More Censorship - The Republican language police

[Fat Man]

OK, I have no doubt that some people are going to be offended by this.

But this happens to be a NEWS article from my Salon Newsletters that I subscribe to in my E-mail.

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the ... index.html

As we all know, there are many factors concerning why our present economic situation in the USA has been faltering, and I personally believe that "Deregulation" and what's been happening on "Wall Street" are probably the two top reasons for our faltering economy among many other factors.

Ah! But some of our elected officials in the Republican Party would like to ban some words from any discussion concerning the economy.

So, the words "Deregulation" and "Wall Street" are to be banned from any further discussion.

Yeah! That's right! They want to ban words now!

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2010 18:59 ET
The Republican language police
GOP members of a panel investigating the financial crisis vote to ban the words "Wall Street" and "deregulation"
By Andrew Leonard


Peter Wallison, a Republican appointee to
the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission

In May 2009, President Obama signed into the law the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act, which created the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC). The FCIC's mandate was to "examine the causes, domestic and global, of the current financial and economic crisis in the United States." Many hoped the FCIC would end up serving a role analogous to the famous Pecora Commission that investigated the causes of the Great Depression and laid the groundwork for numerous reforms, including the creation of the Securities and Exchange Commission. At the time, Robert Kuttner wrote in the Huffington Post that the new investigative body "could be one of those rare, historic commissions that changes the course of history -- or it could be window-dressing."

Today, it's looking a lot like the FCIC will be remembered for decades to come -- but only as an example of how the partisan divide is utterly crippling any attempt by the U.S. government to rationally confront our economic challenges. The New York Times reported on Wednesday that the four Republican appointees to the ten-person panel had decided to release their own report on what caused the crisis, eschewing any accusations of Wall Street recklessness and putting all the blame for the financial crisis squarely on the government's efforts to increase home ownership through the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act and the subsidization of low interest mortgages through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. At the Huffington Post, Shahien Nasripour takes the story one step further, reporting that last week, the four Republican commissioners voted to ban the words "shadow banking," "Wall Street," "interconnected" and "deregulation" from the entire panel's final report.

The fact that the Republican appointees want to pin all the responsibility for the crisis on government actions will come as no surprise to anyone who watched any of the Congressional hearings held over the last two years rehashing the events that led up to the economic meltdown. And it is important to concede that they are not entirely wrong. Fannie and Freddie did play a part in the drama. But the involvement of Fannie and Freddie doesn't come anywhere close to explaining the whole story. Any honest appraisal of the causes of the financial crisis has to acknowledge that many different elements came together to create the mess.

And that's why the Republican vote on what language to use in the final report (and dutifully implemented in their own report) should be deeply distressing to anyone who cares about the future of this country. Deregulation of derivatives trading clearly played a role in allowing Wall Street financial institutions to gamble recklessly on complex financial instruments. The rise of the "shadow banking" system -- financial institutions that play an economic role similar to banks but aren't regulated by banks -- is essential to understanding the nature of the modern beast. The incredible interconnectedness of financial markets -- in which the failure of any single major financial institution can set off ripple effects that immediately threaten a daisy-chain of falling dominos -- is not a controversial insight. And "Wall Street" -- to absolve Wall Street of responsibility to the point where the words may not even be uttered is simply breath-taking.

But as a taste of what we're going to get when Republicans take over the House, it's likely all too real. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., the prospective chair of the House Financial Services Committee, wasted no time in pushing the party line.

"The FCIC Republican commissioners plainly stated what most Americans have known all along but that Democrats have failed to acknowledge: that lax lending standards and moral hazard promoted by misguided government policies put our entire financial system at risk. Vice Chairman Thomas and his fellow Republican commissioners should be commended for their important contribution to the debate over how to avoid such financial crises in the future."

The truth could not be more different. By willfully refusing to acknowledge that multiple factors contributed to the financial crisis and that government and the private sector share responsibility for the disaster, we are all but guaranteeing a repeat performance.

* Andrew Leonard is a staff writer at Salon. On Twitter, @koxinga21. More: Andrew Leonard

Hey! I have an idea!

In a class on auto mechanics, let's only discuss the nice shinny paint job applied to the body, the really cool features like the stereo system, the GPS, On Star, etc. etc. But there will be absolutely no discussion on how the engine works or the transmission! Any mention of the car's engine and transmission will be banned from the class room subject of auto mechanics. Even though it's the engine and the transmission that makes the car move, we will not have any further discussion of the engine or the transmission. Therefore, the words "engine" and "Transmission" have been banned from the textbook on auto mechanics. The pretty car is powered by magic and faith in God!!!

OK! Yeah! That make perfect sense! Now I get it!

Now, if you think that my above example sounds rather silly and ridiculous, then you would be absolutely right! But it is indicative of the rout that some ultra-conservative and fanatical religious members within the party have taken.

For example:

Some religious Republican members of the Texas State Board of Education (Indoctrination) wanting to remove Thomas Jefferson from school history textbooks, and inserting their Creationist fairy tales into science textbooks, which I have mentioned so many times in these forums to the point where some of you are sick and tired of it.

So, in the light of this, my above example of censoring any mention of the engine and transmission from a textbook on auto mechanics, and replacing them with magic and faith in God to make the car move is really not so far off the mark, and is not any more ridiculous than removing Thomas Jefferson from history books and inserting Creationism into science books. That is every bit as ridiculous, moronic, and imbecilic as in my above example. There really is no difference.

And so is banning any mention of "deregulation" and "Wall Street" from a discussion on why our economy is faltering so badly in the USA. That is every bit as ridiculous, moronic, and imbecilic as what was given in my example above.

The economy is the Engine, Government is the Transmission, and Wall Street is guilty of sugaring the gas tank, and Deregulation is the sawdust that was put in the transmission to make it sound as though it's running smoothly, when it fact, it's going to burn up!

Oh my! God forbid that we should blame Deregulation and Wall Street for our present economic crises. God forbid!

Hey! I know! I have another great idea!

Let's blame it on the Jews!

Oh! While were at it, let's blame it on scientists and intellectuals, on the blacks, on gays and lesbians, on the physically handicapped and the disabled, on old people, and on the poor!

Hey! Way not?

It worked for Pat Robertson back in 2001 when he blamed 911 on gays and lesbians, and on civil rights, and his reputation is still in tact. He still has his 700 Club on TV and he's still getting rich, blaming all the victims of the world for their suffering while the perpetrators go Scott free!

And, fellow forum members take note:

In another forum topic, it was Imperialists a forum member who once said that the civil rights movement was the cause for so much crime in the USA.

Well, I guess police brutality and the KKK and Neo Nazi Skinheads have nothing to do with crime in the USA. Right??? Right!!!

OK! Now I know better!

No, instead, the blame rest squarely on people who were out marching in the streets protesting against discrimination and for equal rights. God forbid that blacks in the southern states were eventually allowed to eat in restaurants. Eh?

So, to place the blame for our economic mess, the Republican Party is now looking for scape-goats instead of placing the blame squarely where it really belongs, and that is on Deregulation and Wall Street, and also on the huge tax breaks that the previous Bush Administration gave to multimillionaires and billionaires who backed out on their promises to create more new jobs for people while out-scouring American jobs to overseas.

Again, forum members take note:

In yet another forum topic, Imperialist seems to blame the average citizen for our economic mess, you know, instant gratification and all that.

Well, excuse me! When I want to buy groceries I need food in my house today! Not 10 years from now! But today! People taking care of their immediate needs is not instant gratification. It's called keeping your ass alive!

Oh, but it's the average citizen who's responsible for our economic mess, and not the big greedy corporations who pollute our air and water and misuse our money. No, we can't blame it on Wall Street or on Deregulation.

I don't even own a credit card. I have a debit card, so there is only so much I can spend in any given month, and when I check my banking account on line, I know how much I have left so that I don't go over the limit and get overdrawn.

Earlier this year, back in February or March my bank account got overdrawn. This was back when our forums was raided by the zoo-tramps from 4chan and when my E-mail address was posted over at Encyclopedia Dramatica, some sports scum subscribed me to Sports Illustrated Magazine and I got hit with a bill for $98 dollars for a piece of shit pulp ragazine that I did not order.

So, not only Deregulation and Wall Street, but sports is also to blame for our economic mess. I know it almost ruined me financially earlier this year when I got charged for a sports magazine that I didn't even order. Even if we don't participate in sports or watch sports, we still have to pay for sports.

Oh, but we must not blame the big corporations or blame Wall Street or Deregulation, because the words "Deregulation" and "Wall Street" have been banned from any further discussion of the economy.

Hey! That gives me another great idea!

How about if we ban all words from the dictionary having more than one syllable so that we can only talk baby-talk! Well, we have to keep some two-syllable words like football, women, money, and Hummer, but that's it.

Gee! I'm on a roll tonight! Three great ideas in one forum posting! Wow! Can't beat that! Eh?

DUH! I IS A JEENEEUS!!! ME REEL SMART! DUH! HUH! HUH! HUH!

Yeah! That's the ticket!

Better still, let's ban ALL words and go back to grunting like cavemen.

Hey! Why not!

Since the Republican party has presently adopted an anti-science attitude why not go all the way!

Yeah, the Republicans refuse to listen to scientists warnings about global warming and climate change. The Republicans will hear nothing of if.

Hey! That's sort of like the Catholic Church officials of The Holy Office and the Inquisition back in the 1600s who refused to look through Galileo's telescope, and then they eventually had Galileo put under house arrest for the remainder of his life.

Maybe the Republican Party might even want to have all the scientists who talk about climate change arrested and locked up.

Could that possibly be next on the Republican agenda? Hmmmmmmmmmmm???

OK! Maybe I'm being paranoid and worried over nothing. But I smell a rat in the wood-works!

If the Republicans are wanting to ban the words "Deregulation" and "Wall Street", which are actually the two biggest reasons for our present economic crises, from any further discussion, then to me, that is a sure sign that they are looking for other scape-goats.

Remember, Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party looked for scape-goats on which to blame their economic situation back in the 1930s. It started with blaming the Jews and exterminating them and then it went on to exterminating people who were physically disabled and so many other people who were not to blame.

And the Republicans here in my home state of Texas, they want the state to opt out of Medicare and Medicaid, which means that I might die in a couple of years because I depend on Medicare and Medicaid. So, the Texas Republicans are marching in lock-step, or rather, goose-step with the old Nazi ideology of scapegoating and exterminating the physically disabled.

And of course, another forum member, Recovering_Fan who is pissed off at me said that he didn't care. Yeah, he's pissed off because I have been confronting a couple of forum members and I have been posting negative articles exposing all the dirt on the Republican Party, and I cracked a stupid harmless joke about Wibberley playing on the linoleum, so, I guess I deserve to die for that! Uh huh! Way to go Recovering_Fan!!!

OK, I'm down on Imperialist because the Imperialist supports states rights over individual rights and I'm down on Jerry McGuire because when I had mentioned in another topic about my getting a lousy little compensation check for a mere $250 dollars in chump change after some moron in a hardware store slashed my right leg with a sharp blade, Jerry McGuire said that I was just trying to ride the gravy train. Yeah, like I'm not entitled to any compensation for my injuries, while drooling morons with single digit IQs get paid millions of dollars for chasing footballs and free Hummers after raping our women.

OK, sorry if anybody is offended by my forum topics about the Republican Party! Actually, I'm not sorry, because the truth must come out. I fear that our Republican Party is becoming more and more like the Nazi Party, because of their recent anti-science position, censorship of words from any discussion, and their denial of the actual cause of our economic situation which will eventually lead to scapegoating.

History has a way of repeating itself.

Scapegoating is so much easier than investigating and looking for the actual cause. Oh no! Investigating and searching for the real cause, that sounds much too logical and scientific! It's much easier to rely on faith and scapegoating, or magical thinking.

And banning certain words from any discussion??? Oh shades of Orwell's 1984!!!

Well, I for one refuse to be intimidated from using words and placing the blame where it really belongs.

And the blame lies squarely on the previous Bush Administration's tax breaks for billionaires, on the banks and big corporations, and on DEREGULATION and WALL STREET!!!

There! I just said what too many people are too fucking chicken-shit to say.

And I'm gonna say it over and over again and again!

The blame for our present economic mess lies squarely on . . . . . . .

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There! I just said the two words that are banned by the Republicans from any further discussion on our present economic situation.

So now, Retardicans! What are ya gonna do about it?

Ya gonna have the Language Police come and kick my door in and haul me off to be executed in the streets somewhere?

COME AND GET ME MUTHA-FUCKAS!!!

[Earl]

You were still wrong to attack Jerry McGuire's father. This is low class. You know nothing about his father. I've learned a little more about him from an e-mail that Jerry sent to me. His father is actually a hard working immigrant to this country. If you attacked my father online, those would be fighting words.

You're free to post all the anti-Republican comments you want. I don't care if any member here bashes the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. But when you paint the GOP as the pedophile party, you've crossed over into the absurd. Do you think that whenever officers of the law arrest someone for committing a crime that they ask for the accused's political affiliation? And as I've said before, the ACLU members who support NAMBLA are Democrats, aren't they? What about the Democrats who don't object to NAMBLA participation in Gay Pride parades? This is not a defense of the GOP (beats typing "Republican Party" all the time). I'm simply saying that you need to be careful about the sort of arguments you make.

I think you need to remember that this website is not your website (and it's not my website, either); it's our website. Since you feel free to criticize other members of this forum, why should you object if another member feels free to criticize you? What if we had a Republican member who felt just as strongly as you and started railing against the Democrats? Would you respect his freedom of speech? Would you welcome debate?

You need to learn to be a bit more gracious. Remember when I posted about Patricia Cayo Sexton (the sociology professor who is obsessed with "feminized males") and her mindless stereotyping of boys and men? For those of you readers who haven't heard of her (not exactly well-known), she denounces nonathletic boys and men as "effeminate" -- the tired, old sort of negative stereotyping that decent people deplore. I also mentioned her outrageous (laughable, really) view that the assassins of President John F. Kennedy and Senator Robert Kennedy were "feminized males" who were driven by a jealous rage over the Kennedy brother's masculinity (never mind the fact that they, the assassins, were political extremists). Polite24 actually agreed with us. I don't remember his exact words, but he said that her views were stupid and wrong. Instead of responding graciously and telling Polite24 that you appreciated his willingness to see how wrong she was, you reacted self-righteously in an extremely sarcastic way that was inappropriate. I regret to this day that I said nothing about your rudeness. When you aren't gracious, you're likely to drive people away from you. And if you don't have the attitude of wanting to learn from your mistakes so that you'll be a better person, then your personal growth will be limited.

[recovering_fan]

[1] In another forum topic, it was Imperialists a forum member who once said that the civil rights movement was the cause for so much crime in the USA....

[2] And of course, another forum member, Recovering_Fan who is pissed off at me said that he didn't care. Yeah, he's pissed off because I have been confronting a couple of forum members and I have been posting negative articles exposing all the dirt on the Republican Party, and I cracked a stupid harmless joke about Wibberley playing on the linoleum, so, I guess I deserve to die for that! Uh huh! Way to go Recovering_Fan!!!

When you attack innocent people like Imperialist and myself, no one will listen to you whenever you DO actually have a point.

So now, Retardicans! What are ya gonna do about it?

Ya gonna have the Language Police come and kick my door in and haul me off to be executed in the streets somewhere?

COME AND GET ME MUTHA-FUCKAS!!!

They are NOT going to come get you. In fact, the misanthropic, plutocratic faction within the GOP probably ENJOYS listening to you rant! Why? Because then the GOP can say that EVERYONE who disagrees with them is as nuts as you are. Get a clue. It's really Democrats like me who can't stand you, because you are sabotaging our ability to affect policy decisions. You actually undermine our ability to protect Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Please stop ruining things for Democrats.

--RF

PS: Tell me, Fat Man, because I'm curious: were you really sent here by Republicans to make us Democrats look bad?

[recovering_fan]

I am mostly against censorship, Fat Man, but you really need to learn what a boon a little self-censorship would be to you.

[Fat Man]

Good morning Earl

In my topic about the dirty mens room at the McDonalds restaurant, the first time I complained about the mens room I was polite in my request that hey clean it up. The second time, I was still polite in my request. I was not until the third time that I got angry and cussed them out.

Then of course, Jerry McGuire said that if his father had been working there, that he would have had me thrown out.

That's when I got pissed off, because his ol' man would not have a right to throw me out. That is because, as a paying customer, I have a right to expect, and DEMAND a clean mens room, because that is what I paid for.

So, after I left the McDonalds, I called their main office and I complained, and about a few weeks later, the McDonalds was closed down.

I also had a Burger King closed down for the same reason a few years later. They refused to keep the mens room clean and fix their overflowing toilets.

So, if Jerry McGuire's father had tried to have me thrown out, well, I would just complain to the main office about the restaurant and the dirty mens room, and have it shut down, and his ol' man would be out of a job.

Because, I believe that if I am a paying customer, then I'm entitled to a clean mens room, because that is what I paid for.

Money talks, bullshit walks!

Therefore, that would make Jerry McGuire's father a thief because I was not getting what I had paid for. I was getting ripped off.

So, if I'm confronting someone, and his parents are criminals or he comes from a family of criminals, then I don't have to show respect for his family when addressing him.

My parents were factory workers, and they paid property taxes and school taxes, but I was denied a decent education.

The years of getting bullied around eventually lead to my having a mental breakdown at the age of 17 and spending a few weeks in a psych ward, and getting beaten and raped by an older man.

Well, I will never recover my loses, and get back what my parents tax dollars had paid for but never received.

So, I'll settle for having a clean mens room to go to when eating at a restaurant!

I don't want to get beaten down again and maybe this time forced to lick up piss and shit off the floor!

Also Jerry McGuire implied that I was not entitled to a compensation check for $250 dollars after some idiot slashed my leg with a sharp blade, and that I was only trying to get on the gravy train.

But football players get millions of dollars just for chasing a ball and a free Hummer, and they can rape our women and get away with it.

==============================

In response to recovering_fan:

When I had mentioned that in Texas, our Republican officials wanted for our state to opt out of Medicare and Medicaid, and that it would put my life in danger, you implied that you don't care if I live or die.

I can't believe that you would wish death on me, just because I'm having a fight with a couple of forum member and I made a silly stupid joke about Wibberely playing on the linoleum.

So, you're not exactly innocent, and Imperialist in not exactly innocent either because he's a states rights advocate and against civil rights and the right to privacy. He made and enemy of me when he said the the state has a right to protect itself by spying on the citizens. Only pedo-perves want to spy on children undressing in their own bedrooms!

I have a right to be angry with the Republican Party and if anyone is a nut case, it's the Republicans, so I'm going to call them on their bullshit!

[Earl]

Thanks for not getting mad at me.

There is a problem with your hypothetical about Jerry McGuire's father; and that is, he was not participating in the exchange between you and Jerry (who presumed to know what his father would say in a particular situation). Perhaps there was some misunderstanding between you and Jerry, who may have been reacting against your cussing loudly in public around other people. That was what I initially objected to. I could see raising your voice when nothing could be done; but to cuss like a sailor in an establishment often frequently by children, that's not appropriate behavior. Aside from the fact of whether children were present, if I were eating somewhere and some guy started shouting obscenities out loud for all to hear, I would be highly annoyed. And perhaps if Jerry's father had been the manager at that McDonald's, he would have been appalled that the bathroom hadn't been cleaned up. But aside from all this, you just don't go around insulting the fathers of strangers.

P.S. Well, Fat Man and recovering_fan, we do have one stance in common: Mandatory "sports only" P.E. (as opposed to genuine fitness classes for nonathletes) STINKS!

[recovering_fan]

In response to recovering_fan:

When I had mentioned that in Texas, our Republican officials wanted for our state to opt out of Medicare and Medicaid, and that it would put my life in danger, you implied that you don't care if I live or die.

Do these sound like the words of someone who doesn't care whether you live or die?
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I can't believe that you would wish death on me...

Don't believe it then, pal, because at NO point have I ever even insinuated that I wished ... what you just now accused me of wishing. Even if I had explicitly said I didn't care whether you lived or died that would not have been the same as wishing death on you. And it's not that I wouldn't "care" if you died, either. I made that rhetorical remark to drive home the point that I do have some perspective on what's most important to me in my own life. You are not what is most important to me in my life. I shouldn't have to give up my time to spend 3 hours reading your 50 page rants every day.

So, you're not exactly innocent...

When it comes to wanting to help you fix your problems, for your own sake and for the good of everyone here, I am guilty as hell.

You are capable of fixing your problems. You should attempt to do so. Then you will be better prepared to make rational, cogent arguments for the Democratic side. Only then will you be ready to successfully defend yourself in argument against the people who you feel are threatening you.

[recovering_fan]

Well, Fat Man and recovering_fan, we do have one stance in common: Mandatory "sports only" P.E. (as opposed to genuine fitness classes for nonathletes) STINKS!

This is true.

[Earl]

And I speak not as a sedentary guy, but as a member of a health club working on a bodybuilding program! Finally (at my age) I'm becoming physically fit and building up my physique, NO THANKS TO THE SPORTS CULTURE (WHICH ONLY DISCOURAGED ME AND OFFERED ME NO OTHER SOLUTION THAN COMPETITIVE TEAM SPORTS)!

[i_like_1981]

You were still wrong to attack Jerry McGuire's father. This is low class. You know nothing about his father. I've learned a little more about him from an e-mail that Jerry sent to me. His father is actually a hard working immigrant to this country. If you attacked my father online, those would be fighting words.

So you've heard from Jerry McGuire since he left the forums? Or was this shortly before he left? Either way, I wouldn't attack someone that I didn't know online, unless of course that person was like Samdaman and making insulting remarks about all those who are close to me in life. Nonetheless, there is a lot of difference between Jerry McGuire and Samdaman. Needs not be said.

In response to the topic, I doubt the Republicans actually want to ban the term "Wall Street". That place does exert a lot of financial influence over the world - they're going to have a very hard time trying to get people to ignore its existence or name completely. Nonetheless, every government these days seems to have financial issues it wants to hide. But the media has a way of finding these things out.

Best regards,
i_like_1981

[Fat Man]

Thanks for not getting mad at me.

There is a problem with your hypothetical about Jerry McGuire's father; and that is, he was not participating in the exchange between you and Jerry (who presumed to know what his father would say in a particular situation). Perhaps there was some misunderstanding between you and Jerry, who may have been reacting against your cussing loudly in public around other people. That was what I initially objected to. I could see raising your voice when nothing could be done; but to cuss like a sailor in an establishment often frequently by children, that's not appropriate behavior, etc. etc. etc.

Well, here in El Paso, ya gotta learn to speak the lingo!

In this redneck town, making a polite request doesn't work.

Polite conversation usually consists of mulit-syllibal words and is too sophisticated for them to understand because most of them don't understand words with more then 2 syllables.

In fact, most of these redneck local yokels only understand 1 syllable words in combination with hog grunts!

So, to get anything done around here, you have to speak to them in a language they'll understand, and obscenities is the only thing they understand as long as you keep it down to 1 syllable words.

In response to the topic, I doubt the Republicans actually want to ban the term "Wall Street". That place does exert a lot of financial influence over the world - they're going to have a very hard time trying to get people to ignore its existence or name completely. Nonetheless, every government these days seems to have financial issues it wants to hide. But the media has a way of finding these things out.

Well, the words "Deregulation" and "Wall Street" have been stricken from the Republican version of the FCIC Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission report by the four Republican appointees to the ten-person panel.

No, you're right. They really can't ban the average person from talking about Wall Street and Deregulation while sitting around the table having lunch in a restaurant. No, there is no Republican Language Police patrolling the streets (at least I hope not) so I was merely being sarcastic in my forum topic, just like my silly example of striking any mention of the engine and transmission form a classroom textbook on auto mechanics.

But the words "Deregulation and "Wall Street" were stricken from the Republican Version of the financial report.

But you can be sure that the 6 Democratic members did keep those two words in their version of the report.

So, in that, the Republicans were out-numbered.

Unfortunately though, generally speaking, intelligent people in the USA are out-numbered by the morons. This is mostly true in the state of Texas, and especially true here in El Paso.

These local yokels are so stupid they get lost in their own socks and can't find their way back out!

Well, actually, a lot of these rednecks around here, you can see them walking the streets having no problem finding their way out of their pants since they go around with their pants hanging half-way down on their butts!!!

"You know you're a redneck when you see a poster that says 'SAY NO TO CRACK!' and it reminds you to pull your pants back up!"

Jeff Foxworthy

[i_like_1981]

Well, the words "Deregulation" and "Wall Street" have been stricken from the Republican version of the FCIC Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission report by the four Republican appointees to the ten-person panel.

Well, if they can't face up to this issue and can't even stand references being made to these things, then these problems are only going to get worse. Governments should at least attempt to be honest and not cover up things, but many of them do, and this is why things like Wikileaks end up causing such a stir. A government can't hide its failings or ignorance forever, because these things always have a way of getting out or getting worse when the people who are meant to be taking care of it are just turning a blind eye to it.

Best regards,
i_like_1981

[Lewis]

Shouldn't the banks have some regulation? Afterall they were the ones who caused this crash.

[recovering_fan]

Shouldn't the banks have some regulation? Afterall they were the ones who caused this crash.

Yes, I agree.

They should be regulated. Speculation by financial institutions caused the Great Crash of 1929, and as a result America heavily regulated its banks for most of the post-WW2 era. Then came the 80s and "deregulation." Free from all that chafing regulation, people began speculating again, this time on technology start-ups and real-estate, and it caused the current down-tick in the economy.

That's why the article Fat Man has provided us with is so very alarming. It points out how Republicans are refusing to face up to what caused the crisis. They are banning mention of the very things that caused the financial crisis. They don't want to allow reality to interfere with their laissez-faire fantasies about what's best for the economy. In so far as the actual article was concerned, no one was crying wolf. What the four people the article mentioned are doing is an honest-to-god werewolf; it should bother everyone.

--RF

[Fat Man]

Shouldn't the banks have some regulation? Afterall they were the ones who caused this crash.

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

It was Wall Street, the big corporations, and the banks who are responsible for our present economic crash.

Also, the Bush Administration's tax cuts for for multi-millionaires and billionaires.

And it was deregulation of all the above that got us into this mess!