!

Also, basketball is kind of light in the loafers!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I think he was saying that to point out the homoerotic overtones of rough contact sports and the irony that people who aren't interested in these sorts of games are often branded "queer", "gay" etc. I doubt he was insinuating anything about anyone here.

Best regards,
i_like_1981

In response to 6doublefive3two1:

[Quote]
"Is it possible that some guys subconsciously desire to be dominated or usurped by other males under the guise of 'teamwork'?"
[End Quote]

Only a sick and perverted masochist would have the desire to dominated or usurped by other males!

So, you're talking to the wrong crowd here!

FUCK OFF!

PACK YOUR GUCCI BAG AND HIT THE ROAD JACK!

AND DON'T COME BACK!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Is it possible that some guys subconsciously desire to be dominated or usurped by other males under the guise of "teamwork"?
6doublefive3two1 <carnesupremo@gmail.com>
Oceanside, Ca United States

You all need to download and install the Mozilla Firefox browser, and stop using Internet Explorer.

The Mozilla Firefox browser warns you when you are about to enter a web site that have a virus or malicious software.

I will never go back to using Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Yeah, I was suspicious of that link when I saw it, so I didn't go to the site. But thanks for the warning Fat Man.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Thank you, Fat Man! You've been very helpful. And you've been considerate of others.
Earl

Whoops!

Never mind!

I guess somebody deleted the post by George Steinbrenner.


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!

Do NOT go to the web site link posted by George Steinbrenner!

My Mozilla Firefox browser blocked my access to the page.

It gave me the following warning . . .

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Reported Attack Page!

This web page at www.shutupandbagmygroceries.on.nimp.org has been reported as an attack page and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.

Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.
--------------------

Of course, I do have the option to proceed to the web site at my own risk, but I clicked on the button that said [Get me out of here] and tat took me to a Firefox page.

In response to George Steinbrenner:

OK Georgie BOY!!!

The jig is up!

I'm posting this warning to protect any other forum members from going to your fucked up web site!

You have some nerve pretending to be somebody who hates sports, and then setting up a web site that has malicious software on it.

You not a real sports hater! You just pretending! You're a rotten low-life jock collaborator.

Do you know what Concentration camp prisoners did to fellow prisoners who were really Nazi collaborators???

You don't want to know!

A person pretending to be one of us fellow sports haters, but who is in reality a jock collaborator, is worse than a jock or a scum-bag sports loving piece of human garbage sports fan!

Get out of here you scum!

Hit the road Jack and don't come back!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Yeah Earl.

I have my clown suit on.

It's really big and baggy and I have it stuffed with pillows so my clown suit make me look even bigger and fatter.

When I'm wearing my clown suit, I can't even get through the door!

Have you also got your clown suit on?
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Well, what do you know ... it IS you, JIM! Welcome back for more laffs. (Yes, this IS Earl, not an imposter.)

Fat Man, I hope you've got your clown costume on now.
Earl

Heckofa situtation that miner story huh?
I'm a MAN! I couldn't go no two months without no hot chicks! Women get all excited when I'm around them because I'm so hot. I'm just saying...I'd want to be the first out of that mine so that I could get some sweet tang ASAP.
What do they do 'bout the games on TV that they missed? Now THAT'S traggic!
JIM

For the record, it is me being ironic (and silly).
Earl

I think there is a lot of identity theft occurring here in the guestbook right now. I could be wrong, but unless Earl is just being ironic, there are 4chan memes put in Earl's last two posts, such as spelling "the" as "teh", and "laugh" as "laff". Again, I could be wrong and Earl is just being ironic or maybe they are just largely coincidental spelling errors.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I guess your right Earl.

This jim, or big jim is just another Bozo!

Yeah! Send in the clowns!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Aw, he don't bother me none. He's just an Internet clown. You should don your clown shoes and put on your clown nose and join in the fun. And don't forget to put on your face paint, like you did the last time. How many times do I have to tell you? I've already got some creamy pies and my squirt gun loaded. We need some laffs. The show must go on. Send in teh clowns!
Earl

Aw forget it Earl!

This jim, or big jim (notice I refuse to capitalize his name) is just some wet-behind-the-ears little punk recently out of diapers who gets his kicks out of masturbating with his keyboard!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Greetings, JIM (whoever you are). Are you the same JIM who submitted messages below, or are you someone else who is presuming to take over the cherished role of "JIM"? Assuming that you are not the same JIM (who certainly was an amusing fellow and a charming gentleman), I must say that having or not having "chicks" is not a problem that I happen to currently experience in my life, as I've been happily married to a "chick" for over 30 years. (When we stared having children, she didn't lay eggs, though.) And although I never played football before (simply because I never had an interest in this most notable sport), I do work out at my health club four times a week on a bodybuilding program. Yes, I am a confirmed gym rat. Who knows, I might even end up as a narcissist. (Well, not really, since I do have a sense of humility.) I like to occasionally slap my pecs because they're hard now. Ah, what a topsy-turvy world we live in! I know who I am, but I don't know who you am. I have no way of knowing that you are what you say you are. Perhaps you aren't one of the big boys. Perhaps you're a keyboard kommando, a lonely nerd in search of a victim. No, I take that back. I mean someone who is, as the 4chan trolls like to say, OUT FOR JUSTICE! If so, I tremble in my sweatsocks and sneakers. (Well, I often walk about the house in my bare feet. I've even been known to stub my toes.) I don't even have any way of knowing whether you are the original JIM or if I should regard you as JIM The Second. Oh, well, it really doesn't matter. Since I sometimes take myself too seriously, I'm almost always ready to have a good laugh; and I don't happen to suffer from coulrophobia, which is defined as "an abnormal or exaggerated fear of clowns." Now, see, aren't you glad that you came back to this highly esteemed and much appreciated and honored website to check out the Guestbook again? Why, you've learned a new word! I would hope that you would welcome every opportunity to broaden your vocabulary for the purpose of making yourself a more cultured gentleman. Yes, it makes me proud to know that I have contributed to someone's education. Anyway, I do love the circus. I really do. So, I say ... Send in teh clowns!
Earl

Oh my!!!

We have another pathetic little jimbo pretending to have a pair of balls.

Oh! I am so impressed!

Yeah! Get outta here little girl!

Pack your pretty pink little Gucci bag and . . .

HIT THE ROAD!!!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I don't feel sorry for some kid who ain't man enough to make it with the big boys! I'm a tough guy and I ain't got no time for no little wimp who's skinny with glasses and can't even play no football. You sissies need to MAN UP 'cuz chicks don't like no sissys!!! I'm into drinking beer and kicking ass and I'm running low on beer.!

I'm BIG JIM (Man up or take it like a man, ya wimps!)
JIM

Sports develope overly competetive people. In highschool if you didnt play sports, you didnt have friends. I hate sports. They are illogical. I run after a ball and get the pissed smashed out of me, ooooo thats impressive. Glad to find others who feel the same. $%^& Sports especially football. Football players think they are above everyone else. They are nobody special. I love this site.
Erik Krantz
Warren, PA USA

Ugggg i hate my brother because hes obsessed with basketball!!!!! I hate how he is always talking and trying to relate everything to basketball!
Evan Crawford <actordude97@aim.com>
MI US

Thanks, JIM, for not being a flamer.
Earl

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(How I wish I could use Smilies in the Guestbook!)

My, my ... it looks like you've been stranded somewhere without any transportation. I should call AAA. Are all the farm animals inside? It sure looks crowded in there! You certainly don't have any room for all dem ... ahem, HOT CHICKS. (Speaking of hot chicks, when I finish typing this up, I'm going to drive over to the nearest Chick Fil-A to purchase food for myself and my wife. I really am.)

As I just recently had an encounter with the most unpleasant character I've ever met online (at another website) who is possibly the biggest jerk in the universe, I sincerely thank you for providing badly needed comic relief. You've made my day!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Earl

That's mighty kind of ya Earl. In fact I'd like to invite you and The Fat Man over to my home for a few cold ones. You can bring your wife and The Fat Man can bring his favrite farm animal of choice. Here's a pic. of my home. It don't look like much but insides pretty dern cozy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/ 3354/ 3411386836_ 2dd511e0bc_z.jpg
JIM

I've got to give you credit for being funny and honest. *thumbs up*
Earl

Do those three young ladies comprise your harem, or is your relationship only with the picture itself?
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Yah, even BIG JIM can't get CHICKS that are THAT hot to visit the Trailorhood, not without a large rubber mallot and a fifth of Wild Turkey.
JIM

*Uh ... what am I going to ask him now? Let me see ...*

I don't see any chickens in the picture, alive or fried. All I see are three nice, young, attractive ladies dressed somewhat immodestly. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but I must ask you the following question: Do those three young ladies comprise your harem, or is your relationship only with the picture itself?
Earl

http://www.ecollo.com/image.axd?picture=matrix-fdgfdgdfg.jpg

Big JIM's CHICKS!
JIM

BIG JIM gets his "hot CHICKS" at Chick Fi-LAY. *ka-ching!* :o)
Earl

BIG JIM is another Scott Steiner, who claims that he has broken Wilt Chamberlain's record of sleeping with more than 10,000 women. *giggle*
Earl

Texas gave us some mightyyy fineeeeeeeee mooooosicians though. Stevie Ray Vaughn, ZZ Top, Johnny Winter, Edie Brickell..to name just a few that BIG JIM likes. Actually, I hate ZZ Top. BIG JIM likes Skynyrd, hot CHICKS and COLD BEER!! Outta my way I got tang to get at!!!

BIG J!
JIM

NOTICE!!!

OK, in my previous Guestbook post, I made some references to "right-wing Chistard Funny-mentalists" and I understand that some Christian readers might be offended.

So, let me clarify what I mean here. OK?

I'm NOT saying that all Christians are "Christards".

Copernicus, Galileo, Johannes Kepler, and Isaac Newton were Christians and there were obviously brilliant scientists and mathematicians.

So, when I refer to "Christards" I'm only referring to right-wing whack-jobs like Pat Robertson, Don McLeroy, and that psycho bitch Becky Fischer with her Jesus Camp where children were being brainwashed.

I know a lot of good Christians who do not fall under that category. OK?

But when I say anything in reference to people like Pat Robertson, Don Mcleroy, and Beckey Fischer, etc. etc. then I'm going to call them Christards!

OK?


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

In response to jim:

First of all, I hate Texas, because Texas sucks, especially El Paso, it sucks worst of all! El Paso is a scum-bag sports-obsessed donkey fucking redneck town!

I call Texas the Banana Republic of The USA because Texas is becoming more and more like a third world dictatorship.

Recently, our Texas State Board of Education (Indoctrination) had voted on textbooks that will be used in our high schools for the next 10 years, and Texas buys up more textbooks than all the other states and we have an influence on the kinds of textbooks purchased by the other states, so as Texas goes, so goes the rest of the nation.

Unfortunately, because of the choices made by the Texas Board of Indoctrination, Texas is going to drag the rest of the USA down into the academic gutter!

Don McLeory, one of the board members wants to insert Creationism into the school science textbooks, and he wants Thomas Jefferson removed from the history texts because Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. But he wasn't an atheist either, he was a Deist, he just wasn't a Christian.

I'm not a Christian either, but more of a Deist instead, sort of like Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin were Deists.

Anyway, Don McLeory wants Thomas Jefferson replaced by John Calvin who a few centuries ago had people tortured to death in the name of his religion.

So, the Texas Board of Indoctrination wants to rewrite history, and insert Creationist fairy tails into the science textbooks to eventually replace Darwin's Theory of Evolution.

The USA is also becoming more like a Banana Republic because we have all these right-wing whack-jobs, these Christard Funny-mentalists like Pat Robertson of his 700 Club wanting to influence our politicians, and we have another Whacked out Christard psycho bitch like Becky Fischer and her Jesus Camp brainwashing children.

There is a series of nine videos on YouTube, about a summer camp for children where little kids are being brainwashed and indoctrinated. This is some real scary shit!

Here is a link to the first video in a series of nine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

You can't click on it, you have to copy and paste it to your browser.

In the second video of the series of nine, we see a brainwashed child being home schooled who says he believes that Galileo "made the right choice" by giving up science for Christ.

BULLSHIT!!!

No! What actually happened was, that The Roman Catholic Church, the Holy Office, and the Inquisition brought charges of heresy against Galileo and threatened him with torture. He was not actually tortured, but was merely threatened with the possibility or torture, and he was interrogated for many long hours until he broke down and signed a confession recanting his convictions that the earth and all the planets revolved around the sun. At the time, Galileo was an old man, going blind, and he was eventually sentenced to spend the remainder of his life under house arrest.

But the kid in the video has been brainwashed into believing that Galileo gave up science for Christ.

Galileo didn't give up shit! He had it all take away from him!

And besides, Galileo was always a Christian, he didn't give up science for Christ, he was always a Christian. It's just that he didn't accept everything in the Catholic Church doctrine. According to Catholic Church doctrine, the earth was the center of the cosmos, and Galileo proved them wrong, thus he was punished for it.

So, we have these right-wing Funny-mentalist Christard whack-jobs wanting to change how history is being taught and wanting to insert their Creationist fairy tails into high school science textbooks.

Thanks to our Texas Board of Indoctrination, we are really fucked up now.

That's why I hate Texas. Our state is run by redneck whackos who probably have sex with barnyard animals.

We are losing our basic freedoms, and our right to intellectual and academic freedom.

That's why I call Texas "Texass" instead, and that's why I call Texas The Banana Republic of The USA, because my fucked up state is becoming more like a dictatorship.

And this thing about the "PLOW BOY Magazine" well, that was a satire I saw in the National Lampoon Magazine many years ago back in the 1970s. National Lampoon is no longer published.

I hope that explains all the references I made in my earlier Guestbook post.

Now, go way jimbo! You bother me!

Go masturbate to photos in you PLOW BOY Magazine and shut the fuck up!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I once heard that there is a Redneck magazine coming out called PLOW BOY!

That's about his speed!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA//////////

1) You're from El Paso, Texas
2) You spell Texas with "ass" at the end and make mention of a certain "banana".
3) You made an effort to remember that "Plow Boy" magazine will soon be coming out.

Anything you wanna tell us?
JIM

Good evening anonymous.

Nah! jim just likes to masturbate while looking at photos of barnyard animals!

I once heard that there is a Redneck magazine coming out called PLOW BOY!

That's about his speed!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

For a gUy who Claims to Keep On getting Fantastic Frivolous tang, JIM sure spends a lot of time on this website.
A certain user of the forum who will remain anonymous

Haha!
HugeFanOfBadReligion

*ka-ching!* (nite klub laffs) :o)
Earl

/////I told her she looked like a two-bit whore and she clobbered me with her purse!

It was full of quarters!
/////////////////////

Let's hope she knocked some cents into you.
JIM

Hey jimbo bubbah booey!

The other day I ran into one of your sluts on the street.

I told her she looked like a two-bit whore and she clobbered me with her purse!

It was full of quarters!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

... "old and nasty like in your 30s and 40s"? J-I-M, you're such a silly boy. As far as getting, well, you know ... haven't you ever heard of M-A-R-R-I-A-G-E? As one who hasn't been single in 30 years, all I can say is ... hey, wait a minute. I think I've already said this -- "Been there, done that." And as far as Tang is concerned, I'm afraid I can't drink that, being a diabetic and all. Too much sugar. Please tell us, J-I-M, as inquiring minds want to know: JUST HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE YOU HAD? Have you had more women than Scott Steiner? I've gots to know! And keep dem laffs a-comin'!
Earl

Hahaha. It really is nice to have a comedian here on this site to give us some humour.
HugeFanOfBadReligion
Canada

Life is for the young. You can always get smart later with books and stuff but when you get all old and nasty like in your 30s and 40s you can't expect to get no tang. Thats just the truth, you know?
JIM

Are you serious? I can get almost any 'tang' I want 'cuz that's how BIG JIM gets it done! Maybe you'd get more action if you played a little ball instead of sitting around reading a bunch of stupid books and stuff. Books never got no one no tang that's why people who read books are so edjucated because they can't spend time with no tang. Ouch, bet THAT stang! LOL
JIM

Hey jim or "jum"!!!

The only "Tang" you've ever had or ever going to get is the instant orange drink by the same name!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

http://www.savejapandolphins.org/ quickfacts.php

Sign the petition to end dolphin killing in Taiji, Japan

Peace

"Jim"
JIM

So JIM ain't wanted 'round here no more? Whatever. JIM's got honeys to bag.

Are there any CHICKS in the forum? No since going to no forum if there ain't no CHICKS. Gotta have CHICKS!

You clowns are on yer own, JIM's got babes to take care of.

JIM!
JIM

Fat Man, you've changed your mind.

Okay, guys, if that's what you want. (This is funny and I'm amused.) In about two days I will delete all of JIM's messages and all of our responses to him.

JIM, it doesn't have to end here. You can always register to post in the forum. Too bad you don't know Samdaman. :wink:
Earl

In response to nameless.

Yeah, a person who actually hates sports, but who is pretending to be a sports bore and pretending to hate nerds and geeks while pretending to love sports, such a person is actually worse then the real obnoxious sports fan who hates us for being anti-sports.

I would much rather deal with the genuine article than to deal with a phoney.

So, jim or "jim" can just pack his Gucci bag and hit the road!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I personally think JIM, or should I say "JIM", should go and get bent. He's wasted enough of our time already and tried to agitate people on here, and now he's choosing to tell us that he really hates sports? Is this guy for real?
A certain user of the forum who will remain nameless

NO!! DON'T GO AWAY! PLEASE DON'T SHUT UP. WE WANT MORE!

(Seriously, some of us are more unpredictable in our views than you would think. You may not believe it, but some of us are not haters of people. Far from it. You're always welcome to leave messages here or, even better, to post in the forum.)
Earl

Yeah, Earl's on to me. I actually hate sports. I'll shut up now. :o)

"JIM"
JIM

I'm not sure he's really "sports trash." I think he's just an Internet clown who wants to have fun.
Earl

Nah! Don't delete anything. Just leave it up.

We all could use a few laughs.

Also, when other guests come here, they can see what kind of morons we have to put up with on our anti-sports forum.

People need to see just how idiotic and moronic and low class sports trash can be.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I meant to say "along with all of our responses TO them." My mistake. :)
Earl

i_like_1981, I was the one who deleted those comments of JIM's. He's not agitating me at all. He's just an online clown, which brings me to the following question ...

Do any of you want me to pull the plug on this clown show? This means that I would delete ALL of his comments, along with all of our responses them. I'm willing to do this, if that's what you-all want me to do. Let me know either on this Guestbook webpage or by PM. It's up to you.
Earl

I think JIM is just trying to get some agitated responses by pretending to have crap spelling. Most of his comments which were deleted actually had pretty decent spelling (which I've preserved in text format for anyone who wants to see them again). But his "all about the chicks" rhetoric is still incredibly boring.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

I wanna see Bozo!
Earl

jim is a clown! A real Bozo!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I think "JIM" is just being silly. I wanna laugh. Send in the clowns!
Earl

Yeah jim! Too fucking band that you can't go back in a time machine (NOT masheen, but machine) and hit the books and study harder so you could learn how to spell, ya moron!!!

And NO, we are NOT 'jeolous' or jealous because many nerds and techno-geeks who studied hard in school and went on to college to earn a degree in science, most of them are married now.

Most scientists, Astronomers, Physicists, Biochemists, Paleontologists, etc. etc. are happily married and are raising children.

These guys are married to decent intelligent women and NOT to cheap buck-tooth sluts like most of you sports fans.

So, you may just go back to your singer-axle trailer home, and back to your text browser with the green or amber screen, or watch sports on your black & white TV set with the coat-hanger antenna, swill down the cheap Buckhorn beer and just SHUT THE FUCK UP!

ya got that? jimbo!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

"Meant" not "meat". Talk about a Feurdian slip. LOL
JIM

I meat 'jeolous'. whatever.
JIM

I'll admit, if I could go back in time in a time masheen I would've read more books but then again all the time I spent on sports inabled me to get all the chicks. Don't be jelless.
JIM

I don't think you can. Besides, he provides comic relief.
Earl

Good evening I_like_1981

Let's all agree not to capitalize jim's name anymore.

NOT even the first letter in his name!

I wanna really piss him off!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I for one just wish JIM would shut the fuck up about his stupid chicks whose vocabulary probably doesn't go beyond "handbags", "nails" and "money" and actually make a damn point. Does he think his hyper-hetero attitude means anything at all on the internet and that it's anything more than just words? I doubt it.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Good evening Earl.

Yeah, I get the joke about peep shows or looking at chicks.

Well, as we all know, there are two different kinds of chicks, either sexy young gals, or the barnyard variety of chicks that go Peep! Peep! Peep!

So, I'm assuming that jimmy boy likes to make it with the latter variety.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

JIM and Fat Man:

This whole exchange is silly. lol (I assume both of you got my joke about "peep" shows. You know, nudity or worse vs. newly hatched chicks. At least I hope so.)
Earl

Yeah, jimmy boy likes to make if with barnyard fowl.

he thinks that he's the cock of the walk!

(Notice I didn't capitalize "he" in the beginning of the previous sentence.)

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Is this what you mean by a peep show?
Earl

...all 'bout the chicks.
JIM

Hello again Mike.

Here is a link to a YouTube video, a cartoon of a redneck version of Carl Sagan's COSMOS edited for rednecks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_OehRLH3s

I don't know if we can click on links posted here, so you'll probably have to copy and paste the link to your browser.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I recall an SCTV sketch where they lampooned Carl Sagan and Cosmos. It was pretty funny...oh yea...SPORTS SUCK!!!!
Mike

Good afternoon Mike.

Yeah, I remember Jack Horkmeir's Star Hustler on PBS, but it was usually less than a half hour long.

I would like to see the Super Bowl game interrupted on all channels by a COSMOS marathon with all 13 episodes of Carl Sagan's COSMOS being shown.

But then of course, the redneck sports fans getting drunk in the sports bars will just get all pissed off, go home and beat their wives and kids, rape their daughters, screw the pooch, and give the parakeet and the gold fish cause for alarm.

We don't want to be the cause of any more violence.

Maybe we should just let the big cry-babies have their ball games.

Yeah, I know! It really sucks!

No! Wait a minute!

It really make no difference. Even if the games aren't interrupted and even if their favorite team wins the big game of the season, they will still come home, beat their wives and kids, rape their daughters, and screw the pooch.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Here ya go Fat Man...interrupt the Super Bowl with 'Jack Horkmeir..Star Hustler"....HAHAHAHAHA!!
Mike

Hello again Mike.

Actually sports fans don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell about anything else. Sports is all they care about.

So, how can they possibly miss what they don't care about anyway?

Hey, it would be even more hilarious if all the TV screens in a sports bar went blank, and all of a sudden the Phil Harmonic Orchestra appeared, or some science documentary on Astronomy and the latest discoveries by the Hubble telescope appeared, or perhaps re-runs Carl Sagan's COSMOS appeared instead.

Now that will really make all those redneck sports fans piss in their pantaloons!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Sports fans do not know what they are missing.. While all of the sports obsessed zombies were watching football Sunday afternoon, I was enjoying "The Last Waltz" on VH-1 Classic..Somebody should figure out a way to JAM ABC's frequency with VH-1 Classic on Sunday afternoon. Imagine this, you are sitting at a sports bar on Sunday afternoon. Lets say that you are there because you are starving and had to get something to eat. The big game is on between Dallas and Kansas City. They begin to interview one of the illiterate thugs that play for Dallas, then all of a sudden the signal goes blank and Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson appear rockin' out to "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"..I would start laughing my ass off, and all of the sports zombies would start to panic like it was 9/11 all ovwer again..
Mike

Hey Fat Man... it is starting to get even WORSE!!!!...they are now playing HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL on my favorite rock station here on the radio!!!!!...There is NO WAY IN HELL that would've happened 30 years ago!!!
Mike

Good evening Mike.

Yes, I remember a long time ago, when football was on during Sunday afternoons,but then late Sunday evening we would get our movies.

I have Cable TV and there are plenty of sports channels. Why do they have to pre-empt regular programming on any of the other channels.

Even the Science Fiction Channel shows wrestling, and SPIKE TY which is suppose to be for movies, they have added more and more sports programming.

Eventually, sports will take over the National Geographic Channel, the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, and TLC The Learning Channel.

I really hate it when my favorite crime fighting program America's Most Wanted gets pre-empted for a stupid game.

Does sports have to take over everything?

No, don't tell me, let me guess.

The answer is, yes!

Like, there is nothing else in the world but sports.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Well guys, here we are....the beginning of another NFL Season, you know, that great time of the year when everything gets preempted on Sunday for a damn game..It is funny how I do not recall that happening when I was a kid during the late 70's-early 80's...

SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL....BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!...bring back the Sunday Night Movie...
Mike

Good evening Mike.

Yes, real men love to cook!

Actually, it was men who invented cooking.

About a 100,000 years ago, when our ancestors lived in caves or huts, they were hunters and gatherers.

The women would go into the forest to gather roots and berries and nuts, whatever wild fruits and vegetables they could find.

The men would go hunting for game and bring back meat and the men would build the fires and roast the meat over the fire, so it was men who invented cooking.

Then our ancestors learns to domesticate animals and plat crops, thus farming and agriculture was invented, and women began cooking as well as men.

But I have know many women who will tell you that men are better cooks. Most women actually admit to this.

Our most famous chefs are men.

I know I enjoy cooking myself. I love making up a great bit pot of beef stew, chopping up the meat and the vegetables and making the gravy.

I love to cook!!!

Ever know a fat man who couldn't cook?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Hey Fat Man.....that was pretty funny..Actually your post makes me think of a something. You mention how most sports fans are rednecks that keep their woman chained to the stove. I can definately see that, because most sports fans do not know jack squat about cooking.. It always pisses me off when I see some bozo with a "Hogs" or "Gators" t-shirt on just "Grillin'" away...

Real men actually cook on a stove and will not ignore a lady because some stupid gay-ass football game is on..
Mike

Sorry Mike, but I must beg to differ with you.

Most jocks keep their women tied up to the bed posts when they go out so nobody can move on their chicks.

And most sports fans are rednecks who keep their women barefoot and pregnant and chained to the stove.

Especially during football season.

My idea of football season is hunting football players and mounting their heads on wall plaques.

OK! JUST KIDDING! I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT SHOOTING ANYBODY!

No need to worry about me. I'm harmless. I haven't killed anybody since breakfast.

OK?

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Well fellow sports haters, the time has come , and that time is college football. Use this to your advantage this weekend as a chance to pick up and meet a lot of fine women. Their boyfriends will be mesmorized and brainwashed by the games on TV that they will not even notice if you take their chick home with you...
Mike

I hate sports so much that just hearing a word like "football" gives me a headache. It's nice to know others feel the same way. Baseball is by far the dumbest sport. As a child, I wasted many beautiful sunny afternoons standing in a baseball outfield getting sunburned. I wish I could have realized what a complete waste of time it was. It was hard to make my own decisions at that age with all the indoctrination and propaganda surrounding sports in the community and on tv. Baseball is a game where 90% of the time NOTHING IS HAPPENING! Why do we push this game on kids so much? It teaches them nothing. I just don't get it. I would love to edit a major leage game down to just the action parts. It would be about 10 minutes long! America's pastime? How the hell did that happen? Pretty stupid pastime! Ha ha ha!
Too smart for sports.
Minneapolis, MN USA

Watching sports is like watching paint dry. It's also like being served up a plate of Fail Fries slathered in Double Mild Weak Sauce with a side order of SUCK!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Sports should only be for recreational activities not that overrated crap people put too much emphasis into.
Miguel Epistola <Jamzclub86@yahoo.com>
Sicklerville, NJ USA

Quote: "Don't get your fat head stuck in the door as you leave." End Quote

Actually, jocks and sports fans are pin-heads who need to wear prosthetic foreheads to make them look more human.

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

"Sports are kick ass, you nerds should just get a life and quit your bitching."

Oh yes, it is the usual eloquent, well-supported argument I've come to expect from you 4channers this year. Why the need to use the name "Tom Hanks"? Trying to elevate yourself to the status of somebody important because you consider yourself worthy of everyone's attention? Whatever.

Sports are NOT kick-ass. They're a load of overblown tripe which for some reason have become a sort of worldwide religion over the last 100 years or so. And for some reason, people who don't indulge in this wonderful pastime of spending weekend afternoons watching men chase each other or throw balls around deserve to become the subjects of harassment which has happened to our website many a time.

Face it, you sports fans come on here attacking us with mere insults because you really know no better. You have absolutely no solid cases against our opinions and can't give us a reason regarding why we are so wrong and socially disgraceful for not sharing your interest in these overhyped play games. You're never going to take down this site so just give up. Go watch your stupid games. Go throw money at something that really shouldn't be where it is in the modern society. It's not people like us that are what's wrong with the world. It's people like you - those who have absolutely no regard whatsoever for those with conflicting opinions and believe that everyone has to conform to their ideals. Get over yourself.

Don't get your fat head stuck in the door as you leave.

Best regards,
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England,

Touche, HugeFan! :lol:
Earl

"Sports are kick ass, you nerds should just get a life and quit your bitching."

I love that logic. That was one of the most intelligent cases I've seen in my life. In fact, I've just contacted the Nobel Prize Committee to nominate you for the prize in all categories. I'm sure they'll notice your genius as much as I do.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Excuse me Earl

But did you notice Tom Hanks E-mail address?

banned@4chan.org

We don't need to be raided and harassed by any of those zoo-tramps from 4chan again as we were earlier this year.




Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Jocks are KISS-ASS and you sports-tards need to accept the fact that we are not interested in your fucking retarded Kindergarten games!

Sorry, but we're not interested in watching a bunch of drooling moronic monkey-boys in tight pants chasing a ball. That is so fucking gay! Chasing a ball! I can teach a dog to do as much.

DUH! HUH! HUH! HUH! I CAN KICK A BALL! Oh yeah? Really? Like, I could give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell!!!

Excuse me sir, but you must have me confused with somebody who gives a fuck!!!
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Join the forum and present your case.
Earl

Sports are kick ass, you nerds should just get a life and quit your bitching.
Tom Hanks <banned@4chan.org>
Hoboken, NJ USA

Concerning the issue of people having disagreeable online personalities: Fat Man is not exactly the only website poster who is strident and, yes, capable of making hateful statements (with which I disagree, by the way). The Internet is full of such people. Should Fat Man be singled out above them all? By the way, has Fat Man ever posted anyone's mailing address and phone number online for the purpose of subjecting that person to harassment? Does Fat Man make crank calls late at night? Does he order unwanted subscriptions for people with whom he disagrees or dislikes? Those who have subjected Fat Man to precisely this sort of harassment are, in fact, LOWER than he is. Being a human being, Fat Man has character flaws, just like everyone else (including yours truly). I have problems with many of Fat Man's posts, but I don't feel the need to go on a campaign against him (as some people have) so I can take pride in myself and say, "Wow! I confronted Fat Man. That means I'm someone special." I'm not saying you have this attitude, Drew; but most of those who have been obsessed with Fat Man's shortcomings apparently have a strong need to massage their egos.
Earl

Hahaha, Whatever 1981. I don't care if you think I'm not credible, but I *am* right. Fat Man is extremely difficult to reason with and even when you can get through to him, it's just barely. Certainly you can accept this, whether you like me or not.
Drew Mcintyre

To be honest, Drew, I don't really see what gives you the right to come onto our website and constantly keep criticising the behaviour of our long-term members. You're certainly not someone who I'd trust. Someone who comes on here under a false guise, pretending to be one of us after deceiving the admins into validating his account and then doing loads of stupid posts trying to see how many references you can throw in to your wrestling "hero" who you named your internet moniker after. After months of this stupid shit happening to us, people obviously taking pride in how far they can push their luck on this forum, you wonder why people get pissed off with you and don't want to listen to a word you say. Why should we trust you? I mean, it's all right if you want to criticise the website but at least be direct. Don't start throwing a load of stupid crap at us first if you want us to listen to you and don't expect to be shown any regard when your true purpose is discovered.

I'm sick of you fucking trolls coming onto our website and acting like you own the fucking place. I'm sick of you thinking that you have the right to piss people off on the forum and waste our time on there and then have the audacity to criticise the behaviour of any member on here once you're banned. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who signs on as a new member, starts spamming the forum, gets banned and then starts to make so-called "valid" charges against us should really just sod off. You're no genuine critic. You're just one of those trolls who thinks he owns the internet and can do whatever he damn well pleases anywhere he wants. Sorry, doesn't work like that!

You 4channers and trolls act as if we harbour some of the worst people in the world here. You constantly take time to gripe at us and say how terrible we are to the world. Why don't you fucking look at yourselves in the mirror? Look at what trolling and online harassment has done to people. It's driven some people to their death; done far worse things to people than anything anyone here has done. We know about your sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica and what they've done and continue to do to the people they humiliate, so you really have no damn right at all to start acting like the moral compass on here!

As far as I'm concerned, anyone linked to 4chan and ED who comes on here thinking they've got any right to criticise our behaviour and tell us how we should behave on our website, well, you can certainly expect no fucking regard from me and hopefully nobody else on here either!

Have a nice day.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

In response to Drew McIntyre (or is that Drool McIntyre)

You're damn right I'm fucked up in the head!!!

It comes from getting beaten too many times, and getting raped back when I was 17 years old.

It comes from not being allowed to get a decent education and having sports shoved down my throat.

Well, you can take sports and shove it up our ass sideways for all I care.

Fuck you very much, and have a nice day!

Now, go eat shit, crawl into a sewer, and DIE!

OK?


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I wouldn't even bother trying to talk some sense into Fat Man. The man is just too fucked up in the head to be reasoned with. He's blind to his own hypocrisy.
Drew McIntyre

OK, I acknowledge that NOT ALL athletes are dumb jocks. Earl has given many examples of that.

But I have not been fortunate enough to meet any athletes who were not dumb jocks.

I'm sorry, but every single one that I have had the misfortune to meet were unmitigated ass-holes!

So, it's very hard, if not impossible for me to have any respect for sports people.

But bullies or not, I feel that they are all overpaid for just chasing balls and over-privileged, being able to get away with all kinds of crimes, while I was once suspended from school just simply because I failed to climb a stupid rope in a gymnasium.

Never mind that I was passing all of my other academic subjects, and never mind that I had a crippled up left knee, the result of an accident when I was 4 yours old, leaving me unable to run like the other kids in my school and walking with a limp.

Oh no! Sports and PE was more important than science, history, or math.

Sports was all they cared about in the schools I went to.

Sorry, but I have been beaten over the head too many times, and the part of my brain that would enable me to be polite to sports people has been badly damaged.

So, as a result, when I see sports people, I can not suppress the urge to tell them to . . . . .

FUCK OFF AND DIE!!!



Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Yes Sarah, like 1981 said, there is a between jocks and athletes. I have been good friends with several athletes who I know are intelligent, independent thinkers. I have also known several jocks who are dumber than you could imagine and treated me along with other people who succeed academically like we aren't human. I recognize the fact that there are in fact smart athletes, however there are also a large amount of jocks who are not even remotely smart.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Alright Sarah, let's set you straight on a few facts here. I try my best to distinguish between athletes and "jocks" in the forum. Whenever I mention the term "jock", I'm not applying it to all athletes, but the minority who do fit the negative stereotype of being dumb, abusive and intolerant of those with differing opinions. If I believed all sports people were like this, which I don't, then I wouldn't have used the term "jock", but applied it to all athletes instead. There is a difference between an athlete and a jock, and I know which is which. I'll make some examples of athletes and jocks on our forum. Athletes are people with a keen interest in sports. Yes, some can be abusive, but they are the ones I refer to as "jocks". Normal athletes, such as our members Polite24, Andy and SportsGuy92, are not like that and are somewhat intelligent and polite in their approach to this forum. Now here are some jocks who have posted on our forum: Samdaman, SPORTS ROCK., mikejones and Captain America. Go and check out their posts and you will see why I find it important to make the distinction between "athletes" and "jocks".

I was always under the impression that over in America, "jocks" were the abusive athletes and it was not a term used for all of them. If I am wrong in this assumption, please let me know.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England,

Oh! And another thing . . .

I resent people like Don McLeroy (who was recently voted off the Texas State Board of Education) wanting to rewrite history by removing Thomas Jefferson from the text books and also wanting fuck up the science curriculum in our schools inserting creationism into a science class.

Yeah! This is what Texas is all about.

Sports and removing science from our schools and teaching fairy tales!

By keeping young people ignorant, and shoving sports down their throats, they hope to produce another generation of morons who will gladly fork over their money toward sports to make retarded monkey-boys rich while living in single-axle trailer homes, watching sports on their black & white TV with coat hanger antennas, drinking cheap Buckhorn beer and beating the crap out of their kids and raping their wives.

Ah yes! Ignorance is bliss!


Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

When Sarah said that she was appalled and my "abusive behavior" toward the employees of the sports center, well . . .

When they wanted to charge $3.25 dollars just for a small cup of ice water and handicapped people sitting in power chairs can't reach the water fountain for free water like so-called "normal" people so that we cripples have to pay for water while so-called "normals" drink for free, then . . .

I don't have to be polite to Nazi scum who discriminate against the handicapped.

Do I have to be nice to the KKK or to Neo-Nazi skinheads?

FUCK NO!

So, I'm a bigot because I hate morons?

In school I was beaten and bullied around by sports morons, and now sports morons what lots of money just for being morons, and charge handicapped people $3.25 just for some water.

Sports morons are bigoted because they hate people who are better educated, and moronic sports Nazis want to exterminate the handicapped and the elderly.

So, yeah! I guess I'm a bigot because I hate moronic sports Nazis!

I hate those who want to kill me!

So, I wish they would just crawl into a sewer and die!

Here lately, it seems that people come to this guestbook just to attack me.

Well, it's called Sports Sucks, so it's for people who hate sports and think that sports suck!

And I hate sports with a passion!

So, I don't have to be polite to drooling gutter-thugs like Drool McIntyre and sports sluts like Sarah who spreads her legs apart for monkey-boys, coming in here to the guest book just to criticize me.

This is the Sports Sucks forum and guest book, and NOT, the lets rip Fat Man apart forum!

NO! When it's 105 degrees outside, and I come in hot and thirsty, I don't feel it's right to be charged $3.25 just for a cup of water.

What if someone was severely dehydrated and collapsed on the floor? Would they still charge $3.25 just for some water.

Oh, I forget! Sports people don't believe in science or medicine, so instead of administering first aide to someone who has collapsed on the floor, they would probably rattle some beads over him and say some prayers, and go oogah! oogah! oogah!

Yeah! I hate morons who don't care if I live or die.

So, I want morons to die before they can get a chance to kill me!

Yeah! I'm a bigot!

I'm a big fat bitch!

OK?
Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

You sound just like a bigot. Do you realize what you've become? You're the mirror image of Samdaman.
Earl

I don't want to get along with morons!

I want to publicly humiliate them for being fuck-tarded morons!

OK, earlier this evening I was watching a program on The History Channel. It was all about Nikola Tesla one of our greatest American scientists.

Thanks to Nikola Tesla we have AC current lighting up our cities, and all kinds of modern technology, which would not be possible if it weren't for discoveries and inventions by Nikola Tesla.

But he ended up all alone in a small hotel room living in poverty. The only company he had during the last few years of his life were the pigeons that roosted on his 33rd floor window sill in New York city.

This is how our society treats intellectuals.

Oh! But some drooling retarded monkey-boy gets millions of dollars every year just for chasing a football.

An Astronomy or Physics professor in a university only gets paid about $80,000 per year.

But monkey-boy gets millions of dollars just for chasing a ball, and moronic sports fans all across the USA are willing to pay outrageous prices for tickets to the games.

No, I do not have to show any respect for people in sports.

Piss on sports and all the people involved in sports.

I don't have to be polite to morons.

Sport in our schools is responsible for the declining quality of education in the USA and responsible for the bullying of students in our schools.

No, I don't want to get along with morons!

I want all redneck sports-tarded morons to drink themselves to death on their cheap Buckhorn beer and die in their single-axle trailer homes.

I just want all moronic sports-tards to shut the fuck up and go die!!!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

"Can't we all just get along?"
Earl

Good evening Earl.

When Sarah said the following . . .

"Im also appalled by the almost abusive behavior that has been expressed by one member towards the employees at a sports center. It did not occur to them that these people are just trying to earn a living. What the hell did they do to deserve such treatment?"

I knew she was referring to me.

Sorry, but they were morons, and they should just get a job scrubbing toilets or bagging groceries instead of selling food and drink to people in a public establishment.

All sports people are morons.

I had to show them how it was not possible to reach the water fountain while sitting in my JAZZY power chair and how that discriminates against the handicapped, and that I shouldn't have to pay $3.25 dollars just for a cup of ice water while only "normal" people who could reach the fountain can get free water.

No, I don't believe that my view are extreme.

People should be treated like human beings, but only if they act like human beings.

Sports people act like animals, so I treat them accordingly, like animals! And some are dangerous animals that should be put in cages or hunted down and shot before they can hurt someone.

Sport people are morons who have no respect for those of us who are better educated, or for people with physical handicaps or for older people. Sports people like to bully us around.

Therefore, I have no respect for morons!

But I'm not in a position to physically kick their asses because I'm physically handicapped due to my arthritis.

So, I love to publicly humiliate morons and verbally rip them apart with words.

And they dare not attack me physically just because they can't think of anything clever to say in response, so they should just shut the fuck up and keep their slimy shit-coated hands to themselves, because if they do lay a hand on me, I'll just file charges and see to it that they are locked up so far away they won't be able to hear the dogs barking.

So, NO! I will not have any respect for morons, and I will public humiliate them at every possible opportunity.

In fact, I actually enjoy looking for reasons to publicly humiliate a moron!

It's what they deserve.

Fat Men
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

Admittedly, Fat Man's rhetoric is a bit extreme.


Earl

As a moderator of this small website, I must say that Sarah's message is the most polite critical reaction I've ever read. It was a pleasure for me to read it. She's obviously fair-minded. I appreciate her for being nice.

(By the way, thanks for the compliment, Sarah.)

To all visitors who read this message: Those of us who support this website do not all share the same views and attitudes. No one here speaks for all of us. Fat Man speaks for himself. His views do not represent the entire website.
Earl

In response to Sarah:

The people at the sports center were all a bunch of morons. I came in hot and sweaty. It was 105 degrees and I needed a drink of water. I have arthritis in my knees and ankles so I get around using one of those power chairs, my JAZZY 614 HD and I was unable to reach the water fountain.

Most public places have two fountains side by side with one down lower for people who are handicapped.

But NOT in a sports center.

And I didn't believe that I had to be charged $3.25 just for a cup of ice water.

Yeah, in a sports center, we cripples have to pay for a cup of water while only "normal" people can drink from the fountain for free!

I told them that if they didn't give me a cup of water free of charge, that I was going to go out to a public phone and dial 911 and have them all charged with discrimination.

So, they relented, and gave me a cup of ice water free of charge. I had to publicly shame and humiliate those morons in front of onlookers.

Last summer, the Don Haskins Sports Center requested that some bus stop benches in front be removed because it didn't look good to have those benches there.

Yeah! Like it doesn't look good to see elderly or disabled people sitting on benches in front of their precious SPORTS CENTER while waiting for a bus! Like, were suppose to stand at attention out of respect for sports!

FUCK IT!

This was before I got my JAZZY and I was still walking with a cane. I fought for 7 weeks arguing with the Sun Metro City Bus system and with the Don Haskins Sports Center to get those benches put back.

Sports people are Fascist Nazi scum who want to eliminate the elderly and the handicapped, even those who are far better educated than they are, they still want to exterminate, so that only jocks and sports fans will be allowed to live.

But then, most sports fans are redneck trailer trash with great big beer guts hanging down over their belts causing their pants to slide half-way down on their asses exposing their butt-cracks, and they just sit around in their single-axle trailer homes watching sports on their black & white TVs with coat hanger antennas, and beating the ever-living crape out of their wives and kids when their favorite football team loses the big game of the season.

So, trash like them very seldom live more than 40 or 50 years, and that's why sports people want us older people eliminated.

They're pissed off and jealous because intelligent and educated people live much longer while most ex-jocks are broken down human trash heaps when they're in their 50s, sitting on their plastic covered living-room couches, pissing in their pants and drooling as they sit in front of their expensive big screen TVs watching videos of their former glory days!

Also, jocks don't have any control over their bodies. You first of all, must have a brain in order to control your body.

This is why jocks roam about mindlessly like zombies looking for women to rape.

They just can't keep their rockets in their pockets!

Fat Man
El Fucking Paso, Texass The Banana Republic of the USA

I have to say that I respect the opinions of most people on this forum. Earl (?) is especially courteous in expressing his ideas.

Sadly, I've read some posts that make me feel sorry for the "stupid jocks." People who play sports professionally may not be entirely book smart, but they do have to know how to control their bodies and how to work in a team. That's a totally different kind of intelligence.

While I do agree that some athletes get special treatment, I do not agree that they are all stupid or bad people, which is an opinion that has been expressed here. It hasn't been expressed by everyone, but it's still an appalling opinion to see. I know good, intelligent people who play for college teams. One of my friends plays soccer for my university, and he's in engineering.

Im also appalled by the almost abusive behavior that has been expressed by one member towards the employees at a sports center. It did not occur to them that these people are just trying to earn a living. What the hell did they do to deserve such treatment?

I'm sorry, but I can't support your cause because of these few members. I can't agree with telling people they are stupid for liking something. That's just as sick and twisted as the stereotypical jock giving the stereotypical geek an atomic wedgie.

I wish every one of you the best in your cause.
Sarah <cunningire@aol.com>

Guess what Drew?? Yeah we are biased. You might even deduct that from the name of our forum. It's called "SPORTS SUCKS!" And, all the people in our little corner of the internet will always be that way. Most of the people here endured 12 years of bullying and having people be biased against us, only because we had different interests. Sorry we are a little slow to forgive unlike you, you "thick skinned" person.

My comment about him being self centered was petty, and that was all it was meant for. I still don't see anyway in the article where he is trying to help others to not repeat his mistakes.

I also liked how you just cherry picked my response and then accused me of refusing to give him credit, which i did twice in my post. You have to read all the words.

"On one hand the kid has finally become self aware. That happens to a lot of people, but not usually jocks, so he has my respect there."

and

"Kudos to him for finally waking up though. Maybe he can make something positive of his life."

Seems like you want us to give him credit for turning his life around but not credit for the harm he did. Guess you can't have it both ways.
rotten

Thanks for the compliments, Drew. But while I disagree (sometimes strongly) with some of the comments made by some (or many) of the supporters of this website, I will continue to support it because not all is good and well in the world of sport.
Earl

Alright Drew, I've got one question to ask you. Your recent comments on this guestbook show you to be somewhat of a genuine critic of this website. You do come up with good points and know what you're talking about. But if you wanted to be taken seriously, why the hell did you start spamming the fuck out of the forum pretending to be a sports hater? Seriously, what really was the point? You may be serious in what you're saying now but I'm still not 100% sure about taking you seriously after all that spamming.

Best regards,
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England,

"Shut the fuck up Fat Man. You are a ridiculous waste of my time." No one is forcing you to read his posts or reply to them, that is your choice. If you feel your time is being wasted when reading and responding to his posts, you are just as responsible for it as he is.

I understand that he isn't the number one and only person responsible for the shooting, however, if it weren't for him and other bullies, the shootings certainly would have never happened, and I have a moral difficulty forgiving a person who I view as responsible for murder. There are plenty of other people who are directly and indirectly responsible for the Columbine shooting, many of them even more responsible than the drug addict (such as the other bullies, the shooter's parents, the school staff, the NRA (I truly hope someone robs Charlton Heston's grave and literally takes his gun from his cold, dead hands), and many others). However that doesn't mean he isn't responsible. And the reason why I said your argument could be used against you is that you seemed to be implying that no one deserves to have to go through what the Columbine bully went through, when it was in fact his fault that he went through it, and what I was implying is that he deserves to face consequences for his actions.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

EARL: Noted. Yeah I figured it was just a misinterpretation. Sometimes I feel like you are the only person here with their head on straight and can look at issues objectively. So many people here are blinded by their bad experiences and take on irrational, ignorant and biased opinions.
HUGEFAN: First off, I'm not implying that bully isn't responsible for his drug addiction and such.. so I don't see how you are turning my argument against me. Also, I'm not saying that this bully isn't at fault here for what happened at Columbine -- but it's a miniscule relative to what the actual shooters did. The issue here is that you are placing direct blame on those who contributed indirectly. It's just wrong to say that this kid was just as guilty for the shootings as the shooters themselves.
Drew McIntyre

Shut the fuck up Fat Man. You are a ridiculous waste of my time. You haven't said one thing that was in any way relevent to my previous post. I'm guessing you were trying to say that bullying fucked you up, so bullying is wrong. Well no shit, retard. You've missed my point completely. Now please, stop relating every. fucking. thing. in your life to your traumatic experience. We get it, you went through tough shit and it fucked you up. I understand that and you really don't need to explain it all the time. You need to get some serious mental help, my friend. It's impossible to have rational and thoughtful discussion with you. I can't believe you think your pathetic rambling is "serving me up". Fucking hell bro, go talk to a shrink and help him deal with your issues because they are clearly consuming you and preventing you from acting like a decent human being.
Drew McIntyre

Fuck you Drew McIntyre! Or is that Drool McIntyre? - I'm in a bad fucking mood tonight! I just broke one of my front teeth this afternoon. It is cracked and loose and I'm in a lot of fucking pain right now! I had a hard time chewing my food while eating my supper this evening and the pain is even worse now, so I just took 4 Aspirin and I'm sipping on a small shot of Vodka, swishing it around inside my mouth hoping that it will ease the pain. I'm living on SSI disability, and here in this donkey-fucking redneck state of Texas, my Medicare/Medicaid does not cover dental work for anyone over 18 so I may not be able to eat solid food anymore because of the pain. Oh! But some football player who has raped someone's daughter, and got off with just a slap on the wrist, and was given a FREE Hummer that he can park all day in a 15 minute parking zone, and never has to worry about having his vehicle towed away, nor even get a ticket, he can get free dental work so he can chomp down on T-bone and sirloin stakes, while I'm going to have to live on soup! You want to know why I'm living on disability? It's because of the years of bullying which eventually lead to my having an emotional breakdown and spending three weeks in a psychiatric ward where patients were often beaten by the ward attendants. I was 17 years old at the time, and one night I was beaten and raped by an older man! When I was seeking some kind of psychological help, none was forth coming, because back then, back in the 1970s nobody believe that a guy could get raped, so the shrink just prescribed tranquilizers and sent me home. It wasn't until recent years that I was finally diagnosed with PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. So, yeah! I admit I'm a bit fucked up in the head! OK? But I never turned to drugs because of it. I seldom drink, having a little bit of beer only once in a week, but I don't get drunk. That kid's stuff. When I was in school, I wanted to study science, but I was called a "fag" because I didn't care for sports. In the art class, some oil paintings I had been working on were destroyed. My science teacher was also the school's football coach who was too fucking busy coaching his team of pre-frontally lobotomized baboons to be teaching in the classroom, so instead, he would set up a movie projector, leaving us all sitting in the dark watching a bunch of stupid cartoons! But I wanted to learn science, and NOT watch retarded cartoons. So, I didn't learn jack-shit when I was in school. All we learned was how to fold paper footballs! When I think of where I could have been today, instead of where I'm at now, I just want to scream out into the night! sometimes, I still get flash-backs and bad dreams relating back to the time when I was beaten and raped. Oh, and please don't tell me to get over it! I have heard that kind of right-wing crapola over and over again and I'm damn sick and tired of it! My life is a perfect example of how bullying can destroy a person, and fuck up one's life for keeps! So, I don't give a flying fucking Hootenanny in Hell about how some sports-tarded jock named Jason suffers from the guilt he feels after bullying students in Columbine which lead to his getting drunk and doing drugs. I hope he has to live with that guilt for the rest of his fucking life! And so . . . . . if you have been a bully who has destroyed other people's lives, and you now feel guilty about it, and wish to beg forgiveness, well don't come to me! If it's absolution you seek then go see your pedophile priest or your butt-banging bishop!

FUCK YOU!!!
Fat Man

"With the opinions, behaviors and attitudes that the members of sportssuck.org have show, its no wonder why you guys were bullied." Now that's just a bad thing to say. I was bullied by people who I had never spoken to in my life, not based on any of my opinions, attitudes, and behaviours. I don't agree with communists about their political ideologies, and I think some claims/actions made my communists are outrageous, but I don't say to them "With the opinions, behaviors and attitudes that communists have show, its no wonder why you guys were killed in concentration camps in the Holocaust". In fact, if you don't agree with my opinions, behaviours, and attitudes, they were all largely shaped by the people who have treated me with immoral actions throughout my entire life. I'm sure some other members of the forum can honestly say the same.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Why yes, Hitler's parents were largely to blame for the Holocaust, he had a terrible father who abused him, and had it not been for his father's failure at parenting, Hitler likely would have never acted as he had. Of course that doesn't mean Hitler isn't to blame, he is still at fault, but that doesn't mean other people involved in his upbringing didn't also cause it. And if it weren't for Islam, 9/11 certainly wouldn't have happened. That doesn't mean that in general, Islam is a bad thing, as it has also contributed to the world in many ways, however it is an ignorant view to not believe that Islam had a large presence in 9/11. And in this case, the Columbine shooters would have never acted so without the "encouragement" from their bullies. It is an irrational ideology that can enable future problems to only view the person directly responsible for a crime to be guilty for it. We must also reflect upon the actions of the people who influenced that crime. In this case, the bullies influenced that crime, and if it weren't for them, the shooting certainly would not have happened. Those bullies must have known that every once in a while, treating others like shit and disregarding human rights would cause drastic actions occasionally. All actions have consequences, with the significance of the consequences based on the significance of the actions. Those bullies acted upon the Columbine shooters until they believed they had nothing left to live for and that the Columbine students were worthless people who didn't deserve to live. That bully is largely to blame for the death of 15 people, almost as much as the shooters, and I believe that he was a criminal who deserved punishment. Also, on top of that, your very own argument can be used against you. You are implying that mainly only the direct perpetrators are responsible for a crime. By that logic, the Columbine bully was responsible for his own drug addiction and problems of guilt. He chose to bully which eventually led to guild and drug addiction, and only he was responsible. I retract no statements I made.

HugeFanOfBadReligion
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Correction: Andy's website is thegridironpalace.com.
Earl

Hi, Drew. I wasn't implying that Jason didn't feel any guilt until he was undergoing treatment for his addiction. I knew he turned to drugs in the immediate aftermath of the massacre because he was overwhelmed with a sense of guilt for having previously bullied the two perpetrators. What I meant was that BEFORE the massacre he knew that bullying was wrong. Many of us do things that we know are wrong. Remember, the last comment that I made about him was that I wished him well.

You may not believe this, but never in my life have I hated anyone who ever did me wrong or wished him ill. And the reason why is because THAT IS NOT RIGHT. That's not the way I was raised by my parents, and I have always believed in some sort of moral code. Throughout the years I have been critical of certain individuals' actions, but I have never wished that any misfortune befall them. I certainly have had other moral failings in my life, but hatred of others has not been one of them. I believe in justice, but I don't believe in vengence.

And, of course, I agree with you that nothing justified the murders at Columbine, needless to say. Absolutely nothing. There now is some controversy about what drove the killers, and I think there probably will always be controversy about Columbine. They seem to have shot the other students indiscriminately. I've not done a lot of reading about Columbine, but I'm not sure if any of their victims had ever tormented them. One of the victims, whose father had set up a website in memory of his son, was even a stereotypical "nerd" -- a slightly built guy with black glasses who had excelled academically whose main interest was biology.

Each of the members of this forum speaks for himself. (Incidentally, not all of the currently active members of the forum posted in this particular thread.) There is not a party line that we follow. As I've said before, we're quite capable of having a split. Again, as I've said before to other people, please check Andy's first topic, which is entitled "Here to have a civilized debate." We had a major split. I even apologized at his website thegridironplace for the way he was treated.

I'm glad that you have communicated your criticism, as it certainly is valid. If you have a reaction to what I've just said, please leave another message.

Best wishes,
Earl
Earl

I checked up your page after a few weeks and saw the Columbine bully thread. I have to say that I am completely appalled by the posts there. As you know, I sometimes troll around, and as such I've got a pretty thick skin when it comes to outrageous things on the internet -- however this one made me want to scream out and throw my monitor out my window. Let's start with the first post by Earl where he said: "Jason had a conscience, which eventually caught up with him and enabled him to feel guilt." Are you implying he didn't feel guilt until recently, once he got help? I hope I am misinterpreting because if thats the case, then you are incredibly dense. He turned drugs because he had a MASSIVE amount of guilt and didn't know how to deal with it, obviously. Next is rotten's post: "He seems a bit self centered" Fuck off. How on Earth do you get that from the article? Because of the phrasing in one quoted sentence? Thats an awfully big conclusion to jump to. It seems to me that you are simply biased because he was a jock and a bully TEN YEARS AGO and you refuse to give him the credit that he is trying to turn his life around. It's petty thing to do, and you need to look at the situation objectively. Let's move on to HugeFanOfBadReligion's post. To say that this kid is as bad as the Columbine kids is simply ridiculous. Do you blame Hitler's parents for the Holocaust? Do you blame Islam for 9/11? Call me crazy, but I think the people responsible for the Columbine shootings are *gasp* the fucking shooters! Yes, they were bullied, but being bullied is NO EXCUSE for what they did. There is a right way and a wrong way to deal with situations, and the shooters dealed with their issues in the worst way imaginable. Bullying is certainly wrong, and this kid probably contributed to the shooter's frustration at society.. but how on Earth was this guy supposed to know that the weird kids he was picking on were going to shoot up a school? For you to feel satisfaction that this kid went through 10 years of a miserable life is abominable. You should feel ashamed of yourself. Lastly, Fat Man... oh boy... everything I said to HugeFan aplies to you tenfold. Unfortunately, you are one of the most unreasonable and intolerant people I have ever encountered on the web; you are everything the front page of this website says you guys aren't. Therefore, I refuse to even bother with you. I know the following sentence will get misinterpreted greatly, but I will say them anyways: With the opinions, behaviors and attitudes that the members of sportssuck.org have show, its no wonder why you guys were bullied. You guys make me ashamed for humanity.
Drew McIntyre

Thank you for the great comment Aaron.. Drum Corps is WAY TOO ADVANCED for any football player to understand...It is kind of like playing a musical instrument WHILE YOU PLAY FOOTBALL AT THE SAME TIME!!!....It will always piss me off how band guys always get made fun of while the football players do not... What I recall, I was workin my butt off in the percussion section at football games while the other players that were not on the field were just sittin there waitin for their time to play.. When you are in band.. YOU ALWAYS PLAY...

Another extremely difficult position that is ALWAYS OVERLOOKED=...College band director
Mike

Hello Aaron. I have a great amount of respect for marching bands and similar groups. I know they physically and mentally challenging. I myself am a musician and realize that it can be difficult depending on the music being played, and on top of that marching in a manner that requires a lot of physical energy to be exerted and requires knowledge to march in the correct patterns. That is quite impressive. I have definitely observed a stereotype not only among the highschool athletic community, but also in the media, that band members and similar people are "nerds", "geeks", "wimps", "pussies", and all those similar immature insults, and I know these stereotypes are completely incorrect and it is unfair to label band members such terms. To finish up, I'll say that I do not understand the views on band members by the athletic community, and I have a great amount of respect for marching band members and anything similar.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I wanted to bring to light a competitive athletic event that most people have never heard of and thus never shows up in your forum discussions. It's an activity that requires significant mental and physical fortitude and yet, ironically, is looked down upon and shunned by the traditional jock mentality. I'm mentioning this for the sake of discussion. I'm referring to the pageantry arts:

Marching band
Winter guard
Indoor percussion
Drum and Bugle Corps

If you've never had the opportunity to see, hear, or even know what a drum corps is I implore you to check out the Drum Corps International homepage at www.dci.org and search YouTube for some videos of corps performances (I recommend Santa Clara Vanguard 1989, The Cavaliers 1995, The Cavaliers 2006, and Phantom Regiment 2008). I'll give a quick crash course:

Drum corps is a music and movement activity. Shows consist of around 11.5 minutes of performance involving demanding music and drill. A study done on a marching percussion player noted that for the 11.5 minute performance the moving members averaged the heart rate of a marathon runner at full stride. You're traveling at high speed, sometimes at huge step sizes, and carrying large pieces of metal or throwing rifles/sabres/flags into the air. At the same time you're recalling some 200 pages of drill and 11 minutes of music. But you can't just remember the music. We're musicians, we have to PLAY the music, put emotion into it, make it GOOD.

I myself marched with Spirit Drum and Bugle Corps in 2005. From an athletic standpoint it was a fantastic endeavor. I lost a lot of weight, gained good muscle tone, and gained a LOT of stamina. As a brass player, while basically running around the field for ten minutes, I can't breathe at my leisure. Running a mile and running a mile when you have to breathe in for one second and out for thirty are not remotely close when it comes to difficulty. I also grew as a musician. The techniques and teaching I learned/received from the staff have carried me as a player to this day. I grew as a person, too. From the camaraderie to the worth ethic to the goal setting I grew up a lot during the course of a 3 month season. It was an experience that I would never trade for anything.

I wanted to share this because drum corps as well as the other pageantry arts are in a strange place when it comes to the Sports Rule/Sports Suck discussion because, well, it takes athletic skill but the jocks don't want us and, quite frankly, we don't want them. I received less criticism in high school playing tennis than I did being in the marching band. Something I'll never understand about the world.

If I've piqued your interset in the drum corps activity I'd love if it you'd shoot me an email. I love spreading the word of this great activity to all the "drum corps uneducated" folks out there and don't worry, there are a lot of you. ;)

Aaron
Mellophone player, drum corps enthusiast, and Alabama football fan
Aaron <steelfalcon2001@gmail.com>
Tuscaloosa, AL USA

I support you! Sport sucks!
Mladjan <kondormit@gmail.com>
Belgrade, Serbia Serbia

I think George was just pulling our leg, and as a sucker I fell for it.
Earl

Hi, George. Needless to say, I share your repugnance to the brutal Communist movement, which has claimed the lives of 100 million people since the Bolsheviks seized power in Petrograd in 1917. I understand your negative reaction to certain images presented on a few pages of this website, but you're mistaken about our intentions. (I also must say, to be frank, that I'd never paid much attention to any of this imagery.) This website does not promote any totalitarian ideology, I assure you. The images are just hype. I'm sure this is not the only time that a group of people have borrowed imagery from a movement that was totally unlike and unrelated to their own. And as HugeFanOfBadReligion says, many revolutions had taken place long before Karl Marx' time.

Sportssuck.org is not a political website. Two or three members of the forum may express their own political views, but they speak only for themselves. There is not a "party line" here, not even on issues related to sports. And I can assure you that no one here is a Communist. That would be absurd. The members of the forum have different political views ranging from liberal to conservative. For example, I voted for Senator McCain in the last Presidential election. One of our members has told me privately that he is a Libertarian. One of the creators of this website, who prepared the home page and the schools section, happens to be a conservative Republican who is an avid supporter of the Tea Party movement. I assume he thought that confrontational images would be more likely to make more of an impression. The point is that he was not trying to promote Communism.

If you would take the time to check the forum posts (not to mention other features), you would find that there's absolutely nothing that promotes Communism; and, again, that's because this website is not political. Not to mention that we are all opposed to any brutal totalitarian movement.

In a number of posts, I've referred to the Swedish humanitarian Raoul Wallenberg as an example of a very courageous nonathletic man who, in the words of his half-sister, "detested competitive team sports." Wallenberg was one of the more prominent foreigners who was victimized by Stalin's secret police in what has to be one of the most unjust fates that anyone has ever suffered. A website promoting Communism would not allow Wallenberg's hideously unjust fate to even be mentioned.

I hope that I've given you some reassurance that we're not screaming Communism.
Earl

You know, revolutions didn't originate from communism. They came millennia before Marx did. Also, who cares how a message is spread? As long as the cause is just and no one is harmed, there is nothing wrong with similarities between one ideology and a completely different ideology in terms of how it is promoted. Sure, we compare the nonathletic to the lower class or proletariat, and we compare the jocks to the upper class or bourgeoisie, but in communism, the idea is that everyone is equal economically and no one possesses anything, but our idea here is that you can still accomplish things and achieve more than others have, but you shouldn't have to face adversity due to the lack of athletic ability. Well, that's mostly my reason to support this site, but everyone has a different reason, so I can't speak for others. But like I said, our cause is completely different, and isn't that all that matters?
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Oh I believe your portrayal is very much like communism, allow me to make an easy to read list.

1. I see a very commonly used logo of a fist raised in the air on your site, a raised fist is a commonly associated with revolution, which is what communism is based off of.

2. Your link to come into the chat room invites you to join "Comrades."

3. You have a manifesto.

4. Just LOOK at the banner picture you have in the schools section, its clearly based on Communist Chinese propaganda. Here, see a link to another picture. It also has the word REVOLUTION very clearly on it.

http://www.newint.org/ features/2004/09/ 01/ historypic.jpg


5. The entire schools section seems dedicated to pointing out how the vast majority of students (the proletariat) are oppressed by, in your exact words "the ruling class" (bourgeoisie.

Let me quote several things from your own site.

"For far too long we have labored under the crushing weight of state-endorsed sports-obsession. For too long we have suffered from the oppression of the elitest athletic groups in our schools"

"It's time to end this insanity and take back our schools NOW!"

"privileged class" (Interesting choice of word "class")

"To keep the masses indoctrinated..." (Sounds very much like Lenin)

"The first step in the battle against sports is publicly acknowledging your indifference to the big game" " The next time you're approached to participate in the office football pool, just say NO! The next time some dullard approaches you and says, "how 'bout them dawgs?", just look them straight in the eye and say, "I don't know what the heck you're talking about! I don't watch sports!". Just say NO!"


http://spaliuke.files.wordpress.com/ 2008/04/ curranposter4.jpg

This entire site screams Communism. How could you not see that unless you put it there purposely? I agree with the message, but you've lost my support.


George <firebird270@gmail.com>

Thanks so much. Finally a site I can relate to!
Sera <riddlersgirl@gmail.com>
Garden Grove, CA 92843

George, can you please elaborate? How does this website resemble communist ideals? Do you believe that our cause is similar to communism, or that the way we portray our cause is similar to the propaganda of communism? If you believe our cause is portrayed the way that communism was exploited in communist places such as the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, North Korea, Cuba, or another communist nation? Because if you are referring to how our cause is portrayed, most ideologies use the same tactic as propaganda so I don't see how it could be only similar to communist propaganda.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Sports... sometimes i can't help but wonder... why are they so special? Like so many other people on this site I just don't know what the big deal exactly is. I also don't know why not being interested in sports means that one is classed as being unable to socialize, weird, or any of that bullshit. Just makes me wonder.
Robert <rjones4612@gmail.com>

*bare
George <firebird270@gmail.com>
Seattle, WA USA

I really dislike sports, but your website and message bear a disturbing similarity to communism, very similar.
George <firebird270@gmail.com>
Seattle, WA USA

Good, Drew. You've finally made an intelligent, relevant comment on here. Nice work.

But I don't think you should be allowed back on the forum. When you come to a website pretending to be a legit member and then proceed to fill the forums up with stupid shit to irritate people, you are banned. And normally the ban is not negotiable, as you've lied and wasted people's time in a hope of having a laugh for yourself. Your Guestbook comment is intelligent, but there are several comments on this Guestbook which appear to be from legit members but have really just been submitted as a ploy to distract people from the truth. You're probably not stupid in real life. But you pissed around on the forums and a ban was deserved. You were offered a discussion several times and refused to take this offer up in favour of putting up more stupid "chosen one" comments. I don't think you should be allowed back on.

If your motive was really sincere you would have shown it on the forums. But I strongly doubt that. Many a troll has deceived us in the past by sounding intelligent and civil. I doubt you're any different.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Good post, Drew.
Earl

I am so tired of sports and the stupid hype surrounding them, all I'm hearing about now in my office is how awful it is that the USA have gone out of the World Cup. big damn deal! Whenever somebody would come up to me and ask "How 'bout dem Tigers?" or some other stupid shit, I'd just respond by saying "WHAT DAMN TIGERS! ALL I SEE IS A BUNCH OF MORONS RUNNING AROUND A RECTANGULAR SHAPED COURT!" or whatever. Yeah. Sports bore me to death. Thank God I found people who agree with me.
Gareth

Then I'll just post here if you guys won't unban me.

In response to Fat Man's recent post in the "Sports are good for you..." thread:

I agree that those prices are pretty ridiculous for water. However what you claim you would do if refused water is equally ridiculous. First off, no one is refusing anyone anything, they are requiring you to pay for it -- theres a difference. Let's say for arguments sake that they are refusing to give you water. Pretending to go into shock is not a very good way to go about correcting this situation. It's essentially wasting their time and wasting an ambulance's time that could be devoted to a real emergency. Crying wolf is never good. Secondly you wouldn't be able to sue them for your "pain and suffering" because you weren't in pain or suffering -- at least not enough to put your life at risk. If you were sent to the emergency room they would catch on to your charade rather quickly and tell you to leave. In fact, you might get sued for fraudulently calling an ambulance. If someone is refusing you water, as in they are refusing you and only you, then you could probably have a strong case for discrimination but faking an emergency is not only stupid it's also morally wrong.
Drew McIntyre

So you think you can troll this forum, get banned, and get back in, do you? That's quite silly. You should have made your rational posts while you had our trust and stayed that way, instead of pulling all that stupid shit with us before you wanted to post rationally. I don't believe you'll even be able to post rationally if your stupid enough to troll us, get banned, and then want to post seriously. If it was up to me, I'd never lift your ban. Of course, it's not up to me, but I really hope it doesn't get lifted anyway.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

No offense, 81, but I don't think that's your decision to make
Drew McIntyre

Ah, so we're going to just lift your ban immediately, are we? Because we have every confidence you're not going to start spamming the forum again with your "chosen one" rhetoric once the ban's been lifted.

Sorry Drew. If you were sincere you would have introduced yourself to the forum that way. But I strongly doubt you are. I don't know how many people have tried this before - spamming a forum, getting banned and then begging to be let back on the day after claiming to be sensible next time. Whether you get away with it or not is not up to me. You'll probably be allowed back on, I don't know why. Personally I think you're just here to waste people's time.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

If you unban me I'll post seriously. The Drew McIntyre gimmick got old anyways -- not enough material. I understand if you won't though.
Drew McIntyre

If you haven't been approved in a day or two, I'll be sure to let the forum Admin know.
Earl

Thanks Earl. I have registered but I still can't post. I hope to be approved soon.
Drew McIntyre

Hi, Drew. Thanks for your interest in our website. I'm one of the forum moderators. What had happened was that access to the forums was temporarily denied. We've had a problem with trolls lately; so, the forum Admin may have restricted access briefly. As a moderator I had nothing to do with it. Access has now apparently been restored. Please try again. We're always glad to have new members, as long as they're not trolls or abusive. Again, welcome.

Earl

Hello. I found this site yesterday and want to join but it seems as if the forums are no more. What happened??
Drew McIntyre

In response to Random Dude:

Yeah, those are good reasons to hate sports. 42 of 'em!

I could probably think of a thousand reasons (or more) to hate sports, but trying to list them all would make me sick and want to up-chuck!

It's not the sport itself, but rather, the cultural mystique that revolves around sports, like it's the most important thing in all the cosmos, which of course, it is not!

It's like, sports has become the sun around which all the worlds revolve.

The typical rude obnoxious jock, he thinks (assuming jocks can think at all) that he is the master of all he surveys, but the typical jock is only a worm, an insect, a dung beetle, batting away at his little ball of muck, and fooling himself that he trundles the sun!

And most athletic coaches are just a bunch of unimaginative, business-as-usual, seven-carbon sons of bitches who can go take a jump at a galloping goose or a flying fuck at the moon as far as I'm concerned.

In the cosmic scheme of things, they are of no greater significance than some poor old drunken Skid Row bum passed out is some dark back alley somewhere.

Oh! My God! Me thinks I wax poetic!!!








Fat Man
El Paso, TX USA

42 REASONS TO HATE SPORTS:
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1. They are boring
2. Sports is watched by retarded people with no lives or hobbies.
3. The jocks & cheerleaders think they are better than everyone else.
4. Video games are much more fun
5. It's the reason why Americans are so stupid when it comes towards math & science
6. I rather watch the Discovery or History Channel.
7. I rather watch COPS, AMW, or some other show with some substance.
8. The dumb athlete gets "special treatment" from his school to go to a college when he doesn't even make good grades. C'mon how's that even fair to the rest of us?
9. Public schools value sports more than academics, when it is the academics that will get you a good job. WTF!
10. All professional sports are fake! By fake, I mean they take steroids, do drugs, etc. People in this profession make horrible role models.
11. Sports fans are PEDOPHILES! Why? Because they go to the games to see little 15 yrs old cheerleaders dance in mini-skirts & belly shirts. Sports fans are perverted.
12. Cheerleaders are mean, snobby, slutty women who need to die!!!
13. I rather read a book
14. Jocks are faggots. They love to pick on the nerds & try to "molest" them. I can't believe sports fans look up to these people!!!
15. Majority of idiots are sports fans
16. Get a REAL hobby sports fags!!!
17. Sports fans enjoy humiliating the social outcasts.
18. Majority of sports fans & sports players are complete assholes.
19. Does the game mean that much to you? Wow! Your pathetic.
20. Martial Arts is the only sport I have respect for.
21. The majority of sports fans & sports players are bullies.
22. Sports programs ruin my Sunday & Saturday evenings because when I want to see The Simpsons or COPS, it doesn't come on because some dumb football game is on. Where's my favorite show?
23. Playing sports won't get a good job. The chances of being a professional athlete is like 1 to 1000. Those odds aren't in your favor.
24. You go to school to LEARN, not play or watch a guy kick/throw a ball on the field!
25. People choose their colleges based on the football team. Uhh...that's not a good idea. Just because a school is popular, doesn't mean it's a good school. Look at Texas A&;M! Their engineering program is the WORST I have ever seen.
26. I hate girls who are sports fans. I just do! They have no lives & aren't worth my time.
27. In high school, those annoying prep allies ruined my concentration. I want to study! Not watch the school's football team ruin my learning.
28. I hate being FORCED to go to prep rallies. Not everyone is a brainwashed sports fag.
29. Cheerleaders end up fat after high school/college & the football players end end bald & fat.
30. Jocks are the assholes of every sports. They aren't considered Athletes, because Athletes actually respect people & aren't assholes like jocks.
31. Sports video games are a abomination to all sports & video games.
32. Suck my cock if you disagree with these points
33. Playing with balls makes you look gay LOL
34. Most jocks make horrible boyfriends
35. Cheerleaders make horrible girlfriends
36. Many sports fans are UNSPORTSMANLIKE! Even on the field.
37. It's just a game! Not a matter of life or death dumb-asses
38. Sports fans like to degrade those who don't like sports by calling them "unmanly", "weird", or name calling. Apparently sports fans don't understand people have different tastes.
39. We don't hate sports because we aren't good them, we hate them because they are uninteresting.
40. Sports fans suck at math & science. Watching sports can make you dumb.
41. Sports fans are lazy
42. Suck my cock if you don't agree with these points!
randomDude <sdfasdf@yahoo.com>
Your Mom, KY USA

In response to Mike:

Yeah, I guess sports fans would much rather watch a bunch of tall skinny guys in baggy loose shorts jumping around butting a ball through a metal hoop, or football fans would rather watch a bunch a moronic monkey-boys in tight pants chasing an oval-shaped ball. And they call us fags???
Fat Man
El Paso, TX USA

I had a really good time last night at a local bar here in town. While all of the sports freaks were watching the basketball game, I met and had a great conversation with a hot blonde chick that was sitting at the bar that nobody (too busy watching the game) was talking to. I find it hilarious how when it comes down to it, the sports freaks would rather shout and yell at a TV than talk to a hottie..
Mike

I can't believe how many people have truly convinced themselves that sports matter. Not to mention the violence perpetrated in sport's name. Sounds familiar...
Mac
TX USA

Ahh. kindred spririts. How refreshing....I am the bullied spouse of a footbal fan. I hate footbal.
Johnny Doodads

In response to Who Cares:

Quote:
"Wow. Fat Man now hopes all fans of sports get cancer. I thought that he "listens and learns from his mistakes". That guy is trash, and that how more you give him free reign to spew his bigotry the less credible your site becomes."
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Actually I was only kidding.

It was in response to a stupid one-line comment by SensibleSportsman concerning an earlier post I had made on a previous page in a forum topic.

He said "This post gave me cancer." YEAH RIGHT!

So, I suggested that we all make more anti-sports posts in the hopes that all sports fans would get cancer from reading them and wither away and die in their single axle trailer homes.

It was a joke! Yes, a stupid joke! But a joke nonetheless.

Come on now! Like, seriously! Does anybody believe that a person can get cancer just from reading something???

I certainly don't!

Now maybe a sports fan or a jock will go insane if you put him in a round room and tell him to go sit in a corner.

And a jock or sports fan will lose a night's sleep and go nuts trying to spell C-A-T.

But nobody gets cancer just from reading something.

So, when NonsensicalSportsman said that reading one of my posts gave him cancer, naturally I feel like saying "GOOD! I hope more sports fans and jocks read my posts!"

But there is really no danger of that happening because just reading something will not give you cancer. OK?

Also, most jocks and sports fans can't even read anyway, at least not beyond the 2ed grade lavel.

In fact, most can't even find their way back out of their own socks!

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CAUTION: The Surgeon General warns that reading any Internet forum posts by Fat Man may cause you to get cancer.
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YEAH RIGHT!!!


Fat Man <gerald1951@sbcglobal.net>
El Paso, TX USA

I have to agree with "who cares" that wishing genocide is completely beyond the pale.
Earl

Expressing disdain for sports is one thing, but wishing genocide is a completely different thing. It's a shame that you can't see the difference, 1981.
who cares

Hmmm... I wonder how much success I'd have if I went onto a sports forum and asked them to ban their most active member because he had some extreme views against non-sports enthusiasts like myself? Somehow I doubt I'd be showered with acceptance and agreement. I'm sorry, but hard as you may try, you're not going to get Fat Man banned. I personally haven't agreed with some of the statements made in his recent posts but the fact stands that this is an ANTI-SPORTS forum where the members are entitled to let off the steam that has been put in them through the negative side of sports culture, so it's not a gross breach of our forum's ideology or rules. Oh sure, it would be an instant ban on any other forum but look at the site name. SPORTS. SUCK. Bound to be some extreme comments here? You don't like them? Well, I advise you to leave this site because if they're going to be anywhere on the internet, they will be here. That is all I have to say.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

Wow. Fat Man now hopes all fans of sports get cancer. I thought that he "listens and learns from his mistakes". That guy is trash, and that how more you give him free reign to spew his bigotry the less credible your site becomes.

And before you give me that crap about how he "doesn't represent all of us": By allowing him to continue posting you are guilty by association. By not deleting his posts or banning him you are essentially saying it's okay to express those vile and disgusting thoughts. Wishing cancer upon millions of people is okay but god forbid anyone makes a case that sports are a good thing! Your website is a complete joke.
who cares

http://www.puppetgov.com/ 2010/06/09/ america%e2%80%99s-bread-and -circus-society/
Bell depress vu

Sports are so damn bad it's unbelievable! What inspires huge crowds of people to go mad just because their team has lost a game! It's not even like they know anyone on the team. To be honest, I think it would do the world a lot of good if professional sports were to be eradicated completely! All they do is make people go insane over nothing! And as far as compulsory sports in schools go... don't get me started! I fail to see how teaching people to throw a ball better or run around with one is called "education"! It's a total joke! I failed to understand the big deal about sports in the first place, and I still do now! It's just stupid! Like who died and made sports God?
Tom <thetacticaltom@yahoo.com>

Tell me Nick, if you wanted to be taken seriously by us, why did you create a false identity to use on the forums and lie to us? Was there really anything to gain from that apart from doing it "for teh lulz"? If you want a serious discussion now, have one, but now that you've done that and thrown another load of crap at us I'm not sure taking you seriously is a good idea.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

P.S. I did not create this website. I had absolutely nothing to do with the main page. I would have taken a different approach.
Earl

Now we're communicating.

Are you referring to the way that I reacted towards you in the forum?
Earl

He is you.
Nick

Hi, Nick. Yes, I did say that I was going to be very busy today; but I have time to leave a relatively brief message. As long as you don't troll, I'd be delighted to converse with you for the sake of understanding each other.

First of all, perhaps the reason why this website seems ambiguous to you is because we (the forum members who defend this website) are not all of the same mind. We don't think alike. You almost seem to think that we're practicing groupthink here, but I can assure you that we're not doing that. For a group of people that is so small, we're actually quite diverse.

I need to ask you a question. When you say that "what he is saying is the exact opposite of what he is doing," who is the "he" to whom you are referring? Are you referring to me, or are you referring to Fat Man or someone else? If we are to communicate, you and I must understand what the other means. Otherwise, we'll just talk past each other and possibly end up yelling at each other. So, I need to know to whom you are referring here.

You ask why should we spend time talking about sports if we don't like them. Why not? Political liberals don't like political conservatives, but they sure spend a lot of time talking about them. And vice versa. People let off steam about all sorts of concerns. So, I don't get your point here. I will assume that you're not just trying to shut us up.

Perhaps the leading reason why I talk about sports is because I recognize that the traditional sports-centered approach to physical education has failed nonathletic students miserably. There are P.E. coaches and former P.E. coaches who make this claim themselves, and they are right. What nonathletic boys and girls need to do is to get on an exercise program, instead of being forced to participate in competitive team sports in mandatory P.E. I realize that there have been some changes since I was required to take sports-centered P.E. through junior high, and I am thankful for those changes. But as Coach Tim McCord (a leading proponent of the innovative PE4Life program) personally informed me in an e-mail, the old P.E. is still with us, meaning that way too many school districts still have the same tired approach that does not promote physical fitness for all students. I hate to see kids go through the same negative, pointless experience that I went through when I was a teenager. In other words, this issue is relevant TODAY.

As they say, the floor is yours. Remember that my purpose is not to debate you. I want to communicate and not yell.
Earl

I completely agree with you, HugeFan. To be honest, what annoys me about this site is how ambiguous it is.

MAIN PAGE: RAAAWR OVERSTATEMENTS!! I WAS BULLIED 30 YEARS AGO BUT NOW I HAVE A WEBSITE OUT FOR REVENGE RAAAAAH!!!11

FORUM:
At first it was like: Oh, we're actually here for civilized debates. Srry lol
But THEN... : RAAAAAH!!!

You get m'point. What I was pointing out in my last paragraph is that what he is saying is the exact opposite of what he is doing.

And also, I was pointing out that if you guys hate sports so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them? You're practically sports FANATICS.
Nick

Nick, I will make a lengthy response to your message in a few days. Being a family man, I happen to be rather busy at the moment with pressing responsibilities. Please be patient. I will respond to you.
Earl

Nick, you are correct. This site is biased. But that is the same with many forums. It's like having a fan page of something that allows people to join that have no interest in whatever the subject of the forum is, because the point of the forum is to offer a place for people with a certain viewpoint. This viewpoint happens to be against sports. Of course we'd prefer to talk with people who we agree with on the subject rather than jocks or trolls, because we came to this site because it is one of the few places there are were you can find others who dislike sports without being ridiculed or assaulted by others. However, now trolls and sports bores visit here, and that ruins the purpose of having the site. That's why this site is more fair to people who share the same viewpoint of the site. It's supposed to be a safe haven for non athletic people, a rest from a world that is seemingly based on sports.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Also, I did not mean to imply that you're the only one who has failings. It's the whole staff. I almost feel like Fat Man complaining to Girlvinyl and thinking she made everything on ED.
Nick

You would never support an 'I hate jocks' site... but you allow posts saying that sports players and the fans who are entertained by them should be lined up and shot. You allow death threats. Your members grossly exaggerate facts and rage that a school would DARE show that it has beaten another in athletic ability. If you truly don't support 'I hate jocks' websites, then why do you support this one? Whenever a true non-troll appears, if he is in favor of sports you allow your members to cuss him out. Instead of deleting posts and locking threads (you allowed a thread named 'Nick the Prick' to stay active) the moderators ignore your own rules and only enforce them against those with opposing viewpoints. Then you sit on the sidelines as Fat Man, a victim of bullying, plays out his fantasies of bullying people a quarter of his age. Instead of reining him in, he is allowed free reign himself. He is practically a moderator. I caught flak for quoting him -insulting me- because I was pointing out the fact that he is a bully. Until you and the rest of the moderating staff start cleaning up your board, I highly doubt that you have any problems with the phrase 'I hate jocks.'

Of course, you'll probably ignore my wisdom and delete this guestbook comment, because that's how this site rolls. You wanted a debate, here you go.

And also, if your board is for people uninterested in sports, why is so much space taken up by sports-related posts? 6/8 of your boards are about sports. This is more of a 'complain about sports and talk about teenage fantasies of killing people' than a community of people who don't like sports. That is also why trolls continue milking this lol-cow of a website.

Nick Trano signing off.
Nick

Well, Nick, after deleting the next to the last message of yours, I bit. I give up. Unfortunately, you're making some valid charges; but your motivation is wrong. You probably would like to see this website hacked. Actually, Fat Man is probably the only reason you came to this website. I was going to delete all your Guestbook messages, but I've changed my mind. At the same time that you're a pest, you're also actually amusing in a way. Yes, I must admit that's a compliment. So, you can continue to play your little game. I think that one or more of the other members might actually be enjoying this little tit for tat.

I did not create this website, and I do not agree with every statement that has been made in the forum and elsewhere at this website. I'm almost getting tired of being a moderator. The main reason I've continued to do so is because I've established friendships with some of the active forum members, plus I think there should be a website for people who simply are not interested in sports. Since several good friends of mine are former school athletes, I would never support a website that was simply an "I hate jocks" website.

Fat Man does not represent me. He speaks for himself. I have no problem with "an individual who enjoys watching sports on TV after a hard day's work supporting their family."

Have fun, Nick.
Earl

Sorry, I messed up on deleting part of my last post (when I was quoting the bishop) before it was posted.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

"Pretending to be God and parroting his power of creation is an enormous risk that can plunge men into a barbarity... (Scientists)should never forget that there is only one creator: God."

- Bishop Domenico Mogavero on creating synthetic life

"(Scientists)should never forget that there is only one creator: God."

-Bishop Domenico Mogavero on creating synthetic life

There is not one ultimate view on the subject Nick. It would be naive for anybody to think that there is a unanimous opinion on the subject, whether it is in support or against the creation of synthetic life.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Thank you, Earl. Of course, Fat Man then went on to attempt to drive me to suicide. I find that incredibly impolite. I expected one who has had such harsh experiences with bullying in the past would not be so quick to stoop to their level. Fat bitch or no, insulting someone's religion, lying and copypasting the same post multiple times changing a few words around each time (rape story copypasted OVER 9000 times) should not be considered reasonable contributions to any forum. He is offensive, anti-catholic, and anti-gay (as shown by his many homo-bashing remarks) and yet he is allowed to stay. He has far exceed the (ironic) three strikes. In my opinion, he is far worse than an individual who enjoys watching sports on TV after a hard days' work supporting their family.
Nick

I hadn't read the synthetic life topic. If I had, I would have recognized James as a 4chan troll and banned him immediately.

I've done you an undeserved favor, Nick. I did this for the sake of Catholic readers who might be offended by Fat Man's post. (Actually, I'm relieved. I was afraid that it might be worse than it was.) Even though you were banned from the forum, I've copied and pasted your objection to that topic. Now, whether your motive was sincere, I'll let the reader decide.

Nick, you're not supposed to be here. I don't think I'll bite the next time. If you're a guest in someone's home where you're rude or you act up, you're told to leave. That's what you've done at this website. So, go play somewhere else.
Earl

In the synthetic life topic. First he lied and said the church opposed the synthetic life (they released a statement in favor of it) then he shared his fantasy of defacating on the pope. Gross.
Nick

Where did he insult Catholicism?
Earl

You guys really need to reign Fat Man in. I just noticed him insultibg catholicism. That's really offensive. For someone who is so against bullying, he seems fond of it.

As the Channer said, you're all just. Like. Us.

Kthxbai
Nick

Funny, but i_like_1981 said just as much in a recent post of his. Of course, you would never give us credit for being right about anything. Nick, you're still irritating. Since you had been banned from the forum, I had resolved just last week to start deleting your messages from the Guestbook; but I decided to not delete your latest comments. Oddly enough, your comments here have generally been slightly more intelligent and less irritating than your comments in the forum. I just wish you weren't playing games. ;)
Earl

You know if you guys changed the main page you would seem a little less dickish to people, right? (Until they meet Gerald St. Germaine, that is...)
Nick

That's such a great argument David. I am so intimidated. Now I think that sports are the ultimate way of life and that I will now join a sports team and pick on the people who excel academically. Thanks for showing me the truth in life that sports really are the most important thing of all time.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Also thanks for calling me clever.
Nick

So was it the really obvious sarcasm, the hidden I AM NICK message, or the mistake of not turning wifi from my cell phone off that gave me away?

At first I was all like LOL but then I got bored with a character I instantly disliked. Also, I didn't change my way of speaking enough. I tried the frantic teenage angst that's so prevalent on this board but I couldn't make it work for myself. I'll admit I failed epicly there... but I'm not the one with the board that claims to be civil and doesn't even follow its own rules, am I? :) Well, I just hope you don't catch my original.
Nick

David, you probably won't visit this website again; but I'll say this, anyway: I can understand why you would be offended by this website, but those of us who support it do not all think alike. We have different points of view and have sometimes even disagreed with one another in the forum. At least several of us actually don't hate sports. I consider myself to be a critic of the sports culture, which is not the same as hating sports. Even though I'm not a sports fan, I have no problem with sports as a form of recreation. I'm not a gamer, and for about two years I've been working out at a health club on a bodybuilding program. I_like_1981 started working out at a local gym about a month ago. And I'm not very computer literate either.
Earl

HAHAHAHA WOT A LOAD OF FAGGOTZ! YOUR ALL SUCH A BUNCH OF GAYZ I CUD KICK DA SHIT OUT OF YALL! HUHUHUHUH CHEK OUT ME AN MAH HOT GF! SHE BETTA DEN ANYFIN U CUD GET U FUCKIN TECHIE! MY NAME DAVE AND I HEAD JOCK! YOUR SITE IS CRAP!

Is that all you got, Dave? Really? Oh yeah, sorry, you're so right. We MUST be retarded because we don't like sports. We MUST all be pathetic losers because we don't like chasing balls around or watching other people chase balls around. Yeah, how right you are. Silly me. Thanks for showing me the light. Now if you don't mind, I need to go stock up on beer, food, and a bunch of other morons for DA BIG GAME TONITE! WOOOT!

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

What is wrong with sports you retards!?!? You guys are just a bunch of stupid gamers who sit around wasting your time and getting fat and lazy. Wow.. this website is pathetic.
David
Caldwell, ID United States

I can't stand people who follow sports religiously. It's an unhealthy obsession that needs to stop.
Person McMan

If anyone falls for that guy, I will laugh my ass off. *patiently awaits Fat Man's rage post after he bricks his computer*.
Nick

Hello Sporthaters!
Thank you for a wonderful sporthate website. I love this website
Please support my swedish sporthate club, you can support We dont like sport by join. Please click on "gå med" link in my website. Taht means "Join"
Soon i release my sporthate website in english, so everyone can understand.
Please support.

With love from Christian
URL: www.wix.com/avskysport/vi-som-avskyr-sport
Christian <nutte_arvidsson@hotmail.com>
Sweden

Okay thanks, I'll see you all then.
Turudes <Sedurut@ymail.com>

We'd be delighted to have you as a member. Please be patient. The admin who handles new accounts (Skul) sometimes is busy with his job in real life. Don't worry. You will be cleared.
Earl

I'm glad to finally find this place. One of my friends told me about it. I hate sports, you wouldn't believe the shit athletes get away with at my school!!!

Anyways I just made an account... how long does the verification take?
Turudes <Sedurut@ymail.com>

>my face when 1981 gets trolled hard by john copypasta then tries to brag about his response to it, even though he knows its copypasta
asd

The worst example of a moral coward on these forums would be "Captain America". Goes and stirs up all that trouble and abuse on his thread and never comes back to consider any responses. Man, I hate that guy. His post was three years before I found this website. I still hate him.

By the way, Nick, what did you think of my response to "john"? I have to admit, that message got me so mad. His self-important face on that photo and slutty girlfriend reminded me of one of my old enemies from high school. After typing out my rather emotionally-charged response to his post I smashed my computer desk twice with my fist and roared at the screen. True dat.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

"It's funny because none of you have been in highschool for at least two decades" What the hell? What are you smoking? I'm in high school, and so are many other members here. I know for a fact that there are still immature jocks who pick on others at high school. Think before you post.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Nick, I was at high school from the years of 1992 to 1997, so your presumptions about all the members here having not been to high school in at least 20 years are wrong. Yes, back in the mid-90s things were slightly different. There wasn't so much technological chitchat. Mobile phones were only just starting to become commercially popular, the Internet was not a great deal more than just text and a few pictures (we hadn't got Facebook then, THANK GOD, I'd have probably received further grief for being the only person not to have one), computers were pretty crap and slow compared to what we have now and as for iPods... well, there was none of them. Walkmen were in back then but they were banned from our school due to all the scumbags stealing them. Nonetheless, I had one - didn't bring it in, though. That would have been a bad idea. But the way I see it is, there have always been intolerant and cruel students around whose attitudes simply stink and this will never change. There will always be bullies and victims. The only thing that will change is the way they do it. Nowadays it can be done through social networking sites, instant online chat services etc., stuff that wasn't even around a decade ago. What was your point in that message, Nick? There will always be scumbags who bully in school. It's always been like that. The kids today are no different - some of them bully. Just because they have ways of doing it which people in us older guys' days didn't, doesn't mean their motives or intentions have changed any. There will always be people who take delight in ruining other's lives.

I responded to your message because I'm quite sure you'll be back to read it. We know what you're like, Nick. As for Dara... I don't know. I won't say anything. I think Earl has said what needed to be said. Chances are she'll be one of those "hit-and-run" types who won't come back to read and consider any responses to her message so until I'm proven wrong, I shall take my leave!

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England

She probably won't visit this website again; so, I'm probably wasting time posting this comment. But I've done it, anyway.

Dara, none of us actually has said that playing a sport is "a bad thing." I would challenge you to quote any of our posts that has said so. You have misrepresented our position, either deliberately or out of ignorance. I have said repeatedly that I respect athletic achievement. Before you indict someone, you should take the time to be sure that you understand his point of view. This you obviously haven't done. You say that you feel sorry for us. Pardon me; but you sound condescending, if not sarcastic.

Earl

It's funny because none of you have been in highschool for at least two decades, yet you know what happens to "kids these days."
Nick

The only ones who have scolded Fat Man have been members of the forum because they care about him. The 4chan trolls and their sympathizers have yelled at him and have mocked, ridiculed, and humiliated him -- all under the whitewash of "We're for truth and justice." But what they're really for is manipulating others for their entertainment.
Earl

The extent that Fat Man listens is fairly limited. He'll only admit that he is in the wrong if you call him out very very delicately and only by a respected member of this forum. If he scolded by anyone he doesn't know very well he goes apeshit. Even when he does own up to his mistakes, he does nothing to improve upon them and makes the same hyperbolic statements and continues to jump to illogical conclusions only a few posts later. The guy just doesn't have his head on straight. And please, don't give me that rehashed crap about how he's been through traumatic experiences and that justifies his behavior. I've met people who have gone through some awful things as well, but they try their damnest to persevere through it instead of blaming semi-imaginary boogeymen and decending into insanity.
Who cares

Sorry, Dara; but the CULTURE that is associated with (but is not inherently a part of) CERTAIN (but not all) sports DOES encourage bullying. (Of course, there are more than a few school athletes who reject this culture because of the moral upbringing that they've received from their parents and other authority figures.) I've studied this issue for many years. Today what are nonathletic boys who have no interest in sports called? "Fags." And that's just the starting point. And you mention "discrimination"? To what discrimination are you referring?
Earl

At least when Fat Man is reprimanded, he listens. And we've had the likes of someone called "Samdaman" around who was many times more offensive. I don't think he could make one post (where he made a total of 96, not counting his sockpuppet account, Yo_Joe) without making some kind of insulting or derogatory remark.
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Serious question to the admins here: Why is Fat Man not banned? You guys are quick to ban people who post insulting material but I've read tons of offensive things from Fat Man. It's impossible to take you guys seriously when you keep a member like that around. Do you guys just feel bad for him or something?
Who cares

I have never said that playing sports is a bad thing. Like most of our critics, you misunderstand the position of most of those who support this website.
Earl

Playing sports is not a bad thing, if anything they help you meet new people/friends and if your local sports team does well it will generate money for the local economy. Sports is not the problem here, it does not make people act like assholes, nor does it encourage bullying. Your anger and hate is misplaced and quite frankly I feel sorry for you guys. Life is too short to waste on stuff like hate and discrimination and in the long run won't do any of you a lick of good.
Dara

if ya don't like it don't fucking come here. its cause of you fuckin 4chan dolts why they're not validating all accounts that get made. i'm hardly surprised by it. why are they gonna let you fuckin spammers waste more of their time? 4chan = idiot and timewaster congregation.
4chan sucks

in b4 this comment gets deleted. also LOL@ members here who say sports fans are supressing free speech but then deleting opposing comments on the guestbook and preventing peple with opposing beliefs from registering on their forums. never change sportssuck.org!
erghq

If you want my opinion, the most idiotic sports bores are the ones that type in nothing but capitals. COZ WERE LIKE DA BEST ONES HERE AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS! HAHAHA! I wonder what they're trying to prove that way?

Best regards,
i_like_1981
England,

Not that I was around when Samdaman was around, but he doesn't seem like the kind of person that would capitalize when appropriate.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

* Earl bursts out laughing and continues to laugh and chuckle for over a minute. *
Earl

That just shows how little he matters, Earl. :P
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Hasn't anyone noticed that Samdaman has returned? (Scroll down past several messages.) No reaction? ;)
Earl

Nick, your entire argument consisted of "I'm only 14 years old" and "Chill out and smoke a bowl man". You "fail hard". You waste your time on sites that you have no definite opinion on. Now screw off, I'm getting bored with you.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Mike, I like your optimism. Sadly it just doesn't work for all of us. Particularly when you have greasy hair, stubble and glasses. ;)

Nick, stop spamming.
i_like_1981
England

Now, my /sp/ friend, they've only deleted one thing which I added for the specific purpose of them making a rage topic about (if you truly wrote the fanfics, thank you for the idea). I never expected it to last. However, the main point I want to argue with you is my age: I am 14 years old. =)

Also... Baddy, your whole argument was that someone frm 4chan disagreed with me... so yes, you failed hard. :-)

I'll check back in a few days for some replies. To be honest, I wish I had added some quotes to the Fat Man page. Some of his posts were golden.

Also, Spartan, do you think there should be a Sports Suck page as well as or instead of a Fat Man page? A lot of the stuff on the Fat Man page isn't about him. Thoughts?
Nick

To all of you fellow single sports haters out there that are looking for hot chicks...this is a GREAT time of the year for that. Just go to any sports bar and you will find TONS of hotties that are not being given the proper attention by their NBA Finals watching boyfriends...Just take your pick....their boyfriends or dates will be so into the game that they will NOT EVEN NOTICE THAT THEIR CHICK DOES NOT CARE!!!!!!!!!!
Mike

I HATE sports. I always have and I always will. Up until now, I thought I was alone in my absolute HATRED of sports until I found this website. I fail to see the attraction of sports. In fact, I find sports to be gay. A bunch of men playing around with each other. Who the hell wants to see that?
Shawn Rubin <h47xxx@gmail.com>
Van Nuys, CA United States

Hey, faggots! You thought you'd seen the last of me, eh? Well, I'm BACK; and I'm gonna get revenge! Bwhahahahahaha!
Samdaman

Just so the message that I posted previously will make sense, the "brief message" has been deleted (by Ray, I assume). It's no big deal. I just didn't want the reader to be confused. Anyone can be impersonated on this guestbook webpage, which gives me an idea ...
Earl

I did not write the brief message below that was submitted in my name. Someone has misappropriated my username for his own purpose. As proof, I am not in the habit of using hyperbole.

Sports hater, please don t assume that all of the forum members who support this website all think alike and have the same views. We don't practice groupthink. I do not hate sports fans. If you read enough of my posts, you would see that.

I will assume that your criticism is sincere and that you re not just making a misrepresentation for the sake of putting yourself in a superior position (which, as you must admit, is easy to do in this medium where true identity cannot be established conclusively). For several months we ve had a problem with a group of trolls acting together (not just individuals) targeting our website; hence, our suspiciousness at this time. Regarding SmartSportsPerson, I did use the e-mail function to send him an apology for my initial reaction to his posts. At first to me he did seem to be smart-alecky. At one point he personally insulted one of the other members over his marital status, which (as you must admit) has absolutely no relation to any issue relevant to this website. Again, I apologized to SmartSportsPerson; but he was not without fault in the matter.

If you would check older topics, you would see that Polite24, SportsGuy92, and Andy (all of whom were decent critics of this website) were allowed to post as long as they wanted. I will admit that some of us have been quite rude to sports fans, but I ve not been one of them. If you checked the topic Here for a civilized debate, you will see that we actually split over the way Andy was treated. Even Skul the forum admin was furious over the way he was treated. I even apologized at his football fan website. So, please don t be so quick to make such a broad generalization about all of us.
Earl

I don't really like sports but...I was looking at your board, and the way you guys treat sports fans is abominable. I've lurked around and I understand many of you have been bullied or have seen the negative aspects of sports culture. Be that as it may, thats no excuse for you to irrationally dismiss any sports fan simply for liking sports. No everyone on your board who engages you in debate is a troll. In particular I've seen "SmartSportsFan" get dismissed and insulted for giving you tips how to deal with trolls. That's outrageous! You people should be ashamed of yourselves. You guys are even worse than the sports fans you hate!
A sports hater

No, the admins had to validate accounts to keep out the trolls (as opposed to serious critics), who (by definition) (the trolls, that is :) ) aren't serious and really have nothing to say. You give yourself away, troll. Now run along like a good little boy to 4chan or your favorite porn website.
Earl

>mfw admins had to validate accounts because they were afraid new posters could hurt their little feelings
Ray Finkle

Another /sp?/artan frustrated! Score!!!
Ray

You are right, Nick. I did rage. It's because of you that sportssuck.org thinks everyone is a 4chan troll. Thanks for ruining any lulz potential, cunt. Now we can't have funny trolls like Hank come in and produce hilarity. Now we have to deal with your half-assed shit trolling. Also, it's obvious you aren't 14. You suck. No one likes you. Even the ED admins had to delete your shitty contributions to the wiki. You're trolling yourself.

Whoever said that a perfect game is easy because they saw one in little league made me lol. 10/10, made me rage hard. The trolling is strong in that one.

And Ray, you are terrible. A sports fan who ISN'T a troll comes in here for some discussion and you're response is "YAY ANOTHER SPORTS FAN PISSED OFF". Seriously, if you guys are going to talk shit about 4chan, but then respond in a juvenile manner towards a rational person then I've got news for you: You are just. like. us. Feels good to sink to the bottom doesn't it?
/sp/artan

Sportfan80, you waited ONE DAY for validation? Look, we have lives, you know. You've been validated now, but the reason it took an unbearably long amount of time was because I'm busy in real life.
Skul
Glasgow, Scotland

Another frustrated sports fan (below). SCORE!!! :)
Ray

I signed up for an account on here yesterday which never got validated, so i then went and had a look around your forums. jesus christ, you people are pretty paranoid. you are presuming that everyone who wants to sign up fot your forums is a troll who wants to spam you. no wonder you are hardly getting any activity on here and lot of your members are getting bored stiff. i myself am a fan of sports and dont particularly like seeing what the aparent recent attacks on your forum have done to the morals of some of your members; it's obvious some of you want a debate but just aren't getting it. yeah, you don't want trolls spamming your forum, which is understandable. But how hard can it be to delete a few pointless posts or ban a user? surely not that hard. You have a Spammer rank. Use it. i would have liked to have a talk on your forums. but it's obvious the people who run your board presume that everyone signing up now is a spammer who just wants to cause trouble, therefore i see no use in signing up to a forum where I have to beg in order to be allowed on and where I'm probably just going to get a load of unjustified suspicions thrown at me anyway. So have fun, and if you are ever getting bored to death on here of nobody having anything to say, you'll understand why. Even with the ass-licking username of "smartsportsperson" (i think that's what it was) I can't even get on here. I know when people dont want to talk, so goodbye, and best of luck with your ambitions in life.

Yours, Sportfan80


Sportfan80

Nick, I never claimed that 4channers all act together. I said that the 4channers don't like you, and that is a "hard fail (what were you smoking when you made that up? I guess I don't even need to ask) that you misinterpreted my comment that bad. And I'm afraid you are the one that requires a break from the Internet if you spend so much time on it that you join a forum that has ideology that you have no opinion on. Then again, I suppose my points are rendered useless, because you're 14 years old. Oh my god!
HugeFanOfBadReligion

As well, transgenders are grooooooosssss...
Nick

Lol HugeFanOfBadReligion, fail hard... what you seem to believe is that everyone who visits 4chan is part of a group and that none of the people who visit the website act without approval of the whole. That is retarded, and you have failed. Now, 4channer, I believe you are suffering a case of nerd rage, and should take a break from the internets. =)
Nick

1981, I wouldn't exactly suggest putting your Email on this site considering all of the trolls. I know they can't do much with an Email address, and it would only cause a minor setback, but if it falls into the wrong hands they can become annoying until you do something to stop the Emails, such as marking certain addresses as spam or getting a new Email.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Well, Tessa, I don't particularly like being branded such names as "faggot", "queer" or "gay" because I don't share the same interests in sports as everyone else. Some of our members, including myself, react defensively when attacked. I believe in giving back what I get to any flamers on here. If they start off with the swearing and insults then I give it back to them. There is no point in being reasonable to those who quite clearly are only here to cause problems. Sorry if you find some remarks on this website quite offensive but when the insults are thrown around on this website, it is not exactly the time for people to showcase their finer sides. As for the Jersey of shame, I believe that is only given to the most obnoxious and unreasonable sports fans. It is done to point out those who have shown an exceptional level of obnoxiousness and ignorance. I don't believe every sports fan who visits here is a bully and should be given it, but if we are insulted by authoritarian sports fans on here we have to give them back what they give to us. Admirable? Not exactly. Justified? Yes.

Best regards,
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England,

Tessa, I don't exactly agree with some of the homophobic things on the site either, however I do believe it is just to be ironic because jocks always call unathletic people "fags" or phrases along the lines of that. They basically claim that all non athletes are homosexuals, and they are definitely homophobes. It just makes them mad I guess because they think they are more privileged than us and only we can be made fun of.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Can someone please explain why is this site so homophobic? I mean giving people who aren't liked by the site admins avatars saying GAY, or calling people 'homo', like seriously? I would like to join here because I'm tired with sports but as a transgendered person I find such acts by the admins offensive.

Love, Tessa
Tessa

Fantasy Football = Dungeons & Dragons for jocks...
Mike

"Pitcher Pitches Perfect Game"

So what's the big deal? I once pitched a perfect game in little league when I was eleven so if an eleven year old kid can pitch a perfect game so should a full grown man. Big whoop.
Jim

Touche, HugeFan!
Earl

This may be one of the first time I've seen a 4chan comment I agree with. How do you feel now Nick, nobody cares for you. Obviously we don't, but also the 4channers you have sucked up to even don't care about you. You tried to brag about yourself because of something that required no skill, and you failed. Now get off of the Internet.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Hey Nick, you're a fucking faggot, so is everyone else on this website, but you are the worst. You are not hot shit for trolling Fat Man months after people stopped caring. Also, don't edit ED if you are only going suck your own dick, post funny shit. Nobody cares if you came on this board and trolled Fat Man -- anyone can do that. Do it in a funny way.
/sp/artan who wrote the fanfics

Nick, I just read your contribution to ED. You truly are a little punk. You're just a little coward hiding behind a computer. Careful you don't cross the wrong guy in real life. Get lost.
Earl

Nick, you weren't banned because of your opinions entirely, you were banned because you would post so much with such little content. You just posted random shit that had nothing to do with anything and made no points, and that was annoying to read. It was a waste of my time, and I was/am low on time. And your latest comment on Fat Man, that is just sickening, and is a perfect example of why you were banned. You are an immoral asshole and I hope you get what's coming for you. Sorry everyone else for feeding the troll, hopefully if he responds again I won't respond back.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Regarding the reason you were banned, you had nothing serious to say. You were just showing your contempt for us by playing your little childish games by submitting little posts that were frivolous. You have no respect for us; so, why should we have any respect for you? If you "want justice," why don't you hound the nine teenagers who have been indicted for driving Phoebe Snow to commit suicide? Of course, you'd rather target Fat Man. You and your little friends have no understanding of the concept of justice. I hope you have a good life.
Earl

*yawn* "Go away, boy. You bother me."
Earl

Ehhhh, since I'm banned I'll say it. I'm not gonna lie back and take it like Fat Man.

Come on, somebody had to say it. =D
Nick

Oh, and that topic was in the off topic forum. =P
Nick

Well, one last post: You're basically saying that because I'm unwanted (due to a dissenting opinion) I should leave a board that many members say is for debate. That's pretty silly, reminds me of fifth grade.
Nick

Sorry, Nick. Perhaps some longer, more informative posts would have been in order if you'd have wanted to stay on the forums. You didn't even tell us what your definite standing was on this sports issue; your posts just seemed to talk about weed, trolling, 4chan etc. I wouldn't say you were a flamer but that rank of SPAMMER was most definitely justified. I mean, that topic saying "Next time, when high, I will share the moment with this board". That was pretty useless. I won't deny that some of the treatment you got was a little heavy-handed but perhaps it was not the best time to start going on and on about the wonders of 4chan when our board was recently raided and harassed by it and some rather sick jokes made at the expense of some of our members. You defended 4chan and did provoke some of the members on our board. You didn't have a lot to say but you sure put down a hell of a lot of posts anyway. It was kinda wasting space and time on the board. Yes, I can accept the fact some of the members didn't give you the nicest welcome but perhaps in that case the best thing to do is just leave if they don't want to talk to you. I give up quickly when I realise people just don't want anything to do with me. It saves trouble and time instead of constantly bugging them and getting in the way of their lives and I can concentrate on my own life instead of worrying what their reaction will be to the next thing I say. Sometimes it's best to quit early as there are people out there who don't like persistence in other people. It's a defeatist attitude, I know, but it really wouldn't have been a bad idea here.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>
England

Nick, I had to ban you because I had no choice; and I think you know that. One of our longtime members was threatening to leave because of your childish antics. He was tired of Romper Room. As far as banning SPORTS ROCK is concerned, he left on his own accord. At least he was sincerely in what he believed, unlike you. You never wanted to have a serious discussion of any kind. You showed no disposition to listen to what others have to say, which is a mark of maturity. All you ever wanted to do at this website is just play your little games. You are in no position to lecture anyone, not even Fat Man. You show a moral deficit, which I hope will be corrected in time when you learn that life is a serious business and not just a game; and you are not someone whom I would consider to be a good Catholic. Grow up.
Earl

Also, you can reach me on Xbox Live as darksword95, if you wish to QQ moar.
Nick

Well, I figured I'd leave a parting message to each of my pals.

Earl- Other than your irrational hatred of 4chan, you weren't too biad. Same goes for i_like_1981.

Blackdog444- You're just plain nuts. You were the first to be hatin' on me, for no apparent reason. Perhaps if you had given me a chance, heard me out, certain events would not have come to pass. That being said, smoke weed erryday. (Even though I made clear multiple times I was joking with you.) Also, on your big kids comment... are you calling yourself fat? Don't put yourself down, girl... that's my job. ;)

Sparkle- Errr... keep on sparkling, I guess. Just not in states where fireworks are illegal.

Fat Man- I like to think you're a God-tier master troll, but sometimes I worry that you're serious... if so, well, there are stranger things in life, I suppose. Our chats were fun and refreshing. I think you need to update your main page to this website. Read the topic where I deconstruct the opening paragraph for ideas on how to make things better. Also, if you were truly worried about 4chan, stop making yourself major trollbait. When you spend all your time insulting and joking about things important someone, and then they insult and joke about you; don't have the nerve to play the victim. It's pathetic and childish.

Sergey- Even though I never spoke with you, if you were truly a troll, you would be ripping this site a new one right now. There is no haven for a troll other than 4chan. Trolls troll everyone, not just certain targets. Shame on you.

This will be my last post for a while. It's been fun, guys. Also, I'd like to ask why I was banned when I didn't get the required (and ironic) three strikes. I was polite, used good grammar, hell, if I didn't specify you wouldn't have guessed my age... but you keep Sports ROCK. That seems pretty unfair. Well, /endrant
Nick

Stick a drumstick in his mouth.
Earl

First off: I think we should restrict all sports to a subcrition channel for example (like the porn channels) and leave the news, local television and basic cable alone. I don't have contempt for sports. Sports are beneath contempt!
Contact the FCC, and start petitions! Let's raise the standard for television everywhere!

On a personal note, how should I take care of my abnoxious brother in law, he gets really loud when we say grace on thanksgiving and it is disrespectful.

Any help in this matter is appreciated.

Thank you,

Kira
KIRA <patrick.stonebronx@gmail.com>
Bronx, NY USA

"As for the list HFoBR was talking about, I think the real insult is that Don Cherry was ahead of Gretzky, or that anyone was ahead of Gretzky for that matter". Come on, you really believe that Gretzky is more important than the telephone or insulin or our first prime minister or the person who made our universal health care system? Or that he's better than Terry Fox, who ran across half of the country with a prosthetic leg and cancer and would have ran across the whole country if he didn't die? That's just low. I really hope you weren't serious. I mean you think that a hockey player is better than a Nobel Prize winner who saved lives on an extremely large scale, which is just pathetic if you are serious. All Gretzky has done is hit a puck into a net a bunch of times.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Does it Matter, you re welcome. I think that s what many people do who post in website forums. They post frequently in a short period of time, then don t post as often and eventually leave the website. Nah, I m not trying to trick you in any way. :) You can visit this website as often as you like (if you can stand it). Of course, I realize that you might find comments by one or more of the members offensive -- comments with which I m likely to disagree also, even though I support this website. Those of us who support this forum have our differences.

I m a middle-aged guy with two grown children who started posting at websites recently (in January of last year). I ve noticed that many forum exchanges are rather reactionary and that there s the temptation to loose one s temper with whomever you disagree. (I ought to know. I ve done it several times at another website and at least once at this one, and I ve apologized each time either publicly or by PM.) Name-calling seems to be a frequent result, which can be entertaining only when wit is employed by the combatants. I just don t go for that anymore. I m willing to hear from someone who has had experiences different from my own. In fact, I m rather interested in a different point of view so I can learn something.

Another problem with board messaging is that the potential exists for misunderstanding. I ve learned this fact the hard way. Some people give the impression that they re mean and hateful with their overheated rhetoric (which is not to say that some people who use overheated rhetoric aren t mean and hateful). I ve gotten to know several members of this forum personally. They re nice guys, but some of their comments create a false impression. Now all I want to do in any website forum is to communicate and not be misunderstood, and possibly understand someone else s point of view.

Anyway, I ve blathered enough. I will respect whatever choice you make. This website is not for everyone (although I would welcome anyone, as far as I m concerned). Granted, I wouldn t recommend it to my personal trainer at my health club because he would get annoyed with it. I don t agree with every single statement at this website either.


Earl

Thanks for the offer Earl, but I'm not really a forum guy it seems. Whenever I join one, I have a brief period of extreme activity then I just stop posting or even going to the site altogether.

Or could that be your plan? :p

As for the list HFoBR was talking about, I think the real insult is that Don Cherry was ahead of Gretzky, or that anyone was ahead of Gretzky for that matter
Does it Matter? <whywouldyoupostthis@youcrazypeople.com>

Hi, Quiet One. There's no need to apologize. I'm fairly busy, too. Just post when you can. I hope that the new approach I have in mind will work. At least it's worth a try.
Earl

Earl,

This is the one marked as 'what freedom of speech?' before. Been busy, so I apologize for not getting back in regards to registering, maybe holding a fair dialogue within the forums.

I've browsed the forums and noticed the attacks that have been made on the site. I can understand why people would rail against the site, and why people on the site would rail against sports as well. In spite of that, I'm still interested in joining up, and I will see about registering. As is probably obvious from the delay in responding before, I likely won't be on every day, but I'll do my best to try and hold up a fair discussion.
The Quiet One

JJ, in Canada, it's the same. Hockey players are called heroes, and we basically let them represent the country. It's sad that here, hockey is basically considered the most iconic and significant thing about our country. Hockey is considered more significant than anything related to Canadian politics. They don't care that we are a multicultural society, they don't care that we have a health care system that is unique from most countries, but they'll think that we are better than the Russians because we beat them in hockey in the Olympics. In fact, check out this link: http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/standings/
In that link, there is a list of people considered the greatest ten Canadians of all time. Don Cherry, an ex-hockey player/coach and now a host of a hockey television show, was considered the seventh best Canadian of all time. He was ranked greater than Sir John A. Macdonald (our first prime minister)and Alexander Graham Bell (the inventor of the telephone). Apparently a hockey television show is more important than the telephone or the first prime minister. And a hockey player named Wayne Gretzky was ranked as the tenth best. That is an insult, making two people whose only significant accomplishments were involved with hockey considered some of the greatest ten Canadians of all time.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

JJ, the same is true in the United States.
Earl

I live in Australia and what I hate is the esteem that people who play sport well are held. If your good at sport great and good on you but here we call you a 'hero'. I think its offensive. Our diggers are heros; firemen are heros; leaders who make sacrifices to help those in need are heros. Kicking a ball well does not make you a hero and people who use that word to put them in the same category as those men and women who really are changing the meaning of the word.

What gets up my nose so much are the sportspeople referred to as heros also break the law and treat women like objects. People should be seen the way that they are and not be given special treatment cause they play sport well.

I also hate channel ten for screwing around regular programming for sport - isnt that what the sister channel One is for?

I wish we valued art and science a little more. Not necessarily to manic proportions which we value sport.
JJ
Australia

Fucking hate Sports.
I live in Australia and if you hate sports here, its like you have a mental disorder.
AWarGuy

"Does it Matter?", so you're surprised that I criticized you because you claimed that you were going to harass people through email just because they have a different point of view? And I find it funny that there are so many pro-sports websites that would hardly receive any criticism at all, however there is likely only a few or no websites similar to this, and the website receives more criticism than could be imagined.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Just a little hyperbole in my last post.
Jim

I'm sick of turning on the computer every morning and having the latest "unbelievable sports play" shoved down my throat. The only time I read and enjoy a sport related story is when a football player gets paralyzed from the neck down. Now THAT'S entertainment!
Jim

Thanks for the compliment (in your second paragraph).

I see an opportunity for dialogue here, instead of the usual tit for tat of exchanged insults. You express an interest in the question of why some people do not like sports. You apparently are open-minded enough to consider views that are expressed at this website; otherwise, you wouldn't be reading this now. I commend you for that. If you registered to post in the forum, I'd be willing to give you an interview that would allow you to present your side and would also allow you to understand our own. Since I am a moderator (no big deal, I know), I would be able to control the course of the interview by deleting any posts that attacked you personally. I do know that an exchange of insults can be amusing if there is some wit involved, but I think this interview approach might be interesting. I've never done it before. I just thought of it. I'm interested in your point of view. If my efforts resulted in understanding on both sides, that would be great.
Earl

yes, I hate free speech and put my opinion so far ahead of others that I got to a site populated by people who I generally disagree with and make an effort to read every new post they make (at least the ones related to sports, not the off-topic/forum game posts) to see what is about sports that people don't like.

Thankfully we have true defenders of freedom like you who are only here because the people DO agree with you, thus allowing you to close yourself from any outside views. And even when any differing opinion is voiced it is almost immediately shouted down by either you or Fat Man, the person who made said view is labeled a "monkey boy jock" or "spammer troll", they are made to feel inferior because of their beliefs (if only there was a word to describe that...) and almost any chance of a real discussion is put on hold until Earl or 1981 shows up.

Also, do you REALLY believe I would spend my entire day(s) going through hundreds of posts to enter them into 32 individual email fields for my own amusement? I mean, as much as I'd love to, I've got football practice in the evening. ;p

Seriously, some of the people on this site are wound up so tight if you shoved a piece of coal up their ass you'd have a diamond within 24 hours.
Does it Matter? <whywouldyoupostthis@youcrazypeople.com>

Excellent site! SPORTS SUCK!!!!
gjc866

"Does it Matter?", typical, low life, anti free speech, sports loving jock. You don't like what some people say, so you try to make them angry. In this case by harassing them through their email. I don't know if you're just some stupid jock who only respects his own point of view, or if you're some low life 4chan asshole who tries to control the Internet and eliminate free speech. Either way, you need to grow up, and stop living your life off of the reactions of others.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I'd just like to say that everyone who posted their emails in this guestbook can be expecting a newsletter from every NFL team in the near future
Does it Matter? <whywouldyoupostthis@youcrazypeople.com>

1 sports friend turned ape like on me, and i only have my 2 dance friends! SOPRTS SUCK SO BAD!
Rylie <Saphirebrausam@rocketmail.com>
Roseburg, OR U.S.A

I would enjoy having a conversation with you, however as Earl mentioned, it's a bad idea to post one's information publicly, especially on a targeted site like this. You should consider joining the forum. I would enjoy having a civilized conversation. I'm sure most members would be receptive of you if you are kind. You must remember that the ideas of each member are not identical. I have been friends with several athletes, however they are smart athletes who know that academics have a much higher priority than their sports. I dislike sports not because I'm not interested in them, but because I've noticed that the majority of athletes (and this is from personal observation) are not as bright as other non athletic students, and they enjoy tormenting people who are unlike them. Some members would kill every athlete on the planet if they could, however that is not all members, and I would never promote killing athletes. And some members don't hate sports, but just don't like certain aspects of the sports culture, like Earl. Not every member thinks the same way. I hope to see you on the forums.

HugeFanOfBadReligion
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Hi, this is Earl. Ray (the cite Admin) has just called my attention via e-mail to your message here in the Guestbook.

Thanks for the kind compliment. I prefer to think of myself as a sports critic, not a sports hater. I do not believe in hating people, and I prefer dialogue to diatribe.

Assuming that you re not a troll, I d be delighted if you joined the forum. Admittedly, since we recently experienced a raid by trolls, our patience is a bit short with anyone who would just be a nuisance; but we have no problem with serious posters.

I would disagree with you, though, about our record of tolerating dissent. We have not been quick to ban sincere critics of this website, not even the hateful ones. There are other websites, including sports websites, that are quick to ban new forum members if they don't like what they say. In comparison, we re actually tolerant of dissenting forum members. Of course, I m not taking into account any rude reactions by individual members. You ll find rude posters at just about any website. I m simply referring to banning.

Furthermore, we do not practice groupthink here. Yes, we re a small group; but we re quite diverse. We have a wide age range, from teenagers to middle-aged adults. As a 59-year-old, I m the oldest forum member (although I had nothing to do with the creation of this website and didn t discover it until late December of 2008). Several of our members are women. Several of the active members are British, one is Australian, one is Canadian, and the rest Americans. Politcally some of us are liberal, some are conservative, and at least one of us is apolitical. Religiously some of us are atheists or agnostics, one is converting to Judaism, and at least one of us is a Christian. At least two of us work out at a health club or a gym. We don t always agree with each other. Earlier this year we had a major split over the negative way a new member who plays football at Montana State was received by some of the other members, which caused him to leave us. I even apologized for the way he was treated at the football fan website where he regularly posts as a member.

I would point out that we are not a pressure group or a social movement. We only represent a minority view. We re just a small community of people who sometimes even joke with each other. If I may use a political analogy, think of yourself as a Democrat, say, living in a predominantly Democratic Congressional district who is aware that there is a young Republican couple who live down the street and invite Republican friends over to talk about politics. You wouldn t necessarily be motivated to bang on their door and tell them what terrible people they are. That s all that we are. You could think of this website as our home.

I d also like to point out to you that most of the sports fans who have actually left messages at this website (by submitting posts as forum members, leaving messages in the Guestbook, or sending e-mails to the Letters columns) have been rather hateful. Yes, I realize that hotheads are more likely to bother to leave messages at a website than those who just shrug it off. The point is that there is hatred on both sides, and attempts have been made to shut this website down.

You must understand that some of us have had some rather painful experiences that were in some way connected with sports; and I do understand that sensitive guys like the Montana State football player object to being subjected to a negative stereotype (and rightly so), as most of the members of this website s forum have been subjected to a negative stereotype themselves of a different sort. But, aside from that, I don t understand the heated reaction of some sports fans, as if they feel threatened by this website. Considering that we represent a minority point of view, who would even care? Since we are such a small minority and have no power, why do these people care what we think? There s intolerance on both sides.

I hope this long-winded response hasn t bored you. I d be glad if you joined the forum. Just remember that sports may not always receive a fair treatment (by virtue of the very nature of this website), just as liberals should not expect a fair treatment of liberalism at a conservative website, and vice versa. Please send another e-mail to the secretary to inform Ray that you would like to join the forum. But leaving your name and e-mail address in the Guestbook would not be a good idea. As two of our members have recently learned the hard way, posting one s e-mail address publicly on a webpage is not wise.
Earl

For as much as Fat Man and others whine for their freedom of speech, you guys don't have much respect for the free speech of those with dissenting opinions. That smacks of totalitarian government actions, much like you guys accuse jocks/sports fans of.

It's funny, really. I'd be willing to join the forum, in a non-trolling or hatred inducing method, but if I even shone light on sports and their fans in a neutral, not even positive, light, I'd be rained down upon by hatred and anger. Earl is about the only sensible member on your forums.

From what I've gathered, he only hates the business aspect of sports, not so much the actual sports themselves. If you guys would be interested in giving me a chance, then leave a legitimate reply, and I will respond in kind with a proper name and e-mail address.
What freedom of speech?

Hier in Deutschland gibt es kein Platz für Fehler! Zurück zur Grundschule mit dir! Das Gehirn existiert für 'nen Grund...
Eine andere Deutscher

I got here through accident really. I don't hate sports and I think you guys are generalizing pretty badly.
Anyway, my point is that the German badge or whatever you have on your first page is kinda wrong. It should read Internationaler Ich hasse Sport Klub.
I don't get why there is on in German, but nvm. I just can't stand it if people try to be international and fail...
Goodbye, and Good Luck.
G. Erman
Germany

finally a website that HATES sports.It ruined people's frickin lives and created JOCKS.(evil people)We nerds and geeks need respect!!!!!I HATE SPORTS!!!!!!!!!
Annam <buffetkrazy@gmail.com>
San Diego, Ca United States of America

Thank you all. I thought I was the only one!
Kenneth

You're welcome. I hope I've done some good.
Earl

No need to apologize. It's the trolls and jocks who need to apologize to everyone who they've made victims, but they're to ignorant to do such an act. I'll register again, thanks for sorting this out.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

Sadly, some sports fans are intolerant. The forum Admin (Skul) notified me in a PM that by the time he noticed your messages here in the Guestbook, he had already deleted your account. He received an auto-generated e-mail, but it did not have any details such as your e-mail address. He said that the troll attack has made it hard to tell who is a legit user and who is not, and suggests that you please register again. We're truly sorry about this situation, and hope that you'll understand. PLEASE register again. I will now inform Skul that I have told you to register again. I'm so sorry about this inconvenience. We really would like you to be a member of the forum. Again, you have our heartfelt apologies.

Earl
Earl

Thanks for the help. It's sad that there are people who would try to put an end to a website just because it has a different idea to it.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

HugeFanOfBadReligion, you're not being a nuisance at all. Yes, we did have an attack of trolls. You certainly haven't seen all of their posts; I deleted many of them. As a result of their mischief, the registration was initially closed; but that was intended to be only temporary. I don't know what the registration policy is right now. I was under the impression that registrants were being screened. I'm sorry to say that I don't know what that entails. As soon as I've submitted this message, I will notify both the forum Admin and the cite Admin that you have been waiting for a response. This problem should be cleared up. Sorry about the delay. We appreciate your interest in our website. I hope to see you posting soon.

Earl
Earl

I hate to be nuisance, but can an administrator/moderator please tell me why I can't register for the forum? I registered, and like I said in my below comment about registration, I recieved an email that said I would recieve another email when my account was activated, and I never recieved the email. I'm just asking because I've been reading the forums for a while and I'd like to participate in them. Is it because of the attack of trolls that I noticed has occured? I can assure you I'm not a troll, and if registration is just closed for a while, when will it be open again? Again, I hate to be a nuisance, and sorry if I'm pestering you guys. Thanks.
HugeFanOfBadReligion

I agree, VERY VERY much so. Get sports out of the schools. Bring Music back in. It has been proven that Music help develope stronger math skills. Sports should be an elective that the PARENTS should have to pay for fully.
Timothy B. Yehle <TBYehle45@Yahoo.com>
Commerce Township, Mi USA

Glad to see there are people like me who dislike sports. I've been reading the forums for a while, and I like what I see. While I do not agree on the extremist points of views, such as lining up sports fans and shooting them, I have experienced discrimination because I am a nerd and unlike the brainless jocks, and people who act such as the roudy, intolerant, brainless jocks, should be punished.

By the way, I registered an account about a week ago and I recieved an Email that said my account would be activated when it was approved by an administrator and I would recieve an Email when this happened, but I never recieved an Email. Perhaps it is because my email address involves the word sk8 (administators, please don't reply to this publicly by posting my full address, I don't want my information posted publicly so jocks can harass me like Fat Man posted about, which I have to say is a very immature act by the jocks), and skateboarding is a sport, and I was mistaken for a troll, however I made that email address quite a while ago when I was I child, or perhaps the administrators haven't gotten around to activating it. Thanks!
-HugeFanOfBadReligion
HugeFanOfBadReligion

holy crap! i thought i was the only living being who hated not only sports in particular, but the entire notion of "team concept". yes, i'm sick to death of hearing all about "teamwork" and how "there is no 'i' in team'" only to endure the self-contradicting, childish, and stupid ritual of naming a "mvp". why in god's name people continue to perpetuate the myth and the lie that "competition is good" when what's needed is some co-operation is something i won't live long enough to figure out. in defense of pro-sports, however, i will admit that of all the over-paid types in this country (and the rest of the world), at least these (ahem) "atheletes" (and actors, singers, etc) do indeed deserve every penny they get. after all, no one is forced to buy tickets, go the stadium, buy a cd or dvd. after that, yes, sports suck.
randy vaughan <randyvaughan@cox.net>
vinton, va usa

>my face when you delete serious posts but keep the troll posts
Boston Slob

>My face when I realise it's no longer the Eighties
>My face when I look at the large crowds flocking to buy the latest popular single in the charts
>My face when I'm about to put on a record that's older than me

Best regards,
i_like_1981
i_like_1981

>implying anyone was trolling and not just stating facts
Engerau

>my face when trolling
Earl

>my face when censorship
Engerau

I can't believe that I neglected to point out the following observation in my previously submitted response to "The Question": Regarding the issue of whether 4chan is "evil," publicly posting someone's mailing address and phone number on a webpage so he can receive prank calls is not exactly decent. The man's failings or weaknesses are besides the point.
Earl

I will make the assumption that you are being serious. What I meant by asking that question was that those who raided this website should have voiced their objections to this website in the forum instead of attempting to overload it with spam. (This website's forum has a long record of tolerating critics, even abusive ones. By "tolerating" I mean that we have not been quick to ban them. Yes, there has been some rudeness; but that's true at just about every Internet forum. But why should we put up with trolls, who aren't even serious?) I also meant that those who support this website may have perfectly understandable reasons for doing so, including reasons that you may not even have heard of or thought about. We also have our own disagreements with each other. Do I agree with all the attitudes manifested by every member of this forum who supports this website? No, I don't. As far as hating people I don't even know (speaking for myself), never in my life have I ever hated athletes. My close friends include several guys with athletic backgrounds. I find the 4chan trolls to be annoying, but I don't hate them. I don't even know any of them, because none of them have ever made a serious effort to get to know any of us.
Earl

I'd just like to say I got a good laugh when after reading a thread (not to mention the multiple ones about "Fat Man" and some Wiki site) about how evil 4chan is, I saw you guys have an entire thread dedicated to "The Game"

http://www.sportssuck.org/ phpbb2/ viewtopic.php? f=11&;t=4344

also Earl: "How can you hate people you don't even know?"

after reading this forum, I thought you would be very familiar with how easy it is for people to hate people they've never met
The Question

I agree with some of what you're saying, but your reasons for them are atrocious.

It's not hard to understand why people enjoy sports. It's the same reason as you enjoy your favorite show that gets interrupted by a sports event. There's just more demand for it now. People gather around for it and enjoy it.

Any school that gives any kind of extreme royalty to it's athletes is not a very good school. A reserved parking space? There would be many complaints against this shit.

Trophies in the school lobby are the school's way of showing their pride towards their students who participate in after-school activities. They represent their school and therefore it's appropriate to show trophies.

Now I am all against physical education. It's all about sports.. any actual fitness is OPTIONAL. It's ridiculous that I had to put up with it. Any time I mention how I"m against the class, a stubborn jock would disagree and call me fat and against my health. I am fit god damnit, and I agree with the fat kids in my class.
James <james@yahoo.com>
California, CA United States of America

Hey Bandits,

My name is Raoh, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are big, muscular, low-lifes who spend every second of their day braining innocent villagers. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever been a successor to a Fist? I mean, I guess it's fun to use Retto Hakou Kon because of your weak Fist, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than failing the successor competition of Hokuto Shinken.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was the strongest man of Hokuto, and conqueror of the world. What sports do you play, other than practicing weak self-taught Fists? I also know techniques of Rakan Nio Ken, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just extracted an arrow from my leg and patched the wound; Shit was SO cash). You are all weaklings who should just depart to heaven by your own hand. Thanks for listening.
Raoh <kingraoh@divinefisting.com>

I'm fat and sassy!

I love sumo wrestling because they're fat!

I also like football because the lineman are fat!

Sorry guys, but I've been caught! Heah comes the judge!

Laugh, and grow fat!
Fat Man

A little known fact....

The first testicular guard "Cup" was used in Hockey in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974.

That means it took 100 years for men to realize that their brain is also important. duh!!!
?everything

Sports suck, definitely; the Olympics, even more so.
Marti Andrews <msmarti_a58@hotmail.com>
Columbus, OH USA

the topics in the sportssuck forum are not one-sided. they are on-topic. hence the name of the forum. jawanda.
Dewon Williams

I just would like to give my opinion. I would love to discuss sports and why you all don't like them in the forum with all of you all. I think you should let those who want to have a discussion, have a discussion, and those who want to troll, you should ban them. I don't think you should ruin the opportunity for everyone else just cause of a couple of douchebags. I respect your guys opinion, but your forums are completly one sided, I think you should open up some stuff for discussion.
JaMarcus Russell <lightdivision@gmail.com>
Dayton, OH USofA

Roland, I appreciate your letter and happen to agree with you. You'd be welcome to express your views in the forum. Sincere dialogue is always welcomed (at least by some of us). I'm very sorry that you were born with a physical disability. Best regards.
Earl

Hello,
I had a good read through many of the posts on your forum and I'm left wondering (at the same time as being left feeling very offended and disturbed) why so many of you think that sports fans are "monkeys" or "unintellectuals"? I'm sure you realise it's possible to like more than one thing. I love sports. I love my local football team, I love watching other teams, I love watching athletes achieve amazing things in the Olympics, etc... I also love other stuff such as the outdoors, hiking, camping, reading about history, reading books in general, learning languages, working out/swimming, going to Uni, listening to music (anything from classical, to metal, to jazz), playing the guitar and hanging out with friends.

Then I come here, and read that I should be lined up and shot. I read that some of the people who are a great inspiration to me should go to prison or be killed. I read that I'm a total thicko, a sports bore, a drooling monkey.

I was actually born with a broken (in several places) tibia and fibula. I've had to have my leg lengthened twice and straightened once and I've never been able to run. I have to wear a leg/ankle support most of the time and there are a lot of things in life I wish I could do, but can't. Sports are one of the things that I've turned to in the past to get me through hard times. They have often been an inspiration for me. If someone with no legs can win medals in the Paralympics, or if someone who is paralyzed can play Tennis or basketball in their wheelchairs, then what's stopping me from doing (some of the) stuff I want to do?

Also, I don't see how digging out random cases where sports people have committed crimes is relevant or fair. You can do that kind of thing with any subculture to make them look bad. I wonder if your heroes who did the Columbine shootings liked sports, Fat Man?

I'm sorry, there are a lot of reasonable people on here and you know who you are. My rant is mainly focused on 1-2 people anyway, I'm sure you know that too.

Roland

It's great to find people who think like I do on this. My hometown is synonymous with SU sports and I don't give a stuff about it. I'm a born townie!
The Olympics are pre-empting Dr. Phil in my area!
John Sposato <sposato@inmail24.com>
Syracuse, NY USA

I escorted a beautiful lady out of a bar once because her boyfriend was too occupied watching a football game with the rest of his brain dead chaps and did not even notice that his lady as bored...

Mike

That has got to be the most overblown stereotype of a Brit I have ever heard since P.G. Wodehouse. Couldn't you be just a tiny bit more realistic?
Mrs. Earl

How can you hate people you don't even know? If you think the supporters of this website all think alike, you're sadly mistaken. I've been married for 30 years, and I've never been overweight. You're welcome to continue your diatribe in the forum or possibly engage in a dialogue, which would be refreshing. By the way, buddy, are you genuine or just another 4chan spammer?
Earl

Hello Chaps,

My name is Winston Holmes the 4th, and I dislike all of you little devils. One could say all you are porky, stupid, 3rd class citizens who spend every moment of their dreadful day looking at silly old pictures. You are all that is horrid in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever escorted a beautiful lady? One means, one guesses it is jolly good fun insulting other people because of your own insecurities, but you devils take to a whole new level. This is even worse than meeting Madam Palm and her five beautiful daughters to pictures on Facebook.

It wouldn t be fair for me to chastise you without giving you the chance to return the favour, pip. Go ahead blighters. One is pretty much perfect. One was captain of the football team (proper football, none of that Yankee tripe), and starter on one s cricket team. What sports do you play? One also gets straight A's at Eton, and has a spliffingly beautiful lady friend (She just made me tea; crumpets were gosh darn spliffing). You little blighters should sort one s life out. Cheerio old boy, cheers for listening.

POOPY

The Olympics is a war without bullets and enforces the "Us Against Them" selfishness paid for by the corporate non-entities that sponsor these events, which are there to keep us in the group think illusion. Resistance is not futile!
? everything

The rather brief three-word message below does not sound very serious. Send in the clowns.
Earl

he's a masterbeater!
Ray

Are you a /sp/artan spammer?
Earl

An opportunity for dialogue: Whom are you referring? What's your point?
Earl

"Well he started playing football for his highschool, his GPA sky-rocketed and he was offered scholarships from well respected colleges"
lol
djmasturbeat <jonathan.m.claydon@gmail.com>
columbus, ohio usa

Incidentally, there are many decent sports fans. You're not one of them.
Earl

The fact that you sign off as "Anonymous" proves that you truly are courageous. Go back to your vulgar board at 4chan.
Earl

What an eloquent rebuttal. You have more than your share of ignorance yourself, buddy.
Earl

Again, the complete and total ignorance of this site only serves to amuse me. Go fuck yourselves.
Anonymous

I most passionately hate sports, especially pro sports, and more especially american pro sports!
Watching sports is the biggest waste of time, energy, money, thought, air that one could spend.
The only thing worse than the egotistical players is the moronic fans. No wonder america is going down the tubes! These morons are all fat and broke, duh, I wonder why?
Dougie
Winnipeg, MB Canada

Professional sports now, arn't even the games they had sprouted from, I have no problem with... say... basketball, or other people playing it or anything of the sort, my problem stems from the fact that the NBA, the NFL, and all others are just around for the money, even though they already have plenty of it!
Gabe

They're not games anymore, they're businesses!
Gabriel Pfeiffer

I absloutely HATE sports to the highest degree! They are a waste of time and effort. Imagine all of the things that the human race could accomplish if there was as much energy put toward actual progression as there is put toward "the Game". And really, that's all it is, A GAME! Seriously, it's not going to benefit you unless you're the one playing. And don't get me started on all the money that is WASTED so that some college/pro player can PLAY. That's not a real job! There's nothing anyone can do to convince me otherwise. It's a pitiful excuse for a profession and I refuse to support it in any way, shape, or form. I can't stand seeing people walking around wearing the tacky merchandise and flashing the labels. It's pathetic! I say grow up and get a life, one that actually matters to the world.
c.j.a.
Canada

What do sports fans (sheep) contribute to society? The typical sports fan is an idiot who stacks pallets for a living or lifts boxes for $7.00 an hour. If you ask him about an author, (the guys who write books), he'd probably stand there with his mouth agape. Sports haters are more likely to be educated and goal oriented than your typical fat, potato chip inhaling, beer guzzling, wife-beating, low IQ sports worshipping MORON.
I spent Super Bowl Sunday learning Skynyrd songs on my guitar...at least I freakin' learned SOMEthing.
Jim

I don't think they're coming back, Ray. They got whacked like frikkin pinatas. I don't think they'll be back anytime soon.
Don

Dem's pretty strong words and ironic since they come from a person too cowardly to join the forum.
Ray

YOU ALL are a bunch of lazy, faggoty, do-nothings that whine and bitch about the fact that everyone you ever met is better then you at just about everything! People like you fuck-sticks are the asshole of our society. You contribute nothing to the advancement of mankind, and have such low self-esteems that you think its somehow ok to hate the exercise and great competition that comes from modern sports. I hope you all die in a fire, but its not like anyone would notice, you basement-dwelling, emo, ugly, worthless sacks of human excrement! Suck a dick!
The only normal person here

WHy would people pay multimillions for sporting parks when we could use them for libraries, homeless shelters, and highways? Why are we in a deficit due to squandering of federal money for recreation? It is all because of sports! Sports have ruined our lives and have completely destroyed the point of our lives! Why must we live on the couch and become virtual servants of athletes!
Audrey Gallinston

i;m so glad i have an husband who hates sport;my first husband was a typical sports lover;he couldnt watch football without getting drunk.you should have seen the mess when he and the lads were watching the world cup in 1990.took 2 days to clear up.thats why sports sucks and so do do those who like it'ps you have got to be drunk to appreciate football9 as in english football
cazwaz <chris.wibberley@blueyonderco.uk>

In the sentence below, the word "crap" (considered by some to be vulgar) should be rendered in its adjectival form, which is "crappy."
Elvis Presley

The person below me has pretty crap grammar and spelling.
Michael Jackson

from the age of five years old my father used to take me to football matches.i was literally bored to tears.my father still loves sport so you might think i was a disappointment to him.my father cant even wire a 13amp plug up whereas i am very capable in all d.i.y and it astonishes me that people cant do their own car repairs.from an early age i learnt the piano and am now accomplished ,yet none of my family have ever requested that i play for them even after all these years.i have alarge collection of vintage jazz 78s and various wind up gramophones yet no one has ever expressed the slightest interest in this.i love the opera ,the ballet ,the theatre.i love art galleries,stately homes,etc.i have a fully kitted out workshop where i can make practically anything.i love reading classic literature and am especilly fond of sir.walter scott.And yet I am entirly dismissed by my peers. why /because i hate football and that is so totally unreconcilable with everybody.you see'all i ever hear anyone ever talk about is football and you can be the most talented person in the world ,but if youy hate football you are sunk.
christopher wibberley <chris.wibberley@blueyonderco.uk>
sheffield, s.yorks england

I hate sports more than anything in the world, and I'm not exaggerating. I hate P.E. and I hate playing sports. Today, our class had to choose between yoga or basketball for P.E. and we each voted for one. Most people voted for basketball. I just couldn't understand. I hate all that running and stuff, it's all so stupid and tedious. I almost fucking cried. SPORTS. SUCK.
Robann <kennymccormickfan@hotmail.com>
Surrey, BC Canada

I was formerly obsessed with sports. I played football in high school, and to this day play basketball occasionally with some local guys. I soon realized that sports is inherently corrupt on many levels. The potential positives coming out of organized sports are mostly crushed by the money and corruption.
Harold
Highland, UT USA

Yeah, I'm beginning to like these two now. They may be sports fans but at least they are tolerant and have even proved themselves able to withstand the abuse they've been receiving on here and still keep a friendly tone! Quite an achievement. If anyone ever started swearing at me and ignoring the points I addressed to them in my posts then I would be most glad to sling it back at them! I admire your withstanding of the hate shown towards you (by me as well) Tony and Andy! You've defended your points well and stayed calm through all the mindless hate. i_like_1981 owes you a pat on the back! Now then, the footbore World Cup is coming NEXT YEAR to our TV screens and I definitely know what all of England will revolve around for a few months or so. Well, perhaps only a few days... our team doesn't tend to win over all the aces like Brazil despite the massive emphasis our country places on soccer. Soccer is the national sport of England and that is probably why I hate it so much! I think sports are just games but raising them to the status of national icons seems a bit excessive in my opinion. I understand how people can get worked up - it's national pride. Pride in your country and belief that they can triumph. But is there any need for violence and hate shown towards people JUST because their team may have succeeded over ours? It's only men in shorts! Men in shorts kicking a ball do not judge the strength and honour of a whole country or race of people. Yet unfortunately this is not known to some sports fans. Football is the one deciding factor between someone's country being great or just "crap"! That's what they'll have you believe! Support your team if you want but don't depend your personal morale and happiness on their abilities. Cause they could well disappoint which I learned to expect from England! WE mess up a lot, and it's not just soccer... look at the government and the credit crunch! This country is beginning to falter! The last time our team won the World Cup was 15 years before I was born... people still talk about it now like it was yesterday. Wow, England won ONCE! 44 years ago! It shows how crap a team really is if its fans constantly feel the need to keep reminding themselves and the whole population how it proved itself to be the so-called "mightiest" on one occasion. Yeah, that was once! I know I'm a bad one for living in the past but not with footbore! I love the things the past gave us... I don't brag on about certain events that make me somehow feel "proud" of my heritage even though I personally did nothing to make them happen. The 2010 Footbore World Cup is coming! Avert thine eyes, sports haters... in fact, feel free to hide away in your pre-built footbore shelters on 11 June and I'll send you a message when it's safe to come out! Be careful! The last bastion of common sense lies with us! (Just joking.)

Best regards,
i_like_1981
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>

Tony, you show a lot of class. Thanks.
Earl

i_like_1981, thank you for explaining your reason. Yes, I know about the old "eye for an eye" rule. Wasn't it a Babylonian law? or was it Mesopotamia? I mix them all up sometimes... but it was like this. If you killed another mans slave, your own slave would be killed. If you blinded someone, you in return would aslo be blinded. I never ended up reading the Harold letters, but I read them last night and I can tell you that you should just ignore them. You don't need to apologize to us when you did nothing to us. I can clearly see (now) that your post was directed at Harold (whoever that is on Gridiron.. I still don't know). Sorry for the Harold letters, I hope something like that never happens again.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

C'mon guys, enough with the damn bickering!!!!!!

Nobody here cares about other forums where "Real Men hang out"!!!!! The real men that attend this forum like to sit back and talk about the hilarity that we see on a daily basis that involves people that are WAY TOO INTO SPORTS!!!!
You know, people that can tell you who Tony Romo is but have never heard of Joe Biden, people that are over the age of 40 who watch THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES!!!, people that would rather watch a football game than "Apocalypse Now", people that try to talk tough and insult you if you are not into sports, who then go home to their lonely , fat alcoholic lives, people who still care about high school football enen though they were born when Richard Nixon was president, people who play fantasy football, and last but not least, grown men that still collect baseball cards. You guys need to get rid of those baseball cards (pack them away and put them where your old star wars toys are), put a suit on, and go to a bar and meet some FINE WOMEN and quit bickering!!!!!!!
Mike

Hopefully, most of the action of this three-ring circus is being transferred to the forum, which is where it belongs.
Earl

Getting back to you now, the last post I made on this guestbook was just to let off some steam after being banned. Had to be done - I can be a bit extreme at times. Returning to the point, my post in the gridiron forums was quite clearly addressed to that jackass, Harold. In all honesty, I have no beef whatsoever with you two, Andy or Tony. I saw the link to that thread in the forums and quickly jumped on the opportunity to give a person who has stereotyped us all by calling us "gay nerds" and "fags" a piece of my mind. Yes, it's quite obvious to see why I was banned. But Earl offered that guy a dialogue several times and never got one, so I felt a need to retaliate in a similar manner to Harold's own attacks. I react defensively many times on the internet. It's called "an eye for an eye". Yet to be fair, I don't see why one jackass should tarnish my thoughts on more civil sports fans - it's just that you guys seem to go mad at me and think I was completely wrong for giving an angry response back to Harold which was more than well deserved. I never mentioned any of your names in the post - I never insulted anyone else personally. Yet you have taken my insults to heart. Yeah sure, some things I said did sound like bashing the whole site such as "worshipping the jock gods" but if my intention was to bash the whole site and not a specific asshole, I would have addressed my post to the entire thread and not to the person in question. Sorry, Andy and Tony. Excuse my former intolerance - I will not tar you all with the same brush from now on, just people who I know are idiots. You sound like pleasant guys. My comments about "all sports fans being banned from this site"... just forget about them. I felt the need to vent some anger. But my ban was probably a deserved one. Have a nice day. (Dear God, this is looking to be an action-packed new year for our guestbook!)

Best regards,
i_like_1981

I hate sports. I am straight, fit and awesome to behold but I hate sports. How one can align key parts of their identity with sports is beyond me. I feel fortunate to have lived a life surrounded by people who share this hate for sports. Cool you have a website. Good luck with the masses. I will submit my complaints - why is it that all gyms play sports? Just because I work out does not mean I want to watch Hockey. Also, why is it cool for sports players to spank each other when they are happy with one another? Does this make them fierce, gay jocks? Who approved the hockey players on the Canadian $5 note? I certainly was not asked to weigh in but my tax dollars were used. I could go on and on...... oh yeah, women look ridiculous in sports jerseys walking to the games. Frumpy, dowdy hags in sports regalia herding to the spectacle that is the refuge for the vapid mind....to think - they breed......
Ryan from Canada
Canada

Breaking morale? Do you know what a troll does? And... Andy said it.
Sergey

"I'll post that one line where you said you were "owning us"."

When did I ever say that?! Stop saying that I said something... you said I called you homosexual and now you say I said this?
Tony
Chicago, IL US

So destroying peoples morale just for your own pleasure ISN'T sick? I don't care how many "trolls" there are, that is disgraceful... I'm not making you change.. but imagine the people you did that too. "Trolls" have been known to torment people so badly, it causes suicide.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

No it isn't. Trolls are as common as rain drops. And I will say this: I [b]highly[/b] prefer video games over sports.
Sergey

Sergey, it is sick that you feed your morale off of insulting innocent people.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

I guess I must tell you again that I'm a troll. So, I do this not for the argument, but for the humor. I think Earl wants you to go to the forums. But I am glad to say you fed me well.
Sergey

Sergey, what Andy just said, is what I have been saying the entire time... it's not just me that feels that way.

Andy makes a point that debates are boring when the opposing side just uses 7th grade level insults...
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey, so you are saying that I shouldn't have posted this on gridiron palace? Why? I actually enjoy hearing someone else's view points. I find it boring to sit around with people who view things exactly they way I do. A good debate can be entertaining but when people resort to childish insults it gets old. I was trying to give you guys the intelligent side of our argument and the only person to actually create valid points for your side is Earl. You and Tom have resorted to using insults to try and win. How does this make you any better than the members that you complain of. I also don't see how you can judge Tony and me based on view points of other members from the forum we visit.
Andy

So? We just don't care.
Sergey

I came over here to show you guys that your stereotyping of athletes is very far from thr truth.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

You're suggesting it's right for Andy to tell about this forum to your forum members, why do you think we want this? Oh right, you forget, WE DON'T.
Sergey

Not that, when you started out "I saw that, do you think it will help?"
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Okay.

I don't want their respect, I would view that as atrocious and sad, maybe you have lower expectations but not me.
Sergey

"I loathe and view as cannon fodder"

Again, you say that we don't treat you with any respect and insult you... it always backfires.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey, I'm being respectful here...

Can you please re-type that? That is not good grammar at all, I can't understand..
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Tony

Uh... I don't want their respect, that would be sad, respect from people I loathe and view as cannon fodder? No way.
Sergey

Tony

I saw that, is that supposed to help? Why do you encourage Andy that showing this to little shits is really appropriate? Because you need an athletic army? Because, then I'll just get my L33T army of G-Mans.
Sergey

Sergey, No. You want respect from them, EARN IT! Like we have been trying to do with you, and what Earl did with us! You want to be insulted? I will not participate.. at all...
Tony
Chicago, IL US

If you don't call that respect, you can call the United States a 3rd world country...
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Well... I am imitating your members, so, why don't you talk to them? I'd honestly care if you would post about me, because I'm a troll and want to get heard of. They are like Crackbone, only not humorous and idiots.
Sergey

"lol, yeah they are pathetic and just hold a grudge against people that are athletic because they are jealous..."- Pwillie52

"Eh, they just don't like sports... we gotta let them have that... it is anyways, one of their rights... I don't like how they stereotype us!"- vikingfan465 (me)...


You were saying?
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey, of course we expect respect! I would asume by GIVING respect, you GET respect. Andy decent human being should know that. Exactly what Andy said, Earl showed us respect, he is treated with all kinds of respect at our place. Andy and I show you and Tom respect, we get a shitload of insults, and then whenever we make a minor insult, you jump off calling us fags, semen drinkers, and intollerant assholes.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

No... if we go by your members point of view, we can safely assume you are both fat ass sperm sucking cunts, and they say you're gay if you just don't like sports, so if you are MARRIED or ENGAGED they won't care, they'll make up another excuse, so you ARE homosexual. Until I see you disagreeing with their insults, then you are a hypocritical idiot.
Sergey

And Sergey, by repeatedly insulting Andy, innocent members of TGP, and me... you are way above what are friends were doing..
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey,
Yes I did call you guys idiots, I admit it. I only said that after the repeated insults and athlete stereotyping and I was a little ticked off at the time. I apologize. You asked me if expected respect from this forum when I came on a site that opposes my opinion. I did expect respect, because I gave it. I did not insult, yet was still insulted. Two of your members have come to our site, with two different approaches. I_like_1981 came and started bashing, he was banned and not treated with respect. Earl on the other hand came to our site showing our members respect, he was treated with the up most respect. I'm a firm believer in by giving respect, you get respect.
Andy

Wait, so based on our FRIENDS opinions of you, Andy and I are homosexual? That is a terrible point... BTW, I have a girlfriend... so you calling me homosexual is useless.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

I said A MEMBER WAS SAYING IT YOU IDIOT! I love these insults, because I can say them on a whim, your members do this on a daily basis, why don't I start? With your members logic, you are both homosexuals, both of you are semen drinking faggots, and you love to give each other a heads up!

See how your members act? MUCH MUCH worse than my new level of aggressiveness.
Sergey

Also Sergey, calling me slow won't make you any better of a person. Also, when I have a 3.9 GPA in HS, I don't call that "slow".
Tony
Chicago, US US

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."

"...but guys like Tom and Sergey are just idiots."


I'll post that one line where you said you were "owning us". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

... Back to the point, how am I wrong? My opinion on sports athletes is in no way WRONG. It is not a fact only works one way, it is OPINION. And, on this forum, that opinion may be said.
Sergey

Sergey, go read that thread. Read MY posts (vikingfan465). I NEVER called anyone a homosexual, you are again, making stuff up to help your cause. You are not right at all. Your opinion on hating sports, is in every way, shape, or form, correct. My opinion is in every way, shape, or form, correct. Got it? Now we are here to show you guys that you are stereotyping "jocks" very poorly. Very few "jocks" are how you describe them. We are here to show you how real athletes act, and we are doing a damn good job.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey,
When did I criticize you or anyone on this site for that matter? I posted the thread because I thought the stereotyping of jocks was amusing. You are wrong, but not when it comes to your opinion on sports, you are wrong when you stereotype athletes. We are not all what you say we are.
Andy
Montana

If anything... both of you and Tony were AGREEING with these individuals, seems like you won't disagree when you are defending the same thing, even if you know they're wrong?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If anything, I won't come to your forums because I don't care about watching sports. You do, but you come to a sports hating site and hope to be treated with respect? Like Tony, you are slow...
Sergey

Sergey, Andy thought it was funny and it was intended as a joke for us. When I heard of false statements that you, Tom, and a couple others were saying about "jocks" I took action. We NEVER insulted you, but you have insulted us MANY TIMES. And yes, Sweetness is a athlete's name. Walter Payton (best RB all time) nickname was sweetness... great football player, even better man... this is just proving our point that you are being a stereotyping asshole.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey, that is not at all how it was typed. It had terrible grammar and terrible word arragements. If I am forced to make a guess, I make an educated guess. I had to take a guess there, when no one in the world could read it. Like Andy said, you need to read what we are saying, you are just saying that we said something, just to prove a point. You claim I called you and Tom homosexuals, when I never did. Shall I continue?
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Andy

Maybe... I would let you like sports, if you didn't criticize us, you make a thread about us on another forum, are we really that much of a PITA for you? Because, if so, my trolling rank is feasting on this pretty well. You called me an idiot on your own forums, even though I only posted once and you didn't dare respond. Well, you are a mindless hypocritical sack of shit who should be I.P. banned, uh and, I can watch Xanatos videos while talking to you, so I am a nerd, you can't play sports, so you shouldn't be called a jock. Sweetness is a athlete nickname? Well... why didn't I name myself Xanatos 3.10? Because I don't care enough.
Sergey

Sergey,
So you are judging Tony and me over something members of the same forum as us? Because some members of this site are stereotyping assholes doesn't mean all of them are. Look at Earl, he is a member of this site and a good person. Once again, you can't judge one person by the people he hangs out with.
Andy

Again, I am not homosexual. I have a girlfriend. Yes, hundreds of people WILL call you homosexual for hating sports. Hundreds out of the 300 million sport fans alone in the United States. Like I said, thats not a big number. So my friends call you guys homosexuals, so that means I am a homosexual? Even though I have never called you guys homosexual? I don't get your point by that... if you are picking on the innocent, that is wrong... and I don't care if sports are insulted, again, I am here to tell you guys that "jocks" aren't how you portray them. i_like_1981 defiled many rules of the forums, I can't tell you what ones, but the Admins of the site are the ones to make that decision.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

"I almost punched a baby after reading some of the bullshit you people spew! Why don't you come over to my forum where real men hang out and try your lame arguments there. You wont' last five frikkin minnutes!"

As Tony said, this wasn't me, someone decided to post this and put my screenname on it. I'm sure Earl can check the I.P. addresses. As for you being intolerant, go for it. I really don't care if you like me. I was just trying to show you that not all athletes are who you think they are. But you obviously aren't actually reading what we are posting, you are just reading into it what you want. I guess I didn't know that you owned the internet and I need to call you for permission to post on it from now on. Get off your high horse and take people for who they are, not who you want them to be. I'm still waiting for Tom or you to find anywhere either on this site or gridiron where I say that you can't have your beliefs. I'm giving you the right to choose whether you like sports or not, why am I not allowed to choose?
Andy

Tom

I was referring to MY schools trademark, not YOURS. Do you have problems with understanding?
Sergey

Oh... I see... so, raving fanatic sports fans come onto this site and THEY defile the NO FLAMING rule, and as far as I've seen, your forum members can insult other people and forums as long as SPORTS AND SPORTS ALONE don't get insulted. What. A. Laugh. You think YOU deserve to come to this forum don't you? If we cancel out i_like_1981 with a sports fanatic, there are still hundreds of them who came to this forum alone. So... UP YOURS YOU HOMOSEXUAL. If your shitty acquaintances can say we're homos, I will view you as a homosexual, and it cancels out, and there still HUNDREDS of dumb ass sports fanatics who call us homosexuals. Isn't it fun have inferiority on a forum?
Sergey

Sergey, if you were refering to my username "Vikingfan465" A viking is not my HS mascot. I am a Minnesota Vikings fan (Pro Football Team). Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

I am slow? I will not respond, you are trying to get me to go off on you, too prove your point. I made a mistake by mixing you and Tom up... so what? Who hasn't made a mistake? I never said anything about a Viking's mascot at my HS! Where did you get that? I live in Chicago! The Vikings mascot would have been stoned to death!
Sergey
Chicago, IL US

Also Sergey,

I don't appreciate you calling Andy and I extremists, or supporters of elitism or prejudism. That is not our philosophy at all. I will not do a "69" position with Andy, because I am pure straight. If you want, come to Chicago and meet my girlfriend. You call us intolerant, when we WOULD tolerate you guys on our site, if you would be civilized like Andy and I. Instead, i_like_1981, charged onto our site, and completely defiled the rules that the Admins have, and insulted everything about the site, earning him a ban. You don't have the right to tell Andy and I to get off your site, when I have no proof this is your site. If you give me hard evidence, then I will leave peacefully..
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Good God Tony you are slow, when did I talk of freedom of speech in that post? No where, again, you are FULL OF SHIT. I saw what you posted Viking fan, hmm... my middle school and current high school have viking as their "mascots", but no, it's just the schools trademark as you can say. But anyway... your friends on those forums are dumb asses who can't even prove their existence has a meaning.

I said you'd say things I didn't bring up, and you did say those things, so, just as this argument stands, I'm right, you're wrong.
Sergey

Sergey, that wasn't Andy... someone did the same too me.. they munipulated our words and posted as us, when it wasn't even us. For example, the person that impersonated me said that people who hate sports are nerds. I don't believe that at all... you guys have your rights, I am here to get you guys to stop calling us intollerant assholes, when very few of us jocks are.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Sergey, name one time I called you or Tom or anyone on this site a homosexual... Hmm? Cat got your tongue? I never did, and you don't have the right to munipulate my words... now if you would reply with a civilized answer, maybe some of the guys at the Gridironpalace (who are reading this) would learn to respect you. Other than saying us jocks are complete assholes that only date cheerleader sluts. You claim to have freedom of speech, but you must know that there are rules to that. For example, if you run into an airport and shout, "I have a bomb!" You will be arrested and your speech rights will be ignored. By calling cheerleaders "sluts" and jocks intollerant assholes who only care about themselves, you are neglecting your right.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

"I almost punched a baby after reading some of the bullshit you people spew! Why don't you come over to my forum where real men hang out and try your lame arguments there. You wont' last five frikkin minnutes!"

Real men? Lame arguments? Inaccurate way of spelling minutes? You are so full of shit... I. Am. Serious. I loled how you think dumb asses who can't spell worth a shit are "real men", are you stupid?
Sergey

Andy

You seem to call me an idiot in your forums when you can't say to me directly, right? Oh, I guess you want support from your semen drinking friends. You're afraid insulting me directly will worsen your chances on this site, am I correct? Well, shit for brains, I will not tolerate you on this site, I can't tolerate our two "civil" sports members, so I am not tolerating a mindless lying shit who gives his daddy a heads up for an allowance, never... WILL I TOLERATE YOU! You will ignore this post and spout more "I'll tale you things you aren't talking about" bullshit. Good day Stalin Jr.

Tony

You think you can get away with call us homosexuals on your forums? Is that your defense code? Well, all I can say now is up yours, and up your idiot friend Andy. And don't say I "mindlessly" hate athletes when I have friends that like the sports genre, and did I tell you to get the fuck out of my site (funny pun wouldn't you say?)? I will not tolerate elitism, or extremists, or even fanatics spouting bullshit at me, you and Andy can 69 position yourselves elsewhere. So, up yours (AGAIN), and have a good day you git.

And... just so everyone knows, I did that in a calm manner, and these insults were my new way of getting my "Trolling One" rank to mean something. And if you don't understand that... I won't tell you what a troll is. Has Earl been shocked at this letter?

Sergey

When it comes to the issue of sports cards, as a kid I loved collecting football cards. Gosh I don't know how much money I wasted on sports cards as a kid but I loved it. And I have many cases full of I'm assuming valuable cards now. I don't collect anymore and haven't in a few years. But I do see your point in the 50 year old card collectors, I would often go into card shops as a kid to buy my usual pack or so I would be a week, and there would be 50 year old guys buying big boxes of cards just to find a few good cards so they could sell them. This kind of thing actually annoys me, cards are there to be enjoyed, not just to be found so someone can sell them without getting any enjoyment out of them. It was the same way when I went to the Pro Bowl as a kid, this takes place in Hawaii and what I loved about it was the football players were very accessible and it was easy to meet them and get pictures and autographs. The practices were free to the public and afterwards the players would come and sign footballs and pictures and such from the fans. It was about 50% kids my age of around 10 or so, and the other 50% was older guys that would have big cases full of NFL official photos from every player that was at the pro bowl. Basically they had the player sign it and the next day I knew those items would be on ebay. The items I had signed are still sitting on a shelf in my room.
Andy

Not only sports fans collect baseball cards? I guess that's so. True... But isn't it OK for kids to do it but not as great for adults? Except for the case of the antique card. I can understand that. It's sort of like guys who collect comic books. They're worth big money of you keep them in good condition!
Tom

Tom, collecting baseball cards isn't JUST for sports fans. Mostly for little kids so they can compare cards with eachother, and then some people (30+ year olds) collect them along with novelty items. Also, they are used a lot to sell because some baseball cards can be worth up to 1000+ due to how antique they are. My friend recently sold a Babe Ruth card for 500$. And also, please stop with the stereotyping... barely any sport fans are as so many of you claim we are (not just towards you Tom.. anyone who has stereotyped us..)
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Enough already of the bickering on this site. Let us all just chill and talk about the true meaning of this site, which is to insult the idiots that follow sports like it is some kind of religion, the people that hoot and holler in a bar making conversation with your lady impossible, the people that are well into their 30's that still follow high school football, the people that stop flirting with a hot blonde chick at a bar if a picture of a football player comes on the screen ( I used that to my advantage once and met a really hot chick ), and last but not least, the people that play "Fantasy Football"....

WOW, MIKE --I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER. ADD "MEN WHO COLLECT BASEBALL CARDS"!
Tom

i_like_1981... if you would have come to our site and expressed your opinion on SOME of the members, you would not have been banned. Andy and I have never (EVER) said that you must like sports. I don't care if you do or don't, I respect your opinion. Oh, and please stop stereotyping us... Andy and I have shown that not all jocks are dumb or intollerant, in fact, very few are. Andy and I are both sustaining great grades while playing sports. I am on the honor roll at my school, while I start WR/PR for football, and Small Forward in basketball. And on the site where you said, "It's a shame that ONE rotten apples ruins the batch." That is a completely biased statement. You look at things through your own eyes and don't bother trying to see things from our point of view. If you would try seeing things through a jocks life, you would think differently. If you read any of my posts, you would see I'm a good guy, and so is Andy and very many sport fans/jocks.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

This site is ridiculous. I mean, I understand some of your points, but the whole remove sports teams and physical education from schools idea is completely ridiculous, just like your stereotypical belief that people who follow sports base their life on a game. I watch football and basketball all the time, but I also happen to be a dedicated student who's also working two jobs. Not only do I put school before sports, I put work before sports as well. Though I tend to try leave Sundays and Mondays open, if I'm on the schedule, I'm on the schedule, regardless of what is going on that day. So to say that just because I follow sports means I base my life around them is completely ridiculous and illustrates the irrelevance of your beliefs. You people are ridiculous.
Layne

Enough already of the bickering on this site. Let us all just chill and talk about the true meaning of this site, which is to insult the idiots that follow sports like it is some kind of religion, the people that hoot and holler in a bar making conversation with your lady impossible, the people that are well into their 30's that still follow high school football, the people that stop flirting with a hot blonde chick at a bar if a picture of a football player comes on the screen ( I used that to my advantage once and met a really hot chick ), and last but not least, the people that play "Fantasy Football"....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Mike

i_like_1981, Andy is not bashing you. He's only trying to communicate. As the hippies of the late 1960s would say (not that I agree with what they stood for), Peace.
Earl

I_like_1981,
Here we go again with the blind stereotypes, you are assuming that all jocks are bad based on a few bad eggs. Have you read not read any of my comments? The reason why you were banned was because you came to their site and violated their terms of service, you were bashing pretty much the whole site. You say that you guys should all treat jocks that come to the site the same. So basically you believe that all people from the same group are all the same? So all people that hate sports are nerds? No, they are not, their are different types of people. If you would have gone to the gridiron palace and expressed your opinion in a civilized manner like Tony and I have done here, you would not have been banned. Find it in my posts where I said you were wrong in believing that you should all like sports. You will not find it. I said that you guys are allowed to not like sports, as Tom said, this is America where you have the Freedom of Speech. If you wish to bash me though, go for it. I didn't do anything to deserve it but according to your stereotypes, I guess I'm just a horrible person!

Take care,
Andy
Montana

This is hilarious. The so-called "tough jocks" have already banned me from their gay forums where they like to go and talk about men touching each other. Check this link:
http://www.thegridironpalace.com/forums/Ban-sports-t38454.html&st;=40

Well do you know what? Screw you and your forum. You jocks think you're so damn tough and mighty, coming over to our site, harassing us for not liking your gay sports and clogging up our guestbooks and forums with your bigoted drivel, yet when we come over to your site to challenge you on your own turf where you have all the advantages and support of your like-minded friends, you just ban us instantly. It just goes to prove... jocks are just cowards! They can't stand anyone unlike them coming into contact with them and just instantly restrict them from getting any words in! I think any sports fan who comes here should be given the harshest possible treatment, told to fuck off and then banned! Why should we let them express their inflexible opinions on our site when they won't even return the favour? I don't care if they're civil or not! Regardless of that, they're all just here for the same purpose - to rub it in our face how wrong we are for not liking sports! It's just the manner that's different, their motives are the same! We're so fucking TERRIBLE because we don't like sports and therefore we're not fit to live in this mindless world of today! So, if you hate us coming on your sports sites so much, why don't you all fuck off ours and stop wasting our, not to mention your own, time! You're not going to change the views of a single person here, regardless of how much you have to say and how "pleasant" it may seem, so save your fucking precious breath and hit the road! See the site name? "Sports Suck"? You don't belong here. Nobody here is wrong in what they believe - in fact, you jocks are the ones who are wrong, believing everybody has to adhere to your standards and that only they are the right ones to live by. You're all fascists, the lot of you. So keep your distance because you're not welcome here! Or as you sports fans say, "your not welcome here". You can't even differentiate between "you're" and "your". Too many blows to the head affecting your mental stamina? Or were you too busy gasbagging on about men in tights during English classes in high school when you should have been learning that vital grammatical distinction? God knows.

Best regards,
i_like_1981
i_like_1981

LOL funniest website I've ever seen hands down. It must be a joke there is no way in the world someone is pathetic enough to hate....sports? Weird. I'm gonna start a website about my hatred of Vegetables!! DAMN THEM TO HELL. Who gives vegetables the right to be good for me???
Anthony <antwaywad@yahoo.com>
Urbana, Oh USofA

Tom, we are not less fortunate because we like/play sports. Every single object that is on this Earth is equal.. and no one worships sport idols, I mean NO ONE. Unless they are in a cult which is about one in ever 500 sports fans.

Andy, he doesn't like yous simply because you play sports. I start WR/PR on my football team, and SF on my basketball team, but Tom does not act negatively too me. I will stay out of you and Tom's discussions since that is your own privacy.

BTW Tom, Pwillie was never sending you e-mails.. he was at my house when he was posting on here... don't let his CIty name fool you (I think he put LA right?) Pwillie lives 3 houses away from me.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Tom,
What do you mean by less fortunate? Are you claiming that because we like sports we are worse off than you? Once again isn't that stereotyping? No one said you had to worship or even like the people we like, but at least have respect for the deceased. No one also said that all athletes are idols, I will admit that there are some people in the NFL that are not good role models but then there are some guys in the NFL like Tony was saying, that are all around good people. You never did answer my question as to why you do not like me, after my first post you attempted to insult me and my profession. Is it because you saw I was a football player so immediately put yourself into a defensive mindset. I have not insulted you, even after your repeated insults against me. You tell me I should quit being a hypocrite when you have been a hypocrite from the beginning. Claiming this is America and that you have freedom of speech, even though no one challenged that right, but as soon as I say something you begin to bash me. Isn't that going against my freedom of speech?
Andy
Montana

My hero is superman because he's bullet proof and would never punch a baby or even a girl. And he has worked hard to get to his station in life and has helped out thousands of people during his long and difficult life. So please don't slander my hero's name even if I use it as my user name and have done absolutely nothing myself to earn that title. -Keith*
Superman <superman@fortressofsolitude.com>
Bremerton, WA America

Tony, I'm doing my best to reach out to you less fortunate members of the forum but you're making it difficult. I already said that I agree that just because ONE jock/football player is bad that doesn't mean they're ALL bad. What else can I say? But just because someone plays sports, it doesn't or shouldn't automatically make them an idol and it shouldn't be considered blasphemy to not worship them. There are lots of people who do good deeds and work for their community and their fellow man. In fact, I'm sure that the number of people who don't play sports who aid their community in some way FAR outnumber the few sports figures who do. By the way, thanks for helping me with David and Pwillie. They have finally stopped bothering me. You wouldn't believe the vile things they were proposing! If I were you I'd keep a close eye ball on those two. And, in response to your earlier post, I am NOT gay. I have a gf and she looks like 7 of 9 or Angelia Joile.
Tom

Tom, a lot of people follow in the footsteps of what sports heroes do. Some people get the title of sports hero from winning championships or just being good at what sport they play. Most get the title for what they are doing to help the community. Ravens LB Ray Lewis, arguably the best LB in the NFL, recently started a class to help prevent gang violence in Baltimore. Vikings Running Back, Adrian Peterson, arguably the best RB in the game, has hosted 11 special olympics since July. Numerous NBA stars such as Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Shaq, and Dwight Howard are working together to help bring food to storm torn cities, and help rebuild areas affected by hurricanes or tornadoes.

Don't judge others for their positions or even using a sports "hero" as a model. Some use the "heroes" that get the title for their abilities, but most use those who help others. Walter Payton was a great man as Andy said, while he is also known as the best running back in football history. Bears running back Brian Picolo was the same way, he loved helping his community and made the best of it. Then one fatal day he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and died. Many people use these people as role models so they can see how a good moral person acts. By criticizing every person who uses a sports star as model, you wrongly criticize those who are doing good.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Tom, a lot of people follow in the footsteps of what sports heroes do. Some people get the title of sports hero from winning championships or just being good at what sport they play. Most get the title for what they are doing to help the community. Ravens LB Ray Lewis, arguably the best LB in the NFL, recently started a class to help prevent gang violence in Baltimore. Vikings Running Back, Adrian Peterson, arguably the best RB in the game, has hosted 11 special olympics since July. Numerous NBA stars such as Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Shaq, and Dwight Howard are working together to help bring food to storm torn cities, and help rebuild areas affected by hurricanes or tornadoes.

Don't judge others for their positions or even using a sports "hero" as a model. Some use the "heroes" that get the title for their abilities, but most use those who help others. Walter Payton was a great man as Andy said, while he is also known as the best running back in football history. Bears running back Brian Picolo was the same way, he loved helping his community and made the best of it. Then one fatal day he was diagnosed with a brain tumor and died. Many people use these people as role models so they can see how a good moral person acts. By criticizing every person who uses a sports star as model, you wrongly criticize those who are doing good.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Happy (contentious) New Year, i_like_1981. More than two points of view have been expressed here. In order to know where anyone stands in this latest controversy, you have to read all of their comments. The statement you quoted and have responded to -- namely, the one made by someone who called himself "Warewolf" -- does not represent the viewpoint of all the other sports fans here. This is the only comment Warewolf has made here. Just trying to avoid any misunderstanding.
Earl

Andy,
on behalf of oppressed people everywhere, I accept your explanation and apology. But you should think about what you're saying and don't be so hypocritical. Sorry about the nickname sweetness. I had no idea it belonged to someone who was above criticism --a sports hero (gag).
Tom

"If you have a problem with professional sports you are a completely narrow minded idiotic queef eating faggot."

Narrow-minded? Speak for yourself. At least we say why we hate sports and that is because people like you let them control their minds and become sheep! Then you come hassling us because we don't share this obsession of watching men in tights running round with a pig skin and fondling each other and call us "faggots" which I find complete and utter hypocrisy! I don't have a problem with civil sportsmen coming onto this site and explaining to us how we're wrong to dislike sports so much but when the insults are thrown needlessly and with nothing to back them up, well, I sling it back at them! Please, clarify your position. Why does not liking pro sports make us "faggots"? Why are we faggots for not spending our lives watching buff guys who get paid way too much money play a child's game? And what's so "idiotic" about not wanting to just follow the mindless crowd? In fact, it's the exact opposite of "idiotic", going your own way in life and resisting the ever-so-overwhelming influence of the common herd! It's the sign of a free mind, a person who wishes to do more with their life than just live through the accomplishments of other people and let these people judge what they should feel, think and do! In fact, I'd say you are the narrow-minded one, as you seem to show no regard whatsoever for anyone who does not share your rabid obsession with spectator sports! I think you watch far much more sport than you play and your dream is to be allowed into the locker room of your favourite team or player! Now how about you stop making an idiot out of yourself on here, follow your heroes and go chase a ball around! Or even better, go watch your heroes chase a ball around! They're the ones you rely on to live! GO, TEAM, GO!

Best regards,
i_like_1981

P.S. Happy new year. Am I a bit late?
i_like_1981 <i_like_1981@hotmail.co.uk>

Tom,
When I said I wanted to punch a baby, that was not meant to be literal. I have known the members of gridiron for a long time and they know the kind of guy I am and how I joke. I'm curious as to why you are using that excuse for not liking me when most of your negative comments towards me were before someone hyperlinked you to gridiron palace. If you don't like me that is fine, but at least have a valid reason because I have given you no reason not to like me. I have different views but I never once tried to shove them down your throat like you accuse me of doing. Also yes I was a little ticked when I made the topic on gridiron but not because you guys don't like sports, it was because of all the fake negative stereotypes used against athletes. As for making fun of my name sweetness, sweetness was the nickname of a great football player who played in the 80s, Walter Payton. He was not only a great player, but a great man who loved to help others. He passed away from liver disease inthe late 90s at a young age and he was and still is my idol. So if you are going to resort to making childish insults because of my forum name, or my future profession, so be it. I know who I am, and I do not need your praise to move forward in my life.
Andy

Tom, I'm curious... you apologize to me for misunderstanding me, but when Andy tried to say you misunderstood him, you and Sergey just went off on him...

That's because Andy who goes by sweetness (yuck!) in your forum said he wants to punch babies because we're so ignorant. But here he's all polite like we don't know what he really thinks and says in private. That's two-faced. But you were on the level and more mature. That's why.
Tom

i meant when you dont know my email and i dont know yours, typo....
David

If you have a problem with professional sports you are a completely narrow minded idiotic queef eating faggot.
Warewolf

LOL... How the hell would i be sending you gay emails when i dont know my email, and you dont know mine... Also LOL at you trying to be a bad ass by figuring out what my name is on a forum site. Good job dude, you are so cool. Now maybe put some use of it instead of sitting in your basement and wasting your life.
David

Tom, I'm curious... you apologize to me for misunderstanding me, but when Andy tried to say you misunderstood him, you and Sergey just went off on him... BTW, don't wanna confuse you but I'm not curious sexually. I am 100% straight.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Wait, how do you know that is PWillie?! and no he isn't... I know the dude, he isn't a creeper, and he is 100% straight...
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Oh sorry Tony. I guess I misunderstood you. I apologize. And of course the actions of one person should not color the reputation of a whole group. I agree.

BTW, do you know David or Pwillie52 from the gridiron forum? They both keep harrassing me by e-mail. Would you tell them I'm NOT gay or even curious? If you don't mind. Thanks a lot.
Tom

Tom, also, I read your earlier posts. You complain about Andy not letting you have your opinion, when he did.. and so am I. Now let us have our opinion about liking sports... you guys are completely pinning something that ONE (EMPHASIS ON ONE) sports fan did... not very many are like that... I read the waitress thing at the bar where she had her show changed to a game, that is ONE person doing that... don't pin the actions of ONE person on an entire group.
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Tom, GOD NO!! I have never heard of someone hitting babies! There is someone at our site that is like Sweetness54 so I thought that is what it said...
Tony
Chicago, IL US

You dumb ass... I don't know your email address, and you don't know mine. I kept it out for a reason bitch. Also I'm sure as hell not gay so whatever.

You and your total of 3 friends that are sitting in your basement can keep your site, doesn't hurt my feelings.

Also your opinions don't mean shit so whatever. As far as I'm concerned you are a 12 year old girl that has vag warts and AIDS...
David

Let me get this straight. You agree with sweetness34 about punching babies?? I guess I gave you too much credit.
Tom

"I'm sorry boys. The kitchen is closed. I cannot lower myself down to the level necessary to communicate with you apes from the gridiron palace. And actually, I don't think I want to correspond with guys who want to punch babies and call people who disagree with them, fags." Lol, so basically what you are doing? We are not apes, but civilized people... this is what I was talking about when I said that you guys call us jocks assholes, but then you go around and randomly insult them! BTW, what are you and David talking about?
Tony
Chicago, IL US

Wait, you may misinterpret that, by "I never said that at all!" I meant that I was not the person who typed that response that ended with the tag "vikingfan465"... that was my direction, but I do agree with what sweetness34 was saying.
Tony
Chicago, IL USA

Wait, how did someone get my username for Gridironpalace.com?! I never said that at all!
Tony
Chicago, IL USA

ok ok some of what you nerds say is correct and some is not. Most jocks are pretty cool if you give them a chance. I don't agree with what sweetness says. Most jocks do not feel that way. but give the jocks a chance is all I'm tryingn to say.
vikingfan465
Chicago, IL

I heard of this site from a football site. I have to be honest hear, some (emphasis on SOME) of these people are judging people for being assholes, while they are just calling them names and making fun of them. After reading some of the posts, it seems a lot like you guys HATE when SOME jocks do that. I am in no way, shape, or form trying to make you like sports... but coming from a guy who starts football and basketball, very few jocks are how you describe them. Sure, some (SOME) jocks are complete assholes (I have some at my school), but I would estimate less than 50% of all jocks are like that. Just because YOU hate sports, you don't have to despise others that love sports... I heard two people complaining that Andy won't give them their freedom of speech, while he was saying it's fine to hate sports. Those two people however, give off a vibe that they are trying to force their beliefs on to Andy. Again, I am not trying to force my beliefs on you guys at all, but based on how civilized Andy's replies were, I have a feeling those same 2 people that insulted Andy will do the same to anyone who opposes their beliefs.
Tony
Chicago, IL USA

I'm sorry boys. The kitchen is closed. I cannot lower myself down to the level necessary to communicate with you apes from the gridiron palace. And actually, I don't think I want to correspond with guys who want to punch babies and call people who disagree with them, fags.

Also, David, I just want to politely ask you here to stop sending me e-mails. I'm not gay and don't want to "try it". I will not respond to your private e-mails and will only answer you here in public.
Tom

(BTW your guest book cut out my entire comment except the last part) But you guys should seriously just hand this site over to Earl, because obviously he is the only one that has any sense in his head.
David

Reading a LOLbook like those damn girls that all they do is read and breathe twilight, and if you disagrees with one of their opinions you are a piece of shit and dont know anything. Grow up dude, get a life.
David

Sergey, I appreciate how much you want this website to be on our side; and I agree that people who don t like sports should be allowed to freely express their views and opinions on a website that they can call their own. But have you ever heard the expression He who is not against us is with us ? We can afford to tolerate a guest with a different point of view, even one who objects to something that we have said. Just as long as he s not abusive. Unlike SPORTS ROCK (our most recent abusive poster), Andy is not abusive. We need to distinguish between those who are abusive and those who are only trying to express another opinion. If we are intolerant of all jocks, then we have become the mirror image of the abusive posters who attack this website.

I was very prejudiced against jocks when I was your age. But I could also see that holding all individuals of a group responsible for the bad conduct of some (or even many) of the members is unfair to the individual. Growing up under Jim Crow, I realized that negative stereotypes were sometimes used to hurt those who were innocent, which does not mean that I equate resentment of athletes with the historic oppressiveness of racism and anti-Semitism. But the principle is the same. And I also knew that just as there are people who confirm negative stereotypes, there are also people who contradict or defy them.

One of my closest friends is a pro-feminist sociology professor who criticizes machismo for the ways that it shortchanges men as well as women. He happens to be a former university football player who is considerably more liberal than I am. He has even actively supported the homosexual rights movement. I found out about him when I was browsing around in a bookstore one day and picked up a copy of a book of articles and essays critical of the sports culture that he had co-edited with another professor. He had written an interesting article about his own experience playing football in which he expressed views that I never would have expected to hear from a former player. I called him long-distance and we became friends. That was nearly 30 years ago, and we re still friends. He s one of the kindest persons I ve ever met. If I had written him off just because he had happened to be a former jock, then I would have deprived myself of a dear friend.
Earl

Why don't you shut the hell up? Prisons were made for those unwilling to obey the LAW, and I have power over what is the LAW, so this forum is on my side, not yours, go play some shitty football but don't tell me please, and I'll be reading a book.
Sergey

Tom,
You claim this is America, land of free speech, so how come we "jocks" aren't allowed to voice our opinion? Isn't it just as bad for you to insult us as it is for us to insult you? That is why I refuse to insult either side, both sides have their own opinions, and this is America so I think we should be able to voice them as well as you
Andy
Montana

To quote Rodney King, that noted social philosopher of late 20th-century LA: Can't we all just get along? There are hotheads and haters on BOTH sides, which engage in mindless negative stereotyping. Never mind that there are decent guys on both sides. Individuals don't seem to count. No wonder I feel like I'm caught between two extremes. Beam me up, Scotty.
Earl

I almost punched a baby after reading some of the bullshit you people spew! Why don't you come over to my forum where real men hang out and try your lame arguments there. You wont' last five frikkin minnutes!

sweetness34

right on, sergey. Who do these muscle-heads think they have the right to muscle their way into our forum and tell us how to think? Last I heard this was still AMERICA! Land of the free, HOME OF THE BRAVE and free speech! Sure these goons have ONE example of a jock who isn't all bad. That's easy to say. BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, all the guys I know who are jocks at school, are pushy, loud, and abusive. And bullies. Sure maybe there's a few good guys that play football and are good students but, in general, they're the kind of guys you'd want to avoid.
Tom

David, you're a laugh, when we have a sports bore stereotype in our own forums right now, I don't think you should be talking, so do me a favor and FUCKING SHUT UP ABOUT STEREOTYPING YOU MINDLESS SACK OF SHIT! Yes, I'll insult sports fans because I want to, you're on this forum, and therefore MY word is law, not YOURS.
Sergey

Ight Tom listen, Andy is 100 percent right. Not every athlete is in to sports for popularity. Before you go make your rediculous claims, go out and poll athletes. O and while you are at it go search Michael Oher in wikipedia. He was born in a family that couldnt support him for shit, his mom was a drug addict and his dad died when he was young forcing him into foster care. He attended 11 different schools in his first like 9 years of going to school. Where is he now? Well he started playing football for his highschool, his GPA sky-rocketed and he was offered scholarships from well respected colleges, like Alabama, Mississippi State, etc. So throughout his highschool years the one thing that drove him was football. Was he a mean bitch like you claim all of jocks to be? Hell no he wasnt, he was respectfull, kinda shy, not even close you what you claim jocks to be. Well he was on the honor roll at Mississippi State his senior year and is now making millions in the NFL for the Baltimore Ravens... Now tell me how sports are gay, or are retarded or whatever, after hearing that story? It took someone who was less fortunate than most and put him in a position to succeed in life.

I play Highschool Basketball at my school, and hell no im not cocky, and i dont take pride in winning people that arent athletic. IN MY EXPERIENCE the people that arent on the court, or the field, are the ones that are making the biggest mess. Go look at all of the stoners, what do they do all day? Sit there and smoke and that is it. Then there are people that just sit down in their basement and dont get any physical exercise whatso ever and they get un-healthy and fat. Now they can do that if they want to, dont get me wrong, but why do you think that American kids are getting fattened up? Because they go to fast food places and go back down to their basements and play W.O.W. or whatever games they play.

Also the NFL and the NBA have programs that go out and help communities accross the nation.

So you can sit here and hate sports, nothing wrong with that. But all of the stereotyping, like Andy has said, is wrong and pathetic. You are literally doing what you think jocks do, just in a different way.
David

Tom, I understand how you feel. Believe me, I never had any interest in sports; and I used to be quite prejudiced myself. But we have to judge people as individuals, and I know that this is hard to do sometimes. Andy is obviously a kind-hearted person; otherwise, he would not have chosen nursing as a vocation, which is not easy work. Decades ago when she was in college, my sister (who, incidentally, was no sports fan) knew several of the athletes as friends. One of them, who played both hockey and football, was a pacifist off the playing field. As a pacifist he was the antithesis of a bully. He had been psychologically abused as a child and therefore had to control his anger. I don't know if his pacifism was based upon religious belief or philosophical conviction. I never met him. My sister just told me about him. He was aggressive in the game; but off the playing field he could not be provoked into fighting, because he knew that he had to control his anger. There are individual athletes who are opposed to bullying. For example, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes has spoken out against bullying in general. Believe me, I'm sympathetic to you. I'm just saying that some athletes don't fit the negative stereotype. I've actually experienced a form of healing when I've discovered that some athletes share my values.
Earl

I would like you to point out where I said that everyone should watch sports. I never once said that, I continue to stand by what I was saying, that it is is all a matter of opinion. I said I wasn't here to bash you guys, if you don't like sports no big deal. But you many of you guys are bashing athletes for things that they don't even do. But your stereotype of athletes. That is the only thing I'm telling you that you are wrong about. Not all football players are alcoholic sex addicts whose goal in life is to punish those who don't worship them. That is an absolute lie, alcohol has never touched my lips, and I've never done any drugs either. I've been in one fight in my life and it was in 5th grade when I put an end to a reign of bullying by one kid. I'm not a sex addict either, I have had one girlfriend for the past two years who I remain faithful too. If you don't want to like me thats fine, but at least have a good reason for it. Don't judge me based on the fact that I play football, judge me on the fact that I am a good person with a kind heart. I have devoted my life to helping people and that is why I am going to be a nurse. Bash me all you want for that I don't care, but when I graduate I am going overseas to help countries in need. Such as those in Darfur and Burma. If you feel you need to insult me because a jock or two has insulted you in the past, I'm sorry. But you shouldn't judge people based on the actions of few.
Andy <nursingbobcat@hotmail.com>

Opie,
You may not have said you were the greatest but your attitude implies it. Why are you offended that not everyone likes sports? Clearly you believe that they should or you wouldn't be here wasting everybody's time.
P.S. Disrespect is not a verb. It's a noun. Back to 5th grade and being picked last for you.


Tom

Earl, thank you for understanding where I am coming from and I appreciate your respect on the matter. You bring up valid points and I do remember times when the un-athletic kids hated the class. I was a very un-athletic child growing up and was picked last for PE every time, I still had made the best of the situation and tried to enjoy myself. I know that with many people who do not like sports this will not be the case.

As for Tom,
I never once said "I AM THE GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER, BOW DOWN TO ME". I understand that after college is over, football is over. I have no wishes to play professional football. That is why I am working hard to earn a degree at this time so that when football is over, my life is not. As for your preconceived notion of what a nurse should be, that is your own opinion and you are entitled to it. I'm a straight male and pride myself on being the first football player to ever enter the nursing program at my school. It is a challenging program and consumes quite a bit of time, as does football. If you choose to disrespect me that is your choice, go for it. Doesn't hurt my feelings any, but I have not disrespected anyone on this board by the messages I type.
Andy
Montana USA

Oh boo hoo. Andy's feelings are hurt because a handful of people don't respect his awesome prowess on the field. Well, Andy, now you know how people who can't stand sports feel 365 days a year. Now say 88 Hail Mary's and go forth and annoy no more.
P.S. By the way, nursing is for girls. Maybe you should do a little self-examination and think about why you want to play ball with the guys.
Tom

As someone who supports the concept of a website for people who don't like sports, I appreciate Andy's comments below because they're reasoned and not abusive.

Andy, the talk about getting rid of sports is hype. We all know that sports will always be a part of the mosaic that makes up the human experience. The fake entry-level quiz is intended to be a joke. The traditional sports-centered approach in school P.E. only created tensions between the athletic kids and the nonathletic kids (who were often held up for ridicule and worse) and did nothing to promote physical fitness for those students who were the most unfit. It's a fact that different students have different physical fitness needs. I happen to support the innovative PE4Life program, which was created by (now retired) Coach Phil Lawler. I say retain the traditional P.E. classes for the athletically inclined boys and those who simply want to participate in sports as an elective, and provide P.E. classes of the type I just mentioned that actually promote physical fitness for the nonathletic kids, instead of just teaching them to fear coaches and athlete classmates. Again, your criticism is appreciated (at least by me); and I thank you for not being abusive.
Earl

I recently stumbled upon your site and would like to say that you people are a bunch of stereotyping hypocrites. I see a lot of people on this site call anyone who likes sports a homophobe, while some say they are fags because they stereotyped you as being gay for not liking sports, so isn't stereotyping them as homophobes just like them stereotyping you as gay? You also say that you are tired of people ramming sports down your throat, well isn't this site about getting rid of sports and bashing sport lovers? Isn't that like ramming anti-sports down sports lovers throats? I'm not here to bash anyone, I feel that if you don't like sports, then don't watch them, change the channel. Sports lovers put up with soap operas and such by not watching them. Doesn't mean they want to get rid of soap operas? How would you feel if someone decided to eradicate something you like to watch or do? Such as movies or video games? I also don't know where you guys get your facts on college football players, like the fake entry level quiz you guys posted about football players. I am here to say that I play college football for Montana State, I never once had to take one of those. I had to take ACTs and SATs and have good enough scores so that the college would accept me. Stereotyping us football players as dumb is like stereotyping all computer gamers as virgins. Yes it may be true in some instances, but it is not always true. I am a nursing major and currently holding down a 3.7 GPA, they have made no exceptions to me and I have had to work for every grade I received. I am not a scholarship kid and am paying my own way through college. I do however know many kids on the team come from poor families and would not have the opportunity to go to college and earn an education if it wasn't for sports. Sports motivates these people to keep their grades high so they can stay in school and stay eligible. To those who say that it defeats the purpose of an education to give out scholarships to athletes, let me ask you this, what about the kids that earn scholarships other ways like through music? Do they not deserve their scholarship? As for on the homepage where it says ban physical education class from schools, I think it should absolutely be mandatory for kids to do P.E. classes. Many people continue to say "I'm all for fitness, but not sports", I know many kids in grade school and high school would not do anything active if it wasn't for that hour every few days a week. We as Americans need to do a better job of getting our kids out and playing, then and only then, will we be able to stop mandatory P.E. class. When kids go play kickball after school, not go home and play video games for the rest of the night. Nothing is wrong with video games, I enjoy them myself, but people need to get out and play as well. Or America will continue on its obesity path. Once again, I'm not out to bash the members of this site, I just want to prove a point that not all athletes are dumb, and we work very hard to play at the level we wish to play at.
Andy <nursingbobcat@hotmail.com>
Montana USA

Stereotypes ARE pretty stupid. Brian Sims (a former college football player) and Esera Tuaolo (a former professional football player) are both gay. I wouldn't want to mess with either of them. There have been others before them, and there no doubt are others now.
Earl

But gays aren't supposed to like sports are they? The big comeback for a meathead jock is "if you don't like sports then you must be gay". I hate sports and so do my two straight brothers. My third brother loves sports and he's gay. Stereotypes are pretty stupid.
JIM

I am a gay homosexual and I was bullied a lot by jocks in school. I think they are hyper masculine homophobes. But I admit I like watching football because I like to watch the grown men playing with a little ball and touching each other. Some say it takes one to know one and I think most of these homophobic jocks are actually closet gays. I agree with "joe" about people who live their lives through others accomplishments, I can't understand such losers but there's a lot of them out there. As for the sports freaks / sports geeks, well enough said.
Gay Pride

Uh oh. The NFL Super Bowl season is about to start. Sundays nights never have gotten more boring than this. I hate the Super Bowl. And football is for fags

Seriously, sports is just a big waste of time.
PENIS
Chicago, tx

I have nothing against sport 'as a game'. I just hate the pricks that turn a simple 'game' into a life or death affair and think that everyone should care about 'the game' as much as they do.
Rafols

SpOrTs ArE a ToTaL lOaD oF sHiT aNd I tHiNk ThEy Sh0uLd AlL bE bAnNeD!
i hate sports :)

SpOrTs ArE a ToTaL lOaD oF sHiT aNd I tHiNk ThEy Sh0uLd AlL bE bAnNeD!
i hate sports :)

Sports = Narcotic of the nation
somebody <someemail@somewhere.com>

I'm a jock and I worship football. I thought maybe I could get some help hear with my mathamatrics? I need too no how many times 2 goes into 16. It are for a test tommorow. Thanks. ps, FOOTBALL FORE-EVER!
Jim

At my high school, everyone is absolutely obsessed with sports, to the point of insanity. They once paraded us outside, in the cold, so we could watch the football team leave for a game. I just don't understand the appeal of watching overgrown men and women bash into each other and kick a ball around!
John Smith

At the college I go to, there are TVs everywhere. At any given time, I'd say %90 percent of them are tuned into ESPN. I just don't understand shows about sports. A bunch of guys rambling on about statistics, injuries, and other things that don't matter in the real world.
Jordo

Good god there are few things in this world I hate more than sports. My biggest question is how come sports get so much coverage on the news yet any other form of entertainment (film, music, literature) is lucky to get a mention?
Keith Woodman <neurotickeith@aol.com>
Derry, NH North America

I love this sight ! finally people on my side, who hate sports shit THURST IN YOUR FACE AT EVERY TURN !
sean Warren <areelman@insightbb.com>
Louisville, ky usa

Once again my father didn't take part of the family Thanksgiving get together because he preferred to stay home by himself and watch the big football game. We were hoping he would go with us so that he could finally meet his only grandson (4 yrs old). Football was more important.
I wonder how much he enjoyed his leftover Hamburger Helper?
I'll never understand the mentality of a sports nut.
Jim

I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense. H.L. Mencken
Exe

Imagine the mindset of a human being who would be able to be "cheered up" by a football game the day after America was attacked! We're talking about VERY simple-minded people here folks.
Jim

No Glen, finding sports boring and preferring music, movies, etc more interesting doesn't make you "a freak" it just makes you normal. When everybody else in the freakin' USA is grunting in front of the Stupid Bowl, Easter Bowl or Toilet Bowl I prefer to stay in my room and play guitar, watch a movie with my g/f or read a book... It's a cliche to say "I'd rather watch grass grow..." but it's true. I'd rather sit in the backyard and look at grass grow than look at a bunch of fat, macho, butt-slapping, millionaires chasing after a stupid ball.
Jim

The 911 post brings back some memories for me. I used to be a producer of a sports talk show (I was kind of forced to, I was the only guy that was available during that time of day and they gave me a pay raise) and I recall that people were UPSET that the weekend football games were to be postponed because of the TERRIBLE events that took place on that Tuesday..These people said that we needed "Football" to cheer us up...

I hadn't felt that bad since I watched Rob Lowe dance with Snow White...
Mike

Yes this is what we have to put up with- hours of tedious football games and even more tedious people discussing it as if it is the only thing in life. I tried to like it and then realised it was boring. I love my music, films, cult TV and if this makes me a nerd, a freak, a geek, then so what. Better to be yourself than follow the sheep.
Glenn <glenn.aylett@btinternet.com>
Whitehaven, England

Down with Australian Sports!

http://blog.adonline.id.au/sports-funding/

A

SPORTS AND 9-11
I remember when the towers were attacked and the television announced, by scroll, that baseball season would be postponed for two weeks. Some moron at work couldn't understand why baseball was put on hold and he bitched all day on America's Worst Day. 3,000 Americans burned to death, were crushed and fell to their deaths but this sports nut still wanted his stupid baseball. It's amazing how shallow sports fans are. Pathetic. Shame on you simple sports nuts.
Jim

Good post Mike. I agree about how ridiculous it was for the meatheaded jock to insist the TV be put to sports while the barmaid was watching her soaps. All jocks would much rather watch big men in tight pants frolic and prance and pat each other (lovingly) on the buttocks then sit and talk to a pretty barmaid. Sports fans are selfish a**holes and MUST have their sports on the TV EVEN if everybody else in the room wishes to watch something else. Sports fans are too stupid to watch something like news or politics. There are no bouncing balls in politics.
Jim

Enough already...

I am sick and tired of having football rammed down my throat. I live in the nice college town of Fayetteville, Arkansas. This place has a lot of really nice restuarants, clubs, bars, AND A BUNCH OF GODAWFUL SPORTS FANS!!!!!!..Not only are people crazy about college and the NFL around here, THEY ABSOLUTELY LOVE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL!!!!!..There is nothing wrong with liking high school football if you are a teenager, BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE WELL INTO THEIR 30's!!!! HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! What a bunch of geeks!!!!!. I noticed a couple posts down that a poor barmaid had her favorite soap turned off so that some dumbass could watch sports..I bet that the dumbass was a typical annoying sports fan. He was probably single, and had no social skills whatsoever. Watching football will not help improve those two deficiencies in his character. On the other hand, a single man can learn from watching a soap on how to approach the ladies and be sought after. You are sure as hell not going to do that by watching some idiot play with a ball...
Mike

i hate sports. sports suck cock. i also hate the sportingnews forums because they are the biggest pile of crap forums to ever exist. i enjoy annoying the people on there with my stupid posts but the cowards dont reply to me. i thought bullies were more effective on their own turf? i may be wrong. this site rules. 1981 rules. keep up der good work.
i_like_1981

I hate sports for the following reasons.I believe that sports are a product of patriotism which only gives people another reason to fight which is what quite a lot of people do over a football game. Also you have to feel a little sorry for the players themselves. Some of them are fathers and cannot spend time with their sons or daughters. Also it takes away from me. Ever since John joined sports I haven't seen him. I can see why people fight over this...they follow dogma of a stupid team playing against another. IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER!!!!!! IVE HAD IT AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I CAN DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike <Michael.D.Giles@gmail.com>
Dracut, MA US

you know that it's ironic that so many of these homophobic sports lovers love labeling sports haters as faggots, queers, non-manly, et al. for the record, i am straight, but have no problem with gay people (horrors). but, note, i also do not participate in fantasy football/ baseball/ basketball leagues, getting erotically excited arguing about my favorite players stats that i have memorized in complete detail, from the first time that they tossed a ball to their dad through to the inseam of their pants and cup size.it's all very homoerotic, and likened to a 13 year old girls crush on her favorite rock star or actor.
as a side note, why are some sports manly to watch, and not others. as unmanly as gymnastics might be to these walking abortion mishaps, gymnastics is a million times more intersting than football to watch, and i bet a teenage gymnist (male or female) could beat the living shit out of all these macho sports lovers (now that is sports i would pay to see)
then there's the whole delusion that the fans are somehow a part of the team. i mean seriously, the whole "we sacked the shit outta you guys at the budweiser anal adventures bowl", and "we have much better ball handling than you guys" or what ever. the only things the fans have accomplished is making a bunch of guys who do honestly have skills very overpaid. i do not understand this obsessive delusional thought process.
i have athletic skills too. i enjoy running, climbing, water sports, skiing, caving, hiking, skateboarding. i'm in better shape than 99% of the douche bag sports fans that i know. i just hate watching dull sports like football, basketball, baseball, hockey, ad nauseum.

i am so tired of sports fans pre-empting and co-opting the tv o r any other event wherever they go with their righteous belief of entitlement. sports fans seem to believe even if there is a whole room full of people who hate or care less about sports, but one nutter who has to see his dream guy tackle a bunch of other big sweaty athletic men, everyone else should be subjcted to it, regardless of the situation -- whether it is another tv show, a party, family dinner for the holidays. i for one think they should have to get approval. of course, guys have tried to pull this off at my house, and they have been asked to leave. seriously. and don't come back. if your friends that came with you are mad, they can leave too. let him abuse your friendship for his sick addiction.
djmasturbeat

When sports fans don't get their way, they behave like kids. A barmaid was relaxing for a few minutes in the pub watching the soap opera Coronation St( OK it's pretty boring but a lot of women like it), but because an irrelevant football match was on a digital channel, some jerk decided to raise hell because he couldn't have some game on. Like, hello, can we have a break from football- this poor woman has to work through hours of this every week and on a Friday night should at least get a respite from it and so should non fans who are trying to wind down after a hard week at work.
Glenn <glenn.aylett@btinternet.com>
Whitehaven, England

There's nothing wrong with physical fitness or liking a physical activity, but why do we have to have football rammed down our throats non stop on the television and in pubs by fat knackers who look about as athletic as a beef burger. Meanwhile the footballers demand at least a hundred grand a week for a couple of hours work and sulk if they get less. These are greedy, immature men who should try living on a nurse's wage for a week- someone who does a real job for the community.
Glenn <glenn.aylett@btinternet.com>
Whitehaven, England

forget it earl. none of these sp0rts bores want a dialogue anyway. your efforts and tolerance are very respectable but you arent gonna get anything useful out of these sp0rts bores. let them play their crappy sp0rts and be arrogant jerks. oh and this is for jeme... go fuck y0urself !
gene hunt
1973,

Sports Fans = bench warmers

cause that's what they're really doing up on those bleachers, warming the benches
PENIS
Chicago, NY United States

yeah that it jocks & jockettes, keep flaming us
the more the marrier
anon
Austin, TX USA

Jeme, I was extremely tired when I read your "Query" because I had just finished a two-day drive to visit my daughter. So, the thought just occurred to me that you assume that guys who don't like sports have a "sour grapes" attitude because we tried to participate in sports but failed. Your assumption is false, of course. Most of the members of the forum who are critical of certain aspects of sports culture NEVER WANTED TO PARTICIPATE IN SPORTS. If you took the time to find out exactly what it is about sports (or, rather, certain sports), you might learn something. Otherwise, you're just being ignorant. You're also apparently insecure and have an anger problem. If you were a secure sportsman, you would simply disregard this website. As someone who does not agree with every comment about sports and athletes at this website, I will concede, though, that this website might hurt the feelings of those sportsmen who are sensitive. I'm surprised you haven't called us fags for not liking sports. That seems to be a standard response by guys like you. You really should register to post in the forum and abuse us to your heart's content. We'd love it! :-)

Earl
Earl

Video Games > shit > sports

GET A LIFE STUPID ASS JOCKS & CHEERLEADERS
sparta

SPORTS ARE ABOUT AS POINTLESS & BORING AS COUNTING SHEEP!
ALMOST EVERYONE I KNOW WATCHES THEM & THEY ALL ACT LIKE THEIR VERY LIVES DEPEND ON IT. TRUST ME, I'M ALL FOR EXERCISING & USING TEAMWORK. BUT IF YOU AREN'T PLAYING THE GAME, YOU'LL BE BORED OUT OF YOUR MIND. I'M GLAD I'M NOT ALONE FOR NOT BEING A SPORTS FAN.

PLUS I HATE HOW THE SCHOOLS "GO EASY" ON THE ATHLETIC KIDS ACADEMICALLY JUST BECAUSE HE CAN KICK A BALL WHEN THEY REALLY DO SO POORLY AT SCHOOL. WHAT A WASTE OF A EDUCATION!

ALSO, LET'S NOT FORGET SPORT VIDEO GAMES ALSO SUCK! IF YOU JOCKSTRAP FANS WANT TO PLAY A FOOTBALL GAME WITH HIGH QUALITY GRAPHICS, THEN GO OUT & PLAY A SPORT, GRAPHICS DON'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT!
NERD
Austin, TX USA

They are soooo boring I swear! I rather play video games (not sports video games), cause at least I'm involved in the game!

sports is pointless shit
Daft Punk fan
Austin, TX USA

How about a dialogue, Jeme? Seriously. That's what the forum is for. You should consider the possibility that you're making a wrong assumption about us. You don't even know any of us, and you really have no idea what our personal perspectives are. If you register to post in the forum, then you will be able to insult us even more. :)

Earl
Earl

i have an idea for all of those lazy azz sports retards...
sitting on the sofa cramming nachos and beer down your throat getting fatter and fatter watching real athletes run around a field for millions of dollars a years doesn't make you part of there team(you can remember there stats,jersey numbers,wifes birthdays,what ever you want ,they don't give a sah*t about you as long as you keep paying idiot)....why don't you get your fat lazy azz up and go live your own life and stop living through others accomplishments
joe

Those who cannot play........complain! We don't want you anyway. I can understand how being competitive, coordinated, agile, having on the spot thought process under duress and the feeling of pride and accomplishment can seem no fun and downright terrible.
Hear that .. it s your turn for underwater basket weaving. Go have fun little people.

Jeme Souviens
North Bay, Canada

Oh my Gawd. I thought I was the only one. What a relief...
I played hockey in my youth but never felt comfortable with it. When you live in a small town in Canada, it s the thing to do, or you re considered weird. Now when I happen to come across a hockey game on the tube, I just roll my eyes at all the misguided sheeple sitting in the stands. Does anyone else see the conspiracy in this herd mentality? I saw the new torch for the 2010 winter olympics and it looks more like a sword than a torch. All the money spent on sports would alleviate all the hunger in this world, many times over, not to mention what s spent on wars. I think I landed on the wrong planet because none of this way of thinking makes any sense to me. I m sure sports fans will be the first to line up for their H1N1 flu shots so they won t get sick and miss the big game. Good luck with that sports fan.

In the words of Howard Cosell, The importance that our society attaches to sport is incredible. After all, is football a game or a religion? The people of this country have allowed sports to get completely out of hand .

John
Peterborough, ON Canada

'Sports are 'ridiculous'. I'm 46 and I've never seen a football game in my entire life yet. I never even bothered going to see the morons play football in high school. I was sick enough of the jocks getting their sexual thrills of slapping the nerds in the bare butts in the locker room while TRYING to act like they weren't actually getting sexual thills out of seeing a naked guy. Why would I CHOOSE to see these perverts play a football game. Football players keep their sexuality snuggled up to their trophies...in the closet.
Jim <GALL87896@yahoo.com>
Fremont, CA USA

One reason I don't spend my life watching millionaires run along after little balls is because my father paid more attention to the rich ball-chasers than he did to his own children. My brothers and I used to need help with our mathematic homework so dad would help us. If we didn't come up with the right answer he'd slap us in the head and say "come on, dummy!" He'd be pissed because he was missing his precious sports on T.V. This was about 20 years ago and he is still glued to the T.V. admiring the drugged-up, millionaire ball-chasers and I still suck at math. Sports first, family second, (as long as there's no sports on T.V.) F'ing rediculous.
Jim <GALL87896@yahoo.com>
Fremont, CA USA

Thank God Baseball season is over. Now we get months and months of stupid azz football. Football fans are the biggest losers on the planet. Hey Raiders fan, what's 2 + 2? Get a calculator ya big dummy.
Jim <gall87896@yahoo.com>
Fremont, CA USA

The suggestion that municipalities pay for arenas is vile.
Evan D. Benner <6doublefive3two1@gmail.com>
Fresno, Ca United States

Nice site! LOLZ
Stinky
detroit, MI USA

Sports Suck. Today Is saturday, and millions of people will waste their time getting all worked up over some gay football game. If their team loses, they will all be in a bad mood and will act like little kids that lost their favorite toy. Since I could give a rats ass about football, I will be in a totally different world tonight, being very happy and looking for other things to talk about with the people of my town. All of you should look forward tonight to going out and NOT talking about sports, but other things...

Hot Chicks find this attractive (They are usually bored with their Sports Zombie boyfriend and are looking for fresh, intelligent subjects to talk about other than FOOTBALL)..
Mike

Thank you for showing us that we are not alone!!
Ben Seymour <benseym@gmail.com>

Sports are repulsive. Monday Night football, Tuesday night football, criminals like Michael Vick..

BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!...

SPORTS SUCK ASS AND SO DO THE IDIOTS THAT WASTE THEIR TIME WATCHING THEM!!!!!
Mike

I am forced to watch sports 24/7 by my husband. People die getting fit so it can't be good for you. Give me some intellectual stimulation - read a book, watch a good movie SOMETHING - I have been subjected to everything from street luge to netball.... aaaarrrggghhh
annette

I hate organised sport with a passion. I am not against exercising for personal fitness (although I find it boring) but the notion that we should all look up to athletes as role models or take sport seriously repulses me. Most sporting fans seem to turn a blind eye to the buffoonery which organised sport seems to encourage. Take a look at this latest incident as reported by Media Watch in Australia regarding 'The Footy Show' and it's idiotic personalities.
http://www.abc.net.au/ mediawatch/ transcripts/ s2692254.htm

Sam Newman <lari@paris.com>
Melbourne, Vic Australia

In Alabama, the common question is whether you are "Alabama or Auburn". Last week, an educational professional approached me and asked me. I said I really didn't care about either. He said I must not be from around here because residents were one or the other. I have never let my mind be dominated by such a time wasting event. I would rather save my brain cells for more important facts. I don't watch fictional movies or most TV either. I love true life happenings. My philosophy on life is "You can make things happen. You can watch things happen or you can wonder what happened."
Lady Melanie
AL

Yes, I do. :)
Hey, t-flage. Join the forum so you can tell us exactly why we're wrong. We'd love to hear more.
Earl

See what I mean?
Ron McPlain

you guys are fucking idiots
t-flage

I believe sports to be distraction from who we really are. It s a way of separating us from the understanding that, we are all one. We are inundated with competition from reality shows on T.V. to the business world, in schools, commercials and advertisements to the wars now being fought in foreign countries. Sports as I see it, is the unseen war against creativity and individual expression. It s us against them and I believe it to be deliberate. Distract people from whom they really are and keep them in the herd mentality so they can be more easily controlled. Athletes are given outrageous amounts of money to entice the younger ones into the illusion of this ridicules Neanderthal way of thinking and competing. Wake up people!
Ron McPlain

No,I'm not this person you call choo choo boy or whatever i'm a random person from the /b/ on 4chan.
SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!
4chan,

All of you who hate this website, please feel free to join the forum so you can harrass us there and insult us to your heart's content. We'd love it. Flame on!
Earl

Choo-choo boy, is that you? It sure sounds like you.
Earl

I guess he doesn't have anything intelligent to say. If he did, he would register to become a member of this website's forum. (It takes less than a minute.)
Earl

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I don't hate sports, but I hate how they dominate our culture. While the dummies are watching football, our country is being taken over by radical abortionists, Socialists, Feminists, etc. The media promotes pro sports so that these destructive forces can take over OUR country. I wonder what percentage of the below average adult sports fan knows how much he pays in taxes to provide medical care to human animals in prison and abortions for whores and welfare witches? Not even 10%. Stop paying attention to sports and take your country back. The radical muslims are teaching their children how to murder you, and the dummies are teaching their kids that being good in sports is paramount to anything else. Sports fans, please turn off the tv and turn on your brain. Stop embarassing the decent people in the US who make this country work.
M.W.G.
Denver, Co USA

I agree with all the haters of sport, it is crap i mean my old pe teacher devoted her life to keeping and now her life is crap. i pity anyone who obsesses their life with sports and rugby and football it is THICK with a capital T
from jacob
jacob smart <jakiesmart@hotmail.co.uk>
peterborough, cambs UK

Well, there's absolutely nothing wrong with playing soccer with your friends. You did a good thing for those people in the Philippines. And I think that just about anyone would agree. Some people go a little overboard about hating sports just to bait people who take sports too seriously. Because some people do have an irrational attachment to and depend on sports too broadly in defining themselves.
Ray

Wow, some really interesting thoughts on here. What I would suggest is some of you don t just think about the sports played, supporters, lifestyles and sponsorships in your locality.
I agree that it can seem pointless when people bet money, cheer people that don t know them, and generally only focus on sports rather than education.
However, one comment, stating something like Sports are a moral cancer, rotting this world to its core really bewilder me

I ve recently returned from a Rugby Tour to the Philippines, where I took part in Operation Restore Hope . We were there to coach orphans in how to play the game, and how to improve their skills. These children were orphaned because of their facial disfigurements, and (it was thought) would never have been given gainful employment, and therefore couldn t assist their families with finances.
By spending some time with these young boys, we were able, for a short period of time, able to let them know what it feels like to belong. To be in a team, which can be much like a family. They could all take pride in pulling on a jersey and belonging to a team. Being High-Fived for scoring, cheered for making that tackle, and applauded for doing their best regardless of the outcome.

You know what I intended to go on, but will probably only be given some kind of abuse from someone. Just thought some of you might be interested to know that it s not all about over-paid stars, teams kicking a ball into a net for no reason, and hating competitive people.

Please think how for some people, this may be all they every have for a happy memory

LuvSport
England

wtf is with sports these days? people these days ask "do you play any sports?" when they meet a person. what is with that. you know what sports are STUPID. theres no purpose accept for competition and being healthy. so isnt competition what causes conflicts these days! whatever. sports are stupid thats all i can say.
I HATE SPORTS

What a refreshing bunch of people you are. I cannot help but think that if America put as much emphasis on important things like finances and healthcare as they do on which team Michael Vick was going to play for, we would be so much better off. I think high school sports should only be allowed if one's grades are kept at an appropriate level. Let's get back to what really matters, a good quality education.
John <johngable@verizon.net>
Lebanon, PA USA

I love the "Evolution Takes A Turn For The Worse" logo! Is there any chance of having this put on a T-Shirt with a picture of a particularly vile sports star? Michael Vick, for example.
Linda Harbison

Wow I'm glad I found this site. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people playing the odd game of football or tennis, but what I've never understood is why people watch other people playing sports. What's the point of supporting a team? They don't know you, the players (in most cases) aren't your friends or relatives, so what's the point?! I don't even enjoy watching the World Cup, and frankly couldn't care either way if England won or not - it's a bunch of adults trying to kick a football into a goal, it's ridiculous.
Nick
London,

I EAT DENTAL FLOSS
Retarded windex drinking person

Sports are so gay. why do girls think sports in a guy are soo hott? i play fucking guitar, and let me tell you, playing and learning guitar is way fucking harder than kicking or catching a damn ball.
Alex Castro <milonakis13579@hotmail.com>

How unfortunate I am to live in a city as obsessed with sports as Pittsburgh. Even more unfortunate is the fact that I'm in high school. The only things that other kids talk about is their rank on Call of Duty 4 online (I hate that overrated piece of shit), or sports. I don't care about neither, so I only keep to friends who don't spend 24/7 talking about what the damn Panthers are going to score against who-the-hell-knows-who (they make brackets on the outcome of championships, and they actually bet MONEY on them, poor fools). Unfortunately, these friends are few in number, and because of their ignorant, obnoxious attitude towards sports, they classify anyone who dislikes sports are being subhuman (thankfully, I'm a pretty big guy, so few people have the guts to threaten me, but, should I be small, I would have probably committed suicide from the brutal treatment I would have received), so I became very anti-social. As a side-effect to this, my parents are constantly forcing me to try and socialize with these idiotic, ignorant goons, and this will not be happening anytime soon. Speaking of speaking to them, they speak in a foreign language, which sounds like a butchered dialect of what vaguely sounds like English. At a my school, however, sports are not only popular, it is also the only thing keeping the school FUNCTIONING. Our school has one of the lowest scores on the PSSA (the Pennsylvania standardized test), but the state lets the school run itself because of its successful athletics, which is otherwise known as a bunch of arrogant, moron jocks tossing a heavy inflated sack into a hoop mounted on a wall. Jocks may not flex their power at my school visibly, but they are almost always in the higher-up Honors courses and get grades they really do not deserve. Now, don't get me wrong, I get along with most of them, since they act like mostly cooperative people when they are not on the field. However, I almost ended up becoming one; because of my large size, some people believed that I would make a good football player (American football for those who do not live here), I was convinced to finally play football. And guess what? The jocks, who seem to know nothing academic, know ABSOLUTELY everything about the damned sport, while me, who gets outstanding marks academically, knows zip about American football. They used language that made absolutely no sense to me; thank God I was put as a lineman. I really disliked the whole experience apart from the players. Practice was strenuous, and the guys were pushy, and often touched me on the rear end during practice tackles. Why, I don't know (maybe because their orientation is in question). The coaches would often get in swearing fits whenever someone stole someone else's socks (and this happened often). I sat through the whole season, though, and when I signed up for high-school football, I saw the schedule; it made my mouth drop. I e-mailed the coach, and my application was canceled. However, when 9th grade ended, more kids started trying to convince me to come back, but my response stays clear-no way, ain't happening. Despite my experiences with American football, the same thing stays clear: how does someone stay devoted to a barbaric, idiotic activity such as a sport, instead of something worthwhile like academics, which will actually get you a successful job. People have literally ruined their lives on sports like football (both versions), rugby, baseball, hockey and basketball.

Bottom line, sports are a moral cancer that is rotting the world from its core. Unfortunately, it is in its late stages, so we need to fight as hard as we can against it and wish for the best, before it destroys us all.
frank
Pittsburgh, PA

Joe Skinny, what fucking era do you think we live? Hitler is long gone, you narrow-minded motherfucker. "Superior Children"? You mean gay fucking stereotypical jocks with an IQ below 70? What's so fucking superior about jocks? Theyr arrogance? Go drown in a kiddie pool filled with your own sperm.
Cristian <coxitos@Mailinator.net>
Constanta, RO Constanta

Joe Skinny, what fucking era do you think we live? Hitler is long gone, you narrow-minded motherfucker. "Superior Children"? You mean gay fucking stereotypical jocks with an IQ below 70? What's so fucking superior about jocks? Theyr arrogance? Go drown in a kiddie pool filled with your own sperm.
Necula Christian
Romania,

Hi Joe Skinny,
You obviously don't seem like a reasonable person so I won't be reasonable with you. I should have tried to be a bit more civil towards that Steven guy because he actually seemed prepared to show some respect to us and not just rant mindlessly. Perhaps he called me a loser but I did kind of deserve it. You on the other hand just seem like a total dick. "Superior children"? What the fuck are you on about? Your so-called "superior children" are just idiots who spend their days at school poncing around with balls instead of actually pissing working and considering other people's feelings and they'll most likely end up working shitty jobs. They're the real losers in life. They will not "beat" people in life like you say - they'll screw up and end up total fucking idiots like you, you dumb shit. Your views in the forums would not be appreciated because you obviously don't want to make a decent argument and just want to attack the people on this site without any decent backing. So kindly piss off and screw yourself. Fucking prick.
Katrin
Glasgow,

Thanks for the site ITS GREAT!! Me and my girlfriend cant stand sports at all and most of the people who spend all their time watching sports and memorizing every players stats and shit since 1950. Thanks for this site you guys.
DredgeGolgari <darkoverlord1337@gmail.com>
Denver, CO

http://www.interbent.com/images/professionals-payday.png

This makes me sick.
Pissed.
NJ

oh, and yah... IM NOT FAT. but on my way. jk. lol
molly

WoW! and i thought i was the only one that hates sports! they drive me CRAZY!!! i love this site! thx so much to whoever created it!!!!!!!
molly
CT UsA

Joe Skinny sez: "so my superior childern have someone to make fun of and consistantly beat in many areas of life."

You must be joking. Or just plain stupid. People with more important things to do than watch sports on TV are by definition more likely to succeed and, by extension, more likely to have your (apparently sports-loving) progeny working for them!

P.S. I'm not fat.
Ray
Stone Mountain, GA

Hello, Joe Skinny. For the record, I'm not fat; and I work out at a health club. The fact that you went to the trouble of typing your message 14 times would seem to indicate that you have reacted angrily to this website. You would be welcomed if you joined the forum as a member. If you would be willing to have a serious discussion without name-calling, I would be interested in hearing all of your views in detail. I don't agree with every statement that has been made at this website myself. We're actually a rather diverse group of people. In the meantime (if you're even reading this and especially if you have no intention of speaking out in the forum), your comments about having "superior" children who will make fun of others make you look bad.

Earl
Earl

Fat People-

If you are reading this you are probably fat. Please continue to sit on your ass and stuff your face while I enjoy the earth. Sit inside, watch tv and eat your woes away. Dont forget to pass on your fat genes and habits so my superior childern have someone to make fun of and consistantly beat in many areas of life.
Joe Skinny

SPORT SPORT SPORT SPORTS, SPORT IS GHAY MEJORLY I HATES IT SO FUKIN MUCH! Y SHOULD WE WASTE OUR SCHOOL TIME ON PE. WEN AT RECESS AND LUNCH IF YOUR ONE OF THOSE PPL WHO SPEND THEIR TIME WALKING AROUND OR DOING STUNTS U PROBABLY WALK MORE THAN 5 MILES A DAY!!!! AND SMOKERS HOW CAN U POSSIBLY EXPECT THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN OVER AND HOUR AND A HALF OF PHYSICAL MOVEMENT WITH OUT A SMOKO BREAK. YA'LL HEAR ME? SPORT SHOULD BE JUST AN ELECTIVE SUBJECT IN SCHOOL!
keisha katamine

I THINK ALL SPORTS ARE TOTAL RUBBISH. THEY SHOULD BE BANNED FROM TV. THEN ALL PEOPLE WHO TAKE PART IN THE SPORTS SHOULD BE PUT AGAINST A WALL AND SHOT AND KILLED.


Glenn
London, UK

Finally, I see that I am not alone.
screw sports fanatics

Forgot to mention a few things. The ranting is insane. You want to talk about something its about how was that game with this and that.. ok fine asshole then pay my kid for beating some cheating Xbox 360 game asswipe.. how about that.. they are fixed and everyone knows that.. but not the inbreeds that actaually like this mindless shit. Lets start with golf.. what a mindless waste of time.. or hockey.. (ok the entertainment is in the fights). If you like that then tune into the Jerry Springer show same shit and less time!! I have seen it all the sports watchers can`t get it up to please their wives. Sit eating potato chips belching and creamign give me a fucking beer.. (wonder why th¸eir wifes leave them).. most live in low life trailer trash parks.. the wife is to afraiind to leave them because of the abuse. If there were more females looking at this site and were seeing what is said they would just leave. They have 1 million options. LOSERS are sports fans becaue they could not cut th mustard and wanted to do so. WE the smart ones exercised our brians. I sincerely hope anyone that reads this bans sports.. Let those dumb fuck wanna be`s get a real, job. Slaves ike us. See the real world and use their brain is they have one. Make them jobless lets see what they can do. (when times get tough can they really get tougher) I really wonder!
Tony <oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca>
Peterborough, Canada

Hey!! Nice commets! Sports are the ecomonmys problem these pencil pushing lawyers, Doctors, Exec's are the total assholes that keep it alive to get a blow job etc. Its all who you know to get the BLOW.. all of us poor saps have to absorb all of the benefits thos jocks on the playfield get.. the statuim.. OUR yax dollars, the pay they get (IN FUCKING SANE) and our time (if we wannt to watch some show on TV and it is canceled because there shit is SO MUCH IMPORTANT then what we want to watch) Really wtf is up with that. These players earn more in ONE year then we earn in a life time really busting our asses... (MIllions). We get shit on by our bosses.. how fair is that.. because of what they can shot a PUCK OR TOSS A FUCKING BALL?? I can build things.. a nuke drops you think these ass coulkd do anything? What hold off the hungry people with a baseball, a puck or golf ball etc???. Not a chance! They would be at our mercy. My kid loves sports so be it. I let him as I let him be who he wants to me. With no influence to what I think. (He has a mind and let him think what he wants to).. He is in line waits 4 hours and then talks to the baseball player and he refused to sign his ball becuase the playerasked my son what did you think of thee game. My son said.. Ì am sure you could do better`.. the player was enraged. Tossed my sons ball to the ground and saiid ``I don`t have to take this from some punk assed low life`` consider me done.. fuck all sports.. Take a suck on the big one asssholes.. Over paid jackasss wanna bees.. I will never help you or support your sorry MFA.. fuck you!!
Tony <oldstuff1967@yahoo.ca>
Peterborough, Canada

i was thrilled to find this site. i despise them. i despise pro sports...athelets....coaches....sponsors....hate em all. Sports are great for kids...to keep them fit and teach them about fairness and fun...not for grown neanderthals. Millions of dollars go into this ridiculous industry. MILLIONS are paid to ONE SINGLE athelete. One dude who can catch a ball, put it through a hoop, or across a stupid line.
Pam Weimer <danpamzack@netnitco.net>
Hebron, IN USA

The flaw in these organized, acceptable indoctrination is extremely straggering and shocking in the sense of the ways and methods individuals within the society are in pursuation of it. How to define sport? meaningful competition?

The end result is miserable when one regards the mean to achieve...to achieve what? Power? Fame? Glory? The feeling that one get dominating another? Disgusting.
Texas Representitive
Dallas, TX USA

Well, I truly HATE sports. I think professional sport is played by stupid people who have nothing to to but play useless games. I hate when I hear in the bus people talking about sports, because there is no use of that kind of dialoges. Most of all subjects at school I hate P.E. I think it is unecessary thing. I am very dissapointed that many of money which our school has recieved was spended on improving some kind of stupid sport facilities while there are many more important things to improve in the building.
Most of all I am really, really worried about the fact that the mark of P.E affects on my diploma. Can you imagine such ... stupid situation: Somebody goes to a better college instead of me because he/she can run better!
Thunder
BG

So, then...I was correct to have the notion that sports are uber-gay and immature. Sports more than suck. Sports propogate violence, ie; Soccer. Under-pinning for Hooliganism. Basketball - what the fuck... Baseball - holy shit...a synonym for boring and steroids abuse. Hockey - pick up the fucking puck with both hands and throw it in the net. Use your skates as a weapon and cut any motherFushker who gets in your way. Football-queer scoring system and gay forms of man-handling each other. Tennis-snooze! Golf-triple snooze! Boxing-the most barbaric and uncivilized sport. Please enjoy your pummeled and damaged brain. Ultimate Fighting Championship - uber gay! Beachvolley - bad for the arches of feet and boring. Sports are activities for children. Nobody cares if you are "First" or "Number One" or the "Best". I have more important things to know than what a team or player did or what the fucking SCORE is. I don't like sports. I don't watch them. I don't participate in them. Fuck sports. Toss me a sports ball and I will blast it back in your face like dodgeball. Remember, the four D's: duck, dodge, dip and...duck! I don't want to hear you ask me, "Hey, did you see the game last night?" Fuck you and your fucking game inquiry. An appropriate response however, should be, "No, I didn't see THE fucking game last night, but I saw your wife's pussy spread eagle!" Fuck sports culture. Fuck sports celebrities. Go fuck a goat!
Marv Albert <sportsrgay@aol.com>
Bronx, NY USA

Wow. If only this site had been around when I was in school. Of course when I was in school computers were the size of freight cars and there was no internet. It's disturbing to see that NOTHING has changed in all these years. Oh, different terminology, neater gadgets, but when it comes to sports and jocks, it is the same as it ever was.
I am so glad I found this site. All these years I thought there was something wrong with me because I loathe and despise all things sport related. For the first time in my life I don't feel alone. It's nice. Keep up the fight.
john <honehead66@gmail.com>
murray, utah USA

Mike, thanks for the kind words. We have different points of view about P.E. because of our age difference. (I'm 58 years old.) I'm glad to hear that there have been some constructive changes since I was a kid in school. The problem I still have with P.E., though, is that forcing nonathletic, physically unfit kids to participate in competitive team sports is not the best way to get them in shape. What they really need to do is get on an exercise program involving some physical activity such as calisthenics, jogging, or weightlifting or a combination. This is a far more efficient way for nonathletes to become physically fit than participating in ball games. (Incidentally, did you know that not every sport exercises all the muscles of the body?) Think about it this way: Would you say that all students should take the same math class? Of course not. Math students range from those who need to take basic math all the way to those who are ready to take calculus. Students have different physical fitness needs, from those who are physically unfit (in one way or another) to those who are athletically inclined. I favor traditional sports-centered P.E. for the second group of students as an elective. Besides, the team approach does not work for those who are not able to play the particular sport in question well; and those students who have such classmates on their team end up resenting them, which sometimes even results in bullying. Also, not all school districts have the same P.E. programs. In a recent personal e-mail that he sent to me, Coach Tim McCord (who is one of the leading proponents of the innovative PE4Life program, which actually promotes physical fitness for all students) informed me that the old P.E. of my generation (which was particularly bad -- terrible, in fact -- for nonathletic kids) still exists in some school districts, and that much work still needs to be done to reform P.E. throughout the country. Hope you're not offended. We can agree to disagree. You sound like a good guy.
Earl

Earl,
thank you for your reply, your actually pretty nice. But I have an answer to your question. I know in my highschool and in almost every highschool these days have a workout room. There's an option to go to the workout room, or play the other activity that's going on in the main gym, which, i think is a good idea. So now I think the school systems have that message. But in elementery schools and middle schools there really aren't workout rooms, i believe the reasoning for this is that kids may be bad at football, basketball, baseball, but eventually discover their good at tennis or volleyball. I think schools still force everyone to participate in a sport in gym before highschool is so kids may discover something they love to do, or what it's like to be part of a team. Life is all about being part of a team, marriage, friendship, having peers/coworkers. I believe the system is fine how it is now. Your questioning of how physical education is used in school systems is no longer an issue, maybe 10 years ago, but not anymore.
Mike H
Hartford, ct America

Well, Samantha ran away because she is so stupid. Everyone knows the only thing jocks get are cheerleader sluts, enjoy loving sluts that smell like you! Hahahaha! Samantha, games help society opposed to SWORTS!
Sergey

Somebody should figure out a way to break into ESPN's signal with SOAPNET!!!!!!

That would be absolutely HILARIOUS!!!!!!!
Mike

Sports fans are stats keeping idiots who bore me to tears with their unsavory commentator like dissertations about certain teams or players. I wish for just 1 month that there were no sports to talk about and they didn't even exist so these people would shut the hell up. It's the only way they can pretend to have the tiniest hint of a brain. Without sports, they would be dribbling cabbages, lettuces or whatever vegetable you choose.
Craig Medlin <medlinwsp2m@gmail.com>
Florence, SC US

The question that I raise is the following: Why should nonathletically inclined boys in mandatory P.E. classes be forced to play ball games (which are supposed to be a form of recreation), instead of being given the opportunity to become physically fit (which historically has NOT been done)? Traditional sports-centered P.E. should be an elective for those kids who WANT to participate in sports.
Earl

Hey Korn, you may not like sports bu that doesnt mean all sports suck. Hell i know people who hate sports but they dont complain when they have to play them. If only you could see the joy most people get when they play sports with their friends you would understand the simple fact that sports are good for everyone, some may not like them but they still play and have fun.

Thanks for your time,
Cody
cody

and also it doesnt seem this website is trying 2 ruin fun since its for sports hater and im a sports lover and i have quite a bit of fun on here haha and its obvios some sports fans are so stupid when you see all these fights in the crowd ha only tohught of that cause i just saw it on tv like 5 seconds ago
larry33

Mike, as a relatively new supporter of this website, I can assure you that none of us is suffering under the delusion that we can get rid of sports. Believe me, we're not trying to ruin anyone's fun. Some of the comments here are made in jest, and we have different points of view. This website is simply a ranting board for people who have no interest in sports. Some of us are even following physical fitness regimens. You are to be commended for your civil tone. It is appreciated. :)

Earl
Earl

Sports shouldn't be taken out of schools and not be attented to anymore thats ridiculous. If you don't like sports, don't watch em. But don't ruin other peoples fun, i'm 15 and all year i look foward to football season so I can play/watch it on television. I'm not some stupid person that needs an easy college entry form like your site says, i'm actually number 6 in my class of 2012. If you have some horrible memory of being picked on by a jock in highschool and that's where all this anger comes from it's time to let go, because if you think about it logically your never going to get rid of sports, or them being televised. Too many people love them, it's that simple. All i'm saying is its cool to hate sports, but don't ruin other peoples fun.
Mike
America

I give up. I'll leave a message. Most of us happen to endorse the innovative PE4Life program, which actually promotes the physical fitness of nonathletic kids (unlike the traditional sports-centered approach) as well as student athletes.
Earl

Do you really think removing PE from schools is a good idea. I mean its cool that you guys don't get into sports but maybe kids need the exercise. Chances are they are not getting it at home.
Chris Moody <moodycj@gmail.com>

I knew there had to be other people that felt the same
way that I do about these channel grabbing thugs. I'd like
to see a "HEIDE" event more often.
Ronald F Anderson <rfander1@msn.com>
Gilmore City, Ia USA

korn your mouthing off behind a computer screen, so shut up you loser.
person

earl is cool katrin is a loser
steven

yeah, their not tough at all. their wussies!!
korn

You sports fans are obviously not the hardened ruffians and bullies I thought you were if you get offended so much by a woman swearing at you on the internet! You did come here to abuse and moan at the site, so I didn't think you'd be too shocked if I gave you some shit back! Obviously I thought wrong...
Katrin
Glasgow,

Pat (and any other critic of this website), you're not going to understand what this website is really about by just taking a cursory look at it; and the Guestbook is not the place to answer such questions or objections. Please register for the forum, and address your comments to me or any of the other moderators.
Earl

this video proves my point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERHRb98ucmw
troy

you dont even know where i live, and you shouldnt plan on punching me cause of this

PPG RPG APG
28.4 7.7 7.4
and the cavs have 60 WINS MAN. the heat have what 25 come on.

troy

Yea well we willl see when they pick the MVP and if they pick Dwayne Wade IM going to punch u
pat

pat did u watch sportscenter today? i think you didnt cause if you did you would of watch the 15 minute discussion with the NBA analyist and they all and i mean ALL agree that lebron was this years MVP. SO SUCKA ON THAT PAT!!!!
troy

so i have a question for all of you why do you hate sports soo much wat has sports done to affect you or your life because you should have a reason to hate something but it should be a good reason to
pat

i like sports
Anonymous
US

Dwayne wade all the way
pat

Katrin and Steven, each one of us is an individual whose own point of view has been shaped by different experiences. Please don t make the mistake I fear that I recently made when I submitted a post at another website in response to someone else s post. Since facial contact and voice tone are lacking, reacting to posts at a website is not an ideal form of communication. There is the potential to misunderstand or misjudge the other person. If I encounter an individual who happens to belong to a group of people whom I ve had good reason to resent or who appear to denigrate something that I enjoy or hold dear, my first reaction might be to regard that person as The Enemy. I ve done this many times. But if that person is respectful, then we should reciprocate. Even if he is not respectful, we should attempt to reason with him (which, granted, may be a vain attempt). Also, we should remember that many of those who are extremely angry have suffered a deep hurt that most people may not even be aware of; and some people may do a lousy job expressing what their point of view really is, and might even create a false impression. Speaking from my own experience, I know that if there is anger on both sides, there will not be any understanding. Verbal fights can be entertaining and may even be amusing, but often create more heat than light. Steven, I d be glad to answer any questions or objections you might have in the Forum. It doesn t matter which Topic you choose; I won t miss your post. Just don t expect an immediate response. My life doesn t revolve around the Internet either.

Earl

but its not only sports fans talking shit its also the people who hate sports and i know that this website is for people who hate them but its like all they are dong is saying completly pointless things that have no reasoning besides hurting each other but whatever i guess i think you could be a little more open minded katrin since that im not showing any of you any disrespect
steven

The reason we show disrespect to you sports fans is because some of you are the thickest fucks known to man. Now I'm not saying all of you are, but some of you couldn't shoot a barn if you were standing inside one.

Have you seen some of this year's letters from a guy called "Harold"? He is without a doubt the most stupid dickhead I've ever seen. He hasn't got a clue what he's on about and just goes on about people being nerds, fags and how not liking sports makes a person not worthy to live. He hasn't got a fucking brain cell in his fat head. Even bloody Samdaman gave some half-decent backing to his arguments - that moron only moaned and jeered and his fucking pathetic contributions are just going to be laughed at because of their lack of reasoning or coordination. I laughed at them. Hope he gets flattened by a steamroller - the world will sure be one idiot short after that!

I guess the 1% of you sports fans who are stupid give the rest of you a bad name. Life's unfair, isn't it? Oh well, we all get screwed once in a while.

Laters.
Katrin
Glasgow,

and thanks earl for that and im not really a critic of this website but i am of the disrespect and ignorince of some of the people on here and ill be sure to check out the forums
steven

hey korn how bout you read no one on here is even talking about watching football i just dont understand this the main page talks about hating watching sports but nothing wrong with just playing with friends but on the guest book everyone is bashing the fact of even playing sports at all why does everyone have to be so igrorent why cant we both just respect each others oppinion without picking on them because to be honnest i love sports they give me a reason to work hard on my grades so i can play and im sure they help keep alot of other people on track also and i understand why somepeople can hate sprots because they keep hearing about them but theres no need to look up every bad thing you can find about them like this korn guy if you hate sports then why are you watchin the way fans act about them i dont go looking up the way people that dont like sports act i just think everyone needs to grow up and im not saying that there is anything wrong with this website because i respect people with a common feeling having a group thing but i just thing you people could be more civil about it.....hha that was long i guess im not expecting anyone to readd allt his
steven

Chelsea and any other critics who are interested, please go to the Forum and express your views there. Otherwise, you'll hardly receive any feedback from us here. For those of you who want to insult us, I think you'd have more fun in the Forum than you will here. To participate in the Forum, you'll need to register first. Click on "Register" to begin the registration process. Once you've registered, scroll down to "Off-Topic" and click. On the next page scroll down just a little bit and click on "FORUM RULES" and read them so you'll know what is expected of you. Clicking on "FAQ" (which is on the same line as "Register") might also be helpful to you.
Earl

hey cody, ALL sports suck, and anyone who gives a shit enough to watch them is a piece of shit because they're boring as balls. The people who are die-hard fans are fucking annoying.

Especially the douche bags who know all the players in the NFL and shit.

But NOTHING is as fucking queer as Fantasy Fuckin Football. Get a fucking life you fucks.
korn

watch THIS youtube video!!!

a HA HA HA HA!! sports fans SUCKKKKKKKK!!!

Sports Fans Suck
Korn


korn

And another thing katrin why are you the one sitting on your lazy butt typing swears and using all this foul language against us? We arent the ones sitting there all day typing to people on this stupid websites when there are more people in the world who like sports while you nerds try to ruin it... but t will never happen because we actually enjoy having athletic skills and enjoy playing sports esspecialy basketball!!!! WOOHOO BASKETBALL RULES AND YOU NERDS SUCK!!!!
Cody

Sports rule, the reason why you dont like sports is because you have no athletic skills what so ever... dont judge anything until you actully try it. SPORTS RULE>NERDS SUCK
Cody

first that is a college roster, they dont get paid. next im is school and i found this sad excuse for a web site so i had to throw another option in here. Another thing Katrin
you need to watch your langue. when you swere foul langue you dont sound intelligent or intimidating. Also tring to pick a fight behind a screen has no point to it we will probably never meet so stop talking like your so tough.
troy

watch this youtube video

this guy rocks! sports fans SUCKKKKKKKK!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWXfwubIF64
Korn

and by the way katrin yuo pick on our ways but foul language is a sure sign of ignorince! so if you want to prove a point try being civil about it
steven

i think our world is so much better with sports without them we would have so much more criminal activity i cant count the number of times people say how sports keep them out of trouble basketball can keep kids out of gangs and into the courts i know if i didnt have basketball i would be dead by now so how dare you people shun our only life line
steven

Oh yes, Troy, one more thing. You say "Get a life instead of sitting in front of the stupid computer." What the fuck are you sitting in front of to type that message? And why are you on a sports suck website if you love basketball so much? Fucking gimp.

Take your stupid sports and rosters and stick 'em up your ass!
Katrin
Glasgow,

By the way, Troy, we don't care about your stupid fucking roster. I couldn't give a shit about any of those overpaid dickholes on that friggin' list of yours. This is an anti-sports website and your "line-up" is getting in the way of proceedings. If anyone else comes onto this site and clogs it up with their stupid sport crap, I swear I'll do time!
Katrin
Glasgow,

Good to see more comments hitting the guestbook.
Shame none of them are good! =(
Katrin
Glasgow,