Ban P.E.

[Polite24]

Ok, then make P.E. optional.

The bottom line is more of an emphasis needs to be put on healthy living in general. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a reason America is the fattest country. If it's not the fattest it's top 5.

[Fat Man]

Ok, then make P.E. optional.

The bottom line is more of an emphasis needs to be put on healthy living in general. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a reason America is the fattest country. If it's not the fattest it's top 5.

OK!

But most athletic coaches are against PE reforms. They prefer to keep the traditional PE with an over-emphasis mostly on competitive sports where kids who are not good at sports are held up for ridicule to be humiliated in front of the other kids.

And they would like to keep all this shit mandatory!!!

So, PE is NEVER going to be optional!

[rcfreak339]

^That post is straight up BS. Ive been to 3 middle schools and have moved to 2 different high schools. Not a single ONE of them MADE me do anything. If I didn't want to do it, she never forced me. Sure it would hurt my grade but that was because your not even trying. I just don't see why you guys can't just go out there a shoot a ball once in a while. I was never humiliated, Never. I acutely suck at sports, I just love them. My teachers have always been nice. You Fat Man don't know what its like in todays schools. Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

[rotten]

Never. I acutely suck at sports

And you "acutely" suck at grammar.

Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

Yeah, like people may have more time to learn things, and people may "acutely" learn how use the English language, or at least learn that "acutely" means to characterize something as sharp, and that "actually" is the word you meant to use.

[Earl]

^That post is straight up BS. Ive been to 3 middle schools and have moved to 2 different high schools. Not a single ONE of them MADE me do anything. If I didn't want to do it, she never forced me. Sure it would hurt my grade but that was because your not even trying. I just don't see why you guys can't just go out there a shoot a ball once in a while. I was never humiliated, Never. I acutely suck at sports, I just love them. My teachers have always been nice. You Fat Man don't know what its like in todays schools. Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

Your experience is not necessarily universal. In a recent e-mail to me, Coach Tim McCord (one of the leading proponents of the innovative PE4Life program) said that the old P.E. is still around at many schools. I think he knows what he's talking about more than either of us. He's coached for years.

I still pose this question: Is the purpose of P.E. to promote physical fitness, or is the purpose of P.E. just to promote sports? Yes, the two goals are not totally exclusive; but the fact remains that we are talking apples and oranges here. The most efficient way for a nonathlete to get into shape is by getting on an exercise program. How many times do I have to tell you? Any medical doctor would tell you that. You don't seem to have read my lengthy post addressed to you previously. Again, I cite the example of the obese child. He or she needs to exercise by constantly moving, which is not always done in sports. Why can't you see this?

Like many other teenagers, you seem to have a know-it-all attitude. (I'm quite thankful that my daughters didn't have this attitude.) When I was a teenager, I didn't know my head from a hole in the ground. It appalls me now when I think back and remember just how clueless I was. Someday when you're middle-aged, you may look back on your teenage years and cringe. That is, unless you're boneheaded stupid.

You say that you "just love them (sports)." Well, goody-goody gumdrops! We don't! And nonathletic students who have benefited from the PE4Life program are probably in better shape than you.

You say that you "just don't see why you guys can't just go out there a (sic) shoot a ball once in a while." Well, I just don't see why you aren't interested in the history of stamp collecting or how table salt is processed today or why you don't want to memorize the names of all of the Russian czars or the title of every book that H. G. Wells ever wrote or learn about the chemical composition of skunk spray. It's because we're just not interested, that's why.

And there's another answer to your question. Again, I draw upon my personal experience. When I was forced to play basketball in junior-high P.E., I did terribly and assumed that I must be a lousy kid for that reason. There never was any teaching about how the game of basketball was played or any instruction of how to shoot a basketball in any of the P.E. classes I was forced to take. I assumed in my ignorance (which should have been rectified by the P.E. teachers) that shooting a basketball was just shoving the basketball towards the hoop. Two years ago I joined a health club and started working with a personal trainer on a bodybuilding program. To provide variation in our routine, he once showed me how to shoot a basketball. I was amazed to learn that particular wrist and finger action is involved, and that it takes time to develop this skill. I was never told this in any of my P.E. classes. The incredibly stupid assumption seems to have been made that all boys were athletes. So, to answer your silly question, another reason why we just don't want to shoot a basketball is because we don't know how.

Oh, by the way, the last time I checked, Fat Man wasn't running any school districts; so, I don't think you need to worry about your precious P.E. being banned. To the contrary, the reality of the situation is that there is a big push to make P.E. mandatory K through 12 nationwide. The question remains as to whether the mandatory P.E. will be humane to nonathletic kids or if it will provide an opportunity for bullies to make their lives miserable, as was typically the case for generations. I'm more concerned about those consequences. Frankly, I'm not entirely optimistic. As I've already pointed out, there is a solution to this problem. But I think you're close-minded and are not willing to really study this issue.

[Fat Man]

Never. I acutely suck at sports

And you "acutely" suck at grammar.

Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

Yeah, like people may have more time to learn things, and people may "acutely" learn how use the English language, or at least learn that "acutely" means to characterize something as sharp, and that "actually" is the word you meant to use.

Oh yes! rcfreak339 is a prime example of why PE should be banned.

He not only sucks at sports, but he also sucks at academics! He sucks at both!

He's a two-time-loser!

If sucking at both sports and academics were a crime then . . . . .

Strike three, he would go to the slammer for life!!!

[Fat Man]

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^That post is straight up BS. Ive been to 3 middle schools and have moved to 2 different high schools. Not a single ONE of them MADE me do anything. If I didn't want to do it, she never forced me. Sure it would hurt my grade but that was because your not even trying. I just don't see why you guys can't just go out there a shoot a ball once in a while. I was never humiliated, Never. I acutely suck at sports, I just love them. My teachers have always been nice. You Fat Man don't know what its like in todays schools. Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

Your experience is not necessarily universal. In a recent e-mail to me, Coach Tim McCord (one of the leading proponents of the innovative PE4Life program) said that the old P.E. is still around at many schools.

I still pose this question: Is the purpose of P.E. to promote physical fitness, or is the purpose of P.E. just to promote sports? The most efficient way for a nonathlete to get into shape is by getting on an exercise program. How many times do I have to tell you? Any medical doctor would tell you that. You don't seem to have read my lengthy post addressed to you previously. Again, I cite the example of the obese student. He or she needs to exercise by constantly moving, which is not always done in sports. Why can't you see this?

Like many other teenagers, you seem to have a know-it-all attitude. (I'm quite thankful that my daughters didn't have this attitude.) When I was a teenager, I didn't know my head from a hole in the ground. Someday when you're middle-aged, you may look back on your teenage years and cringe. That is, unless you're boneheaded stupid.

Hey Earl!

Feel free to borrow my Verbal Wood Chipper at anytime!



OK?

[Earl]

Thanks! But I think I just used one of my own. But feel free to use yours!

[Earl]

^That post is straight up BS. Ive been to 3 middle schools and have moved to 2 different high schools. Not a single ONE of them MADE me do anything. If I didn't want to do it, she [my italics] never forced me. Sure it would hurt my grade but that was because your not even trying. I just don't see why you guys can't just go out there a shoot a ball once in a while. I was never humiliated, Never. I acutely suck at sports, I just love them. My teachers have always been nice. You Fat Man don't know what its like in todays schools. Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

Mrs. Earl just pointed something out to me.

rcfreak339, you say that your P.E. teachers were women. Are you a girl? I had assumed that you were a guy. That would account for a lot in the way that we look at P.E. Historically nonathletic boys have been treated differently in mandatory boys' P.E. from the way nonathletic girls (except for the fat ones) are in mandatory girls' P.E. Generally, nonathletic boys have been treated worse than girls in traditional sports-centered P.E. Your femininity is not tied up with how good or bad you are at a sport. For generations nonathletic boys have been regarded as sissies and wimps; and as I've pointed out in several posts, historically boys who have not had an interest in sports have been falsely accused of having homosexual tendencies. In fact, a lot of people today still believe this nonsense. I would not expect you as a girl to even be aware of this anymore than I as a guy would be aware about some of the problems girls face or some of the situations that they experience as they are growing up. Now I understand where you're coming from on this issue. Excuse me if I was too belligerent.

[rcfreak339]

^I'm a guy...And yes 2 of the 3 Middle School gym teachers I had were women and 1 of the 2 Highschool teachers I had were women....I saw no difference between a women gym teacher and a guy gym teacher.

[rcfreak339]

Never. I acutely suck at sports

And you "acutely" suck at grammar.

Don't ban PE. If we do, we will see the consequences.

Yeah, like people may have more time to learn things, and people may "acutely" learn how use the English language, or at least learn that "acutely" means to characterize something as sharp, and that "actually" is the word you meant to use.

Oh yes! rcfreak339 is a prime example of why PE should be banned.

He not only sucks at sports, but he also sucks at academics! He sucks at both!

He's a two-time-loser!

If sucking at both sports and academics were a crime then . . . . .

Strike three, he would go to the slammer for life!!!

I suck at academics? Hmmm, thats incredibly odd. I have currently have 4 A's and a B. The B is in a AP Algebra class(yes, for a junior. Thats pretty damn good)One of the A's are also in a AP literature class. Better luck next time on that.

[Earl]

^I'm a guy...And yes 2 of the 3 Middle School gym teachers I had were women and 1 of the 2 Highschool teachers I had were women....I saw no difference between a women gym teacher and a guy gym teacher.

Wow! This is very interesting. Not at all like the P.E. I had to take when I was a kid. What you still need to remember, though, is that we've had different P.E. experiences.

Uh-oh. Mrs. Earl says she's not sure that she believes you. As for me, it doesn't matter much to me what to believe. All I've got to go on is words on a computer screen. Anyone and everyone here could be misrepresenting himself or herself. But any way you look at it, it's no big deal anyway.

[rotten]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a reason America is the fattest country. If it's not the fattest it's top 5.

Okay, since you asked for it, you are wrong, we are fat not because of not having PE (which we do have), we're fat, because we are the most successful country in the world, and we use our brain parts to do the work instead of the monkey boy physical plowing of the field using grandpa's femur bone. That and our government pushing the bullshit food pyramid. F'kin McGovern lying sack of $hit.

[rotten]

One of the A's are also in a AP literature class. Better luck next time on that.

Apparently they lowered the bar again, so even kids like you can feel special. See the word "actually" was 2nd grade vocabulary word and "acutely" was a third grade word when i was in school. Maybe you will get to those two words your senior year. Please come back to us when you get there m'kay? Buh Bye!

[Earl]

... instead of the monkey boy physical plowing of the field using grandpa's femur bone.

I just love this forum (as long as the witty comments keep coming).

That and our government pushing the bullshit food pyramid. F'kin McGovern lying sack of $hit.

rotten, please pardon my ignorance; but by "McGovern" you mean George McGovern, the former U.S. Senator and 1972 Presidential candidate of the Democratic Party? Just wondering.