Nostalgia For The Light

[Fat Man]

What do Astronomers, Archaeologists, and victims of a dictatorship have in common?

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Friday, Mar 18, 2011 20:30 ET

"Nostalgia for the Light": A spectacular
head-trip into Chile's Atacama Desert
Astronomers, archaeologists and victims of dictatorship
collide in the gorgeous "Nostalgia for the Light"
By Andrew O'Hehir


A still from "Nostalgia for the Light"

What connections can be drawn between astronomers who study distant stars and galaxies, archaeologists who study pre-Columbian petroglyphs and mummified human remains, and women searching for loved ones who disappeared during Chile's 1970s military dictatorship? In Patricio Guzmán's almost metaphysical documentary "Nostalgia for the Light," Chile's Atacama Desert -- often described as the driest place on Earth -- is depicted as the site of all these explorations. This film demands patience from the viewer, unfolding its themes and its spectacular images gradually. But it packs a potent intellectual and emotional wallop, combining a post-Augustinian philosophical consideration of time with a passionate desire to uncover Chile's painful recent history.

A veteran Chilean leftist who spent many years in exile after the 1973 military coup that overthrew the democratic socialist government of Salvador Allende, Guzmán became famous throughout the film world for his three-part documentary "The Battle of Chile," which captured all the drama and tragedy of his country's revolution and counterrevolution. It's one of the greatest living-history pictures ever made, as well as a work of ardent political advocacy that influenced a generation of young radical filmmakers all over the world. (I'm confident that Michael Moore, Oliver Stone and Ken Loach, for instance, would agree.)

Almost four decades after Gen. Augusto Pinochet ousted Allende and installed a murderous right-wing junta (warmly embraced, of course, by the United States), Guzmán remains hypnotized by that history. (He has also made films about Pinochet and Allende, as well as a documentary about his own return to Chile in 1997.) Traveling into the Atacama turns out to be at once a way of transcending that fixation and of going into it more deeply. Astronomers come there from all nations because the humidity-free skies render celestial bodies brilliantly clear; archaeologists come there because human remains and artifacts from thousands of years ago are perfectly preserved; and bereaved mothers, wives and sisters come there because Pinochet's regime apparently buried the bodies of hundreds of kidnapped and executed dissidents there in the '70s and '80s.

All these people, Guzmán observes, are concerned with the past, and at least indirectly with the most profound and unanswerable questions about the nature and meaning of human existence. (Remember that the starlight we see from Earth has been traveling through space for many years; astronomers viewing the most distant galaxies are literally looking billions of years back in time.) As one astronomer explains, there is almost no such thing as the present -- a fact observed by St. Augustine 1,600 years ago -- and another observes that the atoms of calcium in the bones of Indians and dissidents interred in the Atacama were forged long ago by the stars, perhaps in the Big Bang itself. Guzmán even finds a young female astronomer whose parents were killed by Pinochet's goons when she was a year old, and who finds in her profession a transcendent understanding that has eased her pain. (If the final scenes of her with her newborn don't leave you weeping, irrespective of your politics, I don't know what to say.) "Nostalgia for the Light" is less a conventional documentary than a work of poetic imagination or a nontheistic spiritual meditation. Enormously moving and wondrous to behold, it looks for a peaceful equilibrium in the universe that its creator's home country may never find in itself.

"Nostalgia for the Light" is now playing at the IFC Center in New York. It opens March 25 in Seattle; April 1 in Vancouver, Canada; April 22 in Los Angeles and Washington; and May 13 in San Francisco, with more cities to follow.

Gen. Augusto Pinochet (of should I say, Pinoshit?) was just another vicious mad dog dictator who had thousands of people tortured to death.

And what I find most despicable is that the USA supported this dictatorship back in the 1970s.

Almost four decades after Gen. Augusto Pinochet ousted Allende and installed a murderous right-wing junta (warmly embraced, of course, by the United States), Guzmán remains hypnotized by that history.

You all remember the Pol Pot Regime in Cambodia?

Pol Pot became leader of Cambodia in mid-1975. During his time in power, Pol Pot imposed a version of agrarian socialism, forcing urban dwellers to relocate to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labor projects, toward a goal of "restarting civilization" in a "Year Zero". The combined effects of forced labor, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions resulted in the deaths of approximately 21% of the Cambodian population.

Also, Po Pot had all the intellectuals executed. Another words, anybody who could read or write, or anybody who even wore eye glasses were subject to torture and execution.

Yeah, Cambodia was not a safe country for nerds and geeks.

Po Pot was someone the jocks can look up to!

Now, look at the anti-intellectualism that we're now seeing in the USA today.

[ChrisOH]

Hello Fat Man!

I'm hoping "Nostalgia for the Light" comes to Cleveland on its tour -- it sounds like a fascinating film!

As for the word "socialist" -- what exactly is a true socialist? Both Pol Pot and Allende were called socialists, yet they seem diametrically opposed. Even the Nazis were officially called the "National Socialist Party."

So what should the true meaning of the word be?

[Fat Man]

Hello Fat Man!

I'm hoping "Nostalgia for the Light" comes to Cleveland on its tour -- it sounds like a fascinating film!

As for the word "socialist" -- what exactly is a true socialist? Both Pol Pot and Allende were called socialists, yet they seem diametrically opposed. Even the Nazis were officially called the "National Socialist Party."

So what should the true meaning of the word be?

You know, I really don't know what a Socialist is. I thought I knew!

There is a racist right-wing organization of whites who call themselves Socialists, it's the National Socialist White People's Party founded by George Lincoln Rockwell.

But none of these organizations embrace true Socialism. Racism actually goes against the principles of true Socialism.

I'm actually more of a true Socialist than they are. I believe in equal rights for all races, all people, and I believe that Government should provide adequate services to the people such as health care and a good education, that health care and education should not be only for the rich, but for middle class and low income as well, for everybody. So, I believe in a Democratic form of Socialism.

So, idiots like Po Pot are not true Socialists! Neither were the NAZIS! They really weren't Socialists either, they were Fascist!

At least the Communists were more honest. We know what Communism is, like it or not, we know what it is.

But a lot of people who claim to be socialists, really are not true socialists.

They just call themselves Socialists when they really aren't

[ChrisOH]

You know, I really don't know what a Socialist is. I thought I knew!

Recalling my days in Econ 101 in college, from a purely economic standpoint, socialism is a system where the government controls the means of production of goods and services. In that case, communism was an extreme and totalitarian offshoot of socialism.

I would be inclined, however, to adhere to your definition of democratic socialism. It's even in the preamble to the Constitution that the government should "promote the general welfare." Failing to provide adequate health care and education to all citizens, is, IMO, not promoting the general welfare of the nation.

There is a racist right-wing organization of whites who call themselves Socialists, it's the National Socialist White People's Party founded by George Lincoln Rockwell.

But none of these organizations embrace true Socialism. Racism actually goes against the principles of true Socialism.

I'm actually more of a true Socialist than they are. I believe in equal rights for all races, all people, and I believe that Government should provide adequate services to the people such as health care and a good education, that health care and education should not be only for the rich, but for middle class and low income as well, for everybody. So, I believe in a Democratic form of Socialism.

So, idiots like Po Pot are not true Socialists! Neither were the NAZIS! They really weren't Socialists either, they were Fascist!

At least the Communists were more honest. We know what Communism is, like it or not, we know what it is.

But a lot of people who claim to be socialists, really are not true socialists.

They just call themselves Socialists when they really aren't

Sounds kind of like how North Korea, and formerly East Germany, refer(red) to themselves as a "Democratic Republic" or "People's Republic", when in reality, they're anything but.

[Fat Man]

Recalling my days in Econ 101 in college, from a purely economic standpoint, socialism is a system where the government controls the means of production of goods and services. In that case, communism was an extreme and totalitarian offshoot of socialism.

I would be inclined, however, to adhere to your definition of democratic socialism. It's even in the preamble to the Constitution that the government should "promote the general welfare." Failing to provide adequate health care and education to all citizens, is, IMO, not promoting the general welfare of the nation.

Now you get it!

To maintain a complex civilization, ALL citizens must have equal access to a good education and health care.

Only a well educated population of citizens will be able to make wise choices when voting in the polls, at least in theory.

Unfortunately, we have allowed the quality of educations to decline. But this is what the Retardican party has been counting on. The more ignorant the people are, the more likely they are to vote for Retardican candidates.

The Retardican party gets most of it's support from the ignorant and uneducated.