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Child-Torturing, Mind Control Cultist was Ambassador to Italy
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By John Gorenfeld, AlterNet. Posted November 8, 2005.

Bush rewarded one of his loyalists with the ambassadorship to Italy -- despite his past as the founder of an cult-like teen rehab clinic.

More stories by John Gorenfeld

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Among our president's appointments of GOP activists to important posts, we've done worse than Melvin Sembler, the Ambassador to Italy who couldn't speak Italian. Unlike the FEMA chief, who had real responsibilities, Sembler sometimes found himself a fifth wheel around his own embassy. As the Washington Monthly has reported, the scandal that claimed Scooter Libby's job last Month may have sprung from secret Rome meetings between neocons, an Iran-Contra figure and an Italian intelligence boss who later pushed phony WMD documents-- all behind Sembler's back.

But where Melvin Sembler, 74, demands attention is as an object lesson in how cruelty can be redeemed by the transformative power of political donations. For 16 years, Sembler, with his wife Betty, directed the leading juvenile rehab business in America, STRAIGHT, Inc., before seeing it dismantled by a breathtaking array of institutional abuse claims by mid-1993. Just one of many survivors is Samantha Monroe, now a travel agent in Pennsylvania, who told The Montel Williams show that year about overcoming beatings, rape by a counselor, forced hunger, and the confinement to a janitor's closet in "humble pants" -- which contained weeks of her own urine, feces and menstrual blood. During this "timeout," she gnawed her cheek and spat blood at her overseers. "I refused to let them take my mind," she says of the program. The abuse took years to overcome.

"It sticks inside you," she told Williams, "it eats at your soul." She told AlterNet that she was committed at 12, in 1980, for nothing more than being caught with a mini-bar-sized liquor bottle, handed out by a classmate whose mother was a flight attendant. Samantha's mother suspected more, and a STRAIGHT expert reassured her fears. The small blonde junior high-schooler was tricked into being taken to the warehouse-like STRAIGHT building. Her mother, told by counselors that her daughter was a liar, was encouraged to trick the girl for her own good.

Overcome by dread in the lobby, Samantha tried to run but was hauled into the back by older girls. Inside, as was standard operating procedure, she began the atonement process that cost over $12,000 a year: all-day re-education rituals in which flapping the arms ("motivating") and chanting signaled submission to "staying straight." She was coerced, she says, into confessing to being a "druggie whore" who went down on truckers for drugs. "You're forced to confess crimes you never committed." (Some survivors call it extortion.)

Melvin Sembler stepped down earlier that year as Our Man In Rome -- he also served under the first Bush as Ambassador to Australia. Were Monroe's story unique, his STRAIGHT clinics might still be in business. Instead, his creation, which he stubbornly defends, closed under a breathtaking array of institutional abuse claims by 1993, ranging from sexual abuse, beating and stomping to boys called "faggots" for hours while being spat upon -- humiliation so bad that a Pennsylvania judge recently ruled it potentially mitigating of a Death Row sentence for a former STRAIGHT teen who committed a homophobic murder.

Although prosecutors closed the clinics, six-figure settlements sucked it dry, and state health officials yanked its licenses after media reports of teen torture and cover-up, Sembler himself escaped punishment. As one of the preeminent and hardest-working GOP fundraisers, Sembler has received the honor of living during the George W. Bush presidency at the Villa Taverna, the official residence for the U.S. ambassador, which has the largest private garden in Rome. One night in May at "The Magic Kingdom" (as Mel and Betty call it), the dining room filled with smoke from fine cigars, as the ambassador entertained Bush Sr. and an entourage -- until Betty complained that the old friends were stinking up "my house," the Washington Post reported.

He's come home, but still wafting across national drug policy is the influence of his STRAIGHT, which has legally changed its identity to the Drug Free America Foundation (director Calvina Fay denies it's the same organization but the name change is listed in Florida corporate filings). Subsidized by tax dollars, it lobbies for severe narcotics policies and workplace drug testing, with an advisory board that includes the like of Gov. Jeb Bush and his wife Columba, and Homeland Security Director of Public Safety Christy McCampbell. A more pressing issue is that former overseers of Sembler's company, true believers in the STRAIGHT model, are still running spin-off businesses that treat teens with the old methods.

Starting out STRAIGHT

The story begins in 1976 when Sembler, who'd made his fortune in Florida real estate, founded STRAIGHT from the ashes of The Seed -- an earlier program suspended by the U.S. Senate for tactics reminiscent, said a senator, of Communist POW camps. But as the Reagan years rolled into view, and a climate of fear nurtured a Shock and Awe approach to teens, the Semblers found a new world of acceptance for an anything-goes treatment business, meting out punishment in privately run warehouses. Endorsers from Nancy Reagan to George H.W. Bush lent their names to the program, celebrating a role model weapon in the "war on drugs."

Nine years before the elder Bush took office, Sembler was a faithful political supporter, and raising millions beginning in '79 for the Bushes' clash with Reagan for the Republican nomination. In 1988, as Bush finally accepted the GOP's nomination for president, Sembler sat in the front row. With his man in the White House, STRAIGHT would become a vehicle for purchasing eminence as a Drug War thinker. By 1988, Sembler wasn't just running the Vice President's "Team 100" soft money campaign and enjoying steak dinners with him -- he was sojourning in George and Barbara Bush's living room, briefing the candidate on drug policy. As a token of his friendship, he gave Bush a new tennis racket, receiving this note in return: "Maybe we can play at Camp David someday."

And Sembler's success grew and grew as the Clinton era spooled out. The slickly dressed go-getter smashed records as RNC Finance Chairman from 1997 to 2000, chairing the "Regents" club that accommodated such super donors as Enron's Ken Lay to fund George W. Bush's campaign machine.

Meanwhile, a coast-to-coast trail of human wreckage had ensued during STRAIGHT's reign from 1976 to 1993 -- its survivors claimed physical, sexual and psychological trauma. The Web sites Fornits.com and TheStraights.com have collected many of their stories. Posts Kelly Caputo, an '88 alumna: "I don't think I will ever be the same. My every thought has been violated, confused, degraded and warped."

"My best guess is that at least half of the kids were abused," says Dr. Arnold Trebach, a professor emeritus at American University who created the Drug Policy Foundation to find alternatives to harsh laws. He has singled out STRAIGHT in his book "The Great Drug War" as among drug warriors' worst mistakes.

But today, Sembler's trail of purchased political friendships has led him through the opulent doors of the $83 million "Mel Sembler Building" in Rome, christened that year with help from a longtime ally in Congress, Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-FL). Not the palace where Sembler worked as ambassador, but another of the Eternal City's architectural treasures, built in 1927 and now dedicated as an annex to the U.S. Embassy in a $30 million renovation at taxpayer expense. "Narcissus is now Greek and Roman," said the Washington Post of the monument. No one could remember any other diplomat receiving such honors, not even Benjamin Franklin.

"We don't do that, do we?" George W. Bush reportedly told the congressman, according to Congressman C.W. Bill Young 's (R-Florida) speech during the ceremony. "We don't name buildings for ambassadors where they have served."

"Mr. President," the politician replied, "I introduced the bill and you signed it." Bush may have missed the Sembler Building provision, tucked as it was into an appropriations bill. But he owed much to the longtime family friend, whom he thanked on "The Jim Lehrer Report" [RealAudio] in 2000 for raising $21.3 million at a single dinner in April, a new record. Asked what favors the money paid for, Bush professed wonderment at the premise: "I know there's this kind of sentiment now -- I heard it during the primaries ... [that] if someone contributes to a person's campaign, there's this great sense of being beholden."

At the Sembler Building, visitors can stroll among the Italian frescoes of cherubs and heavens, and marvel at the spoils of Bush family loyalty, and meditate on the human costs that made Sembler's paradise possible.

STRAIGHT's practices

Melvin Sembler's Jekyll-and-Hyde empire appealed to parents with cheery pamphlets bearing pictures of happy and reunited families that had put their horrible pasts behind them.

Even Princess Diana had graced the clinics with a visit, celebrating STRAIGHT as a humanitarian institution. George H.W. Bush named the program among his "thousand points of light." But many called it Hell.

Taking in new kids without much discrimination -- many addiction-free -- STRAIGHT staff assured parents that a variety of troubled teens could benefit from their brand of discipline.

Vanished from home and school, the newcomer would enter the care of a "host home" overseen, at night, by the same counselors up in her face by day. Over the months, patients like Samantha Monroe earned back basic privileges like speaking or, in the distant future, going to the bathroom alone, without an ever-present minder's thumb in the belt loop -- literally. The counselors were themselves STRAIGHT kids, who had been molded into drug warriors in the heat of humiliation. They'd learned to play along and join the winning side, becoming the hall monitors and the muscle that enforced the rules.

From the outset, STRAIGHT's method was on thin ice with regulators. The underpinnings had long struck critics as more Pyongyang than Pinellas County. Sembler took his blueprint from another St. Petersburg program, The Seed, in which his son had enrolled in the 1970s. The Senate was less impressed than Sembler with The Seed. Senator Sam Ervin, who'd brought down Richard Nixon, killed the program's federal subsidies for funding a method "similar to the highly refined 'brainwashing' techniques employed by the North Koreans." Ervin's 1974 probe into the rise of treatment abuse articulated an admirable American ideal: that "if our society is to remain free, one man must not be empowered to change another's personality and dictate the values, thoughts and feelings of another." Sembler had other ideals in mind, as hundreds of STRAIGHT victims would later attest.

Finally, one by one, the 12 clinics, which had once formed a nine-state empire, went dark. Much of the money was lost in settlements, but jury verdicts offered a peek into the regularity of the abuses. Florida patient Karen Norton was awarded $721,000 by a jury after being thrown against a wall in 1982 by the Semblers' treatment guru of choice: Dr. Miller Newton, whose unaccredited Ph.D was in public administration, but was tapped by the Semblers as STRAIGHT National Clinical Director. He's emblematic of how the creature Sembler built just won't stop sprouting heads, having personally launched spinoff businesses with names like KIDS. As a result, Newton has paid out over $12 million to his victims. Having moved back to Florida, he now calls himself "Friar Cassian," a priest in the non-Catholic Antiochian Orthodox church.

But just last month, Betty Sembler testified in a case against a STRAIGHT critic that Miller Newton, the dark cleric of rehab, is "a very close and dear friend and a valued one," and an "outstanding individual." Had he committed outrageous acts? "Absolutely not," she said, adding that it was incomprehensible that ex-STRAIGHT teen Richard Bradbury was picketing Newton. Thanks to her judgment of character, Newton has been given a voice in national drug policy, listed as a participant in a Drug Free America Foundation "International Scientific and Medical Forum."

From the beginning, critics were shocked to find that the keepers freely acknowledged many of the tactics -- yet insisted they were necessary. Mel Sembler even seems to have been emboldened by painful questions about his clinics. "We've got nothing to hide -- we're saving lives," he said in 1977 after six directors quit over practices that included kicking a restrained youth. He remained closely involved in personnel management. Almost two decades later, recalling how the ACLU was furious about STRAIGHT's practices, Sembler told Florida Trend Magazine in 1997 -- "with a grin," the reporter wrote -- that "it just shows that we must have been doing things right."

And rather than clean up Florida's program, he apparently leaned on health inspectors in 1989 to go easy on it. Reports of a cover-up wouldn't emerge for four more years -- long years, for the teenagers committed to a program that wouldn't lose its license until 1993. STRAIGHT foe Bradbury, believing he'd been "brainwashed" into becoming an abusive counselor, brought the clinics to the attention of the state after years of protest. Inspector Lowell Clary of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services found that reports of illegally restrained and stomped-on teens had been swept under the rug, likely with help from Republican state senators, who went unnamed, but made phone calls urging the clinic stayed open. A "persistent foul odor" hung over this use of power, said a St. Petersburg Times Op-Ed applauding the death of STRAIGHT.

"While at the facility," wrote Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services Acting Inspector General Lowell Clary on May 19, 1993, "the team [of inspectors in 1989] received a phone call informing them that no matter what they found, STRAIGHT would receive their license." "If you do anything other than what I tell you on this issue, I will fire you on the spot," an HRS official was told. Clary wasn't positive, but evidence suggested that "pressure may have been generated by Ambassador Sembler and other state senators."

By now, Clinton was in office. Four years earlier, while young "druggies" were still being restrained to chairs for 12 hours, denied medication and sent to the hospital with injuries, the 1989 report would have tarnished President George H.W. Bush's "points of light." Bush had designated STRAIGHT an American treasure. On that fragile premise, not one but two STRAIGHT presidents had been named ambassadors in 1989, the year of the Florida inspection. Sembler got the Australian assignment. The other post sent co-founder Joseph Zappala to Spain armed for diplomacy with a high school education. The two were mocked in People as "too hick to hack it." They'd clowned around during the nomination process, turning in nearly identical answers on Senate disclosure forms. In the "languages spoken" box Sembler had written, humorously, "English (fluent)."

That took real cheek. These two pranksters had been leaders of a group characterized as a destructive cult by top authorities on cult abuse ranging from Steve Hassan of the Freedom Of Mind Center to the late Dr. Margaret Singer of UC Berkeley, an expert on the abuse of American servicemen in the Korean War whose expert testimony was used to close a facility in Cincinnati. Bradbury, the whistleblower, concurs, saying the program modified his personality into something monstrous. Bradbury attended the St. Petersburg, Florida clinic. "You don't understand what they did to these kids," Bradbury told AlterNet. "They put stuff up my butt."

But you wouldn't know from Sembler's State Department biography that his claim to fame has such a shoddy legal record. The program has the honor of being described as a "remarkable program" in his bio, and it credits STRAIGHT with saving 12,000 kids. The ambassador did not return attempts to contact him during the reporting for this story, and declined the author's interview requests that year through a U.S. Embassy spokesman.

In addition to receiving a second Ambassadorship from the second Bush president, his Governor Jeb Bush named August 8, 2000, "Betty Sembler Day" for her "work protecting children from the dangers of drugs," labeling her "ambassadorable." The next year, at a drug policy conference in Florida, a writer from the Canadian legalization magazine Cannibis Culture asked her about the STRAIGHT victims. "They should get a life," he quotes her as replying. "There's nothing to apologize for. The [drug] legalizers are the ones who should be apologizing."

The ambassador's wife is an outspoken critic of what she calls "medical excuse marijuana," and serves on the boards of such mighty anti-legalization campaigns as the International Task Force On Strategic Drug Policy, which works with Latin American countries to lobby for harsh drug laws. Mel himself used his Rome ambassadorial pulpit for a global conference in 2003, appealing to the "moral imperatives" of the drug war and urging a "culture of disapproval of drug abuse." DFAF, founded by the Semblers, receives hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants from the Small Business Association to advance workplace drug testing in businesses -- for example, a handout in 2000 of $314,000. Betty Sembler is president and Melvin has served as chairman.

STRAIGHT's Spin-offs

Though Sembler's clinics were shuttered, the spirit of STRAIGHT lives on as a flourishing model for drug rehabilitation. That includes offshoots run by former STRAIGHT staff, such as the Orlando STRAIGHT spin-off, SAFE, which was described by 16-year-old Leah Marchessault in 2000 as "something from the Twilight Zone" in a report by Florida's WAMI TV station.

Leah had gone to visit her sister, in for heroin abuse, only to be told she herself was a "druggie" -- sound familiar? And when Leah fled, she was pinned against a wall and assaulted by a pack of nine women members who forced her to undergo a full-body search. Another girl told WAMI of being "forced to stand for about an hour and a half, the attention being focused on me, and about every 10 minutes I was told how I was full of crap, how I needed to be flushed out."

Despite their cheery names -- SAFE in Orlando, Florida; Kids Helping Kids of Cincinnati, Ohio; Growing Together of Lake Worth, Florida -- these barely regulated warehouses cry out for oversight. Hungry for recruits, they appeal to the fears of parents by warning a child will die on the streets if uncorrected by their methods.

In the TV report, the presence of a spokeswoman named Loretta Parrish was evidence that SAFE was the child of STRAIGHT -- she'd been the local STRAIGHT's marketing director until 1992, when the old company closed under state scrutiny, and SAFE, a new company, almost immediately sprang up to replace it. A new head for the hydra: Parrish didn't dispute the visiting sister's horrifying experience, but called it necessary, as if explaining something obvious to her since the '80s.

"Yes we do require that," said Parrish. "And if they don't, then they have to remove the other child. This is a family treatment program. And unless the entire family is in treatment, it doesn't work."

"We do not do a strip search that is different from any other treatment program," she adds, and later described the teens and moms attacking SAFE as "a coalition of cockroaches." Gov. Jeb Bush even endorsed SAFE in a letter he wrote as "a valuable tool."

And so with the former STRAIGHT bosses rich in Republican honors, and insulated in a political Xanadu not unlike the alternate reality field engulfing the White House, a new generation of teenagers is going under the hammer, as an old generation of victims finds cold comfort for their own suffering. If this is the compassionate kind of conservatism, how harsh the other variety must be.

John Gorenfeld, a freelance writer in San Francisco, will be blogging further details of this story at gorenfeld.net/john.
Every time the USA had declared war on something, it wins and we lose.

Back in the 1960s the Johnson Administration declared war on poverty, and poverty won.

Then the USA declared war on drugs, but again drugs are winning and this so-called war on drugs is destroying our children. Yes, something must be done about young people using drugs, but I think educating children about the dangers of drugs would be the best approach.

But Republicans don't believe in education, as evidenced by their recent attacks on science, and wanting to replace science in our high schools with their Creationist fairy tales about a man made from a handful of dirt, a women made from his rib, a magical tree with magical fruit, and a talking snake with legs. And they also want to remove Thomas Jefferson from the history textbooks and replace him with John Calvin, a 16th century religious fanatic who had people tortured to death, which is understandable because their hero, President Bush had war prisoners tortured. And the Republicans prefer to see children tortured, beaten, and raped just for smoking a little weed, instead of educating them about not using drugs.

The Republican Party is America's Nazi Party!

I believe the Republican Party should be outlawed and the members of the party should ALL be put on trial, and we shall call it Nuremberg II, just as we had put Nazi war criminals on trial at Nuremberg after World War II.

And, the ones who are found guilty should be executed by firing squad!

No blindfold, and no last cigarette!

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Fat Man wrote:The Republican Party is America's Nazi Party!

I believe the Republican Party should be outlawed and the members of the party should ALL be put on trial, and we shall call it Nuremberg II, just as we had put Nazi war criminals on trial at Nuremberg after World War II.

And, the ones who are found guilty should be executed by firing squad!

No blindfold, and no last cigarette!
Fat Man,

This really is a bit much, don't you think?

I understand where your hatred comes from.

Ask yourself, however: which do you ultimately hate more, Republicans or the sports-crazed, meat-head culture we all claim to oppose?

This site isn't called GOPsucks.org. It is an anti-sports venue without nationality or political affiliation.
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recovering_fan wrote:
Fat Man wrote:The Republican Party is America's Nazi Party!

I believe the Republican Party should be outlawed and the members of the party should ALL be put on trial, and we shall call it Nuremberg II, just as we had put Nazi war criminals on trial at Nuremberg after World War II.

And, the ones who are found guilty should be executed by firing squad!

No blindfold, and no last cigarette!
Fat Man,

This really is a bit much, don't you think?

I understand where your hatred comes from.

Ask yourself, however: which do you ultimately hate more, Republicans or the sports-crazed, meat-head culture we all claim to oppose?

This site isn't called GOPsucks.org. It is an anti-sports venue without nationality or political affiliation.
Yes, but this is the OFF TOPIC section of the forum where we can discuss many other topics besides anti-sports.

This is were we can talk about politics, and many other topics.

Here in the OFF TOPIC section, I have posted articles on science, such as Astronomy, Evolution, and historical topics, etc. etc. and also the latest news items.

I have posted articles about discrimination against fat people, and articles concerning civil rights.

So, if you go back through some of the earlier pages you will see topics I have posted here since February 12,2009 which was the 200th birthday of Charles Darwin when I first joined this anti-sports web site.

Extreme right-wing politics with its religious extremism and anti-science attitude, and sports fanaticism are actually two sides of the same dirty evil coin.

Flip the coin.

If you come up heads, it comes up right-wing politics.

If you come up tails, it comes up obsession with sports.

Either way, heads you lose, or tails you lose.

That's what happens if you flip a dirty and evil coin!

It's a game we are all doomed to lose.

So, I want to urge everybody here to play a brand new game.

A game that encourages intellectual and academic freedom, a game that supports science and progress, and a new game played for freedom. And best of all, you don't have to be an athlete to play this brand new game. It only requires brains and common sense.

And so, we need to flip a brand new clean and shinny coin.

Heads you win, and tails you win!

That's why I discuss politics in the OFF TOPIC section.

I despise right-wing extremism and religious fanaticism just as much as I despise our culture's obsession with sports.

I guess I have always been a political animal.
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recovering_fan wrote:
Fat Man wrote:The Republican Party is America's Nazi Party!

I believe the Republican Party should be outlawed and the members of the party should ALL be put on trial, and we shall call it Nuremberg II, just as we had put Nazi war criminals on trial at Nuremberg after World War II.

And, the ones who are found guilty should be executed by firing squad!

No blindfold, and no last cigarette!
Fat Man,

This really is a bit much, don't you think?

I understand where your hatred comes from.

Ask yourself, however: which do you ultimately hate more, Republicans or the sports-crazed, meat-head culture we all claim to oppose?

This site isn't called GOPsucks.org. It is an anti-sports venue without nationality or political affiliation.
Recovering_fan, what's truly ironic is that the creator of this website -- Ray (the site Admin, who has been extremely busy lately, which is why he hardly posts anymore) -- is a conservative Republican who even supports the Tea Party movement. As I've indicated previously, at this point in my life I don't identify with either party or any political party, for that matter. There are compelling reasons why I'll never become a Republican or a conservative; but Fat Man's attitude towards Republicans is so hateful that I almost feel compelled to defend the Republicans, a position that amazes me.

Fat Man, both of my parents taught me by their example to respect others, including those who were different from me -- a conviction that has been reinforced by my profession as a Christian. I certainly have my share of weaknesses, but becoming a Christian has made me more of a moral person. Respecting others is something you don't do. The focus of your life seems to be hating those who don't conform to what pleases you. Your antipathy towards organized religion amazes me. I'm certainly not saying that all religions are approved by God, but I do recognize that those who have a truly sincere commitment to their faith are more decent and kind than the average person who doesn't share their commitment. You are by far the most hateful member of this forum. My dear wife has been a Republican ever since she started holding political views. (I might add that she is disappointed in the Republican Party for welcoming Southern Democrat segregationists into their ranks, but she's still not liberal.) Do you want to put her on trial? How about Ray? By the way, consider those who permit NAMBLA representatives to participate in Gay Pride parades. Which political party are they members of?

Your anger and hatred will get you nowhere in life, my friend. I understand this elementary fact quite well because I've been there.

For anyone reading this stuff, I just have one question: Is this not flaming?
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Good evening Earl.

What about all those teenagers who were in the STRAIGHT program?

The Republican party supported STRAIGHT throughout the Regan Administration, where children were beaten, humiliated, and sexually abused.

And all the Republicans had high praises for the STRAIGHT program.

It wasn't until 1993 after Clinton became President that the program was shut down.

Yes I HATE! I HATE! I HATE people who abuse children.

And the Republican party supported STRAIGHT during the 1980s where all this abuse was gong on.

How am I suppose to feel?

Remember, when I was 17 years old I spent three weeks in a mental hospital where I was beaten and one night raped by an older man.

The Republicans knew that the abuse was going on at STRAIGHT, and not one did anything about it. Not a one!

You know, Michael Reagan was sexually molested when he was a child, and his ol' man Ronald Reagan did absolutely nothing about it! I kind of have a soft spot in my heart for Micheal Reagan, even though I don't like conservative Republicans, I still have a soft spot in my heart for him, because he was sexually abused as a child.

And Ronald Reagan, an ultra-CONservatard Republican didn't even give a flying fuck what was happening to his own kid!

So, it's not surprising that the Republicans would have high praises for STRAIGHT where teenagers were beaten and raped.

It took the Clinton Administration to shut that fucker down!

Yeah, Clinton is a sex addict who cheated on his wife, which I agree was wrong.

But at least, he's not a baby fucking pedophile.

I'm sorry, but I hate and despise people who hurt children!

When I was reading about STRAIGHT, I thought I was reading something out of a Charles Dickens novel that was written back in the 1840s about the way these kids were being treated, but no, it was happening in late 20th century USA!

And all this happening in a country that put men on the moon! No wait! I take that back! It was Nazi rocket scientists who helped us to get to the moon because we Americans were too fucking stupid to do it ourselves. We went to the moon only because NASA had The Reich Stuff!!!

We only know how to fold paper footballs and how to send a hunk of pigskin over an iron post, so we have to import techno-geeks from overseas to keep our wheels turning so our lights don't go out!

Yeah! I have a lot of hate in me right now!

I don't want to see kids hurt, because . . . . .

. . . because . . . when they grow up . . . they just might end up all emotionally and mentally screwed up in the head and . . .

. . . and become just like me!

OK???
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OK, here's an update.

Parents . . . . . if you're seeking help for your teenage children, and wanting to get them off drugs, or for help with other behavior problems, then don't take then to programs that are supported by the republican party.

STRAIGHT is now defunct anyway but there are many spin-off programs like SAFE which is just another phony program, and it's only a spin-off from STRAIGHT.

Instead, there is The Steve Wilkos Show on TV.
http://www.stevewilkos.com/

Steve Wilkos has helped to get kids off of drugs, he has confronted abusive spouses on his stage, and has confronted pedophiles and has helped the law to put many of them away in prison where they belong.

Setve Wilkos is an ex-Marine, and a retired police officer who still works with the police and he is sympathetic of people who have been the victim of violence and bullying.

Yes, he's a big bad bald-headed loud-mouth on stage, especially when confronting abusive spouses, parents who had abused their children, and pedophiles, but he also has his gentle side with a great sense of humor.

I love Steve Wilkos. He is my hero!

I have been communicating with Steve Wilkos through the E-mails.

So parents, don't send your kids into any programs that are supported by Republicans, because they'll only get beaten and raped, and become suicidal.

Instead, contact Steve Wilkos.

He has helped people at his own expense.

Oh! And unlike right-wing Republican Christard Funny-mentalists who hate science, Steve Wilkos supports science!

He supports DNA testing to determine if someone is the parent of a child or taking DNA samples collected at crime scenes, and he has one of the best lie detector experts working for him. According to his lie detector technician, his results are 98% percent accurate with only a 2% percent margin of error, and that's pretty damn good, and much better than many years ago, thanks to improved technology.

Republicans hate science, because they know the jig is up!

When Sarah Palin was in political office in Alaska, she had purposed that when rape victims are examined, that they pay over a thousand dollars to cover the cost of the Rape Kit use to collect forensic evidence.

And if the victim can not afford to cover the cost of the Rape Kit, then no forensic evidence can be collected against the perpetrator and no charges can be brought.

So, if you were a rapist in Alaska, then you could rape poor women and get away with it, because only rich or middle class women could cover the cost of the Rape Kit.

Also, Sarah Palin once inquired if the head librarian in her home town could be fired, and certain books could be banned and removed from the public library. She never actually attempted this, but only made inquiries if it could be done.

And she hopes to become President someday???

So, she hates science, and she hates books!

The Republicans hate science, because they know that DNA samples collected at a crime scene could prove if the accused is guilty or innocent beyond all reasonable doubt.

Thanks to DNA testing, those who have in the past have been wrongly convicted for crimes they didn't commit have been recently exonerated.

And the Republicans hate that, because they prefer seeing people locked up, not based on whether or not they are actually guilty, but rather based on their own prejudice against the accused.

Another reason why Republicans hate DNA testing and sequencing is because DNA proves that chimps are our ancestors. The DNA sequence comparing humans and chimps amounts to legal proof of it in a court of law!

SORRY! BUT EVOLUTION IS A FACT!

No, the Republicans would love to bring back the witch-trial type of justice.

Also, here in the State of Texas, Republican Conservatards want to opt out of Medicaid/Medicare, and if they succeed, then I'll probably be dead in a couple of years if I can't get my diabetes medications anymore.

THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO KILL PEOPLE LIKE ME!

Because I know too much!
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Earl wrote:
Fat Man wrote:The Republican Party is America's Nazi Party!...I believe the Republican Party should be outlawed and the members of the party should ALL be put on trial, and we shall call it Nuremberg II, just as we had put Nazi war criminals on trial at Nuremberg after World War II....And, the ones who are found guilty should be executed by firing squad!...No blindfold, and no last cigarette!
Fat Man, ...
Your anger and hatred will get you nowhere in life, my friend. I understand this elementary fact quite well because I've been there.
For anyone reading this stuff, I just have one question: Is this not flaming?
Dunno.

I think his remarks are going to damage site membership and participation. I don't consider it flaming, because I think that flaming usually has to be directed at a particular named person or persons. As far as I'm aware, it isn't "flaming" if you call out a whole giant group like "Republicans." (In that case, I would call it "trolling.")

However, I believe these comments in another thread towards a first-generation American college student do constitute flaming:
Fat Man wrote:There was a little sign posted that says that the restroom is inspected every 30 minutes and if you see anything wrong to be sure to let the manager know and it will be taken care of immeasurably....NOW THAT'S THE WAY TO RUN A BUSINESS!...A manager who is willing to listen to customer complaints, and does something about it and you don't have to complain three times before something gets done.

Unlike Jerry's burger flippin' daddy with a third grade education who would have tried to toss me out on my ear after having to complain more than once because after ignoring me like a moron and having to cuss him out like a pirate because that's the only language morons understand!

Ya got that Jerry Jimbo ?!?
http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... 463#p20463


These comments are blatant, unprovoked flaming. Also, anyone with a real position in the Democratic Party who made such abusive remarks about the working class would, I have no doubt, face immediate expulsion from the Party. Finally, the insinuation that Jerry McGuire from our forums and "Jimbo" from the Guestbook are the same person is defamatory to Jerry.

Fat Man's rants should embarrass any Democrat reading them.

And don't apologise to me, Fat Man (except possibly for disgracing my political party). If you should apologise to anyone, it's to Jerry and his father.
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recovering_fan wrote:
Earl wrote:
Fat Man wrote:The Republican Party is America's Nazi Party!...I believe the Republican Party should be outlawed and the members of the party should ALL be put on trial, and we shall call it Nuremberg II, just as we had put Nazi war criminals on trial at Nuremberg after World War II....And, the ones who are found guilty should be executed by firing squad!...No blindfold, and no last cigarette!
Fat Man, ...
Your anger and hatred will get you nowhere in life, my friend. I understand this elementary fact quite well because I've been there.
For anyone reading this stuff, I just have one question: Is this not flaming?
Dunno.

I think his remarks are going to damage site membership and participation. I don't consider it flaming, because I think that flaming usually has to be directed at a particular named person or persons. As far as I'm aware, it isn't "flaming" if you call out a whole giant group like "Republicans." (In that case, I would call it "trolling.")

However, I believe these comments in another thread towards a first-generation American college student do constitute flaming:
Fat Man wrote:There was a little sign posted that says that the restroom is inspected every 30 minutes and if you see anything wrong to be sure to let the manager know and it will be taken care of immeasurably....NOW THAT'S THE WAY TO RUN A BUSINESS!...A manager who is willing to listen to customer complaints, and does something about it and you don't have to complain three times before something gets done.

Unlike Jerry's burger flippin' daddy with a third grade education who would have tried to toss me out on my ear after having to complain more than once because after ignoring me like a moron and having to cuss him out like a pirate because that's the only language morons understand!

Ya got that Jerry Jimbo ?!?
http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... 463#p20463


These comments are blatant, unprovoked flaming. Also, anyone with a real position in the Democratic Party who made such abusive remarks about the working class would, I have no doubt, face immediate expulsion from the Party. Finally, the insinuation that Jerry McGuire from our forums and "Jimbo" from the Guestbook are the same person is defamatory to Jerry.

Fat Man's rants should embarrass any Democrat reading them.

And don't apologise to me, Fat Man (except possibly for disgracing my political party). If you should apologise to anyone, it's to Jerry and his father.
Excuse me, but in another topic titled El Paso Texas Dangerous City For The Physically Handicapped
http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... f=7&t=4736

When I mentiond getting a lousy little compensation check for $250 dollars in chump change after some moron at Home Depot slashed my lower right leg with a blade causing me to bleed like a butcher all over their floor, Jerry The Sports Fairy said I was just trying to get on the gravy train.

But he never complained about some drooling moron getting millions of dollars every year just for kicking a football and getting a free Hummer after he has raped somebody's daughter! OH NO! He would never complain about that! But when I get a little bit of chump change, he says that I'm just trying to get on the gravy train!

Yeah! Go ahead, beat me, rape me, slash me with blades! That's OK! You'll get away with it.

As for me my putting down the working class . . . . .

There have been many times on these forums, when I said that I have far more respect for a janitor or a man who drives a garbage truck than I have for some multi-millionaire monkey-boy getting rich chasing a ball.

Hey, my own parents were working class people, they were factory workers, and they paid property taxes and SCHOOL TAXES on our home when we lived up in Minnesota, yet I was denied a decent education.

My mother taught me how to read and write before I even started school, because she had hoped that it would be to my advantage to have advance reading skills when I was in school.

Although we were a poor family, I thought we were rich because we had a house full of books, and my mother encouraged me to read.

OK, so I don't look down on working class people because I came from a family of factory workers.

No, I only look down on people who won't do anything to improve themselves, like reading to increasing their knowledge.

There's no excuse for ignorance. If you can't afford to buy books, then you can check out books for free from a public library.

When I was a kid I liked to sit in the public libraries during the long hot summer afternoons reading books instead of sweating like an animal out in the hot sun chasing a ball.

So, don't call me an embarrassment to Democrats because I believe that poor people should be able to get a decent education so they can rise up out of poverty, and not have to flip burgers for the rest of their lives.

That's what I wanted to do with my life.

That's why I wanted to study science in school, so that I would not have to bust my hump working in a factory for the rest of my life, and my parents had high hopes for me that I would have a better future than they had.

But NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Instead, I get suspended from school because I was lousy at PE, and in high school, instead of learning science in the class room we watched stupid cartoons because my teacher was too busy coaching a football team instead of teaching science.

And when Jerry The Sports Fairy said that his burger flipping daddy would have thrown me out of the restaurant after complaining about a dirty mens room, I said that the first two times when I complained I was polite, but that it was only after the third time when they had done nothing about it, that was when I cussed and swore at them, so I said that his burger-flipping dad would have had no right to throw me out, that his job was to just shut the fuck up and clean up the mens room!

That's because I was a paying customer, and I believe in getting what I pay for!

Just like I should have been able to get a decent education in school, because my parents school taxes on our property paid for it!

Don't take my money, and then not give the goods and services that I had paid for. When I eat in a restaurant, I paid not only for the food, but also having a clean mens room. I paid for it! I paid for it! I paid for it!

So, I don't have to be polite to liars, thieves, and rapists!

And I don't have to talk nice to Texas Republicans who want to kill me by eventually taking away my Medicaid/Medicare!

I have been lied to, beaten, robbed, and raped.

So I have a right to turn up my flame thrower full blast!

Please go back and re-read some of my forum posts.

PLEASE! I'm begging people here to understand my anger and why I hate!
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I don't feel that I have anything to add to any posts made by Earl or Recovering Fan in this thread, but I feel that I should address Fat Man's Steve Wilkos show comment, even though I probably shouldn't as I'm already up a bit late as I must wake up early to work out tomorrow and I still have some homework left to do, but I feel like I should add that I don't think Steve Wilkos is a good example to cite as a good person to turn to if you want your own problems or the problems of someone else solved, or as an example in the pro-science argument, in fact, I don't think he'd be a good example for anything other than an opportunist who exposes the problems of people who can be easily exploited, and pretending to help them (wow, that really was a run on sentence, but I'm quite tired right now so I can't really be expected to write with perfect grammar). He's just like Jerry Springer, Maury Povich, or any other people who have television shows offering supposed aid to people with problems, it's just a method to exploit people and make them look like fools. I don't think there's much opposition to DNA testing, so it's not as if Steve Wilkos is a great pro-science advocate, he only has DNA testing in his show so he can show the whole world the marital issues of normal people. I hope you won't take this next part of my post personally Fat Man, I don't mean any offence, I'm just trying to relate this argument to you to perhaps make my point clearer. Steve Wilkos might say that he wants you on his show to discuss all of your life problems, your experiences of a bad childhood due to bad school staff and students, along with bad experiences later on in your life, and he might say sympathetic things about your weight, but, in reality, he would never have this discussion in private, but only on television, where the only people who watch are only watching because they think the problems of others are funny. They'd laugh about you getting head smashed into a wall, they'd laugh at the fact that a problem with your knee that wasn't your fault caused many problems in your life, they'd laugh because they think your weight is funny (even though I'm sure the average viewer of shows like his aren't in great shape themselves) and the whole purpose of the show is simply pathetic, it's to exploit people's problems so others can laugh behind the safety of their television set.
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I know that the Steve Wilkos Show is a lot of showmanship, I know that, and people who come to be on his show, they all know that all the viewers are going to learn about their lives.

But from what I have seen, the people in the audience are sympathetic toward the victims and they boooooo at the perpetrators of abuse and violence.

Also, when the victim make the right choice, which door to leave, the door back to their old lives and situation, the the door to a new and better live where they can get the help they need, the people in the audience cheer when you make the right choice.

Also, I love the way the perpetrators of abuse and violence get publicly dragged through the mud on his show. I do find that part amusing because it's precisely what they deserve. An abusive spouse, abusive parents who sexually molest their children, and pedophiles, they deserve to be humiliated on his stage. They deserve to be called morons and idiots, and scum, because that is exactly what they are! I love it when the perpetrators and the liars get publicly humiliated and dragged through the mud on his stage!

Now, when Steve reads the mail he gets from the viewers, the morons who put down his show or his methods, they are the ones laughing behind your back, while the mail he reads form sympathetic viewers are not the kind of people who would laugh behind my back.

And the fact is, Steve Wilkos has helped people get back to school, or get a decent job, or move out of an old neighborhood and move into a better place/

So, Steve has helped people get a new start in life, some sometime he has a show, a follow-up some months later showing how their lives have improved.

Steve has saved many lives, but he can only help people who make the right choices. There is a limit to what he can do, because he's only human.

But getting help from Steve Wilkos or somebody like him, is far better than sending your kids into a program like STRAIGHT (now defunct) or SAVE, which is merely a spin-off of STRAIGHT which are supported by the Republicans, because if you send your kids to any kind of camp, or reformatory or any institution supported or sponsored by the Republican Party, then you kids are going to get beaten, humiliated, and raped!

Sorry, but here lately, I haven't seen any better alternatives to something like Steve Wilkos.

At least, he has helped people, and often at his own expense.
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Fat Man wrote:PLEASE! I'm begging people here to understand my anger and why I hate!
Fat Man, I do understand, and thank you for not attacking me in your last post, in which I was rather cold towards you. :|

Perhaps, though, you can remember how to love as well. We have a good a thing going for us in site. It is a refuge for sports-haters and has the potential to change the way Americans look at the way they spend their leisure time. I believe a big-tent* approach is the best way to continue growing this magnificent site, which has the potential to make such an impact on the world. :) :idea: :?:


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Oh drat. Those last three emoticons didn't line up right. It was supposed to read: :) :idea: :?:

Oh well...
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recovering_fan wrote:
Fat Man wrote:PLEASE! I'm begging people here to understand my anger and why I hate!
Fat Man, I do understand, and thank you for not attacking me in your last post, in which I was rather cold towards you. :|

Perhaps, though, you can remember how to love as well. We have a good a thing going for us in site. It is a refuge for sports-haters and has the potential to change the way Americans look at the way they spend their leisure time. I believe a big-tent* approach is the best way to continue growing this magnificent site, which has the potential to make such an impact on the world. :) :idea: :?:


*--To those of you in the Commonwealth, "big-tent" means politically inclusive.
That's OK.

No, I wouldn't attack you merely for disagreeing with me on a few points.

Yes, I admit I do go overboard at times.

In the meantime, I have posted a new topic How Sports Destroyed My Family Life!!!
http://www.sportssuck.org/phpbb2/viewto ... f=1&t=4773

It's in the "Sports Suck!" section at the top of the index page.

Tonight, I felt the need to come clean about something that I had been keeping to myself for far too long.

My own brother and sister had turned against me, while my mother continued to support and protect me.

Please everybody, please do check it out.

Then you all understand why I've gone nutso in the head!
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Hi guys. I'm on the road, but I managed to get to a terminal. :)
Fat Man wrote: My own brother and sister had turned against me, while my mother continued to support and protect me.

Please everybody, please do check it out.

Then you all understand why I've gone nutso in the head!
I can't say much right now. I will have to wait until later to read the post you've mentioned. But you should know that I too have dealt with a lack unconditional love from certain members of my family. I will read your whole post when I return. I only have 20 minutes left on this terminal. :|

FWIW, you seem utterly enraged at times, rather than what I would call "nuts." :)

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PS--When I said "remember how to love" in a previous post, I did not mean "love" in the usual sense. I really meant something more along the lines of "hope" or "believe"--as in "believe in the destiny of the website" or "hope for its success" or something like that. Sorry if the wording was a tad vague or pretentious.
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Earl wrote:Fat Man, ...
Your anger and hatred will get you nowhere in life, my friend. I understand this elementary fact quite well because I've been there.
For anyone reading this stuff, I just have one question: Is this not flaming?
... I think his remarks are going to damage site membership and participation.
You're absolutely correct, recovering_fan. This website is now less a place for people who don't like sports to express their own views, but has become a place for Fat Man to vent his spleen against every group of people he hates having nothing to do with sports.

My older daughter is a dedicated, hardworking high-school math teacher who is now in her second year of teaching. My wife (the mother of both of my daughters) recently informed me of a conversation that she had with our daughter, who had been interested in the website where her daddy was serving as a moderator. But after visiting this website's forum, she told my wife that she'll never return to this website. She specifically said that Fat Man was the reason why because his comments on education were full of hatred and ignorance. She felt personally insulted by the comments he made about teachers.
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